Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.

Yeah, Republicans complaining it doesn't go far enough is...my head is full of fark.

skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me

skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.

Senator DeMint was only doing his job when he said if the Republicans could stop Obama on healthcare reform, it would be Obama's Waterloo. It would cripple him.

Obama seems to be walking fine for a cripple. I wonder what sad old DeMint is doing now. Besides blaming the darkies.

Boudica's War Tampon: Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.

Senator DeMint was only doing his job when he said if the Republicans could stop Obama on healthcare reform, it would be Obama's Waterloo. It would cripple him.

Obama seems to be walking fine for a cripple. I wonder what sad old DeMint is doing now. Besides blaming the darkies.

I don't remember Waterloo lasting so long.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me

skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

You mean Obama is going to "states' rights" us into a single payer system???

I didn't know Obama was a Rebel.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me

skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

I said earlier that I'd love to see huge collectives set up for negotiating rates - or even better - large self-insurers where policy holders are also the owners of the "company" with any excess reserves distributed as dividends like a whole life insurance policy. The less money you "borrow" from the policy in the form of medical reimbursements, the more equity you accrue for later in life when the doctor's bills, home care bills, etc increase. This would encourage people to be more careful with what they bill their company for while giving people a cheaper alternative to what they currently can get

FishyFred: "biatch" is a word that shouldn't be trivialized

This made me laugh.

Sabyen91: skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

You are correct sir.

skullkrusher: I said earlier that I'd love to see huge collectives set up for negotiating rates - or even better - large self-insurers where policy holders are also the owners of the "company" with any excess reserves distributed as dividends like a whole life insurance policy. The less money you "borrow" from the policy in the form of medical reimbursements, the more equity you accrue for later in life when the doctor's bills, home care bills, etc increase. This would encourage people to be more careful with what they bill their company for while giving people a cheaper alternative to what they currently can get

I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

Sabyen91:

I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.



"Don't knock holistic until you talk to my medicine man."

Bennie Crabtree: Sabyen91: skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

You are correct sir.

It gives me hope. I do believe it is inevitable but I think the people who thought if it got shot down we would get single payer sooner are delusional (see HillaryCare). I think going the state route could get us single payer in most states in 30 years.

/I may be insane.

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

Boudica's War Tampon: Sabyen91:

I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

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"Don't knock holistic until you talk to my medicine man."

That dude made a crude copy of me and then had oral sex with it!

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family

Maybe...anyway, there are certainly more things to do to lower costs. Holy crap, how about the simple act of allowing re-importation of generic drugs???

Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!



Discount double-check, motherfarkers!

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family

Maybe...anyway, there are certainly more things to do to lower costs. Holy crap, how about the simple act of allowing re-importation of generic drugs???

save a good chunk o' change with that

A Dark Evil Omen: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

You sound fat.

fat in your mom's crap hole.

NOBODY FINDS IT SUSPICIOUS THAT ONE OF THE NEWLY APPOINTED SUPREME COURT MEMBERS WHO RULED OVER THIS CASE HELPED CREATE IT!!!!? The timing of this promotion seems to be coincidentally too convenient.

/waiting for tinfoil hat name calling and avoidance of the question...

Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

You sound fat.

fat in your mom's crap hole.

You are way beyond plonk.

Ray_Peranus: NOBODY FINDS IT SUSPICIOUS THAT ONE OF THE NEWLY APPOINTED SUPREME COURT MEMBERS WHO RULED OVER THIS CASE HELPED CREATE IT!!!!? The timing of this promotion seems to be coincidentally too convenient.

/waiting for tinfoil hat name calling and avoidance of the question...

Infowars wants its capitalization back.

Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

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Discount double-check, motherfarkers!

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.

So you admit you're a cocktard, then?

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

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Discount double-check, motherfarkers!


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Oh, motherfarking touche I hate that man.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

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Discount double-check, motherfarkers!


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Oh, motherfarking touche I hate that man.

hehe

"It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.

Apparently progress isn't for everyone.

Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.

Shaddup

Sensei Can You See: sigdiamond2000: Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

I actually agree with you. And the guy's a f*cking moron for not being able to keep it in his pants.

This. Like I said, we expect farking CHILDREN to walk over to the losing team and say "Good game, guys" and shake hands. But politicians ain't got time for that shiat.

I dunno. I'd find it pretty funny if my little nephew tweeted, "We beat u poopieheads!!!!"

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.

On the one hand, I get where you're coming from, since these people really should be above this.

On the other hand, it's another case of 'just because both sides do it doesnt make it equal'. When you consider that 'biatches' is more of a generality that seems more like a swipe at the other side, and John Boehner's 'The adults are back in charge' sounds less like a generality and is more clearly the House Speaker (an elected official, as opposed to this guy whom I've never heard of) is calling the Democrats children.

So I'm not going to take a swipe at you, because I get where you're coming from. But I am going to say that it's not the same.

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?

Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.

CygnusDarius: I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.

This is not a victory any more than cutting off your dick makes it a victory for your old boyfriend because he can never have you again.

Yay, our taxes went up! We win! Tell me again how much of a winner you are with your severed dick in your hand.

YELLOL: CygnusDarius: I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.

This is not a victory any more than cutting off your dick makes it a victory for your old boyfriend because he can never have you again.

Yay, our taxes went up! We win! Tell me again how much of a winner you are with your severed dick in your hand.

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Sabyen91: diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

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And if you get hit by a car you are our responsibility. Talk about an idiot.

Yes, we have established you're an idiot. Your CAR insurance takes care of me, if you are at fault... NOT YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

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That would hilarious if true. One trillion isn't gonna even get this turd rolling let alone pay for it ALL.

But parroting for Dear Leader is always approved.

Is that Romney in front of W?

Mithiwithi: YELLOL: less services

But we're talking about the actual Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, not the Obummercare that exists only in your fevered imagination.

/has a job
//won't be paying a cent more in taxes due to PPACA

/Has a job too but not one that pays my insurance, I do.
//Talk to your HR manager and ask him if your employer is paying any more for insurance lately. I hope they drop your insurance and make you scramble with the unlucky for insurance.. your tune will change pronto.

InfamousG: Is that Romney in front of W?

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Looks like it! If you examine the pixels closely, you can see the outline of the magic underwear.