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2012-06-28 01:53:15 PM
Your tears are delicious, subby.
 
2012-06-28 01:54:45 PM
Sarah Palin?

Automatically president.
 
2012-06-28 01:58:03 PM

MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.


Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.
 
2012-06-28 01:58:17 PM
You know what? I'm not going to hear about graciousness in victory from a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics.
 
2012-06-28 02:00:44 PM
As if the Republicans wouldn't do the same if it had been dismissed.

They'd be on the rooftops mooning passers-by and crowing about how the will of the people had been done.
 
2012-06-28 02:01:53 PM

what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics


As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.
 
2012-06-28 02:02:31 PM
That's a classless comment for someone in his position.
 
2012-06-28 02:03:15 PM

Chariset: As if the Republicans wouldn't do the same if it had been dismissed.


Sadly, you're probably right. I wish both sides could say "Look; we all fought hard for our positions in this, but the verdict is in. Let's work together to make this the best solution possible."

But that's probably asking too much.
 
2012-06-28 02:03:47 PM

Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics


...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?
 
2012-06-28 02:04:11 PM

Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.


I actually agree with you. And the guy's a f*cking moron for not being able to keep it in his pants.
 
2012-06-28 02:07:59 PM

what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?


Oh, don't get me wrong -- I understand it's an honor and that it generates money and all that. But the president is, IMHO, supposed to be above inserting himself into that sort of thing.

IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

To me that was like if the president appealed a referee's call in a basketball game that was against his hometown team.
 
2012-06-28 02:12:39 PM

sigdiamond2000: Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

I actually agree with you. And the guy's a f*cking moron for not being able to keep it in his pants.


This. Like I said, we expect farking CHILDREN to walk over to the losing team and say "Good game, guys" and shake hands. But politicians ain't got time for that shiat.
 
2012-06-28 02:14:56 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


Are you kidding me?

Let the Democrats - and those in need of health care - have some freakin' glory. Do you know what it's like for Democrats lately? Have you seen the news? They're trapped in a country with INSANE people. Pants-on-head-insane. Let them gloat!
 
2012-06-28 02:15:10 PM
As we are already off topic, I am closing this thread.

Wait, I don't have that power, so instead I'll comment on the Olympics thing.

POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.

That was a clear as day indicator that Republicans hate Obama more than they love America.

And that is disgusting. All the people who cheered losing the Olympics were not cheering because they thought "the president should be above inserting himself into that kind of thing*."

They were cheering because THIS president DID get involved, and they want him to fail in EVERYTHING he does. And they will disregard whether it is good for the country completely in their hatred for everything he does.

Pitiful, unAmerican and detestable, each and every person who cheered.



*not saying SenseiCanYouSee was one of them, just using his quote
 
2012-06-28 02:19:46 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: As we are already off topic, I am closing this thread.

Wait, I don't have that power, so instead I'll comment on the Olympics thing.

POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.

...


Excellent comment. Thank you.
 
2012-06-28 02:19:57 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: *not saying SenseiCanYouSee was one of them, just using his quote


Shrug. Appreciate that.

Pointing out something awful the other party did doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibility to call for better behavior in one's own party. The Obama posters with a Hitler mustache are already showing up and it's stupid and embarrassing, so matter what you think of ACA.
 
2012-06-28 02:25:29 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.


i remember that day. it was one of the most obscene, disgusting things i'd ever heard. i read that the staff newsroom at the washington times erupted in cheers when chicago lost its bid. fark republicans. fark them in the ear. they hate america more than a thousand bin ladens.
 
2012-06-28 02:32:03 PM
For god sake, when's the last time anyone in politics was dignified? If someone isn't crying on tv they're telling tar baby jokes to their constituents, shouting at the president during his speeches, or turning down invitations to the White House.

But oooohhhhh...Dems celebrating the constitutionality of health care is a bad thing. Sure. whatever.
 
2012-06-28 02:39:36 PM
While I thought it was hilarious, I also think that's a surprisingly crass thing for someone in his position to write. I'd feel the same way if the main page of whitehouse.gov showed a new splash screen of Obama crotch-chopping with an audio clip playing of him yelling "I MANDATE THAT YOU KISS MY ASS".
 
2012-06-28 02:46:38 PM

Quasar: While I thought it was hilarious, I also think that's a surprisingly crass thing for someone in his position to write. I'd feel the same way if the main page of whitehouse.gov showed a new splash screen of Obama crotch-chopping with an audio clip playing of him yelling "I MANDATE THAT YOU KISS MY ASS".


I don't care if he's God himself, have we reached the point that a twitter feed has the exact same weight as official White House communications?
 
2012-06-28 02:51:51 PM
This is a big farking deal.
 
2012-06-28 03:02:10 PM

Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics


beg? oh yeah you are just so independent and above the fray, why can't everyone be as civilized as you
 
2012-06-28 03:10:24 PM

Quasar: a new splash screen of Obama crotch-chopping with an audio clip playing of him yelling "I MANDATE THAT YOU KISS MY ASS".


If he did that I'd donate SO much money to his campaign
 
2012-06-28 03:17:34 PM
That's not spiking the football, that's shoving up their arse.

/approves
 
2012-06-28 03:18:26 PM
I know Obama is not supposed to take credit for anything. Is this another one of those cases where he should be calling up Dubya and thanking him?
 
2012-06-28 03:19:22 PM

what_now: You know what? I'm not going to hear about graciousness in victory from a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics.


How about when they applauded the US losing its triple A credit rating?
 
2012-06-28 03:22:27 PM

mrshowrules: That's not spiking the football, that's shoving up their arse.

/approves


I came here to say its not spiking the football so much as doing a Lambeau Leap followed by a gatorade bath.
 
2012-06-28 03:45:32 PM

Quasar: While I thought it was hilarious, I also think that's a surprisingly crass thing for someone in his position to write. I'd feel the same way if the main page of whitehouse.gov showed a new splash screen of Obama crotch-chopping with an audio clip playing of him yelling "I MANDATE THAT YOU KISS MY ASS".


a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

I can't say I'd complain if Obama and Biden walked out in the Rose Garden and did exactly this. With the fireworks included.
 
2012-06-28 03:58:08 PM

robsul82: Quasar: While I thought it was hilarious, I also think that's a surprisingly crass thing for someone in his position to write. I'd feel the same way if the main page of whitehouse.gov showed a new splash screen of Obama crotch-chopping with an audio clip playing of him yelling "I MANDATE THAT YOU KISS MY ASS".

[a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 456x352]

I can't say I'd complain if Obama and Biden walked out in the Rose Garden and did exactly this. With the fireworks included.


They'd need to do the HBK/HHH flexing pose, too.
 
2012-06-28 03:59:45 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-28 04:01:37 PM

kronicfeld: That's a classless comment for someone in his position.


Yeah. That sort of sexism won't play well with women voters.
 
2012-06-28 04:02:49 PM
Jordon Wright · Top Commenter · Springfield, Missouri
Laugh it up....until Romney pounces. This isn't a winning issue for the Dems.

Romney, it's your move.


And it is for Romney?

Romney's only viable argument against it was the individual mandate at the national level. That is no longer a viable argument. It passed Constitutional muster. He no longer has the magic exemption that the Massachusetts Constitution permitted it.
 
2012-06-28 04:04:15 PM
F*cl being gracious. I'm sick of it. It hasn't worked.

Democrats and liberals need to get down in the dirt with Republicans and right-wingers and fight things out their way. It's all they understand or respect.
 
2012-06-28 04:04:49 PM

kronicfeld: That's a classless comment for someone in his position.


This is where I come down. I don't mind that someone said this (although I think "biatch" is a word that shouldn't be trivialized). I do kind of mind about THE DIRECTOR OF THE DNC TWEETING IT.
 
2012-06-28 04:06:14 PM
All this shows to me is that everyone is pretty much the same. Republicans did it in the Wisconsin recall thread and now Democrats are doing it in the Obamacare thread. I wish things would be more civil but maybe that is not who we are as a populace. "They do it so we are going to do it too" seems to rule the day.
 
2012-06-28 04:06:32 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?

Oh, don't get me wrong -- I understand it's an honor and that it generates money and all that. But the president is, IMHO, supposed to be above inserting himself into that sort of thing.

IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

To me that was like if the president appealed a referee's call in a basketball game that was against his hometown team.


I am not so sure it generates revenue.
 
2012-06-28 04:07:45 PM

FishyFred: kronicfeld: That's a classless comment for someone in his position.

This is where I come down. I don't mind that someone said this (although I think "biatch" is a word that shouldn't be trivialized). I do kind of mind about THE DIRECTOR OF THE DNC TWEETING IT.


He might not be Director for too much longer. I'm not sure if Obama abides that type immaturity. At minimum he has to come up with a much stronger apology.
 
2012-06-28 04:09:03 PM

Jackson Herring: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

beg? oh yeah you are just so independent and above the fray, why can't everyone be as civilized as you


Both sides are bad, so the Olympics are just a front for the U.N.'s Agenda 21 and those hot young gymnasts are there to sap your precious essence and make you a socialist, so vote bootstrappy.
 
2012-06-28 04:10:58 PM

Diogenes: Jordon Wright · Top Commenter · Springfield, Missouri
Laugh it up....until Romney pounces. This isn't a winning issue for the Dems.

Romney, it's your move.

And it is for Romney?

Romney's only viable argument against it was the individual mandate at the national level. That is no longer a viable argument. It passed Constitutional muster. He no longer has the magic exemption that the Massachusetts Constitution permitted it.


He has a stronger argument now. He can say that he has to be elected to repeal it because it is wrong to the Federal Government to force this on the States even if it is Constitutional.

If it would have been shot down: a) he would still have to defend his public mandate solution at the state level b) would lose credibility as the person to pass true reform c) would really be put on the spot to indicate what he will do

Now he just has to keep on saying repeal and replace. I don't see this hurting him at all but it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to fark it up some way.
 
2012-06-28 04:13:02 PM
After years of hearing about death panels and Socialism and all the other bullshiat the Republicans have been screaming, I don't blame the Democrats for gloating.
 
2012-06-28 04:15:39 PM

born_yesterday: Both sides are bad, so the Olympics are just a front for the U.N.'s Agenda 21 and those hot young gymnasts are there to sap your precious essence and make you a socialist, so vote bootstrappy.


look man, I'm just saying it was not cool for the bower-in-chief to crawl on his hands and knees and beg for the Olympics, and also that liberals should raise the level of their discourse
 
2012-06-28 04:18:31 PM

Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US.


I'm going to go ahead and call CITATION NEEDED.
 
2012-06-28 04:19:11 PM

mrshowrules: Now he just has to keep on saying repeal and replace. I don't see this hurting him at all but it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to fark it up some way.


Maybe not. But it infuriates me that he's allowed to get away with this. He actually gave a solid defense of the mandate during the primary debates.

But why is it good at the state level and not the national? Notice I said "good" and not "permissible." The only explanation Romney's given is that it was permissible at the state level. But that doesn't make it good.

So I say to Mr. Romney - You defended your program by demonstrating how we all pay for the uninsured, and a mandate with a penalty is means of containing costs and increasing participation. Absent a nationalized individual mandate, how do you propose we pay for the health care needs of the of the uninsured? Why should responsible taxpayers pay for the care of the uninsured?
 
2012-06-28 04:19:23 PM

Sensei Can You See: doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.


Nice try at BSAB, but I have you flagged in Freeper Pink for a reason. For years now.

/SVR
 
2012-06-28 04:24:48 PM

what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.


The revenue is high, the net profits are debatable (most people don't figure in all the maintenance needed for the facilities after they're built, security, hell, money spent bribing the IOC to have it in their country, etc). There's a lot of now-unused Olympic facilities out there.
 
2012-06-28 04:30:54 PM

Diogenes: mrshowrules: Now he just has to keep on saying repeal and replace. I don't see this hurting him at all but it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to fark it up some way.

Maybe not. But it infuriates me that he's allowed to get away with this. He actually gave a solid defense of the mandate during the primary debates.

But why is it good at the state level and not the national? Notice I said "good" and not "permissible." The only explanation Romney's given is that it was permissible at the state level. But that doesn't make it good.

So I say to Mr. Romney - You defended your program by demonstrating how we all pay for the uninsured, and a mandate with a penalty is means of containing costs and increasing participation. Absent a nationalized individual mandate, how do you propose we pay for the health care needs of the of the uninsured? Why should responsible taxpayers pay for the care of the uninsured?


Because DC is bad. Federal Government bad. Big Government bad. State's rights sells well to his base and even to some Independents. The mandate was always a weakness in his campaign but not any more so after this ruling. It being overturned would have been much trickier for him to deal with IMHO. Not really sure.

I don't see this as a victory for either Obama or the DNC. Perhaps a vindication. Mostly it is just a complete failure of the tea party and that is why it gives me a happy.
 
2012-06-28 04:47:50 PM
Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."


That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted
 
2012-06-28 04:52:52 PM
that could have been handled better...but I don't fault the DNC for their enthusiasm.
 
2012-06-28 04:55:59 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."

That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted


Well, who among us hasn't let their scrotal excitement get the better of them?
 
2012-06-28 04:58:45 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."

That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted


Do not call up that which ye cannot put down!

OGTHROD AI'F
GEB'L-EE'H
YOG-SOTHOTH
'NGAH'NG AI'Y
ZHRO
 
2012-06-28 05:11:43 PM

Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."

That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted

Do not call up that which ye cannot put down!

OGTHROD AI'F
GEB'L-EE'H
YOG-SOTHOTH
'NGAH'NG AI'Y
ZHRO


I think Weaver95 just had a stroke. Do we death panel him now or later?
 
2012-06-28 05:15:17 PM

bdub77: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."

That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted

Do not call up that which ye cannot put down!

OGTHROD AI'F
GEB'L-EE'H
YOG-SOTHOTH
'NGAH'NG AI'Y
ZHRO

I think Weaver95 just had a stroke. Do we death panel him now or later?


*sigh*

nobody reads the classics anymore.
 
2012-06-28 05:18:00 PM

Weaver95: bdub77: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Real classy...

UPDATE: In a more somber tweet a few minutes ago, Gaspard curbed his enthusiasm:

"I let my scotus excitement get the better of me."

That which has been tweeted, cannot be un-tweeted

Do not call up that which ye cannot put down!

OGTHROD AI'F
GEB'L-EE'H
YOG-SOTHOTH
'NGAH'NG AI'Y
ZHRO

I think Weaver95 just had a stroke. Do we death panel him now or later?

*sigh*

nobody reads the classics anymore.


He's alive!

/thought it might be lovecraft
 
2012-06-28 05:19:19 PM
WHAR DIGNITY DEMOCRATS WHAR
 
2012-06-28 05:25:12 PM
daily challenge: work the phrase 'scotus excitement' into passing conversation.
 
2012-06-28 05:26:37 PM

heap: daily challenge: work the phrase 'scotus excitement' into passing conversation.


I will not buy this record. It is scratched. MY SCOTUS EXPLODES WITH DELIGHT!
 
2012-06-28 05:38:50 PM

sigdiamond2000: Sarah Palin?

Automatically president.


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-06-28 06:17:01 PM

Weaver95: nobody reads the classics anymore.


Lovecraft is many things, but it doesn't really meet the definition of a classic. Cult, but not classic.

Weaver95: that could have been handled better...but I don't fault the DNC for their enthusiasm.


I suspect that was shock and sudden exultation. I mean, I would have never bet money on the whole law being upheld. Hell, I would have bet money on the whole thing being trashed.
 
2012-06-28 07:04:58 PM
what an asshole
 
2012-06-28 07:05:51 PM
He accidentally the football.
 
2012-06-28 07:07:54 PM

sigdiamond2000: Sarah Palin?

Automatically president.


Best part?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 07:08:10 PM
biatches ain't shiat but RINOs and hicks.
 
2012-06-28 07:08:32 PM

Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.


img690.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-28 07:11:16 PM
I've lived long enough to have seen the Dems go from being the dominant party in the Congress for over four decades to being the inept and bumbling idiots who were forever snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think 4 years of Obama being in charge have given them reason to strut a little and find their collective sack again. They've been trolling and mocking and leading the GOP by the nose for the last 4 years.

I say let em strut a little.
 
2012-06-28 07:11:16 PM
Uncouth. Unprofessional. Unnecessary.

I like it.
 
2012-06-28 07:11:24 PM
It's not really gloating unless you are looking at it from the opposing side, otherwise it's celebrating.

and it's well deserved.
 
2012-06-28 07:11:28 PM
Over 20 new taxes, 159 new government agencies, and control over your behavior. How proud the Dem's must be.

/and just to pander to the hispanic vote, none of it applies to "undocumented immigrants", so keep on using our emergency rooms all you want. We'll pay for that too.
 
2012-06-28 07:12:14 PM
vygramul

POST TACOS
 
2012-06-28 07:12:36 PM

vegasj: what an asshole


you like his asshole?
 
2012-06-28 07:14:12 PM
Isolated incident. Overzealous staffer.
 
2012-06-28 07:14:27 PM

cchris_39: Over 20 new taxes, 159 new government agencies, and control over your behavior. How proud the Dem's must be.

/and just to pander to the hispanic vote, none of it applies to "undocumented immigrants", so keep on using our emergency rooms all you want. We'll pay for that too.


And as terrible as all that is, TO YOU, the people are still going to re-elect Obama.

And the tears shall flow...
 
2012-06-28 07:14:29 PM
Isitoveryet: vegasj: what an asshole

you like his asshole?


turns out it is remarkable
 
2012-06-28 07:15:15 PM
Good. Republicans were fighting to kill the only healthcare law in the last 15 years that actually did something substantial to get more people insured. I can get insurance through the high-risk exchange, but Republicans were fighting diligently to keep poor working people like me uninsured even though I have MS and my drug costs easily exceed my income some months. They were trying to keep me from getting the drugs that keep me alive... so if all it takes for you to get upset is a little gloating, go fark yourself, try having a major political party arguing that the economically valid position for you is "dead."
 
2012-06-28 07:15:19 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?

Oh, don't get me wrong -- I understand it's an honor and that it generates money and all that. But the president is, IMHO, supposed to be above inserting himself into that sort of thing.

IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

To me that was like if the president appealed a referee's call in a basketball game that was against his hometown team.


You make a good point. Presidents are not what they once were. George W. Bush lied us into a war that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, bragging about a "coalition of the willing" that was more like a two-person partnership of the willing and the had-to-do-something-for-allies while attacking freedom and strengthening executive power at every turn.

President Obama wanted the Olympics to be held in the United States.

Why do we have such monsters in office now?
 
2012-06-28 07:15:58 PM

ultraholland: Isitoveryet: vegasj: what an asshole

you like his asshole?

turns out it is remarkable


exquisite for sure, possibly bleached?
 
2012-06-28 07:17:07 PM

Diogenes: Jordon Wright · Top Commenter · Springfield, Missouri
Laugh it up....until Romney pounces. This isn't a winning issue for the Dems.

Romney, it's your move.

And it is for Romney?

Romney's only viable argument against it was the individual mandate at the national level. That is no longer a viable argument. It passed Constitutional muster. He no longer has the magic exemption that the Massachusetts Constitution permitted it.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 07:18:34 PM

Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.


F*ck em. "Dignified response" is lost on Republicans, and all they do is take advantage of patience and composure. Rub their noses in it.
 
2012-06-28 07:20:10 PM

qorkfiend: Diogenes: Jordon Wright · Top Commenter · Springfield, Missouri
Laugh it up....until Romney pounces. This isn't a winning issue for the Dems.

Romney, it's your move.

And it is for Romney?

Romney's only viable argument against it was the individual mandate at the national level. That is no longer a viable argument. It passed Constitutional muster. He no longer has the magic exemption that the Massachusetts Constitution permitted it.

[i.imgur.com image 350x272]


He could still just "make stuff up"
Link
 
2012-06-28 07:20:51 PM
You know what? I don't even care. There has been so much hyperbole, irrelevant exaggeration, and outright lies about the ACA from the conservative Republicans in this country since the day Obama proposed it that, followed by numerous accusations of treason towards any politician who supported it, that a little gloating on the part of supporters of the ACA like in TFA is actually more a dignified and civil response than anyone could have hoped for. If I were in his place, I would have called a press conference just to say "Hey, Republicans, go f*ck yourselves for trying so hard to get this important legislation overturned. Go f*ck yourselves for lying, from day goddamn one, about anything and everything in it from death panels to broccoli. Today you lost, because you're f*cking losers who don't have the slightest clue about either what's right for this country or what's legal according to our Constitution. Director of the DNC, out!"

And I lean conservative.
 
2012-06-28 07:22:35 PM
I'm not a big fan of political gloating, but considering the teabaggers would be dancing in the streets, waving their private parts in the air and treating it like a national holiday if it had been struck down (anyone remember the crap posted on Fark after the Wisconsin recall vote?) I'm not gonna begrudge the guy a little exuberance.
 
2012-06-28 07:22:59 PM

Tellingthem: All this shows to me is that everyone is pretty much the same. Republicans did it in the Wisconsin recall thread and now Democrats are doing it in the Obamacare thread. I wish things would be more civil but maybe that is not who we are as a populace. "They do it so we are going to do it too" seems to rule the day.


Blame Newt Gingrich and Frank Lutz. The two of them turned American politics into a grudge match during the Clinton era in order to advance the right-wing corporatist agenda. Frank Lutz came up with the idea of smearing every single person who doesn't walk in lockstep with Republicans as evil, corrupt, scheming villains and turning the word "liberal" into a dirty word. Then Newt Gingrich mobilized the GOP to enact this scheme, and the war was launched.

Republicans have turned politics into a bloody, brutal, knuckleduster. Liberals and progressive spent close to twenty years getting nothing but black eyes and busted teeth trying to get the right to play fair and fight like gentlemen.

Well fark that. As a liberal I am farking sick to death of losing because my side tries to stay above it and take the high road. My future is at stake. These right-wing retards want to take all of the money I've put into social security and medicare and hand it over to Wall St so they can gamble it away on their brilliant hedging strategies that regularly cause the market to explode and collapse. These farksticks are intent on turning America into a third world country, and I for one think it is way too farking important that they not be allowed to do that. It is way, way more important that they be stopped than it is important that we be gentlemen about it. Losing with grace and dignity will be cold comfort indeed when I'm 75 and have to eat cat food because my 401k blew up in the latest scandal to rock Wall St, and social security wasn't there to protect me.

So fark these guys, fark decorum, fark playing nice. From here on out it is total farking war and we are playing to win. You want politics to be a team sport? Fine, biatches. Watch while my team buries your asses in the ground!
 
2012-06-28 07:23:34 PM
"Reasonable" and "dignified" have been tried for decades.

These concepts got bent over the table and raped in the last decade by duplicitous assholes that decided that scoring political points for their team was worth more than their word or the country.

This is the world that we live in, the world that we, the people, have created through our nationalism and our insistence on party before country. Until we decide to put country before party (or religion), then this is the level of discourse we deserve.

Suck it.
 
2012-06-28 07:24:03 PM
Was this gloating or was he responding directly to CNN's terrible reporting?
 
2012-06-28 07:25:18 PM
Listen up, subs:

Get down on yer knees

Work up some spit

AND SUCK IT HARD
 
2012-06-28 07:25:23 PM
The Republicans were spiking the football all f*cking week and the ruling hadn't even come out yet! An "in your face" response is warranted.
 
2012-06-28 07:25:31 PM

cchris_39: Over 20 new taxes, 159 new government agencies, and control over your behavior. How proud the Dem's must be.

/and just to pander to the hispanic vote, none of it applies to "undocumented immigrants", so keep on using our emergency rooms all you want. We'll pay for that too.


Did you hear that? he called you a biatch
 
2012-06-28 07:26:22 PM
Now watch this drive.
 
2012-06-28 07:27:03 PM

Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because my vagina is packed with sand.


pffffht.
 
2012-06-28 07:27:05 PM

skepticultist: Liberals and progressive spent close to twenty years getting nothing but black eyes and busted teeth trying to get the right to play fair and fight like gentlemen.

Well fark that. As a liberal I am farking sick to death of losing because my side tries to stay above it and take the high road.



This. Conservatives can sure dish it out. But listen to them whine like schoolgirls when it comes time to take it.
 
2012-06-28 07:28:42 PM

cchris_39: Over 20 new taxes, 159 new government agencies, and control over your behavior. How proud the Dem's must be.

/and just to pander to the hispanic vote, none of it applies to "undocumented immigrants", so keep on using our emergency rooms all you want. We'll pay for that too.


Yeesh. These are not even bargain bin talking points.
 
2012-06-28 07:32:54 PM

ultraholland: vygramul

POST TACOS


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-06-28 07:33:58 PM

fuhfuhfuh: "Reasonable" and "dignified" have been tried for decades.

These concepts got bent over the table and raped in the last decade by duplicitous assholes that decided that scoring political points for their team was worth more than their word or the country.


They've never been tried. American politics has always been ugly, brutal, and undignified. The Vice President of the United States shot and killed a man in 1804. Since then, we've seen the nation break down into civil war, an attempt by businesses to overthrow a sitting president, and the rise of Fox news.

It's the same as it ever was.
 
2012-06-28 07:37:38 PM

Sensei Can You See: Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.


Well Germany has a very similar health care system. Is Germany not "Real life" enough for you or something?
 
2012-06-28 07:39:57 PM
Yeah, yeah, it's only embarrassing when it's those damn elitist libs do it.

/sssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
 
2012-06-28 07:40:12 PM

MadAzza: F*cl being gracious. I'm sick of it. It hasn't worked.

Democrats and liberals need to get down in the dirt with Republicans and right-wingers and fight things out their way. It's all they understand or respect.


This. When they're re gracious you just see pages of morons going "butthurt libs lol".

On the other hand I don't want to stoop to their level.

It is, frankly, fun to watch the ignorant masses meltdown over something that may actually help them.
 
2012-06-28 07:42:29 PM
I would have been sort of interested to see the Republicans do an election season with 30 million citizens really pissed off over having the benefits of ACA yanked out from under them.
 
2012-06-28 07:43:01 PM

Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.


Wait wut?

blogs.state.gov

mikesnoise.typepad.com

0.tqn.com

i.telegraph.co.uk


productshopnyc.com

0.tqn.com

Him trying to get Jobs for the American people is "undignified" but Bush hanging out was fine?
 
2012-06-28 07:43:49 PM
Hey subby, two things:
1. It is constitutional
2. You are biatches.
 
2012-06-28 07:44:40 PM

Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.


So those above pics of Bush were "dignified" however this is "undignified":

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-06-28 07:44:47 PM
vygramul 2012-06-28 07:32:54 PM

ultraholland: vygramul

POST TACOS


[www.bitlogic.com]


damn it now kitty wants tacos for dinnur.

/krunchie
 
2012-06-28 07:45:20 PM
Go Team
 
2012-06-28 07:45:22 PM
Republicans trying to give lessons in proper decorum? Thats ... adorable.
 
2012-06-28 07:46:16 PM
I say, old bean, 'twas quite the tuffle you and I had recently. Many a hearty barb was traded, no doubt. However I must digress from our usual back and forth. You know, you insinuating that my mother was of low virtue whilst I would vainly attempt to meet such vitriol with reason. Anyways, I am terribly sorry for such a digression, but I wished to offer a most sincere and deeply felt opinion that I have been harboring of late.

F*ck you.

With utmost respect, The Executive Director of the DNC
 
2012-06-28 07:47:41 PM

Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified.


"Dignified":

i.telegraph.co.uk

"Undignified":
i2.cdn.turner.com

Dumb Obama trying to get jobs in the US! Why does he do things like like that?
 
2012-06-28 07:48:53 PM

Shaggy_C: Go Team


Funny, I said this over and and over in the Walker thread, only to be told that "my butt hurt" and troll faces aplenty.

I'm done being gracious. The right should shut the fark up and actually read up on the farking ACA rather than just listen to their radio and tv gods.
 
2012-06-28 07:50:28 PM
The way the Republicans have been, I'd forgive Obama if he went all Spider Jerusalem.
 
2012-06-28 07:50:33 PM
Is Mitt Romney really capable of "pouncing"? That would seem to require the ability to think quickly on his feet, see an opportunity and grab it without too much reflection. Frankly, that doesn't seem to be his MO. He's more the "wait and see what everyone else is doing, confer with his advisers and check the latest polls in Peoria before taking action cautiously under consideration" type of guy. He has the killer instinct, but he seems to prefer preying on the helpless to going one-on-one with a worthy opponent. Compare that with Obama's lightning decision to embrace gay marriage after Biden put him on the spot. He could have responded vaguely, checked the number and hoped that things would blow over but instead he took the bull by the horns and made a judgment call. And Obama is pretty damn cautious in my book. If "No Drama" Obama looks daring and swashbuckling next to Romney, Romney should hire Cheney's doctor to make sure from time to time that he still has a pulse and hasn't died of self-induced boredom.
 
2012-06-28 07:53:32 PM
Corvus:

As a friend of mine so aptly observed...

"The picture below is emblematic of Papa Bush. He looks at a situation and thinks "Hehe, yeah, this is the solution". However, the rest of the world can see he's got it all arse-backwards. But no matter how long he looks at the situation, he can't see why it's backwards. It looks right to him and that is all that matters."

productshopnyc.com
 
2012-06-28 07:54:03 PM
This headline is a blatant representation of what was actually said.

The man definitely did NOT use all caps.
 
2012-06-28 07:54:07 PM

trotsky: Shaggy_C: Go Team

Funny, I said this over and and over in the Walker thread, only to be told that "my butt hurt" and troll faces aplenty.

I'm done being gracious. The right should shut the fark up and actually read up on the farking ACA rather than just listen to their radio and tv gods.


THIS. Right-wingers have been salivating for a week at the prospect of rubbing it in the libs' faces when Obamacare gets struck down. It didn't, and now they act shocked that they aren't being handled with kid-gloves?

Go fark a cactus.
 
2012-06-28 07:54:38 PM
misrepresentation*
 
2012-06-28 07:55:55 PM

Sensei Can You See: gloating like that is just plain undignified


I see your point.

However, why can't we admit that nobody is really dignified, let alone politicians?

95% of the people acting like they're all serious about politics are inwardly just a bunch of tools, like most of the rest of us, but they're faking decorum. You have to put your faith in the remaining 5%: those who are legitimately saints and those who are unapologetic in keeping it real.
 
2012-06-28 07:57:21 PM
It's constitutional. biatches.
 
2012-06-28 07:58:58 PM

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.


Yes yes. It's okay when conservatives gloat over a liberal loss, but unseemly when libs gloat over a conservative loss. Gotcha.
 
2012-06-28 08:02:22 PM
Hey Subby, BFD
 
2012-06-28 08:03:36 PM
WAAAAH yew peeples are barbarians fer cheering Bin Laden getting murdurred!

Ya think I have forgotten that one yet ya f*ckin Birchers?
 
2012-06-28 08:05:30 PM
MY UNCLE DID DIE OF A OBAMACARE, MY UNCLE DID ALSO JUST LOST HIS JOB OF A OBAMACARE, THIS IS THE END MY FRENDS.I CANNOT COMPUTER
 
2012-06-28 08:07:44 PM

Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.


Most Americans just won.

Millions get coverage that didn't get it before.

It's a big farking deal.
 
2012-06-28 08:08:10 PM
Surprised he didn't just post,

HA! HA! SUCK IT !

Oh wait he did :)
 
2012-06-28 08:12:01 PM

ketheriel: MY UNCLE DID DIE OF A OBAMACARE, MY UNCLE DID ALSO JUST LOST HIS JOB OF A OBAMACARE, THIS IS THE END MY FRENDS.I CANNOT COMPUTER


This.
 
2012-06-28 08:18:36 PM

Kittypie070: WAAAAH yew peeples are barbarians fer cheering Bin Laden getting murdurred!

Ya think I have forgotten that one yet ya f*ckin Birchers?


[throws kittiepie a brandy soaked salmon]
 
2012-06-28 08:20:04 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: trotsky: Have they mentioned the magic words "armed revolution"?

Reading Freep Impact's blog, looks like there are calls for "join your local militia" and "stock up on ammo", yeah. Because that's totally the response you should have to this benign-as-shiat SCOTUS decision.

Favorite so far: "As God is my witness I will not watch the Kenyan gloating over this."


Well, sure. They spent the last 30 years painstakingly amassing a majority on the Supreme Court precisely for situations like this, and it didn't work.
 
2012-06-28 08:21:02 PM
[offers Gyrfalcon a delicious home cooked rabbit dish]
 
2012-06-28 08:24:17 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: bugontherug: Oh do share.

You gotta be careful, because Freep Impact was kicked off of this site for copy/pasting freeper comments here. I've never heard an adequate reason why, but the hammer came down hard. But you can go to his blog from my previous post and see for yourself.


Weird.
 
2012-06-28 08:24:46 PM
'it's constitutional. biatches.'

I'm totally stealing that for my Alt.
 
2012-06-28 08:24:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 08:25:14 PM

Isitoveryet: vegasj: what an asshole

you like his asshole?


nope. calling him an asshole.

nice try though
 
2012-06-28 08:25:32 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?

Oh, don't get me wrong -- I understand it's an honor and that it generates money and all that. But the president is, IMHO, supposed to be above inserting himself into that sort of thing.

IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

To me that was like if the president appealed a referee's call in a basketball game that was against his hometown team.


Royalty got involved for London. Prince William, second in line to the throne.

Watch NBC Sports and drink every time they say London.

I'm going, you know. Can't say it enough. Casey Eichfeld is our man in the C1M and I'm cheering the young punk on should he get through the first day, which he should. And I'm as proud as punch to be doing it.

So: yeah. Fu** yeah. Piss on you, I wanted to see that here. But a Tuesday wearing a patriotic tshirt and waving the flag over there will do too.
 
2012-06-28 08:30:43 PM
Freep reminds me of moronic children. They don't get their way so all they think about is arming themselves. For something.

I saw many of us "libs" in the Walker thread try to take it in the best way possible. We didn't act like retarded 7 year olds.

fark Freep. Buncha whiny biatches.
 
2012-06-28 08:32:50 PM
i568.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 08:35:47 PM
Hey, at least they didn't express their complete and total ignorance of all thing 'Constitution', like Rand Paul...
 
2012-06-28 08:37:25 PM
See, when Roberts was appointed, I said he sucked, but we could have done worse given W, and approve him already, the Pres gets to do this shiat.

I wins, biatches!
 
2012-06-28 08:37:42 PM
Usually I stay out of the scrum once the derp hits the fan...

However, after the lack of decorum, party before country, suck off big business, hate, and just plain out and out F*CKING LYING the Republican National Party of C*cksuckers have been doing since Obama was elected...

F*CK YOU IN YOUR HOMOPHOBIC RACIST THEOCRACY LOVING ASSES,

Love,
Baka-San
 
2012-06-28 08:40:32 PM

Corvus: Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

Wait wut?

[blogs.state.gov image 507x284]

[mikesnoise.typepad.com image 369x450]

[0.tqn.com image 400x266]

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


[productshopnyc.com image 640x426]

[0.tqn.com image 400x266]

Him trying to get Jobs for the American people is "undignified" but Bush hanging out was fine?


Hanging out with Henry Kissinger and Mitt Romney, no less.
 
2012-06-28 08:43:22 PM
Politics aside, let me tell you something. 3 years ago, I suffered what could best be described as a borderline MS condition by my doctors which left me temporarily paralyzed on one side, forcing me to go into rehab to, among other things, relearn to walk. Though the paralysis went away a month or two later, I was left with scar tissue on my brain from a lesion and permanent loss of vision on one side of both eyes. I now have a higher likelihood of developing some form of MS later in life.

When this all occurred, I was lucky to be a Massachusetts resident because even if I didn't have health insurance through my parents, I still would've been eligible for MassHealth. Outside the state, I wouldn't have had that chance to be insured in case something like that happened to me again. If I was anyone else, this would've been pure bankruptcy, and we shouldn't have that issue. We shouldn't look at someone and see that they've had medical issues, oftentimes through no fault of their own, and deny them the basic humanitarian right to see a doctor and not sell a kidney to pay for it.

So in the coming days and months, you will hear anyone and everyone with an opinion on how this is either the greatest thing in the world or tyranny in the making, but remember one thing: Life throws you curveballs all the time, you don't know if the next day will land you in the hospital, so why should you tempt fate to let you die simply because you weren't rich enough to pay for it on your own? This isn't an issue on constitutional rights, this is an issue on the rights of man. This is a moral act to help those that don't have the means to help themselves. Don't call it an act of oppression, call it an act of love for your fellow human being. Vote in November for who is actually a just and moral person, not the one that happens to be on your team.

Thank you for reading this,
Matt
 
2012-06-28 08:43:31 PM
Comically the conservatives were right about the Commerce clause and the liberals were wrong, and yet it was ruled Constitutional anyway.

It was not ruled Constitutional under the Commerce clause, but as a tax... And isn't that precisely what the Obama admin tried to tell us that it wasn't?
 
2012-06-28 08:45:18 PM
I blame Dave Chapelle.
 
2012-06-28 08:45:32 PM

somedude210: Politics aside, let me tell you something. 3 years ago, I suffered what could best be described as a borderline MS condition by my doctors which left me temporarily paralyzed on one side, forcing me to go into rehab to, among other things, relearn to walk. Though the paralysis went away a month or two later, I was left with scar tissue on my brain from a lesion and permanent loss of vision on one side of both eyes. I now have a higher likelihood of developing some form of MS later in life.

When this all occurred, I was lucky to be a Massachusetts resident because even if I didn't have health insurance through my parents, I still would've been eligible for MassHealth. Outside the state, I wouldn't have had that chance to be insured in case something like that happened to me again. If I was anyone else, this would've been pure bankruptcy, and we shouldn't have that issue. We shouldn't look at someone and see that they've had medical issues, oftentimes through no fault of their own, and deny them the basic humanitarian right to see a doctor and not sell a kidney to pay for it.

So in the coming days and months, you will hear anyone and everyone with an opinion on how this is either the greatest thing in the world or tyranny in the making, but remember one thing: Life throws you curveballs all the time, you don't know if the next day will land you in the hospital, so why should you tempt fate to let you die simply because you weren't rich enough to pay for it on your own? This isn't an issue on constitutional rights, this is an issue on the rights of man. This is a moral act to help those that don't have the means to help themselves. Don't call it an act of oppression, call it an act of love for your fellow human being. Vote in November for who is actually a just and moral person, not the one that happens to be on your team.

Thank you for reading this,
Matt


This is what it's all about, right here. Making sure people are covered.
 
2012-06-28 08:46:41 PM

randomjsa: Comically the conservatives were right about the Commerce clause and the liberals were wrong, and yet it was ruled Constitutional anyway.

It was not ruled Constitutional under the Commerce clause, but as a tax... And isn't that precisely what the Obama admin tried to tell us that it wasn't?


Holy shiat, the Supreme Court disagreed with Obama? That means that Obamacare really WAS overturned today, and randomjsa is automatically Todd Palin!
 
2012-06-28 08:48:26 PM

sigdiamond2000: Sarah Palin?

Automatically president.


Barack Obama?

Janitor at McDonald's Olympic restaurant.
 
2012-06-28 08:49:49 PM
 
2012-06-28 08:51:16 PM

Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?


shiat'shiat the fan...and left a Beck carcass in it's wake
 
2012-06-28 08:52:55 PM
I think a Chief Justice Roberts quote is appropriate here:

"IT'S THE SETTLED LAW OF THE LAND, BIATCHES!!1!"


/and he was talking about Roe v. Wade, BIATCHES!!1!
 
2012-06-28 08:54:41 PM
"I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.
 
2012-06-28 08:54:58 PM

Sensei Can You See: Chariset: As if the Republicans wouldn't do the same if it had been dismissed.

Sadly, you're probably right. I wish both sides could say "Look; we all fought hard for our positions in this, but the verdict is in. Let's work together to make this the best solution possible."

But that's probably asking too much.


Fox News was celebrating until the dolts actually read the opinion and realized the law was upheld.
 
2012-06-28 08:56:30 PM

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.

Not to worry- I have that same DNC elation once my Preperation H kicks in.

After several months of hand wringing over whether Obama actually accomplished something, they're finally getting that soothing relief.

I've taken the steps needed to prepare for the Hope and Change Depression- lowered mortgage, paid off the cars, so survival at minimum wage is now a reality for me.Next step is to quit my job and get me some free health care.Should the H & C Depression not occur, I've leveraged myself into a rather good position. Either way i'll come out grinnin'.

 
2012-06-28 08:57:13 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


Over 300,000 thousand jobs and literally billions of dollars of income would have poured into a three state area stretching from southern Wisconsin to Northern Indiana had Chicago won its Olympic bid. Your fellow citizens now unemployed as a result agree with your assessment of yourself as a "cocktard."
 
2012-06-28 08:57:37 PM

Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.


NIXON, YOU DOLT!!!!!


Sorry, always wanted to say that.

Link
 
2012-06-28 08:57:49 PM

Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.


www.momlogic.com
 
2012-06-28 08:59:07 PM

Chariset: As if the Republicans wouldn't do the same if it had been dismissed.

They'd be on the rooftops mooning passers-by and crowing about how the will of the people had been done.


Which reminds me of my current tagline:

Remember, kiddies, when a Democrat fails, it's the will of the people. When a Republican fails, it's a Soros-funded, ACORN-backed plot to subvert the will of the people.
 
2012-06-28 08:59:45 PM

Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.


So who are these people making 250k who don't have health insurance?
 
2012-06-28 09:01:41 PM

saintstryfe: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.

So who are these people making 250k who don't have health insurance?


Who are these people making 60k with no health insurance?
 
2012-06-28 09:02:38 PM

Sensei Can You See: Like I said, we expect farking CHILDREN to walk over to the losing team and say "Good game, guys" and shake hands. But politicians ain't got time for that shiat.


Maybe you should stop seeing providing health care as a sport? That said, at some point both parties will need to work together and the leaders need to keep their heads.
 
2012-06-28 09:04:41 PM

Tumunga: saintstryfe: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.

So who are these people making 250k who don't have health insurance?

Who are these people making 60k with no health insurance?


The ones with pre-existing conditions?
 
2012-06-28 09:05:24 PM

Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.


What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?
 
2012-06-28 09:05:41 PM

MisterLoki: [i568.photobucket.com image 640x399]


Appropriate use of "high-5'ing" with a shark. i commend you on this one.
 
2012-06-28 09:07:22 PM

Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.


The penalty is not a tax increase, a tax hike, or a tax raise. It's a tax penalty. That very few people will have to pay (on NPR today they cited the number "6 in 100 Americans", and of those 6 at least 4 will qualify for a government subsidy to pay for their shiny new insurance plan).
 
2012-06-28 09:07:26 PM

randomjsa: Comically the conservatives were right about the Commerce clause and the liberals were wrong, and yet it was ruled Constitutional anyway.

It was not ruled Constitutional under the Commerce clause, but as a tax... And isn't that precisely what the Obama admin tried to tell us that it wasn't?


Good job. Good effort.
 
2012-06-28 09:10:24 PM

Sensei Can You See: AdolfOliverPanties: *not saying SenseiCanYouSee was one of them, just using his quote

Shrug. Appreciate that.

Pointing out something awful the other party did doesn't absolve anyone of the responsibility to call for better behavior in one's own party. The Obama posters with a Hitler mustache are already showing up and it's stupid and embarrassing, so matter what you think of ACA.


Those are one of the few things I'll biatch at a stranger over.
 
2012-06-28 09:12:21 PM
Those two tweets ooze more maturity than anything we've seen from the right the past few years.
 
2012-06-28 09:12:24 PM
Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.
 
2012-06-28 09:12:48 PM

randomjsa: Comically the conservatives were right about the Commerce clause and the liberals were wrong, and yet it was ruled Constitutional anyway.

It was not ruled Constitutional under the Commerce clause, but as a tax... And isn't that precisely what the Obama admin tried to tell us that it wasn't?


There was a thread on this already. By calling it a tax, Robert avoided even having to even look at the Commerce Clause one way or the other.
 
2012-06-28 09:13:39 PM
www.angelasagelarsen.com

Come cry to me about politicians not listening in 4.5 more years and two more wars, subby.
 
2012-06-28 09:16:18 PM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


Also Obama just made your dick like 6 inches longer and you're really attractive to women now plus the coolest guy in global history. Living large my man!
 
2012-06-28 09:17:00 PM

radioshack: Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


$95 per uninsured person in a household is the "greatest tax increase in history"?

I want some of what you're smoking.
 
2012-06-28 09:17:26 PM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


Yep, we own it, we'll run on it and we'll win. And your delicious tears will flow like rain on a spring day.
 
2012-06-28 09:18:04 PM

Shaggy_C: radioshack: Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.

$95 per uninsured person in a household is the "greatest tax increase in history"?

I want some of what you're smoking.


Meat cigars and k2?
 
2012-06-28 09:18:59 PM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


i18.photobucket.com
No fak u Gooby. Stfu.
 
2012-06-28 09:21:16 PM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


1) it's only a tax on bootstrappy types who are too independent to have any of that insurance crap.

2) We're not the ones who signed or supported a poorly thought out oath to never ever ever ever ever ever raise taxes, as dreamed up by a 13 yr old named after a muppet.
 
2012-06-28 09:21:48 PM

Chariset: As if the Republicans wouldn't do the same if it had been dismissed.

They'd be on the rooftops mooning passers-by and crowing about how the will of the people had been done.


Came here to say the same damn thing.

Fark you subby.
 
2012-06-28 09:22:20 PM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


And yet...

4.bp.blogspot.com

IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL, biatchES!
 
2012-06-28 09:22:25 PM

Nuclear Monk: radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.

1) it's only a tax on bootstrappy types who are too independent to have any of that insurance crap.

2) We're not the ones who signed or supported a poorly thought out oath to never ever ever ever ever ever raise taxes, as dreamed up by a 13 yr old named after a muppet.


Norquist the frog is my favorite muppet.
 
2012-06-28 09:25:03 PM

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.


Republicans have acted like children from the time Obama was elected. Time to return fire
 
2012-06-28 09:25:16 PM

radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,


HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.
 
2012-06-28 09:26:20 PM

Warlordtrooper: Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.

Republicans have acted like children from the time Obama was elected. Time to return fire


They've been children since the Democrats took Congress in '06, and they've only gotten worse.
 
2012-06-28 09:26:34 PM
Hey Subby, just letting you know you can buy a Health Reform: Still a BFD shirt to wipe away your tears.
 
2012-06-28 09:31:40 PM
Ho Hum. OK, so some political operative shoots his mouth off with something stupid and undignified, and of course, partisan. Is today a day that ends in y?

Does this even surprise or shock anybody any more? On any given day, some guy involved with the political parties will make some stupid, outrageous comment. It will then get picked up by some blogger, who will relay it over the Intertubes where it will then get picked up by Politco, or Kos, or Daily Beast, or any number of outrage factories. It will then be made into the lead post of every Facebook friend of yours with a partisan lean in the appropriate direction, and within a shrt time, you have worldwide Internet outrage. Which will last for about 15 minutes until the next outrage comes along.

It's boring. So very boring. And you are boring too.
 
2012-06-28 09:31:50 PM

MadAzza: F*cl being gracious. I'm sick of it. It hasn't worked.

Democrats and liberals need to get down in the dirt with Republicans and right-wingers and fight things out their way. It's all they understand or respect.


I've always said it: The only way you'll get right-wingers to back off is to (politically) beat them to a bloody pulp; beaten, battered, bruised, bloodied and, inevitably, broken.

If those on the left (and the middle) don't show those on the right that they are more than happy to engage in a street fight when those on the right start their little BS game, they'll just keep doing it.

Those on the right are like a bully, when you stand up to them and/or beat the hell out of them, they'll back off
 
2012-06-28 09:32:56 PM
No single payer. No public option. What's to celebrate?

Why can't Americans have what Canadians and British people have?
 
2012-06-28 09:33:31 PM

Mentat: WHAR DIGNITY DEMOCRATS WHAR


To be honest, I don't have a problem with it. Especially considering the efforts of those on the right to treat universal health care for all as if it were some cancer.
 
2012-06-28 09:36:27 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Republicans trying to give lessons in proper decorum? Thats ... adorable.


That's like Osama Bin Laden trying to give lessons in civil disobedience.
 
2012-06-28 09:36:57 PM

farkityfarker: No single payer. No public option. What's to celebrate?

Why can't Americans have what Canadians and British people have?


It has an opt out for states to do their own thing. If some liberal states play around with single payer and it works as well as I believe other states will follow. I believe this is similar to how Canada's system started. Canadian Farkers can probably expand (or tell me I am wrong).
 
2012-06-28 09:38:13 PM

Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?


And so it begins: the right start the circular firing squad.
 
2012-06-28 09:39:21 PM
We let the other team run a kickoff return back from the one yard line for a touchdown. Rational response? To biatch that the opposing receiver spiked the ball in the end zone.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 09:40:27 PM

Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?


Now I KNOW Beck is trolling.
 
2012-06-28 09:41:27 PM

what_now: You know what? I'm not going to hear about graciousness in victory from a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics.


I second this!
 
2012-06-28 09:42:37 PM

Tumunga: saintstryfe: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

Personally, I love the libtard gloating. It's fun. Jeebus knows there hasn't been too much to gloat about these 4 years.

Remember the circumstances that got the 'teabaggers' all wound up? Remember the 2010 elections?

Gloat on, brothers. Gloat on.

So who are these people making 250k who don't have health insurance?

Who are these people making 60k with no health insurance?


Crab fishermen.
 
2012-06-28 09:43:00 PM

jso2897: We let the other team run a kickoff return back from the one yard line for a touchdown. Rational response? To biatch that the opposing receiver spiked the ball in the end zone.
[i18.photobucket.com image 413x413]


mysportsrumors.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 09:50:17 PM

farkityfarker: No single payer. No public option. What's to celebrate?

Why can't Americans have what Canadians and British people have?


Because many people in some of your warmer States are ignorant as fark. You should really split up the country and let the idiots have their paradise and people who can spell, have their own.
 
2012-06-28 09:51:16 PM

Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?


They're literally eating their own over there. If the Freepers hate W. this much and are treating him like a RINO enemy-of-the-state, who on earth is actually conservative enough for them?
 
2012-06-28 09:52:32 PM

LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.


Still...yay. a new tax.
 
2012-06-28 09:53:43 PM

somedude210: Politics aside, let me tell you something. 3 years ago, I suffered what could best be described as a borderline MS condition by my doctors which left me temporarily paralyzed on one side, forcing me to go into rehab to, among other things, relearn to walk. Though the paralysis went away a month or two later, I was left with scar tissue on my brain from a lesion and permanent loss of vision on one side of both eyes. I now have a higher likelihood of developing some form of MS later in life.

When this all occurred, I was lucky to be a Massachusetts resident because even if I didn't have health insurance through my parents, I still would've been eligible for MassHealth. Outside the state, I wouldn't have had that chance to be insured in case something like that happened to me again. If I was anyone else, this would've been pure bankruptcy, and we shouldn't have that issue. We shouldn't look at someone and see that they've had medical issues, oftentimes through no fault of their own, and deny them the basic humanitarian right to see a doctor and not sell a kidney to pay for it.

So in the coming days and months, you will hear anyone and everyone with an opinion on how this is either the greatest thing in the world or tyranny in the making, but remember one thing: Life throws you curveballs all the time, you don't know if the next day will land you in the hospital, so why should you tempt fate to let you die simply because you weren't rich enough to pay for it on your own? This isn't an issue on constitutional rights, this is an issue on the rights of man. This is a moral act to help those that don't have the means to help themselves. Don't call it an act of oppression, call it an act of love for your fellow human being. Vote in November for who is actually a just and moral person, not the one that happens to be on your team.

Thank you for reading this,
Matt


Let's never forget who would have been happy to let you suffer. Glad you're doing a bit better, best of luck in the future.
 
2012-06-28 09:54:53 PM

radioshack: Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000)


Yeah, no.
 
2012-06-28 09:55:23 PM

fuhfuhfuh: I say, old bean, 'twas quite the tuffle you and I had recently. Many a hearty barb was traded, no doubt. However I must digress from our usual back and forth. You know, you insinuating that my mother was of low virtue whilst I would vainly attempt to meet such vitriol with reason. Anyways, I am terribly sorry for such a digression, but I wished to offer a most sincere and deeply felt opinion that I have been harboring of late.

F*ck you.

With utmost respect, The Executive Director of the DNC


Through an oversight, two Englishment are obliged to share a cabin on a transatlantic cruise, They don't speak to each other for the first three days. On the fourth day, one of them turns to the other and says:

"...Eton?"

The other answers:

"...Yes."

"...Oxford?"

"...Yes."

"...House of Lords?"

"...Yes."

"...Homosexual?"

"...No."

"...Pity."
 
2012-06-28 09:57:10 PM
meanmassive.com
 
2012-06-28 09:57:55 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-06-28 09:59:06 PM

mrshowrules: farkityfarker: No single payer. No public option. What's to celebrate?

Why can't Americans have what Canadians and British people have?

Because many people in some of your warmer States are ignorant as fark. You should really split up the country and let the idiots have their paradise and people who can spell, have their own.


Hey mister educated- ever read a history book or take in a "talkie' now and then? Last time they tried that, Abraham Lincoln massacred their leader with a silver plated axe....
 
2012-06-28 09:59:07 PM

vygramul: sigdiamond2000: Sarah Palin?

Automatically president.

[www.bitlogic.com image 500x375]


holy god damn, a taco-post. and a post taco.
 
2012-06-28 09:59:53 PM

clowncar on fire: mrshowrules: farkityfarker: No single payer. No public option. What's to celebrate?

Why can't Americans have what Canadians and British people have?

Because many people in some of your warmer States are ignorant as fark. You should really split up the country and let the idiots have their paradise and people who can spell, have their own.

Hey mister educated- ever read a history book or take in a "talkie' now and then? Last time they tried that, Abraham Lincoln massacred their leader with a silver plated axe....


Mofo was bad-ass.
 
2012-06-28 10:00:23 PM

clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.


Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.
 
2012-06-28 10:00:42 PM

Sabyen91: Sensei Can You See: IIRC Obama's the first president in history to actually ask the Olympic committee to host the games in the US. That's not his job, if you ask me. I just thought it was undignified. He at least could have sent someone else on the nation's behalf or something.

NIXON, YOU DOLT!!!!!

Sorry, always wanted to say that.

Link


You should know by now that if it didn't happen since the Bush administration, it NEVER HAPPENED...at least as far as Fark Independents (tm) are concerned.
 
2012-06-28 10:04:11 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?

They're literally eating their own over there. If the Freepers hate W. this much and are treating him like a RINO enemy-of-the-state, who on earth is actually conservative enough for them?


Satan.
 
2012-06-28 10:04:18 PM
The Republicans would have never spiked the ball like that. They even pinkie swore.
 
2012-06-28 10:05:26 PM

Rwa2play: Kittypie070: Glenn Beck: The GOP Are 'Full of Crap' 'Cowards' And 'This Destroys Bush's Legacy'

Can y'all frakkin believe this!?

And so it begins: the right start the circular firing squad.


If the shooters were dems, I'd share your concern. Being gun toting, God fearing men, only the pivot man need worry.
 
2012-06-28 10:08:56 PM

clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.


And a good one that benefits us all, at that. Too bad, so sad, huh?
 
2012-06-28 10:09:10 PM

Farker Soze: The Republicans would have never spiked the ball like that. They even pinkie swore.


Funny how the only central directive they had was don't spike the ball because they were so sure they would win. The central directive should also have said, "don't lose your shiat if it is upheld"

They were farking positive Roberts would vote party. Roberts is the biggest troll in history.
 
2012-06-28 10:09:27 PM

Farker Soze: The Republicans would have never spiked the ball like that. They even pinkie swore.


Exactly. They would have said, "Well, it's a good thing that this was ruled unconstitutional. Now let's work hard and get a really good and constitutional healthcare bill for all Americans - a law that everyone can be proud of."
 
2012-06-28 10:10:17 PM
Ya know what? Raise my taxes. Anything I keep my kids' colleges sees as income to take out of the financial aid package, so it's a wash anyway. If you don't have a job you're not in the middle class, so I say raise taxes on the middle class, and on the wealthy. Most of us can afford it more or less and the government certainly needs the income. I say let the Bush tax cuts expire, restore the Clinton era tax rates and if the middle class needs more tax relief, negotiate it as a separate piece of legislation. Then instead of holding middle class tax cuts hostage like they did last time, the repubs will be put in the position of opposing tax relief. Let their little brains explode from the cognitive dissonance. There's only so long you can let a bully push you around. It's worth a bloody nose to see those little repub pricks run home crying to their mommy.

Fark you repub Party. It may not happen this election cycle or the next one but ultimately we will win and there won't be anything left of you tightly-puckered closet cases but a greasy santorum stain.
 
2012-06-28 10:14:27 PM

jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.


If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.
 
2012-06-28 10:15:15 PM

Lando Lincoln: Farker Soze: The Republicans would have never spiked the ball like that. They even pinkie swore.

Exactly. They would have said, "Well, it's a good thing that this was ruled unconstitutional. Now let's work hard and get a really good and constitutional healthcare bill for all Americans - a law that everyone can be proud of."


Lando Lincoln: Farker Soze: The Republicans would have never spiked the ball like that. They even pinkie swore.

Exactly. They would have said, "Well, it's a good thing that this was ruled unconstitutional. Now let's work hard and get a really good and constitutional healthcare bill for all Americans - a law that everyone can be proud of."


Whoa whoa whoa! Let's not wander that far out into fantasy land. Here there be monsters.
 
2012-06-28 10:16:32 PM

Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?


When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.
 
2012-06-28 10:19:29 PM

clambam: Ya know what? Raise my taxes. Anything I keep my kids' colleges sees as income to take out of the financial aid package, so it's a wash anyway. If you don't have a job you're not in the middle class, so I say raise taxes on the middle class, and on the wealthy. Most of us can afford it more or less and the government certainly needs the income. I say let the Bush tax cuts expire, restore the Clinton era tax rates and if the middle class needs more tax relief, negotiate it as a separate piece of legislation. Then instead of holding middle class tax cuts hostage like they did last time, the repubs will be put in the position of opposing tax relief. Let their little brains explode from the cognitive dissonance. There's only so long you can let a bully push you around. It's worth a bloody nose to see those little repub pricks run home crying to their mommy.

Fark you repub Party. It may not happen this election cycle or the next one but ultimately we will win and there won't be anything left of you tightly-puckered closet cases but a greasy santorum stain.


What are you, some kind of anarchist? Don't you know how reasonable that all sounds?
 
2012-06-28 10:19:45 PM

Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.


You sound fat.
 
2012-06-28 10:20:41 PM

clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.


Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.
 
2012-06-28 10:22:08 PM

Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.


Context is for librul elitists.
 
2012-06-28 10:24:43 PM
So more taxes are constitutional? Who knew?

Yay, a win for Obama and a win for me because I just love paying more taxes!

I hope Obama comes up with more taxes on us. We can never give the government enough money.
 
2012-06-28 10:29:12 PM

Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.


What does Sarah Palin have to do with this?
 
2012-06-28 10:33:41 PM
oh fark

this means i'll probably have to buy health insurance
 
2012-06-28 10:35:14 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-28 10:36:15 PM
Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.
 
2012-06-28 10:37:09 PM

YELLOL: So more taxes are constitutional? Who knew?

Yay, a win for Obama and a win for me because I just love paying more taxes!

I hope Obama comes up with more taxes on us. We can never give the government enough money.


Ask not what your country can do for you...

Love it or leave it, you ungrateful biatch.
 
2012-06-28 10:37:29 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.


Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.
 
2012-06-28 10:38:48 PM
Oh and also, since I was horribly late to the party: did Scalia get raging drunk and grace us with a bile- encrusted dissent?
 
2012-06-28 10:40:29 PM
"IT'S NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION IT'S NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION IT'S NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION..."

*repeat ad nauseam*

I'm not saying what the DNC guy did was right (it wasn't), but I understand.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:48 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Oh and also, since I was horribly late to the party: did Scalia get raging drunk and grace us with a bile- encrusted dissent?


I haven't heard much but I don't think he mentioned illegal aliens this time.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:01 PM

Sabyen91: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

What does Sarah Palin have to do with this?


addins.whig.com

Bluto: "Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no."
Otter: "Germans?"
Boon: "Forget it. He's rolling."
Bluto: "And it ain't over now."
 
2012-06-28 10:42:55 PM

Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.


people who have a job and those who don't i guess...
 
2012-06-28 10:44:44 PM
Who says that we need to give ANY respect to the right wing? They're a pack of petulant, deranged, psychotic bullies. They swagger when they win, and sputter death threats when they lose. You give them even the tiniest amount of slack or wiggle room, and they will use it to make a mess out of anything resembling a compromise.

In fact, to the right wing, "compromise" means "WE bark out the orders, and YOU obey them!".

FARK EM! CRY SUM MOAR,YOU GOOSESTEPPING B*TCHES!!
 
2012-06-28 10:45:14 PM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who have a job and those who don't i guess...


The working poor don't exist.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:12 PM

Sabyen91: Curse of the Goth Kids: Oh and also, since I was horribly late to the party: did Scalia get raging drunk and grace us with a bile- encrusted dissent?

I haven't heard much but I don't think he mentioned illegal aliens this time.


Hrmph. Scalia aside I can attest that I myself am raging drunk. A quick googling reveals that there's some weirdness involved in the dissent, and I look forward to checking out both opinions at such time as I have the mental capacity to do so.
 
2012-06-28 10:48:31 PM

jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.


Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:53 PM

Sabyen91: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

What does Sarah Palin have to do with this?


Ouch...double reverse butthurt slam. It's almost as if righties have no memory at all.

i479.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 10:50:51 PM
So... who cares, exactly?

I'm pretty sure that "mildly ungracious" is fairly unremarkable in terms of US politics, considering there have been points in our history where assault between senators wasn't particularly remarkable.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:57 PM

Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.


people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that
 
2012-06-28 10:51:22 PM

Kanemano: cchris_39: Over 20 new taxes, 159 new government agencies, and control over your behavior. How proud the Dem's must be.

/and just to pander to the hispanic vote, none of it applies to "undocumented immigrants", so keep on using our emergency rooms all you want. We'll pay for that too.

Did you hear that? he called you a biatch


Dude we now live in a country where the government can tax your very behavior. We're pretty much all biatches now.

If you really think that's something to celebrate, well, you're part of the ignorance that got us here.

Did you hear THAT?
 
2012-06-28 10:51:33 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Sabyen91: Curse of the Goth Kids: Oh and also, since I was horribly late to the party: did Scalia get raging drunk and grace us with a bile- encrusted dissent?

I haven't heard much but I don't think he mentioned illegal aliens this time.

Hrmph. Scalia aside I can attest that I myself am raging drunk. A quick googling reveals that there's some weirdness involved in the dissent, and I look forward to checking out both opinions at such time as I have the mental capacity to do so.


Hmm, did you hear that it might have originally been a majority opinion?

Link
 
2012-06-28 10:52:09 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.


Many Liberals don't care if it is labeled as a tax. I argued from the beginning that it should been structured as a tax credit for those with insurance.
 
2012-06-28 10:52:22 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who have a job and those who don't i guess...

The working poor don't exist.


Seriously?

*checks sarcasm meter*

Oh. hey you funny,dat.
 
2012-06-28 10:52:52 PM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that


Most people are not going to have their taxes raised. Only people who are irresponsible enough not to have health insurance and can afford it.
 
2012-06-28 10:56:07 PM

Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?


lol, joke's on you middle class. The President didn't say he wouldn't raise your taxes! He just said he wasn't going to raise them in the specific plan he was referring to on that particular day. You had no reason to believe he wouldn't raise taxes on people earning under $250,000 you dishonest dishonesters!

/pathetic
 
2012-06-28 10:56:18 PM

Sabyen91: Most people are not going to have their taxes raised. Only people who are irresponsible enough not to have health insurance and can afford it.


And those who make $250,000+ per year. So nobody ITT, basically.
 
2012-06-28 10:56:55 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Most people are not going to have their taxes raised. Only people who are irresponsible enough not to have health insurance and can afford it.


what I meant was that it's easier to have a heart if that heart is free of charge
 
2012-06-28 11:00:25 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Most people are not going to have their taxes raised. Only people who are irresponsible enough not to have health insurance and can afford it.


Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.
 
2012-06-28 11:00:37 PM
Look, despite my disappointment regarding the ruling, I am fairly confident the sun will rise tomorrow (quite possibly in the west...) and this fight is not over. That being said, is there any reason to get upset over members of the democrat party celebrating over this decision? No, not at all, especially given the prevailing sentiment leading up to this ruling. Obviously this person could have been "more gracious" but in the end anyone getting upset over this is misplacing their disappointment.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:02 PM

BinkyBoy: AdolfOliverPanties: As we are already off topic, I am closing this thread.

Wait, I don't have that power, so instead I'll comment on the Olympics thing.

POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.

...

Excellent comment. Thank you.


Seriously. Agreeing with Adolf? I wish football season would just start so I could go back to fighting with this guy every few days.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:59 PM
If this is a tax, Congress can:

1) overturn the law
2) extend the tax "cut"
3) derp
4) profit
 
2012-06-28 11:04:01 PM

clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.


With a higher pool your rates should go down. If not, blame the free market.
 
2012-06-28 11:05:08 PM

clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty


Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?
 
2012-06-28 11:05:50 PM

Scrotastic Method: BinkyBoy: AdolfOliverPanties: As we are already off topic, I am closing this thread.

Wait, I don't have that power, so instead I'll comment on the Olympics thing.

POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.

...

Excellent comment. Thank you.

Seriously. Agreeing with Adolf? I wish football season would just start so I could go back to fighting with this guy every few days.


Big Ben is a rapist.
 
2012-06-28 11:06:06 PM

Scrotastic Method: BinkyBoy: AdolfOliverPanties: As we are already off topic, I am closing this thread.

Wait, I don't have that power, so instead I'll comment on the Olympics thing.

POTUS got involved and tried to get the Olympics to come to America. Republicans were against that and vocally cheered us losing out.

...

Excellent comment. Thank you.

Seriously. Agreeing with Adolf? I wish football season would just start so I could go back to fighting with this guy every few days.


They were just laughing at the pitance "offered" to the Olympic Commission.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:25 PM

clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.


You can be irresponsible now for free :p
 
2012-06-28 11:09:43 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?


the first year the minimum penalty is $95
 
2012-06-28 11:11:16 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?


$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.
 
2012-06-28 11:12:39 PM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95


clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.
 
2012-06-28 11:13:07 PM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


it maxes out at 2.5% of salary. For most people that's less than the cost of insurance
 
2012-06-28 11:14:54 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.


As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...
 
2012-06-28 11:15:51 PM
Sensei Can You See:
I wish both sides could say "Look; we all fought hard for our positions in this, but the verdict is in. Let's work together to make this the best solution possible."

But that's probably asking too much.


From a party that has openly stated they would wreck the nation's economy just to aid in partisan attacks on the sitting nigg President? Yes, I think that is likely asking too much.

I am certain that Republican attacks on Obamacare will continue, and the lies and misdirections will not diminish from here on. The focus will simply shift: towards trying to ensure people don't realize how they are immediately benefiting from Obamacare.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:06 PM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...


Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:13 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.


So I can write off my nonpayments then? i mean- what's in this for me?
 
2012-06-28 11:18:47 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.


And even then I think they probably thought of that.
 
2012-06-28 11:19:36 PM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!
 
2012-06-28 11:19:54 PM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.

So I can write off my nonpayments then? i mean- what's in this for me?


What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.
 
2012-06-28 11:20:37 PM

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


Nah, he said he has insurance at $400 a month.
 
2012-06-28 11:21:13 PM

Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.


driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting
 
2012-06-28 11:21:54 PM

Sabyen91: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

Nah, he said he has insurance at $400 a month.


And he doesn't think that's enough? He can flush the rest of the money down the toilet if he likes.
 
2012-06-28 11:22:09 PM

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


stop being so selfish, magusdevil
 
2012-06-28 11:22:47 PM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting


Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.
 
2012-06-28 11:24:31 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.


is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC
 
2012-06-28 11:25:06 PM

clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.


"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...
 
2012-06-28 11:25:55 PM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.

is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC


No, but if you change insurance you don't get pre-existing.
 
2012-06-28 11:27:33 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.

is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC

No, but if you change insurance you don't get pre-existing.


ooh - I think the last time I changed jobs I just had to prove I had insurance previously. No medical or anything.
Did have a medical for life insurance though. Weird peeing in a cup in your own bathroom and handing the cup o' piss to the dude sitting at your dining room table
 
2012-06-28 11:29:32 PM

Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...


yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.
 
2012-06-28 11:30:16 PM
I'm the President, Republican Biatches!


Barack Obama


muzaffarpurshops.com

 
2012-06-28 11:30:45 PM

clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.


I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:06 PM

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.


You are lucky. Don't ever have to take a temp job.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:30 PM
Republicans would rather have Health Care costs eat a significant portion of our GDP while providing comparably worse outcomes than other first world countries all while paying more money for the eventual emergency care of uncovered people than face the horror of a "tax." How stupid and nose-cutting for face-spiting can you be? WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...
 
2012-06-28 11:33:00 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.

You are lucky. Don't ever have to take a temp job.


Whoops, wrong post quoted. Sorry.
 
2012-06-28 11:33:06 PM

jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.

I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.


uhoh, old timer's got a burr in his britches again. That's the sort of shiat they said when you were a kid, right? Ya know, back when the Kaiser stole your word "twenty"?
 
2012-06-28 11:33:22 PM

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-28 11:34:21 PM

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.


He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.
 
2012-06-28 11:35:13 PM

diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]


And if you get hit by a car you are our responsibility. Talk about an idiot.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:01 PM

Rashnu: WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...


HOW ARE WE TRYING TO DO THAT?

This bill does something between dick and jackshiat in terms of addressing the cost of healthcare in the US.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:25 PM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


And the Olympics are related to healthcare in the way that apples are related to isosceles triangles, right?

I mean, as long as we're biatching about Obama, I guess we have to find SOMEthing, right? Nothing else has stuck so far, so let's use the 'He-showed-national-pride-by-wanting-the-Olympics-to-be-held-in-the-US ' approach. Who knows? Maybe this will FINALLY be The One.

/Because we ALL know that the only people who support the Olympics are Muslims, Kenyans and Socialists...
 
2012-06-28 11:36:43 PM
Not saying that two wrongs make a right but I see a hell of a lot worse behavior than this from Republican officials and farkers every day of the week.

An own informal survey on my social networks is that my Democratic friends are hardly mentioning the SCOTUS ruling or Affordable Healthcare Act at all today. I didn't post any staus messages about it.

My Republican friends are loudly crying in their beer and wailing about how they wish they could have their country back and the eeeevils of that god-awful Obamacare. One of them even had the brass to complain about perceived slights and name-calling by Democrats.

Complete lack of self-awareness and Cognitive Dissonance is alive and kicking my friends.

Wheaton's Law biatches. It's not just for gamers.
 
2012-06-28 11:37:08 PM

skullkrusher: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.

I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.

uhoh, old timer's got a burr in his britches again. That's the sort of shiat they said when you were a kid, right? Ya know, back when the Kaiser stole your word "twenty"?


F**k off and get a job, leech.
(Pay it forward)
 
2012-06-28 11:37:59 PM

Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.


whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick
 
2012-06-28 11:38:37 PM

skullkrusher: Rashnu: WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...

HOW ARE WE TRYING TO DO THAT?

This bill does something between dick and jackshiat in terms of addressing the cost of healthcare in the US.


While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.
 
2012-06-28 11:39:05 PM

jso2897: F**k off and get a job, leech.
(Pay it forward)


I plucked a white hair from my nuts the other day. Made me think of you.

/coulda been blond
//think I'll stick with that story
 
2012-06-28 11:39:31 PM

diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]


Please get hit by a bus and prove my point. Or get hit by a train and make me laugh.
 
2012-06-28 11:39:35 PM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick


So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?
 
2012-06-28 11:39:42 PM

skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.


Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.
 
2012-06-28 11:40:36 PM

Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.


it's a step in a direction which is arguably better than standing still.
 
2012-06-28 11:41:46 PM
So a bunch of broke motherfarkers don't want to buy insurance, instead they want to opt out of paying, but still show up at those who carry insurance hospitals and reap the benefits? Hmmm... how about a provision that you can opt out of paying the tax but you forfeit all access to health care unless you put it on your card up front? Sound fair for you broke assholes?
 
2012-06-28 11:42:01 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?


I don't like the mandate but if you're gonna have one you should at least do it effectively. Fining people a fraction of what they would have to pay for insurance probably won't do the trick
 
2012-06-28 11:42:01 PM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


I originally used the term in reference to the people who can afford it but don't get it because they are farking bulletproof. Blame me for the term.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:32 PM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?


So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:31 PM

bonefish: So a bunch of broke motherfarkers don't want to buy insurance, instead they want to opt out of paying, but still show up at those who carry insurance hospitals and reap the benefits? Hmmm... how about a provision that you can opt out of paying the tax but you forfeit all access to health care unless you put it on your card up front? Sound fair for you broke assholes?


You don't seem superior to the working poor. Why are you acting as if you are, you morally bankrupt fark?
 
2012-06-28 11:44:13 PM

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


what the fark are you talking about? He says he is considering being irresponsible - voluntarily not getting insurance - because it is more expensive than the fine. This has farkall to do with anything about people not being able to afford insurance and everything about him being able to afford insurance and choosing not to buy it. Being irresponsible.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:40 PM

Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.


Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.
 
2012-06-28 11:46:19 PM

magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.


a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me
 
2012-06-28 11:47:12 PM

Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.


Yeah, Republicans complaining it doesn't go far enough is...my head is full of fark.
 
2012-06-28 11:48:52 PM

skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me


skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).
 
2012-06-28 11:51:15 PM

Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.


Senator DeMint was only doing his job when he said if the Republicans could stop Obama on healthcare reform, it would be Obama's Waterloo. It would cripple him.

Obama seems to be walking fine for a cripple. I wonder what sad old DeMint is doing now. Besides blaming the darkies.
 
2012-06-28 11:53:11 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Rashnu: Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.

Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.

Senator DeMint was only doing his job when he said if the Republicans could stop Obama on healthcare reform, it would be Obama's Waterloo. It would cripple him.

Obama seems to be walking fine for a cripple. I wonder what sad old DeMint is doing now. Besides blaming the darkies.


I don't remember Waterloo lasting so long.
 
2012-06-28 11:53:18 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me

skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).


You mean Obama is going to "states' rights" us into a single payer system???

I didn't know Obama was a Rebel.
 
2012-06-28 11:53:25 PM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.

a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me

skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).


I said earlier that I'd love to see huge collectives set up for negotiating rates - or even better - large self-insurers where policy holders are also the owners of the "company" with any excess reserves distributed as dividends like a whole life insurance policy. The less money you "borrow" from the policy in the form of medical reimbursements, the more equity you accrue for later in life when the doctor's bills, home care bills, etc increase. This would encourage people to be more careful with what they bill their company for while giving people a cheaper alternative to what they currently can get
 
2012-06-28 11:55:51 PM

FishyFred: "biatch" is a word that shouldn't be trivialized


This made me laugh.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:26 PM

Sabyen91: skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).


You are correct sir.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:57 PM

skullkrusher: I said earlier that I'd love to see huge collectives set up for negotiating rates - or even better - large self-insurers where policy holders are also the owners of the "company" with any excess reserves distributed as dividends like a whole life insurance policy. The less money you "borrow" from the policy in the form of medical reimbursements, the more equity you accrue for later in life when the doctor's bills, home care bills, etc increase. This would encourage people to be more careful with what they bill their company for while giving people a cheaper alternative to what they currently can get


I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.
 
2012-06-29 12:01:00 AM

Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.


the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care
 
2012-06-29 12:01:31 AM

Sabyen91:

I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.


www.pbs.org

"Don't knock holistic until you talk to my medicine man."
 
2012-06-29 12:01:41 AM

Bennie Crabtree: Sabyen91: skull, not sure if it was this thread but I believe this is how Canadian healthcare started. Obamacare has an opt-out for states if it is better than the federal mandate. If states in the NE start with single payer the dominos will fall (not in the Vietnam sense).

You are correct sir.


It gives me hope. I do believe it is inevitable but I think the people who thought if it got shot down we would get single payer sooner are delusional (see HillaryCare). I think going the state route could get us single payer in most states in 30 years.

/I may be insane.
 
2012-06-29 12:02:34 AM

Tellingthem: All this shows to me is that everyone is pretty much the same. Republicans did it in the Wisconsin recall thread and now Democrats are doing it in the Obamacare thread. I wish things would be more civil but maybe that is not who we are as a populace. "They do it so we are going to do it too" seems to rule the day.


If you ever have the illusion we live in a civil society, just listen to your local police scanner for about 3-4 hours on any given night of the week. Civil? Hah. Right.
 
2012-06-29 12:03:10 AM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care


I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.
 
2012-06-29 12:03:58 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Sabyen91:

I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

[www.pbs.org image 225x228]

"Don't knock holistic until you talk to my medicine man."


That dude made a crude copy of me and then had oral sex with it!
 
2012-06-29 12:04:55 AM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.


I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family
 
2012-06-29 12:06:51 AM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family


Maybe...anyway, there are certainly more things to do to lower costs. Holy crap, how about the simple act of allowing re-importation of generic drugs???
 
2012-06-29 12:07:01 AM
You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!
 
2012-06-29 12:10:08 AM

Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!


big-nasty.com

Discount double-check, motherfarkers!
 
2012-06-29 12:14:27 AM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: I was with you until this. Right now there is no "cheaper alternative" to...the doctor. There is not free-market version of healthcare unless you buy into holistic bullsit.

the cheaper alternative was in reference to insurance, not actual health care

I honestly think forcing the insurance companies into the exchanges will truly lower rates. The free market IS good for some things.

I'm not buying it. The exchanges will offer benefits in terms of one stop shopping to compare and contrast different offerings but I don't think they will have a meaningful impact on prices. We have tons of insurers in NY and it still costs $14k a year to insure your family

Maybe...anyway, there are certainly more things to do to lower costs. Holy crap, how about the simple act of allowing re-importation of generic drugs???


save a good chunk o' change with that
 
2012-06-29 12:15:07 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

You sound fat.


fat in your mom's crap hole.
 
2012-06-29 12:15:44 AM
NOBODY FINDS IT SUSPICIOUS THAT ONE OF THE NEWLY APPOINTED SUPREME COURT MEMBERS WHO RULED OVER THIS CASE HELPED CREATE IT!!!!? The timing of this promotion seems to be coincidentally too convenient.

/waiting for tinfoil hat name calling and avoidance of the question...
 
2012-06-29 12:16:42 AM

Tumunga: A Dark Evil Omen: Tumunga: Thrag: Tumunga: "I can make a firm pledge - under my plan, no family making less that $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase." ~ Presidential Candidate Barack Obama in a September 2008 campaign speech in New Hampshire.

What was the plan he was referencing? Was it implemented? Did it actually raise taxes for families making more than 250k?

Or are you, like every other poster who has tried to use this quote today, being intentionally dishonest and trying to make a very specified statement about a particular plan into a general statement cover all possible future policies?

When The One's words smack you in the face, the butthurt roils. Here's a tissue.

You sound fat.

fat in your mom's crap hole.


You are way beyond plonk.
 
2012-06-29 12:16:57 AM
img707.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-29 12:17:49 AM

Ray_Peranus: NOBODY FINDS IT SUSPICIOUS THAT ONE OF THE NEWLY APPOINTED SUPREME COURT MEMBERS WHO RULED OVER THIS CASE HELPED CREATE IT!!!!? The timing of this promotion seems to be coincidentally too convenient.

/waiting for tinfoil hat name calling and avoidance of the question...


Infowars wants its capitalization back.
 
2012-06-29 12:18:31 AM

Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

[big-nasty.com image 200x247]

Discount double-check, motherfarkers!



t.qkme.me
 
2012-06-29 12:18:58 AM

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


So you admit you're a cocktard, then?
 
2012-06-29 12:19:27 AM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

[big-nasty.com image 200x247]

Discount double-check, motherfarkers!


[t.qkme.me image 310x227]


Oh, motherfarking touche I hate that man.
 
2012-06-29 12:19:55 AM

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Bucky Katt: You mean the executive director of the DNC is a partisan figure? I'm absolutely shocked!

[big-nasty.com image 200x247]

Discount double-check, motherfarkers!


[t.qkme.me image 310x227]

Oh, motherfarking touche I hate that man.


hehe
 
2012-06-29 12:22:44 AM
"It's a constitutional tax, biatches"
 
2012-06-29 12:23:24 AM

Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"


About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.
 
2012-06-29 12:26:03 AM
Apparently progress isn't for everyone.
 
2012-06-29 12:41:46 AM

Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.


Shaddup
 
2012-06-29 12:43:21 AM
Political party makes great success with a law/plan/anything of theirs? And they brag? You don't saaaay.
 
2012-06-29 12:54:21 AM

Sensei Can You See: sigdiamond2000: Sensei Can You See: But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

I actually agree with you. And the guy's a f*cking moron for not being able to keep it in his pants.

This. Like I said, we expect farking CHILDREN to walk over to the losing team and say "Good game, guys" and shake hands. But politicians ain't got time for that shiat.


I dunno. I'd find it pretty funny if my little nephew tweeted, "We beat u poopieheads!!!!"
 
2012-06-29 01:01:27 AM

HMS_Blinkin: somedude210: Politics aside, let me tell you something. 3 years ago, I suffered what could best be described as a borderline MS condition by my doctors which left me temporarily paralyzed on one side, forcing me to go into rehab to, among other things, relearn to walk. Though the paralysis went away a month or two later, I was left with scar tissue on my brain from a lesion and permanent loss of vision on one side of both eyes. I now have a higher likelihood of developing some form of MS later in life.

When this all occurred, I was lucky to be a Massachusetts resident because even if I didn't have health insurance through my parents, I still would've been eligible for MassHealth. Outside the state, I wouldn't have had that chance to be insured in case something like that happened to me again. If I was anyone else, this would've been pure bankruptcy, and we shouldn't have that issue. We shouldn't look at someone and see that they've had medical issues, oftentimes through no fault of their own, and deny them the basic humanitarian right to see a doctor and not sell a kidney to pay for it.

So in the coming days and months, you will hear anyone and everyone with an opinion on how this is either the greatest thing in the world or tyranny in the making, but remember one thing: Life throws you curveballs all the time, you don't know if the next day will land you in the hospital, so why should you tempt fate to let you die simply because you weren't rich enough to pay for it on your own? This isn't an issue on constitutional rights, this is an issue on the rights of man. This is a moral act to help those that don't have the means to help themselves. Don't call it an act of oppression, call it an act of love for your fellow human being. Vote in November for who is actually a just and moral person, not the one that happens to be on your team.

Thank you for reading this,
Matt

Let's never forget who would have been happy to let you suffer. Glad you're doing a bit better, b ...


Canadians? It's the damn Canucks that'll make you suffer, right?

No I know, being a moderate republican, it's tough to not have someone in your own party that is actually...you know, republican.

Viva le revolution!
 
2012-06-29 01:05:51 AM

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.


On the one hand, I get where you're coming from, since these people really should be above this.

On the other hand, it's another case of 'just because both sides do it doesnt make it equal'. When you consider that 'biatches' is more of a generality that seems more like a swipe at the other side, and John Boehner's 'The adults are back in charge' sounds less like a generality and is more clearly the House Speaker (an elected official, as opposed to this guy whom I've never heard of) is calling the Democrats children.

So I'm not going to take a swipe at you, because I get where you're coming from. But I am going to say that it's not the same.
 
2012-06-29 01:13:21 AM

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that


Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?
 
2012-06-29 01:31:41 AM

Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.


OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!
 
2012-06-29 01:41:44 AM
I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.
 
2012-06-29 01:46:10 AM

CygnusDarius: I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.


This is not a victory any more than cutting off your dick makes it a victory for your old boyfriend because he can never have you again.

Yay, our taxes went up! We win! Tell me again how much of a winner you are with your severed dick in your hand.
 
2012-06-29 01:47:24 AM

YELLOL: CygnusDarius: I have no problem with them rubbing it on to the Republicans, the same way Republicans have for a while.

This is not a victory any more than cutting off your dick makes it a victory for your old boyfriend because he can never have you again.

Yay, our taxes went up! We win! Tell me again how much of a winner you are with your severed dick in your hand.


[time_to_stop_posting.jpg]
 
2012-06-29 01:49:30 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-29 01:52:32 AM

YELLOL: less services


But we're talking about the actual Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, not the Obummercare that exists only in your fevered imagination.

/has a job
//won't be paying a cent more in taxes due to PPACA
 
2012-06-29 01:54:16 AM

Sabyen91: diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]

And if you get hit by a car you are our responsibility. Talk about an idiot.


Yes, we have established you're an idiot. Your CAR insurance takes care of me, if you are at fault... NOT YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

farm3.static.flickr.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-29 01:55:21 AM

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 604x494]


That would hilarious if true. One trillion isn't gonna even get this turd rolling let alone pay for it ALL.

But parroting for Dear Leader is always approved.
 
2012-06-29 01:55:54 AM

YELLOL: That would hilarious if true. One trillion isn't gonna even get this turd rolling let alone pay for it ALL.


There you go again talking about imaginary Obummercare.
 
2012-06-29 01:56:07 AM
Is that Romney in front of W?

0.tqn.com
 
2012-06-29 01:59:22 AM

Mithiwithi: YELLOL: less services

But we're talking about the actual Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, not the Obummercare that exists only in your fevered imagination.

/has a job
//won't be paying a cent more in taxes due to PPACA


/Has a job too but not one that pays my insurance, I do.
//Talk to your HR manager and ask him if your employer is paying any more for insurance lately. I hope they drop your insurance and make you scramble with the unlucky for insurance.. your tune will change pronto.
 
2012-06-29 02:00:58 AM

InfamousG: Is that Romney in front of W?

[0.tqn.com image 400x266]


Looks like it! If you examine the pixels closely, you can see the outline of the magic underwear.
 
2012-06-29 02:13:47 AM

YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!


Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?
 
2012-06-29 02:14:22 AM

bwilson27: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.

Shaddup


Pass.
 
2012-06-29 02:14:45 AM

Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?


I noticed he didn't back up that derp about "less services" when he responded to my post. What he did do is admit his taxes wouldn't go up either, though I'm not sure if he understood that.
 
2012-06-29 02:17:09 AM

diaphoresis: Sabyen91: diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]

And if you get hit by a car you are our responsibility. Talk about an idiot.

Yes, we have established you're an idiot. Your CAR insurance takes care of me, if you are at fault... NOT YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH INSURANCE.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


You have no brain. You think..."well, if I don't have a car I don't need auto insurance", You have a body so you need health insurance, you dumb motherfarker.
 
2012-06-29 02:17:48 AM

Mithiwithi: Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?

I noticed he didn't back up that derp about "less services" when he responded to my post. What he did do is admit his taxes wouldn't go up either, though I'm not sure if he understood that.


My insurance costs have skyrocketed under Obama. But you and your job at Starbucks or wherever haven't seen your costs go up so nobody else in the world has higher insurance costs, the end, you win.
 
2012-06-29 02:17:58 AM

Mithiwithi: Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?

I noticed he didn't back up that derp about "less services" when he responded to my post. What he did do is admit his taxes wouldn't go up either, though I'm not sure if he understood that.


Yellol is a bad troll. I thought he was a funny troll for awhile. I might have been wrong.
 
2012-06-29 02:19:03 AM

YELLOL: Mithiwithi: Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?

I noticed he didn't back up that derp about "less services" when he responded to my post. What he did do is admit his taxes wouldn't go up either, though I'm not sure if he understood that.

My insurance costs have skyrocketed under Obama. But you and your job at Starbucks or wherever haven't seen your costs go up so nobody else in the world has higher insurance costs, the end, you win.


Your insurance has skyrocketed under Clinton, Bush and Obama. What, you are 12? Never mind.
 
2012-06-29 02:19:09 AM

Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?


And with that you made the troll's list. Bye.
 
2012-06-29 02:20:39 AM

YELLOL: Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?

And with that you made the troll's list. Bye.


OK, NOW I know what irony means.
 
2012-06-29 02:28:50 AM
Excellent, half the thread went away and it's like somebody sprayed some Febreeze on an especially ugly fart. :)

Night all, enjoy your new constitutionally approved tax with less services. You've earned that and you will pay for it... none of this nightmare is going to be free. Good luck with the lower cost exchange options soon ;) to be provided. They were promised and they wouldn't lie about that, lol.
 
2012-06-29 02:29:30 AM

YELLOL: Excellent, half the thread went away and it's like somebody sprayed some Febreeze on an especially ugly fart. :)

Night all, enjoy your new constitutionally approved tax with less services. You've earned that and you will pay for it... none of this nightmare is going to be free. Good luck with the lower cost exchange options soon ;) to be provided. They were promised and they wouldn't lie about that, lol.


What a stupid, stupid person you are.
 
2012-06-29 02:36:24 AM
hey guys.

i found a dignified way to do something.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-29 02:37:00 AM

pacified: hey guys.

i found a dignified way to do something.


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x215]


Shoe!
 
2012-06-29 02:37:47 AM
I'm too tired to read the whole opinion right now, but it looks like Scalia's dissent is--as usual--"We've never done anything like this before, so let's not start now."
 
2012-06-29 02:39:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: I'm too tired to read the whole opinion right now, but it looks like Scalia's dissent is--as usual--"We've never done anything like this before, so let's not start now."


It is more like...Huh? My backers are not going to be happy about this...
 
2012-06-29 02:49:38 AM

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who have a job and those who don't i guess...


FAIL
 
2012-06-29 03:32:52 AM

YELLOL: Mithiwithi: Sabyen91: YELLOL: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and letting anyone ever make any money ever again.

OK, we get it.. how many posts have you trolled in this one article?

This ruling is not a victory in any way unless you like more taxes for less services and then it's a huge score. Yay!

Oh, shut the fark up. Yellol claiming someone ELSE is a troll. Ironic or expected?

I noticed he didn't back up that derp about "less services" when he responded to my post. What he did do is admit his taxes wouldn't go up either, though I'm not sure if he understood that.

My insurance costs have skyrocketed under Obama. But you and your job at Starbucks or wherever haven't seen your costs go up so nobody else in the world has higher insurance costs, the end, you win.


If you have a non-executive job at Starbucks, you don't have insurance costs because you don't have insurance.
 
2012-06-29 03:33:42 AM
Congratulations. You won.

I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail. My employees will have to be fired. I also believe that many employers will end up dropping insurance, and many insurance companies, especially the small ones,

will go out of business. The cost to the government will be far higher that forecast by the CBO. At the same time the cost to you for the insurance that you are now legally obligated to buy will skyrocket.

So spike the football, and then fark the cheerleader under the stands. Shower in our tears, revel in our anguish.

Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.

/my butt hurts so bad it feels like I was anally raped by Godzilla
//And he didn't even use lube
 
2012-06-29 03:43:01 AM

BigBooper: Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.


jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-29 04:01:40 AM

bwilson27: Sabyen91: Irregardless: "It's a constitutional tax, biatches"

About time we stop cutting taxes and killing the country.

Shaddup


Typical republican, won't pay his bills. Just pay your taxes, or move to a place where you get to live as good a lifestyle as you do in the US and pay a lower tax rate. There are dozens of countries out there you can pick from.
 
2012-06-29 04:04:29 AM

BigBooper: ....I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail....


Why not do some actual research, instead of just "believing" things? Oh wait, you're a business owner (I don't believe it for a second)! Everything should stay the way it is, and we should guarantee your business makes a profit!
 
2012-06-29 04:21:19 AM

Sabyen91: YELLOL: Excellent, half the thread went away and it's like somebody sprayed some Febreeze on an especially ugly fart. :)

Night all, enjoy your new constitutionally approved tax with less services. You've earned that and you will pay for it... none of this nightmare is going to be free. Good luck with the lower cost exchange options soon ;) to be provided. They were promised and they wouldn't lie about that, lol.

What a stupid, stupid person you are.


your being kinder than usual tonight*. What's up?


* mean that.
 
2012-06-29 04:32:44 AM
Revisit a thread on the failed attempt to recall Scott Walker for examples of our Republican friends being gracious in victory. The Democrats I've seen today have been happy the decision went our way - because it's a good thing for America - but there hasn't been even close to the level of gloating we saw from the Right.
 
2012-06-29 04:39:59 AM
Actually, if you read it, they said it was unconstitutional and can't stand. It's wrong, and Congress can't do that.

So they just changed the way they law is worded made it fit so it could be legal. Which is just so nice of them.

/not thrilled with the new power the ruling gave Congress here.
//don't care about health care "for the masses".
///looking forward to paying my "don't have a pilots licence" tax, "don't use government funded internet" tax, and "didn't buy a car this year" tax.
 
2012-06-29 04:45:36 AM

ds615: Actually, if you read it, they said it was unconstitutional and can't stand. It's wrong, and Congress can't do that.

So they just changed the way they law is worded made it fit so it could be legal. Which is just so nice of them.

/not thrilled with the new power the ruling gave Congress here.
//don't care about health care "for the masses".
///looking forward to paying my "don't have a pilots licence" tax, "don't use government funded internet" tax, and "didn't buy a car this year" tax.


Well, by that logic, we already have a "Didn't have a child" tax and a "Didn't buy a house" tax. Oh wait, this is somehow different than a deductible because Seekrit Kenyan Muslim Socialism.
 
2012-06-29 05:02:31 AM

ds615: Actually, if you read it, they said it was unconstitutional and can't stand. It's wrong, and Congress can't do that.

So they just changed the way they law is worded made it fit so it could be legal. Which is just so nice of them.

/not thrilled with the new power the ruling gave Congress here.
//don't care about health care "for the masses".
///looking forward to paying my "don't have a pilots licence" tax, "don't use government funded internet" tax, and "didn't buy a car this year" tax.


Well, welcome to my world... I'm not legally allowed to marry who I want, then I pay extra taxes for not getting married.
 
2012-06-29 05:05:14 AM

ghare: BigBooper: ....I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail....

Why not do some actual research, instead of just "believing" things? Oh wait, you're a business owner (I don't believe it for a second)! Everything should stay the way it is, and we should guarantee your business makes a profit!


Ok, Time for my "I'm getting a kick" moment

I'm an insurance broker and I own a small agency, and I'm also on a state legislative board of the largest health insurance industry lobbying group in the country. We try to influence what legislation is passed, and how passed legislation is implemented. Yes, we represent the interests of insurance agents, brokers, and companies. So we've obviously looked at, and have been planning for the implementation of the affordable care act since it was passed. I've talked and worked with this law with everyone from the agents who sell health insurance, to labor attorneys, to the presidents of the health insurance companies that operate in Wisconsin. So yes, I've done a fair bit of research. We're all scared shiatless, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of private insurance. If that's what you want, go ahead and break out the Champagne.

Now we realize that our health system was broken and unsustainable. Guess what. It still is. I guess you can take some satisfaction, that my business, will be destroyed, that my employees will be unemployed, and that will be repeated in the health insurance industry many thousands of times. Unfortunately, healthcare reform will not fix the problems that it is supposed to. In fact it makes them worse. So go ahead and celebrate, dance and piss on our graves. In the end you will have gained nothing.
 
2012-06-29 05:16:40 AM

BigBooper: ghare: BigBooper: ....I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail....

Why not do some actual research, instead of just "believing" things? Oh wait, you're a business owner (I don't believe it for a second)! Everything should stay the way it is, and we should guarantee your business makes a profit!

Ok, Time for my "I'm getting a kick" moment

I'm an insurance broker and I own a small agency, and I'm also on a state legislative board of the largest health insurance industry lobbying group in the country. We try to influence what legislation is passed, and how passed legislation is implemented. Yes, we represent the interests of insurance agents, brokers, and companies. So we've obviously looked at, and have been planning for the implementation of the affordable care act since it was passed. I've talked and worked with this law with everyone from the agents who sell health insurance, to labor attorneys, to the presidents of the health insurance companies that operate in Wisconsin. So yes, I've done a fair bit of research. We're all scared shiatless, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of private insurance. If that's what you want, go ahead and break out the Champagne.

Now we realize that our health system was broken and unsustainable. Guess what. It still is. I guess you can take some satisfaction, that my business, will be destroyed, that my employees will be unemployed, and that will be repeated in the health insurance industry many thousands of times. Unfortunately, healthcare reform will not fix the problems that it is supposed to. In fact it makes them worse. So go ahead and celebrate, dance and piss on our graves. In the end you will have gained nothing.


Ahh, you're a useless middleman who makes my insurance cost more. Well, I feel just as sorry for you and your employees as I do for the guys who used to build computers before Dell, buggy whip manufacturers, Amalgamated Spats, Confederated Slave Holdings, IT guys whose jobs have gone to India, the guys whose jobs Romney shipped to China, and everyone else who has gone out of business or lost a job.

You're just afraid of the changes. Welcome to the 21st century.
 
2012-06-29 05:41:32 AM
What I do as a broker is help businesses and individuals navigate a broken health care system. I educate people; I help them decide what plan is best for them. I also spend a lot of my time fighting with insurance companies to get claims paid. Instead of them trying to figure out why a claim wasn't paid, I do it for them. And if that claim should have been paid, I make damn sure it is paid. Unfortunately I've also been spending a lot of time in the past couple years helping people find health insurance, or government programs when they get laid off; most of the time I get paid nothing for this. Recently I spent the better part of a day getting coverage for a sick infant. The state wouldn't cover the child without financial information about a father that had moved out of state and wanted nothing to do with the kid. If you think insurance companies are hard to deal with, wait till you get the joy of working with the government.
I look at myself like an accountant. I don't have to agree with the system to try to help people navigate it. In fact I agree whole heartedly that our health care and health insurance system is in dire need of reform.
As for what I make, well as a percentage of your health care, my share has been shrinking for years. For every dollar you pay in health insurance, agents make on average about three cents.
What I'd like to see is an option for you to buy your insurance with or without me. If you chose to save the money and you want to do it yourself, feel free to go direct and save the money. However, if you want someone to help guide you, and help you deal with the insurance companies, than you can choose to buy your insurance through me.
As it stands, you don't have that choice. It's like being told that you have to do your own taxes; that you can't use an accountant.
 
2012-06-29 05:45:32 AM
In case you guys are wondering - 4chan was down for maintenance last night.
Always seems to coincide with a troll infestation here.........hmmm.
 
2012-06-29 05:48:37 AM

BigBooper: In the end you will have gained nothing.


It's telling that you consider making coverage available to people who currently can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions to be "nothing gained". It's even more telling that it comes after a plea for compassion... for you.
 
2012-06-29 06:09:16 AM
And sitting VP Dick Cheney, while on the Senate floor and with live mics, told Patrick Leahy, "Go f**k yourself."

Classy.

Even classier: When asked later about it by Dennis Miller, Cheney took the opportunity to make amends...no, of course not; "You'd be surprised how many people liked that," he told Miller. "It's sort of the best thing I ever did." (It's at this link, or at least it will be if the Fark filter doesn't mess up the URL...)
 
2012-06-29 06:15:30 AM

The Why Not Guy: BigBooper: In the end you will have gained nothing.

It's telling that you consider making coverage available to people who currently can't afford it or have pre-existing conditions to be "nothing gained". It's even more telling that it comes after a plea for compassion... for you.


The end that I talk about is the long run. Sure we cover many more people. And that's great. But how do we pay for that? When far more employers than estimated dump their employee into the exchanges, how do we pay for that? Remember, most people will get subsidies. And business with under fifty employees pay no penalty for ending their health insurance. And for larger employers, the penalty for not providing health insurance is far less than the cost. My largest client will pay two million for health insurance this year. If they dropped their insurance, the "tax" would be $250,000. The employees will be able to go through the exchange, and with the subsidies, most will pay less than they are paying now to get their insurance through the employer. WTF do you think they're going to do?
The penalty tax for an individual who doesn't buy insurance is FAR less than the cost of insurance. Remember, there is no waiting period, there is no pre-existing condition limitations, and you can't be charged more for being sick. If the government doesn't pay for your insurance, why the fark would you buy it when your healthy?

So. Do you really think this system is going to work for long? Are you delusional enough to think that the affordable care act is actually affordable? HELL NO! The whole damn thing will come crashing down. And THAT'S what I mean by in the end you will have gained nothing.

It's like taking a car with a bad transmission and onto the highway, and throwing it into reverse when you hit 88 miles an hour. It's not exactly going to fix things.
 
2012-06-29 06:24:01 AM

Bontesla: Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.

Are you kidding me?

Let the Democrats - and those in need of health care - have some freakin' glory. Do you know what it's like for Democrats lately? Have you seen the news? They're trapped in a country with INSANE people. Pants-on-head-insane. Let them gloat!


THIS.

Look at all the shiat talk and downright lies regarding the Affordable Care Act made by the opposition. Totally crude and tasteless. They deserve to have the ball spiked in their face on this one. Besides, Patrick Gaspard is not a politician in an elected office. He is an executive in a political organization and he represents no district or percentage of the populace. Plus he was just exercising his first amendment rights, at least that is how the opposition justifies their classlessness. To quote Mitt Romney: "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

Look at the bright side, he didn't accuse anyone of being Nazis. That in itself is an improvement.
 
2012-06-29 06:38:05 AM

BigBooper: Congratulations. You won.

I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail. My employees will have to be fired. I also believe that many employers will end up dropping insurance, and many insurance companies, especially the small ones,

will go out of business. The cost to the government will be far higher that forecast by the CBO. At the same time the cost to you for the insurance that you are now legally obligated to buy will skyrocket.

So spike the football, and then fark the cheerleader under the stands. Shower in our tears, revel in our anguish.

Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.

/my butt hurts so bad it feels like I was anally raped by Godzilla
//And he didn't even use lube


What are you some kind of socialist? Why should the government be concerned about your business? If you haven't been able to make the right choices in your line of business, or aren't able to adapt, why should we care? You and your ilk are buggy whip manufacturers, unable to adapt to a changing market. Your employees? They made a bad decision. So, now we are supposed to protect your deadbeat employees from their bad decisions? Whatever happened to freedom and personal responsibility?

Free market. Best be grabbing onto your bootstraps.
 
2012-06-29 06:48:46 AM

what_now: Sensei Can You See: A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics

...why? Every single nation on earth considers it an honor. It raises a LOT of money.

Why, exactly, would you be opposed to it?



Ya sure about that?
 
2012-06-29 06:51:52 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: Free market. Best be grabbing onto your bootstraps.


I'm not sure it can be considered a free market issue if your industry is nationalized.

But nice try anyways.
 
2012-06-29 06:58:12 AM

BigBooper: I'm not sure it can be considered a free market issue if your industry is nationalized.


I didn't think there were still people who believe the ACA nationalized the health insurance industry...
 
2012-06-29 07:26:24 AM

baka-san: F*CK YOU IN YOUR HOMOPHOBIC RACIST THEOCRACY LOVING ASSES,

Love,
Baka-San


Yo, Baka-San, nice troll. However plenty of Christians and other believers voted for Obama and backed him on this issue. The United States finally catches up to the rest of the world.
 
2012-06-29 07:29:11 AM

Kurmudgeon: The United States finally catches up to the rest of the world.


Hardly. Affordable insurance is still coupled to employment, and the insurance industry has never had a tighter grip on our balls.
 
2012-06-29 07:33:30 AM

GoldSpider: BigBooper: I'm not sure it can be considered a free market issue if your industry is nationalized.

I didn't think there were still people who believe the ACA nationalized the health insurance industry...


Not news: yet another farkwit complaining about ACA actually had no idea what's in it.
 
2012-06-29 07:39:17 AM

bonefish: So a bunch of broke motherfarkers don't want to buy insurance, instead they want to opt out of paying, but still show up at those who carry insurance hospitals and reap the benefits? Hmmm... how about a provision that you can opt out of paying the tax but you forfeit all access to health care unless you put it on your card up front? Sound fair for you broke assholes?


That's just not a good idea. We should not be so heartless to the woefully stupid.

"Wait! I'm sorry I got into that terrible car accident that mangled my body and is costing me more money than I have! Please keep treating me!"

"Sorry, asshole, you were one of those idiots that thought nothing bad would ever happen to you. Eat shiat and die. Literally. A nurse will be by to kick your free-loading ass to the curb shortly."
 
2012-06-29 07:41:01 AM

BigBooper: What I do as a broker is help businesses and individuals navigate a broken health care system. I educate people; I help them decide what plan is best for them. I also spend a lot of my time fighting with insurance companies to get claims paid. Instead of them trying to figure out why a claim wasn't paid, I do it for them. And if that claim should have been paid, I make damn sure it is paid. Unfortunately I've also been spending a lot of time in the past couple years helping people find health insurance, or government programs when they get laid off; most of the time I get paid nothing for this. Recently I spent the better part of a day getting coverage for a sick infant. The state wouldn't cover the child without financial information about a father that had moved out of state and wanted nothing to do with the kid. If you think insurance companies are hard to deal with, wait till you get the joy of working with the government.
I look at myself like an accountant. I don't have to agree with the system to try to help people navigate it. In fact I agree whole heartedly that our health care and health insurance system is in dire need of reform.
As for what I make, well as a percentage of your health care, my share has been shrinking for years. For every dollar you pay in health insurance, agents make on average about three cents.
What I'd like to see is an option for you to buy your insurance with or without me. If you chose to save the money and you want to do it yourself, feel free to go direct and save the money. However, if you want someone to help guide you, and help you deal with the insurance companies, than you can choose to buy your insurance through me.
As it stands, you don't have that choice. It's like being told that you have to do your own taxes; that you can't use an accountant.


I don't care about technology advancing, The government must stop computers and word processing programs from coming to the market, just think what this will do to my typewriter business!
 
2012-06-29 07:41:21 AM

BigBooper: Now we realize that our health system was broken and unsustainable. Guess what. It still is. I guess you can take some satisfaction, that my business, will be destroyed, that my employees will be unemployed, and that will be repeated in the health insurance industry many thousands of times. Unfortunately, healthcare reform will not fix the problems that it is supposed to. In fact it makes them worse. So go ahead and celebrate, dance and piss on our graves. In the end you will have gained nothing.


So what have you and your fellow members of the industry done to trry and fix your industry? What have you done to try and increase coverage for the poor and those with pre-exiting conditions? What have you done to lower costs and provide better car for your customers? Do you even consider those issues , or is your own bottom line the only thing you care about?

How many millions of AmeriCcans without access to quality healthcare must we accept to save your precious business?
 
2012-06-29 07:43:03 AM
What pre-mature spiking of the football may look like:

Link

Hooray! Millions of Americans and their children no longer have healthcare! Let me do my happy dance! Wait, it didn't get overturned? I sure hope nobody had a cell phone with a camera turned on!
 
2012-06-29 07:46:54 AM

Zalan: What pre-mature spiking of the football may look like:

Link

Hooray! Millions of Americans and their children no longer have healthcare! Let me do my happy dance! Wait, it didn't get overturned? I sure hope nobody had a cell phone with a camera turned on!


That screeching scared the ever loving shiat out of my cat. Thanks.
 
2012-06-29 07:48:23 AM

Kome: ... I would have called a press conference just to say "Hey, Republicans, go f*ck yourselves for trying so hard to get this important legislation overturned. Go f*ck yourselves for lying, from day goddamn one, about anything and everything in it from death panels to broccoli. Today you lost, because you're f*cking losers who don't have the slightest clue about either what's right for this country or what's legal according to our Constitution. Director of the DNC, out!"

And I lean conservative.


I would send a crisp, new 20 dollar bill to the DCCC immediately if that happened. And I suspect I would not be alone.
 
2012-06-29 07:49:04 AM
Y

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


Atlanta brought computerized graphics and videos and a delegation of 300 people as part of its $7 million drive, perhaps the most elaborate and expensive bid in history. Also shown to the Olympic committee this morning was a special appeal for support by President Bush.

New York Times on Atlanta's selection as host for the 1996 Olympics
 
2012-06-29 07:55:21 AM

BigBooper: We're all scared shiatless, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of private insurance. If that's what you want, go ahead and break out the Champagne.


Private health insurers manage to turn a profit under Medicare/Medicaid in the US, and under single-payer/national/universal public health insurance in other countries, so it seems unlikely that Obamacare will end them.

/sounds like greater penalties for lack of coverage would address most of your concerns
 
2012-06-29 07:57:53 AM

thisispete: Atlanta brought computerized graphics and videos and a delegation of 300 people as part of its $7 million drive, perhaps the most elaborate and expensive bid in history. Also shown to the Olympic committee this morning was a special appeal for support by President Bush.


Why are you bringing up facts to confuse the issue? Besides that was TOTALLY different plus B-B-B-Bush!
 
2012-06-29 08:08:40 AM

mrshowrules: Diogenes: mrshowrules: Now he just has to keep on saying repeal and replace. I don't see this hurting him at all but it wouldn't surprise me if he manages to fark it up some way.

Maybe not. But it infuriates me that he's allowed to get away with this. He actually gave a solid defense of the mandate during the primary debates.

But why is it good at the state level and not the national? Notice I said "good" and not "permissible." The only explanation Romney's given is that it was permissible at the state level. But that doesn't make it good.

So I say to Mr. Romney - You defended your program by demonstrating how we all pay for the uninsured, and a mandate with a penalty is means of containing costs and increasing participation. Absent a nationalized individual mandate, how do you propose we pay for the health care needs of the of the uninsured? Why should responsible taxpayers pay for the care of the uninsured?

Because DC is bad. Federal Government bad. Big Government bad. State's rights sells well to his base and even to some Independents. The mandate was always a weakness in his campaign but not any more so after this ruling. It being overturned would have been much trickier for him to deal with IMHO. Not really sure.

I don't see this as a victory for either Obama or the DNC. Perhaps a vindication. Mostly it is just a complete failure of the tea party and that is why it gives me a happy.


See, that's where you're wrong. The decision only proved that SCoTUS declared it constitutional which is a setback more than a failure. The tea party can only fail if they can't get a Republican in the White House, or if they fail to get a republican Congress in the next election.

If you think this is over and that the right will just drop it now, I'm afraid your sadly mistaken.
 
2012-06-29 08:11:24 AM
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2012-06-29 08:13:59 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: BigBooper: We're all scared shiatless, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of private insurance. If that's what you want, go ahead and break out the Champagne.

Private health insurers manage to turn a profit under Medicare/Medicaid in the US, and under single-payer/national/universal public health insurance in other countries, so it seems unlikely that Obamacare will end them.

/sounds like greater penalties for lack of coverage would address most of your concerns


And if private health insurers do go out of business, who cares? The private health insurance business model has never worked to provide affordable insurance coverage to all people who need and want it. And it's not like the model is some sacrosanct idea ordained from on high. It's only about a hundred years old, and as soon as medical technology advanced beyond the "Hey, try this!" stage, its flaws became immediately obvious. For Christ sake, the private health insurance business model was originally illegal due to inherent conflicts of interest. It creates massive flaws in the allocation of health care resources, siphons off money better used for the provision of health care in the form of bureaucracy and profit, and, once the private health care insurance model totally fails we can finally put into place a model that actually addresses the needs of everyone instead of the health insurance companies bottom-line. I will not weep for the insurance companies, they had their chance to create a health care system that worked for everyone, and they failed. Time to move on.
 
2012-06-29 08:19:24 AM
BigBooper
farm4.staticflickr.com
LOL as a former pure IT worker there is a light at the end of the tunnel... Hopefully yours doesn't end in being t-boned after a suicide attempt.
 
2012-06-29 08:23:03 AM
They threw a hail mary, it bounced off of the intended receiver and another guy caught the ball right before it hit the ground.

Instead of gloating like a fool, just celebrate a bit and get to the locker room.
 
2012-06-29 08:24:16 AM

firefly212: Good. Republicans were fighting to kill the only healthcare law in the last 15 years that actually did something substantial to get more people insured. I can get insurance through the high-risk exchange, but Republicans were fighting diligently to keep poor working people like me uninsured even though I have MS and my drug costs easily exceed my income some months. They were trying to keep me from getting the drugs that keep me alive... so if all it takes for you to get upset is a little gloating, go fark yourself, try having a major political party arguing that the economically valid position for you is "dead."


I'm sorry that you have MS, but you do realize that you're still going to be paying OUT THE ASS for those drugs, right?

The insurance companies still do not have any competition, and medical suppliers, hospitals and drug companies are still overcharging for everything you use. Malpractice insurers are jacking up rates for doctors still. All of those things are driving the cost of health insurance and it's folly to think that by requiring everyone to buy insurance that everything is going to get cheaper. Unless the private companies that run hospitals and supply the needed equipment/medications are forced to stop overcharging, nothing will get cheaper.

It's just like social security. You're forced to pay in, it might pay for the most basic of needs in this economy, and a 20 to 30 year old now might not ever see the benefits.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
2012-06-29 08:28:10 AM

Lando Lincoln: Zalan: What pre-mature spiking of the football may look like:

Link

Hooray! Millions of Americans and their children no longer have healthcare! Let me do my happy dance! Wait, it didn't get overturned? I sure hope nobody had a cell phone with a camera turned on!

That screeching scared the ever loving shiat out of my cat. Thanks.


Ya gotta keep those furry little monsters on their toes. Mine is out on the balcony right now watching the cars go by on the road and looking for moths/lizards.
 
2012-06-29 08:28:59 AM
fuhfuhfuh: I say, old bean, 'twas quite the tuffle you and I had recently. Many a hearty barb was traded, no doubt. However I must digress from our usual back and forth. You know, you insinuating that my mother was of low virtue whilst I would vainly attempt to meet such vitriol with reason. Anyways, I am terribly sorry for such a digression, but I wished to offer a most sincere and deeply felt opinion that I have been harboring of late.

F*ck you.

With utmost respect, The Executive Director of the DNC


Your posts will now have a new background color as far as this poster is concerned!!
 
2012-06-29 08:30:48 AM
"See now you're gonna wanna look out.."

0.tqn.com

"....'cause that whole ecomeny thing is gonna come crashing down just like this"
 
2012-06-29 08:30:51 AM
The President, Congress, and now the Supreme Court have approved the ACA.

But we are living in a dictatorship and new taxes and promises broken!!111

Republicans are really this farking stupid, more tears!!
 
2012-06-29 08:32:27 AM

keylock71: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x524]


In a back ally knife fight, who would win? Munchkin Boehner or Oompa Loompa Boehner?
 
2012-06-29 08:32:28 AM

thisispete: Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.

Atlanta brought computerized graphics and videos and a delegation of 300 people as part of its $7 million drive, perhaps the most elaborate and expensive bid in history. Also shown to the Olympic committee this morning was a special appeal for support by President Bush.

New York Times on Atlanta's selection as host for the 1996 Olympics


Sensei, get your Republican ass back in here so it can be handed to you.
 
2012-06-29 08:34:01 AM

ManRay: Instead of gloating like a fool, just celebrate a bit and get to the locker room.


Considering what the Democrats have had to put up with, I think a little schadenfreude is well overdue.

/Not a Democrat.
//Still feeling the schadenfreude.
 
2012-06-29 08:35:29 AM

RyogaM: And if private health insurers do go out of business, who cares? The private health insurance business model has never worked to provide affordable insurance coverage to all people who need and want it. And it's not like the model is some sacrosanct idea ordained from on high. It's only about a hundred years old, and as soon as medical technology advanced beyond the "Hey, try this!" stage, its flaws became immediately obvious. For Christ sake, the private health insurance business model was originally illegal due to inherent conflicts of interest. It creates massive flaws in the allocation of health care resources, siphons off money better used for the provision of health care in the form of bureaucracy and profit, and, once the private health care insurance model totally fails we can finally put into place a model that actually addresses the needs of everyone instead of the health insurance companies bottom-line. I will not weep for the insurance companies, they had their chance to create a health care system that worked for everyone, and they failed. Time to move on.


Apparently there was a massive failure and exodus of Health insurance companies out of Massachusetts because of Romneycare that I am not aware of.

Or is this another thing that only exists in the conservative reality?
 
2012-06-29 08:38:54 AM
Republicans:

farm2.staticflickr.com

People getting insurance! Its the end of the world!
 
2012-06-29 08:43:29 AM

BigBooper: I'm an Egyptian!: Free market. Best be grabbing onto your bootstraps.

I'm not sure it can be considered a free market issue if your industry is nationalized.

But nice try anyways.


First, the market is not nationalized (but nice try anyways). Secondly, the fact you are on here complaining that you are not able to do business in this changing environment tells me that your business deserves to fail. Businesses that are unable to adapt and innovate do not deserve to continue. You decided to work in a failing industry, and it's not my responsibility to protect you from your poor decisions.
 
2012-06-29 08:44:21 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-29 08:48:19 AM
At what point during this 'massive destruction of the United States' does the whining and crying of the Republican Party play? Is it the big lead-up until one of their tiny-dicked members stands up to 'not take any more' and starts making plans to make Palin automatically president, or the point of no return when they decide to make 'standing armies' that only serve to have the local Walmart managers rub their hands together and jack up the price of .22 ammo?

The Republican mindset is a cinematic one. So what does this expansion of insurance to the poor really play in this drama that most of these fat, sad, and ugly white people playact instead of actually living their lives? I'm at a loss, really. . Then again, I'm not a self-loathing bag of shiat who projects their racist fantasies into politics like the Republicans do, so I wouldn't know.
 
2012-06-29 08:49:52 AM
What I haven't heard mentioned here is that suddenly the Health Care industry is going to start campaigning hard for Obama. The HCI makes up roughly 20% of the nation's economy and they aren't going to give up easily.

You also now have a few million old people who are going to have access to better coverage than what they were getting and we all know old people vote like it's bingo.

The Obamachine may run rampant in the next few months and all those Repubs who were in the pocket of the HCI may have to STFU and keep their heads down.
 
2012-06-29 08:52:11 AM

Sensei Can You See: MayContainHorseGluten: Your tears are delicious, subby.

Subby here. I'm actually rather surprised at the ruling; I expected the only real question to be whether the mandate was severable. But no, I'm not gnashing my teeth and tearing out my hair. We'll see how well the bill works now in real life.

But the reason I submitted this is because gloating like that is just plain undignified, and doggone if I don't wish politicians on both sides of the aisle to show the same decorum as, say, a Little League team that just won.

But that may be expecting too much.


I am with you subby. After Congresswoman Giffords was shot and the Democrats incorrectly blamed Tea Party crazies, there was a call for civility in politics. The continued lack of civility on both sides doesn't help anyone.
 
2012-06-29 08:53:47 AM
I love that this is now the ad on the sidebar.

pagead2.googlesyndication.com

Yes the guy who created the model for Obama's Health Care Bill as Governor of Massachusetts is the man you Freepers need to donate money to in order to kill it.

Oh this election will be so fun.
 
2012-06-29 09:10:01 AM

DarnoKonrad: keylock71: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x524]

In a back ally knife fight, who would win? Munchkin Boehner or Oompa Loompa Boehner?


Draw... Both combatants slice each other to shreds with nothing remaining but a sticky orange goo.
 
2012-06-29 09:14:53 AM

skykid: I love that this is now the ad on the sidebar.

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x239]

Yes the guy who created the model for Obama's Health Care Bill as Governor of Massachusetts is the man you Freepers need to donate money to in order to kill it.

Oh this election will be so fun.


I feel a little bad for them, actually. If they had a half-way decent candidate, riding the wave of anger yesterday's decision caused might actually get them somewhere. Instead, the only person they have to turn to, the only man they can hope will save them, is Mitt Romney. Seriously, Mitt Romney is their Obi-wan.

No wonder there's talk of armed revolution. The instability of this group scares me.

I am, however, actually looking forward to the presidential debates.
 
2012-06-29 09:18:01 AM

keylock71: DarnoKonrad: keylock71: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x524]

In a back ally knife fight, who would win? Munchkin Boehner or Oompa Loompa Boehner?

Draw... Both combatants slice each other to shreds with nothing remaining but a sticky orange goo.


the viewer wins
 
2012-06-29 09:22:49 AM

Brandyelf: skykid: I love that this is now the ad on the sidebar.

[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 300x239]

Yes the guy who created the model for Obama's Health Care Bill as Governor of Massachusetts is the man you Freepers need to donate money to in order to kill it.

Oh this election will be so fun.

I feel a little bad for them, actually. If they had a half-way decent candidate, riding the wave of anger yesterday's decision caused might actually get them somewhere. Instead, the only person they have to turn to, the only man they can hope will save them, is Mitt Romney. Seriously, Mitt Romney is their Obi-wan.

No wonder there's talk of armed revolution. The instability of this group scares me.

I am, however, actually looking forward to the presidential debates.


I'm looking forward to the the next Beck rally. A sea of thousands of Rascals holding misspelled racist signs. The fight isn't over yet. FREEEDOOOM!

Rally name?

"Rescue the Constitution"

or

"Save America"
 
2012-06-29 09:33:17 AM

BigBooper: ghare: BigBooper: ....I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail....

Why not do some actual research, instead of just "believing" things? Oh wait, you're a business owner (I don't believe it for a second)! Everything should stay the way it is, and we should guarantee your business makes a profit!

Ok, Time for my "I'm getting a kick" moment

I'm an insurance broker and I own a small agency, and I'm also on a state legislative board of the largest health insurance industry lobbying group in the country. We try to influence what legislation is passed, and how passed legislation is implemented. Yes, we represent the interests of insurance agents, brokers, and companies. So we've obviously looked at, and have been planning for the implementation of the affordable care act since it was passed. I've talked and worked with this law with everyone from the agents who sell health insurance, to labor attorneys, to the presidents of the health insurance companies that operate in Wisconsin. So yes, I've done a fair bit of research. We're all scared shiatless, we are witnessing the beginning of the end of private insurance. If that's what you want, go ahead and break out the Champagne.

Now we realize that our health system was broken and unsustainable. Guess what. It still is. I guess you can take some satisfaction, that my business, will be destroyed, that my employees will be unemployed, and that will be repeated in the health insurance industry many thousands of times. Unfortunately, healthcare reform will not fix the problems that it is supposed to. In fact it makes them worse. So go ahead and celebrate, dance and piss on our graves. In the end you will have gained nothing.


But after dealing with my farking insurance yesterday (they wouldn't cover a particular type of eye-drop I needed and I could not afford it otherwise) I gotta say, I ain't gonna piss on your grave. I'm going to spit on it. Good riddance to the middlemen. I am so sick of free market death panels telling me what's best for me against my doctor. Bring on the ACA and, hopefully, single payer in the decade.

/Bitter.
 
2012-06-29 09:41:03 AM
It's also constitutional for us to ignore it, since no citizen of the United States is an entity of interstate commerce.

I, sir, am a Sole Propriety and EXEMPT from having to carry such a policy.
 
2012-06-29 10:19:50 AM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax. Now he's just made the biggest tax increase in global history, the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history (and yes that's those below $200,000) and basically given Romney the presidency. Haha libs. You own this. biatches.


citationneeded.jpg
 
2012-06-29 10:33:34 AM
www.pbs.org

It's constitutional? Well, shiat.
 
2012-06-29 10:39:13 AM

thisispete: YSensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.

Atlanta brought computerized graphics and videos and a delegation of 300 people as part of its $7 million drive, perhaps the most elaborate and expensive bid in history. Also shown to the Olympic committee this morning was a special appeal for support by President Bush.

New York Times on Atlanta's selection as host for the 1996 Olympics


This is the type of bullshiat that pisses me off about today's conservative movement. They do not debate things on the issues, they attack and vilify. If reality disagrees they just pull shiat out of their asses like this and blatantly lie. If I had a quarter for every action taken by Obama which has been a mundane task for every previous president which all of a sudden has been twisted into an act of brazen treason by the conservative talking heads, I would be a very wealthy "job creator".
 
2012-06-29 10:43:17 AM

radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax.


I don't care if they call it a mandate, a tax or a farking blue elephant.

"Tax" is only three letters, not four.
 
2012-06-29 10:46:08 AM
Getting a lecture from Republicans on grace and dignity is like getting a lecture from the Pope on bedroom technique.
 
2012-06-29 11:07:29 AM

Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?


How did you think we were going to pay insurance subsidies?
 
2012-06-29 11:24:06 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: radioshack: Oh yeah, t's constitutional. But only as a tax, biatches. And for years Obama has argued it wasn't a tax, has called out people for saying it was one. Denigrated those who called it so. And now the Supremes say it's only constitutional if it is a tax.

I don't care if they call it a mandate, a tax or a farking blue elephant.

"Tax" is only three letters, not four.


When the tax is paid to a private company (the individual mandate), then it's legalized robbery.

I don't care if they are considering the non-compliance fine a tax, but requiring citizens to buy something from a private company is wrong.
 
2012-06-29 11:26:25 AM

skullkrusher: Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?

How did you think we were going to pay insurance subsidies?


I repeat, who exactly would those people be?
 
2012-06-29 11:28:58 AM

Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?

How did you think we were going to pay insurance subsidies?

I repeat, who exactly would those people be?


Shall I repeat the link? It's spelled out in there.
 
2012-06-29 11:44:12 AM

skullkrusher: Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: Boudica's War Tampon: Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!

Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!

Amazing how two sides can look at the same thing and see it completely different. I guess it's just politics.

Selfish pricks vs. people who have hearts.

people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't?

/I know, I know. You already said that

Who exactly would those people be? Or are we going with an "Area man passionately believes his taxes have gone up" interpretation here?

How did you think we were going to pay insurance subsidies?

I repeat, who exactly would those people be?

Shall I repeat the link? It's spelled out in there.


All of that is common knowledge, which is why I'm not sure why you're linking to that. The measures put in place in order to keep the legislation revenue neutral are pretty well-known, as is the fact that any person who reads them and comes away convinced that his taxes are going up is either A) quite rich or not a person at all, or B) having a serious Area Man moment.
 
2012-06-29 11:46:16 AM

Biological Ali: All of that is common knowledge, which is why I'm not sure why you're linking to that. The measures put in place in order to keep the legislation revenue neutral are pretty well-known, as is the fact that any person who reads them and comes away convinced that his taxes are going up is either A) quite rich or not a person at all, or B) having a serious Area Man moment.


what's your point, chief?
 
2012-06-29 11:49:57 AM

skullkrusher: Biological Ali: All of that is common knowledge, which is why I'm not sure why you're linking to that. The measures put in place in order to keep the legislation revenue neutral are pretty well-known, as is the fact that any person who reads them and comes away convinced that his taxes are going up is either A) quite rich or not a person at all, or B) having a serious Area Man moment.

what's your point, chief?


That you should have picked a better platitude to try to counter Sabyen's with? Unless you were trying to reinforce his point, in which case, my bad.
 
2012-06-29 11:49:59 AM

Mr. Breeze: It's just like social security. You're forced to pay in, it might pay for the most basic of needs in this economy, and a 20 to 30 year old now might not ever see the benefits.


SS isn't going anywhere unless Republicans convince the nation to shut it down instead of properly fund it.
 
2012-06-29 11:59:01 AM

Biological Ali: skullkrusher: Biological Ali: All of that is common knowledge, which is why I'm not sure why you're linking to that. The measures put in place in order to keep the legislation revenue neutral are pretty well-known, as is the fact that any person who reads them and comes away convinced that his taxes are going up is either A) quite rich or not a person at all, or B) having a serious Area Man moment.

what's your point, chief?

That you should have picked a better platitude to try to counter Sabyen's with? Unless you were trying to reinforce his point, in which case, my bad.


in order for someone to be a "selfish prick" in this regard, would they not have to be on the hook for the costs of it in some way? Kinda hard to be a "selfish prick" if you can only stand to gain from something, no? Conversely, in order to "have a heart" do you not have to be impacted negatively in some way? If I tell you to give a homeless guy on the street $20, am I having a heart while you're a selfish prick if you refuse?
 
2012-06-29 12:01:25 PM

Smackledorfer: Mr. Breeze: It's just like social security. You're forced to pay in, it might pay for the most basic of needs in this economy, and a 20 to 30 year old now might not ever see the benefits.

SS isn't going anywhere unless Republicans convince the nation to shut it down instead of properly fund it.


I'm not sure if the Democrats plan of ignoring SS until it runs dry is any better.
 
2012-06-29 12:06:32 PM

Mr. Breeze: Smackledorfer: Mr. Breeze: It's just like social security. You're forced to pay in, it might pay for the most basic of needs in this economy, and a 20 to 30 year old now might not ever see the benefits.

SS isn't going anywhere unless Republicans convince the nation to shut it down instead of properly fund it.

I'm not sure if the Democrats plan of ignoring SS until it runs dry is any better.


SVR?
 
2012-06-29 12:09:49 PM

skullkrusher: in order for someone to be a "selfish prick" in this regard, would they not have to be on the hook for the costs of it in some way? Kinda hard to be a "selfish prick" if you can only stand to gain from something, no? Conversely, in order to "have a heart" do you not have to be impacted negatively in some way? If I tell you to give a homeless guy on the street $20, am I having a heart while you're a selfish prick if you refuse?


Your concern is easily addressed by including one additional pair of categories. For the rich people whose taxes are going up, the "selfish prick" vs "have a heart" dichotomy stands.

Everybody else can be categorized based on the degree to which they know what the bill actually will (or won't) do to their taxes. We can call this the "people who know things" vs "people who don't know things" dichotomy. Though there may be some slight overlap - for example, a person who mistakenly believes his taxes are going up but is okay with that could additionally be placed into the "have a heart" category.
 
2012-06-29 12:18:36 PM

Biological Ali: Your concern is easily addressed by including one additional pair of categories. For the rich people whose taxes are going up, the "selfish prick" vs "have a heart" dichotomy stands.


and what did I say? That you could just as easily say that it breaks down to those who have to pay more (you have to refuse to pay more in order to be a selfish prick) vs those that don't. So now you agree. Great. Only took a few hours to realize that

Biological Ali: Everybody else can be categorized based on the degree to which they know what the bill actually will (or won't) do to their taxes. We can call this the "people who know things" vs "people who don't know things" dichotomy. Though there may be some slight overlap - for example, a person who mistakenly believes his taxes are going up but is okay with that could additionally be placed into the "have a heart" category.


that's great. Really has farkall to do with what I said though
 
2012-06-29 12:30:22 PM

skullkrusher: and what did I say? That you could just as easily say that it breaks down to those who have to pay more (you have to refuse to pay more in order to be a selfish prick) vs those that don't. So now you agree. Great. Only took a few hours to realize that


What? That doesn't make sense. There are people who will be paying more who will whine about taxes (selfish pricks) and people who will be paying more who won't whine about taxes (have a heart). The earlier categories don't "break down" into these, since they're only describing one subset of the new ones (people who will be paying more).


that's great. Really has farkall to do with what I said though


You talked about "people who are gonna see their taxes raised vs. those who aren't" - the obvious problem being that the latter don't fit into the earlier equation at all. So one has to come up with a whole other set of categories in order to include them.
 
2012-06-29 12:48:58 PM

Biological Ali: What? That doesn't make sense. There are people who will be paying more who will whine about taxes (selfish pricks) and people who will be paying more who won't whine about taxes (have a heart).


this is true. However, those who don't have to pay more really don't "have a heart" relative to those who do since they have nothing to lose. Basically boils down to that it is easy to be compassionate and want to help people if doing so means you don't have to do anything. Easy to be Mother Teresa in that case.

Those who will see their taxes raised and are cool with it are the ones truly "having a heart". Looking at people from a position of no negative personal effect and telling them to have a heart is just as bullshiat as me calling you a selfish prick for not handing over your $20. Are you a dick for not doing so or complaining about it? Depending on the circumstances, sure, maybe. Am I being compassionate by ordering you to fork over your $20 while my wallet stays in my pocket? Meh. Need to do apples to apples.
 
2012-06-29 12:49:32 PM

YELLOL: Mithiwithi: YELLOL: less services

But we're talking about the actual Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, not the Obummercare that exists only in your fevered imagination.

/has a job
//won't be paying a cent more in taxes due to PPACA

/Has a job too but not one that pays my insurance, I do.
//Talk to your HR manager and ask him if your employer is paying any more for insurance lately. I hope they drop your insurance and make you scramble with the unlucky for insurance.. your tune will change pronto.


Maybe you should get all bootstrappy and find an employer that gives you insurance coverage. That is, instead of hoping it gets taken away from everyone else.
 
2012-06-29 12:53:23 PM

BigBooper: Congratulations. You won.

I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail. My employees will have to be fired. I also believe that many employers will end up dropping insurance, and many insurance companies, especially the small ones,

will go out of business. The cost to the government will be far higher that forecast by the CBO. At the same time the cost to you for the insurance that you are now legally obligated to buy will skyrocket.

So spike the football, and then fark the cheerleader under the stands. Shower in our tears, revel in our anguish.

Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.

/my butt hurts so bad it feels like I was anally raped by Godzilla
//And he didn't even use lube


Hope your business fails, we don't need more leeches taking money from people not to provide care. If your business fails then maybe it wasn't strong enough to compete in the free market. Too bad.
 
2012-06-29 01:00:43 PM

ghare: BigBooper: ....I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail....

Why not do some actual research, instead of just "believing" things? Oh wait, you're a business owner (I don't believe it for a second)! Everything should stay the way it is, and we should guarantee your business makes a profit!


BigBooper: What I do as a broker is help businesses and individuals navigate a broken health care system. I educate people; I help them decide what plan is best for them. I also spend a lot of my time fighting with insurance companies to get claims paid. Instead of them trying to figure out why a claim wasn't paid, I do it for them. And if that claim should have been paid, I make damn sure it is paid. Unfortunately I've also been spending a lot of time in the past couple years helping people find health insurance, or government programs when they get laid off; most of the time I get paid nothing for this. Recently I spent the better part of a day getting coverage for a sick infant. The state wouldn't cover the child without financial information about a father that had moved out of state and wanted nothing to do with the kid. If you think insurance companies are hard to deal with, wait till you get the joy of working with the government.
I look at myself like an accountant. I don't have to agree with the system to try to help people navigate it. In fact I agree whole heartedly that our health care and health insurance system is in dire need of reform.
As for what I make, well as a percentage of your health care, my share has been shrinking for years. For every dollar you pay in health insurance, agents make on average about three cents.
What I'd like to see is an option for you to buy your insurance with or without me. If you chose to save the money and you want to do it yourself, feel free to go direct and save the money. However, if you want someone to help guide you, and help you deal with the insurance companies, than you can choose to buy your insurance through me.
As it stands, you don't have that choice. It's like being told that you have to do your own taxes; that you can't use an accountant.


Cheer up, when teh invisible hand decides to slap down your company, Obamacare will make sure you have an opportunity to get affordable insurance. Without paying a broker's commission.
 
2012-06-29 01:05:39 PM

Job Creator: BigBooper: Congratulations. You won.

I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail. My employees will have to be fired. I also believe that many employers will end up dropping insurance, and many insurance companies, especially the small ones,

will go out of business. The cost to the government will be far higher that forecast by the CBO. At the same time the cost to you for the insurance that you are now legally obligated to buy will skyrocket.

So spike the football, and then fark the cheerleader under the stands. Shower in our tears, revel in our anguish.

Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.

/my butt hurts so bad it feels like I was anally raped by Godzilla
//And he didn't even use lube

Hope your business fails, we don't need more leeches taking money from people not to provide care. If your business fails then maybe it wasn't strong enough to compete in the free market. Too bad.


you understand that a health insurance agency and a health insurance company aren't the same thing, right?
 
2012-06-29 01:05:42 PM

skullkrusher: Biological Ali: What? That doesn't make sense. There are people who will be paying more who will whine about taxes (selfish pricks) and people who will be paying more who won't whine about taxes (have a heart).

this is true. However, those who don't have to pay more really don't "have a heart" relative to those who do since they have nothing to lose. Basically boils down to that it is easy to be compassionate and want to help people if doing so means you don't have to do anything. Easy to be Mother Teresa in that case.

Those who will see their taxes raised and are cool with it are the ones truly "having a heart". Looking at people from a position of no negative personal effect and telling them to have a heart is just as bullshiat as me calling you a selfish prick for not handing over your $20. Are you a dick for not doing so or complaining about it? Depending on the circumstances, sure, maybe. Am I being compassionate by ordering you to fork over your $20 while my wallet stays in my pocket? Meh. Need to do apples to apples.


That makes sense. My only point is just that "people who will pay more taxes" versus "people who won't pay more taxes" can't be used synonymously with "people who oppose the law" versus "people who support the law" (or "Taxes! Taxes! Taxes!" versus "Affordable health care! Affordable health care! Affordable health care!" to borrow this thread's exact terminology); you need to further divide each of the former two categories in order to separate out which ones support the law and which ones oppose it.
 
2012-06-29 01:18:47 PM

heavymetal: thisispete: YSensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.

Atlanta brought computerized graphics and videos and a delegation of 300 people as part of its $7 million drive, perhaps the most elaborate and expensive bid in history. Also shown to the Olympic committee this morning was a special appeal for support by President Bush.

New York Times on Atlanta's selection as host for the 1996 Olympics

This is the type of bullshiat that pisses me off about today's conservative movement. They do not debate things on the issues, they attack and vilify. If reality disagrees they just pull shiat out of their asses like this and blatantly lie. If I had a quarter for every action taken by Obama which has been a mundane task for every previous president which all of a sudden has been twisted into an act of brazen treason by the conservative talking heads, I would be a very wealthy "job creator".


This- also not one of the conservatives would ever stop and say, hey, we better make sure no Republican President ever lobbied for the Olympics, or else we'd look like huge farkheads. Nope. Just go with the derp. That's what Republicans do.
 
2012-06-29 01:30:16 PM

skullkrusher: Job Creator: BigBooper: Congratulations. You won.

I own a health insurance agency, and believe that if health care reform is implemented as written, my business will fail. My employees will have to be fired. I also believe that many employers will end up dropping insurance, and many insurance companies, especially the small ones,

will go out of business. The cost to the government will be far higher that forecast by the CBO. At the same time the cost to you for the insurance that you are now legally obligated to buy will skyrocket.

So spike the football, and then fark the cheerleader under the stands. Shower in our tears, revel in our anguish.

Eventually you will come to realize what you got with healthcare reform is a time bomb. It will blow up. It will damage our economy. And in the end the people it was meant to help will be worse off; not better. I weep for them as well.

/my butt hurts so bad it feels like I was anally raped by Godzilla
//And he didn't even use lube

Hope your business fails, we don't need more leeches taking money from people not to provide care. If your business fails then maybe it wasn't strong enough to compete in the free market. Too bad.

you understand that a health insurance agency and a health insurance company aren't the same thing, right?


I realize that a health insurance agency is benefiting from selling an overpriced product that doesn't deliver what it promises, yes.
 
2012-06-29 01:40:22 PM

Job Creator: I realize that a health insurance agency is benefiting from selling an overpriced product that doesn't deliver what it promises, yes.


Account created: 2012-06-04 07:23:43

lulz, brah
 
2012-06-29 01:53:11 PM

ToxicMunkee: For god sake, when's the last time anyone in politics was dignified? If someone isn't crying on tv they're telling tar baby jokes to their constituents, shouting at the president during his speeches, or turning down invitations to the White House.

But oooohhhhh...Dems celebrating the constitutionality of health care is a bad thing. Sure. whatever.


Mm, well, it is tasteless, but given how restrained Dems typically are, and how smashed they usually get, and that the guy said on his own that it was a stupid remark...meh. I can understand.

/Just don't do it again, mmkay?
 
2012-06-29 02:50:46 PM
This thread is singularly remarkable. I cannot remember a single politics thread in recent memory that got over four hundred posts and was still almost all reasonable conversation with nary a hint of the usual threadshiatters shiatting it up when it got there. Quite remarkable that none of them are here when something completely unexpected happened, eh? It's almost as if they're paid shills, sent out to disrupt and destroy the conversation among left leaning groups, and they had no talking points for this eventuality?

But of course, that's completely unheard of and silly, bordering on conspiracy theory nutbaggery, to even suggest. Neither right-winger groups, nor certain fascistic elements of the US government, have ever been caught doing such things.
 
2012-06-29 03:03:19 PM

skullkrusher: Job Creator: I realize that a health insurance agency is benefiting from selling an overpriced product that doesn't deliver what it promises, yes.

Account created: 2012-06-04 07:23:43

lulz, brah


Oh, I'm sorry, what's the cut off in seniority when someone is allowed to disagree with you? Don't worry about it, I'll save you the trouble and click this circle with the line through it over here.....
 
2012-06-29 04:41:53 PM

Job Creator: skullkrusher: Job Creator: I realize that a health insurance agency is benefiting from selling an overpriced product that doesn't deliver what it promises, yes.

Account created: 2012-06-04 07:23:43

lulz, brah

Oh, I'm sorry, what's the cut off in seniority when someone is allowed to disagree with you? Don't worry about it, I'll save you the trouble and click this circle with the line through it over here.....


trollololol
 
2012-06-30 02:39:31 AM

mrshowrules: By calling it a tax, Robert avoided even having to even look at the Commerce Clause one way or the other.


No he didn't. He actually called out the Dems in his opinion for that very issue:

"The Commerce Clause is not a general license to regulate an individual from cradle to grave simply because he will predictably engage in particular transactions."
 
2012-06-30 01:44:25 PM

Sabyen91: bonefish


Just throwing it out there for all the I never get sick or hurt dumbshiats. A let them have their freedom if you will.
 
2012-07-01 11:52:40 AM

Sensei Can You See: No he didn't. He actually called out the Dems in his opinion for that very issue:


...Something that all of you rag-humpers should know is ridiculous behavior for a Supreme Court Justice.
 
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