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2012-06-28 11:09:25 PM  

clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.


You can be irresponsible now for free :p
 
2012-06-28 11:09:43 PM  

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?


the first year the minimum penalty is $95
 
2012-06-28 11:11:16 PM  

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?


$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.
 
2012-06-28 11:12:39 PM  

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95


clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.
 
2012-06-28 11:13:07 PM  

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


it maxes out at 2.5% of salary. For most people that's less than the cost of insurance
 
2012-06-28 11:14:54 PM  

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.


As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...
 
2012-06-28 11:15:51 PM  
Sensei Can You See:
I wish both sides could say "Look; we all fought hard for our positions in this, but the verdict is in. Let's work together to make this the best solution possible."

But that's probably asking too much.


From a party that has openly stated they would wreck the nation's economy just to aid in partisan attacks on the sitting nigg President? Yes, I think that is likely asking too much.

I am certain that Republican attacks on Obamacare will continue, and the lies and misdirections will not diminish from here on. The focus will simply shift: towards trying to ensure people don't realize how they are immediately benefiting from Obamacare.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:06 PM  

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...


Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:13 PM  

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.


So I can write off my nonpayments then? i mean- what's in this for me?
 
2012-06-28 11:18:47 PM  

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.


And even then I think they probably thought of that.
 
2012-06-28 11:19:36 PM  

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.


Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!
 
2012-06-28 11:19:54 PM  

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

the first year the minimum penalty is $95

clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

The higher of the two...in 2014. It is then 2% in 2015. Then 2.5% in 2016. Then it is tied to inflation.

As the supreme court has decided healthcare to be a tax- can i now write off my premiums as tax payments on my return next year? This may be a good thing after all...

Hmm, I doubt it. Only if you DON'T pay for insurance.

So I can write off my nonpayments then? i mean- what's in this for me?


What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.
 
2012-06-28 11:20:37 PM  

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


Nah, he said he has insurance at $400 a month.
 
2012-06-28 11:21:13 PM  

Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.


driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting
 
2012-06-28 11:21:54 PM  

Sabyen91: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

Nah, he said he has insurance at $400 a month.


And he doesn't think that's enough? He can flush the rest of the money down the toilet if he likes.
 
2012-06-28 11:22:09 PM  

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


stop being so selfish, magusdevil
 
2012-06-28 11:22:47 PM  

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting


Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.
 
2012-06-28 11:24:31 PM  

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.


is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC
 
2012-06-28 11:25:06 PM  

clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.


"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...
 
2012-06-28 11:25:55 PM  

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.

is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC


No, but if you change insurance you don't get pre-existing.
 
2012-06-28 11:27:33 PM  

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: What is in it for you is you can shop the exchange. Insurance companies will actually HAVE to compete with each other.

driving their profits to zero giving us a 4-5% break on health insurance. Wake me when it gets interesting

Well, if you have to change jobs you will appreciate it. Or when skull jr is in college.

is there something in the bill that lets me keep my employer insurance regardless of my job? Kids are already covered in college. The bill just bumps that to 26 IIRC

No, but if you change insurance you don't get pre-existing.


ooh - I think the last time I changed jobs I just had to prove I had insurance previously. No medical or anything.
Did have a medical for life insurance though. Weird peeing in a cup in your own bathroom and handing the cup o' piss to the dude sitting at your dining room table
 
2012-06-28 11:29:32 PM  

Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...


yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.
 
2012-06-28 11:30:16 PM  

I'm the President, Republican Biatches!


Barack Obama


muzaffarpurshops.com

 
2012-06-28 11:30:45 PM  

clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.


I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:06 PM  

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.


You are lucky. Don't ever have to take a temp job.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:30 PM  
Republicans would rather have Health Care costs eat a significant portion of our GDP while providing comparably worse outcomes than other first world countries all while paying more money for the eventual emergency care of uncovered people than face the horror of a "tax." How stupid and nose-cutting for face-spiting can you be? WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...
 
2012-06-28 11:33:00 PM  

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.

You are lucky. Don't ever have to take a temp job.


Whoops, wrong post quoted. Sorry.
 
2012-06-28 11:33:06 PM  

jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.

I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.


uhoh, old timer's got a burr in his britches again. That's the sort of shiat they said when you were a kid, right? Ya know, back when the Kaiser stole your word "twenty"?
 
2012-06-28 11:33:22 PM  

magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!


I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-28 11:34:21 PM  

skullkrusher: Mikey1969: clowncar on fire: Actually, I've not read anytghing that suggests the cost of healthcare will be spiraling downward. The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty as opposed to the nearly $400 a month I pay for being responsible. Seriously considering about being irresponsible.

"irresponsible"?

[citation needed]

Do you mean "uninsured"? See chuckles, not every employer has health coverage, and of the ones that do, not every one of them has affordable coverage.


/But you just keep on shoehorning EVERYONE into that same box because you heard some nifty talking points on your favorite news show that fit directly with how you "think"...

yes, not having insurance is irresponsible. His point I think is that the penalty is so small that it pays to not have insurance for many people until they actually need it since insurers can't turn you away for pre-existing conditions.
Irresponsible? Yes. Fiscally logical? Sure.


He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.
 
2012-06-28 11:35:13 PM  

diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]


And if you get hit by a car you are our responsibility. Talk about an idiot.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:01 PM  

Rashnu: WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...


HOW ARE WE TRYING TO DO THAT?

This bill does something between dick and jackshiat in terms of addressing the cost of healthcare in the US.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:25 PM  

Sensei Can You See: what_now: a bunch of cocktards who celebrated when the United States lost the chance to host the Olympics

As one of those aforementioned cocktards, let me just say that A. I thought it was silly of the president to go beg for his country to host the Olympics, B. I don't really care where they hold the Olympics, and C. I was, however, impressed that Obama told the crowd to stop booing at Romney.

Like I said, there's no reason a politician can't show some class.


And the Olympics are related to healthcare in the way that apples are related to isosceles triangles, right?

I mean, as long as we're biatching about Obama, I guess we have to find SOMEthing, right? Nothing else has stuck so far, so let's use the 'He-showed-national-pride-by-wanting-the-Olympics-to-be-held-in-the-US ' approach. Who knows? Maybe this will FINALLY be The One.

/Because we ALL know that the only people who support the Olympics are Muslims, Kenyans and Socialists...
 
2012-06-28 11:36:43 PM  
Not saying that two wrongs make a right but I see a hell of a lot worse behavior than this from Republican officials and farkers every day of the week.

An own informal survey on my social networks is that my Democratic friends are hardly mentioning the SCOTUS ruling or Affordable Healthcare Act at all today. I didn't post any staus messages about it.

My Republican friends are loudly crying in their beer and wailing about how they wish they could have their country back and the eeeevils of that god-awful Obamacare. One of them even had the brass to complain about perceived slights and name-calling by Democrats.

Complete lack of self-awareness and Cognitive Dissonance is alive and kicking my friends.

Wheaton's Law biatches. It's not just for gamers.
 
2012-06-28 11:37:08 PM  

skullkrusher: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: jso2897: clowncar on fire: LordJiro: radioshack: Obama has argued it wasn't a tax,

HIS original plan wasn't a tax, you twit. Just because you dipshiats call it "Obamacare" because Daddy Rush and Uncle Glenn told you to doesn't make it the same plan.

Still...yay. a new tax.

Somalia beckons. Civilization can sure ass hell survive without your selfish ass.

If Somalia beckons- we'll all be there soon enough. But hey, lets's not forget the creed of ALL politicians: "OPM, biatches! Other. People's. Money."

Care to cover my family's groceries bill next week? No? Somalia awaits, biatch. Being the nice guy that i am, i'll be happy to hold the door open so it won't hit you in the ass.

Just shut up, pay your taxes, and be grateful that you live in a society so civilized that it allows even your weak ass to survive. You really are lucky.

Shut up and pay your taxes?! Fark off and get a job, leech.

I've got a job - pissing off little short-dick white boys like you. Looks like I'm pretty good at it, my biatch.

uhoh, old timer's got a burr in his britches again. That's the sort of shiat they said when you were a kid, right? Ya know, back when the Kaiser stole your word "twenty"?


F**k off and get a job, leech.
(Pay it forward)
 
2012-06-28 11:37:59 PM  

Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.


whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick
 
2012-06-28 11:38:37 PM  

skullkrusher: Rashnu: WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE LONG-TERM COSTS. Try thinking of it in terms of rational self-interest and ignore the fact that it is also the compassionate thing to do. Might help make it more palatable...

HOW ARE WE TRYING TO DO THAT?

This bill does something between dick and jackshiat in terms of addressing the cost of healthcare in the US.


While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.
 
2012-06-28 11:39:05 PM  

jso2897: F**k off and get a job, leech.
(Pay it forward)


I plucked a white hair from my nuts the other day. Made me think of you.

/coulda been blond
//think I'll stick with that story
 
2012-06-28 11:39:31 PM  

diaphoresis: magusdevil: clowncar on fire: Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: The irresponsible will be tagged about $95 annually as a penalty

Oh, and this is not true at all. Where do you get this crap?

$95 or 1% of income. sorry. Read it on Yahoo so maybe questionable. What is the penalty for failure to purchase health insurance? And yes there is a penalty.

Right now I pay the penalty for you not having insurance so fark YOU!

I don't have insurance. I haven't for 15 yrs. I pay my bills when I 'do' go to the doctor. How is it you're paying for me not having insurance?

NVM.. you're an idiot.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x400]


Please get hit by a bus and prove my point. Or get hit by a train and make me laugh.
 
2012-06-28 11:39:35 PM  

skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick


So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?
 
2012-06-28 11:39:42 PM  

skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.


Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.
 
2012-06-28 11:40:36 PM  

Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.


it's a step in a direction which is arguably better than standing still.
 
2012-06-28 11:41:46 PM  
So a bunch of broke motherfarkers don't want to buy insurance, instead they want to opt out of paying, but still show up at those who carry insurance hospitals and reap the benefits? Hmmm... how about a provision that you can opt out of paying the tax but you forfeit all access to health care unless you put it on your card up front? Sound fair for you broke assholes?
 
2012-06-28 11:42:01 PM  

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?


I don't like the mandate but if you're gonna have one you should at least do it effectively. Fining people a fraction of what they would have to pay for insurance probably won't do the trick
 
2012-06-28 11:42:01 PM  

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


I originally used the term in reference to the people who can afford it but don't get it because they are farking bulletproof. Blame me for the term.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:32 PM  

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?


So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:31 PM  

bonefish: So a bunch of broke motherfarkers don't want to buy insurance, instead they want to opt out of paying, but still show up at those who carry insurance hospitals and reap the benefits? Hmmm... how about a provision that you can opt out of paying the tax but you forfeit all access to health care unless you put it on your card up front? Sound fair for you broke assholes?


You don't seem superior to the working poor. Why are you acting as if you are, you morally bankrupt fark?
 
2012-06-28 11:44:13 PM  

Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.


what the fark are you talking about? He says he is considering being irresponsible - voluntarily not getting insurance - because it is more expensive than the fine. This has farkall to do with anything about people not being able to afford insurance and everything about him being able to afford insurance and choosing not to buy it. Being irresponsible.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:40 PM  

Sabyen91: While I agree that reigning in the ridiculous costs associated with healthcare is still a problem the exchanges are going to decrease costs for many individuals and small businesses. Obamacare isn't the answer, it is a step in the right direction.


Thanks. Also worth mentioning is that the reason the bill is at best a half-measure is due to Republican obstructionism and ideological intransigence at the cost of improving the nation. Same as ever.
 
2012-06-28 11:46:19 PM  

magusdevil: Mikey1969: skullkrusher: yes, not having insurance is irresponsible.

Really? And how do you propose we insure all of these people? Obviously "Obamacare" is inherently evil('Of the Devil' is the term some geriatric used, if I remember correctly), and as I pointed out, not EVERY job provides health coverage. Private insurance is ridiculously expensive, so what exactly are these people supposed to do? Not having insurance isn't "irresponsible", it's the only option available for many people.

Sabyen91: skullkrusher: Sabyen91: He would also be complaining if the penalty was larger as a huge tax penalty on hard working Americans. Excuse me if I don't buy the argument.

whether you buy it or not, telling someone you're gonna fine them $10 if they don't spend $100 on something they don't want for whatever reason isn't much of a stick

So, you are complaining that the tax isn't higher?

So far skullkrusher is making an argument for single payer and higher taxes in this thread, that's refreshing.


a public option would have been immensely preferable to what we got. Your idea of higher taxes and mine are quite different I am sure so I am not going to say either way. I have insurance. I have no plan on being uninsured at any point. The mandate tax does not impact me
 
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