eddiesocket: How was this vote not 9-0? Jesus. Yes, you're allowed to lie in this country.

Somebody should inform... well everybody that demanded clinton get impeached.

Captain Steroid: I killed a hundred Vietcong in ONE DAY in Vietnam! :D

You must get up very early in the morning.

James F. Campbell: Captain Steroid: I killed a hundred Vietcong in ONE DAY in Vietnam! :D

You must get up very early in the morning.

Well, you have to factor in the time difference.

NkThrasher: StoPPeRmobile: That's DD Form 214, sarge.

Sarge? What the hell did I do to give you the impression I'm a Brit?


You are the best form of correct, technically correct, although in common usage the difference is unimportant.

That's not how we learned it in the core.

StoPPeRmobile: NkThrasher: StoPPeRmobile: That's DD Form 214, sarge.

Sarge? What the hell did I do to give you the impression I'm a Brit?


You are the best form of correct, technically correct, although in common usage the difference is unimportant.

That's not how we learned it in the core.

It is the "corps", dummy!

/At least that is what my wife says.

I am very pleased that a court with at least two, maybe three fascists on it were able to see the constitution in front of them rather than knuckle under to our country's insatiable lust for military and hero worship.

Hmmm....ruling was 6-3...I wonder who dissented?

Scalia, Alito, Thomas...yup, the two fascists and the wannabe fascist. How completely unsurprising that they would think that using the power of the state to imprison people to protect the "glory" of soldier's medals would be more important than the first farking amendment.

If someone defrauds you with lies, it is often already illegal, and you can always sue them in civil court if there were real damages. We simply don't need a separate law to make "lying about military service" a crime, especially based not on any real harm, but just because it makes some people feel un-special.

People tell lies to gain "glory", influence, or credibility all the time. Why is it so horrible to tell lies about military service to get laid or get a job, but perfectly A-OK and constitutional for Fox News to knowingly report inaccurate news for their own glory, political influence, and credibility?

Answer: Because one type of "free speech" could possibly have the effect of making people leery about claims of "glory", therefore slightly reducing our insane military and hero-worship, which in turn makes things slightly harder for pseudo-patriot fascists who need everyone to love god, guns, & glory more than truth, life, or reason. And the other kind of "Fox free speech" makes it much easier for fascists to get out more grandstanding, demonizing propaganda without having to worry about checking facts or apologizing to the victims of their disinformation.

And that's why some people think that lying about military service is some kind of unholy treason, but lying about liberals to make money, win elections, and pass laws is a god-given right.

I once scored 4 touchdowns in one game during highschool. True story.

/omits certain factual components.

I count quite a few combat veterans (and special forces operators) among my friends and family members, and the one thing they all have in common is that they DO NOT brag about it... if they mention it at all they minimize their role. People who've watched their best friends die in front of their eyes tend not to like to be reminded of it.

It's such a reliably consistent character trait that I automatically assume anyone who makes those kinds of claims is a liar.

Gyrfalcon: Canned Tamales: I am very pleased that a court with at least two, maybe three fascists on it were able to see the constitution in front of them rather than knuckle under to our country's insatiable lust for military and hero worship.

Hmmm....ruling was 6-3...I wonder who dissented?

Scalia, Alito, Thomas...yup, the two fascists and the wannabe fascist. How completely unsurprising that they would think that using the power of the state to imprison people to protect the "glory" of soldier's medals would be more important than the first farking amendment.

If someone defrauds you with lies, it is often already illegal, and you can always sue them in civil court if there were real damages. We simply don't need a separate law to make "lying about military service" a crime, especially based not on any real harm, but just because it makes some people feel un-special.

People tell lies to gain "glory", influence, or credibility all the time. Why is it so horrible to tell lies about military service to get laid or get a job, but perfectly A-OK and constitutional for Fox News to knowingly report inaccurate news for their own glory, political influence, and credibility?

Answer: Because one type of "free speech" could possibly have the effect of making people leery about claims of "glory", therefore slightly reducing our insane military and hero-worship, which in turn makes things slightly harder for pseudo-patriot fascists who need everyone to love god, guns, & glory more than truth, life, or reason. And the other kind of "Fox free speech" makes it much easier for fascists to get out more grandstanding, demonizing propaganda without having to worry about checking facts or apologizing to the victims of their disinformation.

And that's why some people think that lying about military service is some kind of unholy treason, but lying about liberals to make money, win elections, and pass laws is a god-given right.

WTF??


Makes perfect sense to me, and I also agree. What is hard to understand exactly?

what_now: Look, I know a lot of good soldiers from the Core, and I think this law is an abomination. They spent 5 weeks sweating at Parish Island to get the right to hit on girls at bars, and some chucklehead can just PRETEND?

This is what happens in Obama's America.

The last time I checked, it is the Marine "Corps", and their recruit training depot is located on "Parris" Island.

Ceiling Moran: Epoch_Zero: I take exception to this. This is simply an affront to the 700 tours of duty I survived and four purple hearts I received in Iraq. I was the only one of my four special-ops force to survive our assault on the Taj Mahal. And I had to sail out of there in only a dinghy I had made from the skin of goats and survived on the open water of the Iraqi sea for six days before being picked up.

You're no spentmiles, but not bad.

Of course he's not spentmiles.

I am.

I wrote the Kama Sutra. Ladies, feel free to call me.

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


No, but you can get fired which is the way it should work.

flaminio: Relieved by the decision:

Came to see Tommy Flanagan, leaving satisfied.

As a former Nazi concentration camp commander I'm disgusted by this ruling.

what_now: Look, I know a lot of good soldiers from the Core, and I think this law is an abomination. They spent 5 weeks sweating at Parish Island to get the right to hit on girls at bars, and some chucklehead can just PRETEND?

This is what happens in Obama's America.

No, this is what happens in America. Try again.

So do we really want to raise the status of the military to some form of religion where is considered illegal heresy to say erroneous things about it?

I know Americans (especially the 'ugly' ones) have a boner for their armed forces, but the Supreme Court is right on this one.

rocinante721: I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die

Unfortunately, Obamacare was ruled Constitutional, and thanks to prompt healthcare, he went on to live a full, happy life.

Tat'dGreaser: What a crock of sh*t. It's illegal to impersonate an officer, it should be illegal to fake the earning of an award.

I could be wrong, but I think the distinction might be what you gain in either case. If you show up at a Halloween party dressed as a cop, for example, that is not illegal in the USA (as I understand it) and does not count as "impersonating" an officer.

IANAL, so maybe someone with real knowledge will chime in.

semiotix: --Summer Glau

So tell me, is Summer Glau's Love Slave any good?


eddiesocket: So if you lie to get someone into bed, that's rape? Do you realized you just called 90% of sexually active adults rapists?

It is if you live in Israel, at least.


AllUpInYa: If Al "stoneface" Gore can claim he invented the interwebs...

Speaking of lies....

ciberido: AllUpInYa: If Al "stoneface" Gore can claim he invented the interwebs...

Speaking of lies....


"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

Steve jobs created the rounded rectangle.

Gyrfalcon: NewportBarGuy: You can't make it illegal to be an asshole. We don't have enough prisons and then we wouldn't have a government.

You say that like it would be a bad thing.

It's not assholes that are the problem, it's the dicks.

StoPPeRmobile: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

Yes. And he did. It's an absolutely true statement.

jmr61: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

No, but you can get fired which is the way it should work.

Exactly. For example, you falsely claim to be a veteran for the VA benefits, you can still go to jail for old-fashioned fraud, even without this law.

Preble's Boy: what_now: Look, I know a lot of good soldiers from the Core, and I think this law is an abomination. They spent 5 weeks sweating at Parish Island to get the right to hit on girls at bars, and some chucklehead can just PRETEND?

This is what happens in Obama's America.

The last time I checked, it is the Marine "Corps", and their recruit training depot is located on "Parris" Island.

I think the "Core" meme came from a poster a while back who was CLEARLY lying about his prior service...people have been making fun of him for months after he skedaddled.

FarkinHostile: Oh and frankly, it's not MEN who were the real winners here, but WOMEN. Breaking up with a girl tonight because she INSISTED that "White lies are ok" the other night when honesty in a relationship was being discussed. Made it a point to repeat this to me several times.

Allow me to translate: "LIES are ok." That is what she was really saying, and I won't be with a liar. Again.

/Might have to go gay.

Yea...no drama in GAY relationships :)

imontheinternet: I don't think people should go to prison for lying about medals or service, but I think that veterans should be allowed to kick their asses without being prosecuted for it.

I think it was a town in Georgia that made it a $5 fine for beating up anyone burning a flag...

ChipNASA: Profedius: I don't talk about my medals and more so I do not speak of what I did to get them. I do not even have my medals on display anywhere. The ruling does upset me just a touch, because it demeans the medal or more over the events that led up to it.

Exactly....good jorb......reverse psychology.....(I've been so deep in the shiat I don't even want to talk about it. hush hush.....)
/It's classified right? You couldn't tell us here on Fark.com even if you *wanted* to.
//golden.....got it.....shhhhhhhhhhhh

I could tell you they are not classified more like disavowed and the rewards are vague in description referring only to the action and not the situation or location. The reasons why I do not speak of them is because I do not enjoy talking about it. I did what I had to do to make it through and got out as soon as I could do so honorable.

FarkinHostile: As much as I HATE liars, this is a good call. That said, I'm off to go have sex with my girlfriend:

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/most beautiful woman in the world
//No, really

Aishwarya Rai? Good score, man!

netweavr: It's still considered a form of rape though, right?

That depends on the jurisdiction, but I don't think there are any places in the US where it is.

Nor really do I think there should be. If a single fact about a person is important enough to you to make the difference between sleeping with that person versus not, then the responsibility lies with you to either verify it or else choose to trust without verification. Lying to someone to get them into bed is a douchebag thing to do, but it doesn't belong in even the same league as actual rape.

Technoir: FarkinHostile: As much as I HATE liars, this is a good call. That said, I'm off to go have sex with my girlfriend:

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/most beautiful woman in the world
//No, really

Aishwarya Rai? Good score, man!

No, my girlfriend, now Fiancee, is Freida Pinto. I broke up with Aishwarya Rai a few years ago.

PunGent:

Yea...no drama in GAY relationships :)

Really? I thought gays had all the pluses of being men and none of the minuses of women.

Damn, wasted my money on this construction worker outfit.

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7186772/77759701#c77759701" target="_blank">ChipNASA</a>:</b> <i>imontheinternet: I don't think people should go to prison for lying about medals or service, but I think that veterans should be allowed to kick their asses without being prosecuted for it.

Patriot Ass-Whuppers

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/2 MSMs</i>

MSMs are something SNCOs give each other for pcsing and then retiring.

anfrind: dletter: One might almost compare the "Stolen Valor" law to "Hate Crimes" legislation.

Except that "Hate Crimes" is an enhancement to an existing charge (i.e. it only applies if a criminal act was motivated by hatred committed by a white person), whereas as I understand it, "Stolen Valor" was a crime unto itself.

ftfy

craxyd: anfrind: dletter: One might almost compare the "Stolen Valor" law to "Hate Crimes" legislation.

Except that "Hate Crimes" is an enhancement to an existing charge (i.e. it only applies if a criminal act was motivated by hatred committed by a white person), whereas as I understand it, "Stolen Valor" was a crime unto itself.

ftfy

You don't really understand the Hate Crimes legislation, do you?

eddiesocket: craxyd: anfrind: dletter: One might almost compare the "Stolen Valor" law to "Hate Crimes" legislation.

Except that "Hate Crimes" is an enhancement to an existing charge (i.e. it only applies if a criminal act was motivated by hatred committed by a white person), whereas as I understand it, "Stolen Valor" was a crime unto itself.

ftfy

You don't really understand the Hate Crimes legislation, do you?


I've seen some serious black antagonist white protagonist crimes where the almighty "Hate Crime" was never used.

Citation needed?
How many "This is for Trayvon" attacks were committed with nary a "hate crime" charge filed?
Seems pretty cut and dry with those
This one's a doozie
In the indictments section on the Wikipedia page, I didn't see any "hate crime" charges

If I'm totally off the reservation, please, explain it to me like I'm a 4 year old

srtpointman: earne

The summer after my junior year in HS, I was lucky enough to be nominated to attend the American Legion's Boys State. As such, I was also lucky enough to attend a luncheon in the governor's mansion that week. The guests of honor were a some two dozen medal of honor winners, and the Boys State attendees were evenly distributed throughout the room. There were two medal of honor winners seated at my table. I was already an armchair historian steeped in WWII history (took interest in Korea, Vietnam and the Civil War in subsequent years), and was stupid enough to ask one of them how he had "earned" his medal. He graciously replied that none of the honorees there that day felt like that had done anything to earn their medals - they acted without thinking, and hoped/assumed that someone else would have done the same for them.

Naturally, that response personified the significance of their service - selflessness. The experience was acutely humbling, and I left with an understanding that the medal itself did not really bestow any honor - that came from the singular pride that can come only from their own actions. No medal could embellish it, and no denial could subtract from it. I am a First Amendment guy myself, but I really came here to share this memory.