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(Boston Herald)   In the other news everyone was waiting for out of the Supreme Court today, men all over America can go back to their favorite pick up line of "I am a millionaire, astronaut, cowboy, medal of honor recipient" without fear of prosecution   (news.bostonherald.com) divider line 346
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2012-06-28 03:14:15 PM  
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2012-06-28 03:15:12 PM  

Mell of a Hess: In the other news everyone was waiting for out of the Supreme Court today, men all over America can go back to their favorite pick up line of "I am a millionaire, astronaut, cowboy, medal of honor recipient" without fear of prosecution

How about, "I am a dismayed citizen."

Does that blow your skirt up?

There's nothing funny at all about what SCOTUS did today. Nothing.


The extra "nothing" makes the comment more dramatic. Extra.
 
2012-06-28 03:15:55 PM  
It is not the government's role to legislate douchebaggery.
 
2012-06-28 03:16:57 PM  
Well at least we can still out the frauds online.

Im writing this on my way to Mars. The government wanted me to lay low after I killed Bin Laden while I was a member of Seal team 6.2 (team 6 is a pack of whimps) So Ill be the first one to land on Mars and Ill be back in time to see Katy Perry give birth to my twin sons.
 
2012-06-28 03:17:16 PM  

ChipNASA: If you just say it verbaly to impress me, no crime but as have been said....if you use it to gain directly or indirectly, a monetary value of some sort, (benefits, job, prizes, other privileges that could benefit you in a monetary way) then it's Fraud and you can be arrested.


I haven't heard of a situation in which someone lied on a resume and was found guilty of fraud. I don't think it is specifically illegal, although i suppose an argument could be made that it constitutes wire/email fraud.

What if I hired someone who claimed on his resume to be special forces to be my bodyguard though, and he even brought in his medals to prove it, and passed a cursory background check, then it turned out he wasn't special forces and I then died because he sucks at kung fu? Is that criminal negligence, that he lied about it?
 
2012-06-28 03:17:43 PM  

ChipNASA: verbaltoxin: I really do have an Air Medal with a silver leaf cluster.

I'm calling bullshiat......6 times???? (If the member receives a sixth award, a silver oak leaf cluster replaces the four bronze oak leaf clusters.)
Really?
/highly doubtful.
//I used to work for Uncle Sam, so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear."


Sergeant of Master Sergeants Most Important Person of Extreme Sergeants to the Max!
 
2012-06-28 03:17:54 PM  
The list of my medals are as follows:

Cochrane Medal of Excellence
Grankite Order of Tactics
Karagite Order of Heroism
Palm Leaf of Axanar Peace Mission
Prentares Ribbon of Commendation
Star Cross
 
2012-06-28 03:18:04 PM  
This is GOOD NEWS. That "Stolen Valor" act was SO MUCH bullshiat.

Even the name is crap. Being a military veteran doesn't make one valorous.


www.chanstickers.com
 
2012-06-28 03:18:36 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Which is why our normal fraud laws cover this. If I'm conning the shiat out of you, that's illegal already no matter if I claim to be a Soldier or a Spiritual Guru. Plus as others have stated you can lie on a resume and not go to jail. I'm finding it hard to think of a way I could really defraud someone just by claiming I was in the military.


Here's an example where lying about one's service can benefit the one lying and also be derogatory to those who actually served.

" Stolen Value: Former Seal Sues Fake Seals Over Selling Seal Experience "


" ....Shipley claims Silverman is hurting his business by devaluing the status of being a former SEAL and even claims that Silverman is using the likeness of the SEAL trident without permission. He has filed claims under interfering with a business relationship, violating Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Practices Act and Unauthorized Publication of a Likeness for Advertising Purposes. Shipley is being assisted in this effort by Tampa attorney Gene Odom who is filing other lawsuits of this kind."

/so there are ways to hurt folks that are lying and benefiting without using the US Government but you have to commit time and money.
 
2012-06-28 03:19:15 PM  

rocinante721: I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die


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2012-06-28 03:20:59 PM  

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.


Congress needs something to hide behind.
 
2012-06-28 03:22:18 PM  

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


No, the first amendment doesn't specifically protect the right to lie, because the first amendment doesn't protect specifically protect the right to say any particular thing.

Sure, you can lie on your resume, and a potential employer can still penalize you for it by not hiring you. This has absolutely no bearing on the conduct of private employers, it's only about government penalties for unpopular speech.

The first amendment protects the right to say whatever the fark you want to say without governmental penalty. The only exceptions are things like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. The first amendment does not protect you from all the consequences of unpopular speech, just governmental prosecution for that speech. So if someone doesn't want to hire you because you lied about your military service, they are completely within their rights to do so.

Lying about one's personal achievements doesn't threaten the well being of other citizens, it just offends the sensibilities of most of us. In general, the first amendment is only needed to protect speech that is unpopular at that given time, just like this.

Why was this overturned? Because if lying were outlawed, whomever was in charge of defining whether or not something was a lie could completely gut the first amendment and control the speech of others. A major loss of personal freedom could result.

The Supremes have made some difficult decisions today, but they've upheld the constitution. Good on them.
 
2012-06-28 03:22:46 PM  
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2012-06-28 03:22:47 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Mell of a Hess: In the other news everyone was waiting for out of the Supreme Court today, men all over America can go back to their favorite pick up line of "I am a millionaire, astronaut, cowboy, medal of honor recipient" without fear of prosecution

How about, "I am a dismayed citizen."

Does that blow your skirt up?

There's nothing funny at all about what SCOTUS did today. Nothing.

The extra "nothing" makes the comment more dramatic. Extra.


annawrites.com
 
2012-06-28 03:23:42 PM  

schattenteufel: This is GOOD NEWS. That "Stolen Valor" act was SO MUCH bullshiat.

Even the name is crap. Being a military veteran doesn't make one valorous.


[www.chanstickers.com image 640x221]


Think veterans who won medals like the MOH then get back to me.
 
2012-06-28 03:24:26 PM  
My name is Mr. Royal Hampton,
 
2012-06-28 03:26:09 PM  

Esc7: A big HEAPING pile of THIS. Anything that infringes the right to lie reduces our rights to privacy.


And in a very direct way. When someone asks you a personal question and you don't want to give out the answer, there is often no honest way to maintain your privacy. For example, suppose someone asks you if you've ever used illegal drugs. You can answer honestly, which gives away your personal information; or you can say "I decline to answer that personal question," which also gives away the answer---because people who have never used drugs will rarely give that answer.

That is to say, the answer to a personal question determines how personal the question is---drug users consider the above question more incriminating than non-drug-users----and so your honest refusal to answer a personal question leaks information about the answer.

When asked a personal question, the only way to avoid giving up personal information is to provide a response that is statistically independent of the answer. If asked whether you've used illegal drugs, the only response that satisfies this requirement is "no," which for prior drug users is a lie. Hence a right to privacy requires a right to lie.
 
2012-06-28 03:26:41 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del:
The real fun starts about a third of the way down, with user zap branigan
You're welcome


Thanks, added to my "Favorite threads" section.
 
2012-06-28 03:27:28 PM  

ChipNASA: Communist_Manifesto: Which is why our normal fraud laws cover this. If I'm conning the shiat out of you, that's illegal already no matter if I claim to be a Soldier or a Spiritual Guru. Plus as others have stated you can lie on a resume and not go to jail. I'm finding it hard to think of a way I could really defraud someone just by claiming I was in the military.

Here's an example where lying about one's service can benefit the one lying and also be derogatory to those who actually served.

" Stolen Value: Former Seal Sues Fake Seals Over Selling Seal Experience "

" ....Shipley claims Silverman is hurting his business by devaluing the status of being a former SEAL and even claims that Silverman is using the likeness of the SEAL trident without permission. He has filed claims under interfering with a business relationship, violating Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Practices Act and Unauthorized Publication of a Likeness for Advertising Purposes. Shipley is being assisted in this effort by Tampa attorney Gene Odom who is filing other lawsuits of this kind."

/so there are ways to hurt folks that are lying and benefiting without using the US Government but you have to commit time and money.


Seems like the fraud laws already on the books covered this one as well. I don't even think we're arguing. From what I can tell I agree with you that this is normal fraud. Simply lying to someone that you were in the military still isn't fraud unless you do something like the dickbag in the article. I can lie about having any other job in the world just the same, making it a special crime to lie about having a job in the military seems like an overreach of government to me.
 
2012-06-28 03:27:34 PM  
Here come's some CSB...

My fiance's good friend started dating this guy. Probably weighed about 120 lbs., all tatted and pierced up and came off as kind of a douche. Anyway, one night when the girls are having some jewelry party at our place, I leave to go have some beers at a local drinking establishment. I am asked to invite this guy out for some beers as well and being a good S.O., so I do.

We meet up and after 2 pitchers he starts going off about all of his "war stories." These include, I shiat you not; being a crack shot sniper, paratrooper, tank driver, helicopter pilot and controlling predator drones. I keep my mouth shut and nodded and let him tell all of his ridiculous stories. He said he logged over 200 kills in combat. I came home that night telling my fiance that I would never hang around that assclown again.

In the next couple days I find out that he was in the army...for 6 months. And was dishonorably discharged because of selling drugs. So Steven Segal he obviously wasn't; as if I needed proof or something.

So here comes the karma. About a month later I'm dragged out to the bars with her friends and her friend and Captain America show up. He's pretty drunk already. We're at the bar for maybe an hour and he comes stumbling over to us crying his eyes out. Apparently, based on what the bartender told me, he was spouting off his heroics to a couple servicemen who just got back. Once they started poking every obvious hole (and I'm sure several more specific holes that only someone who was in the armed forces would know) in his story, he began getting very defensive. They then proceeded to ridicule him and tell him if he didn't leave immediately, they would kick the shiat out of him. This shook his up so bad that he began crying in front of them and ran over to us. by the time he got to us he was just a nonsensical blatherer comparable to a child just learning to speak having a tantrum. It was pretty god damned funny.

So, I guess I don't see how you can make it illegal for someone to go around and maken up shiat like this. It's terrible, tasteless and absolutly pathetic, but it's America and you're allowed to be an idiot here, unfortunately. I can only hope every turd who ever pulls this shiat get's humiliated and/or his ass-kicked bad enough, to where they never think about doing it again.
 
2012-06-28 03:28:01 PM  

ChipNASA: craxyd: CrazyCracka420: Voltaire has a great quote that the "better" military men and women hold as their motto:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."


Bullshiatting about military service may be officially legal now but vets and active duty should be legally permitted to beat your ass for your bullshiat


As has been submitted before, I think that if you get caught bullshiatting your military service, then you get snatched up, put in uniform and dropped in a combat zone.
They would have a squadron, platoon or whatever of the Ferocious Fighting Falsifiers and then they can really try to walk the walk. Many of these guys are so full of themselves that they may actually be able to bullshiat some third world dirtbags in to not fighting or actually surrendering but I bet they can't talk shiat to an AK-47 round so at least they'll free up our real soldiers as targets and beach carpet.


You would probably like the episode of Burn Notice called "Besieged".
 
2012-06-28 03:28:03 PM  
Watched a doc on the making of Top Gun. They said the bar with the famous pickup/song was a real Navy bar. When the movie came out, guys started showing up there in fake Naval outfits to pick up women, which of course totally worked.

/CSB
 
2012-06-28 03:28:04 PM  
Just as the flag burning issue in the 90s, Republicans were trying to pass laws on an issue that already has laws pertaining to it. Most of the people who claim this BS can be charged (depending on how far they take it) with fraud and sometimes theft. This is a right-wing feel good issue, and like most of their issues, a waste of money.
 
2012-06-28 03:28:38 PM  

groppet: Well at least we can still out the frauds online.

Im writing this on my way to Mars. The government wanted me to lay low after I killed Bin Laden while I was a member of Seal team 6.2 (team 6 is a pack of whimps) So Ill be the first one to land on Mars and Ill be back in time to see Katy Perry give birth to my twin sons.


Ha, nice try. It takes 9 months to travel from Mars to Earth, and you have to wait 3 months after your landing for the next launch window, so when you return to see Katy Perry give birth, the twins won't be yours.
 
2012-06-28 03:29:27 PM  

RandomRandom: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

No, the first amendment doesn't specifically protect the right to lie, because the first amendment doesn't protect specifically protect the right to say any particular thing.

Sure, you can lie on your resume, and a potential employer can still penalize you for it by not hiring you. This has absolutely no bearing on the conduct of private employers, it's only about government penalties for unpopular speech.

The first amendment protects the right to say whatever the fark you want to say without governmental penalty. The only exceptions are things like yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. The first amendment does not protect you from all the consequences of unpopular speech, just governmental prosecution for that speech. So if someone doesn't want to hire you because you lied about your military service, they are completely within their rights to do so.

Lying about one's personal achievements doesn't threaten the well being of other citizens, it just offends the sensibilities of most of us. In general, the first amendment is only needed to protect speech that is unpopular at that given time, just like this.

Why was this overturned? Because if lying were outlawed, whomever was in charge of defining whether or not something was a lie could completely gut the first amendment and control the speech of others. A major loss of personal freedom could result.

The Supremes have made some difficult decisions today, but they've upheld the constitution. Good on them.


Well said. I pretty much agree with you 100%. Liars suck, but lying in and of itself is not a crime.
 
2012-06-28 03:30:34 PM  
The year: 2004
The mission: Kill all 40 cybernetically enhanced doppelgangers of Hitler, Osama bin Laden, the Red Skull, and Elmo
The equipment: A half eaten potato skin, a small zip lock bag of rat fur, and Lebron James. (James was deemed worthless and left behind)
The conditions: The US had alerted them of my arrival. They were armed and ready for me. The greatest computer minds of all countries were used to plan the mission.

I went in and took down every last one and converted the scrap metal into disadvantaged-children's toys. I single handedly (as in with only one hand) swam them back to the US and scattered them to the most deserving. I went on to pitch a perfect game against both the AL and NL All Star teams and founded the moon colony.
 
2012-06-28 03:31:01 PM  
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2012-06-28 02:13:39 PM


what_now: Look, I know a lot of good soldiers from the Core, and I think this law is an abomination. They spent 5 weeks sweating at Parish Island to get the right to hit on girls at bars, and some chucklehead can just PRETEND?

This is what happens in Obama's America.

yeah god forbid one of the core tenets this country was founded on (and the military supposedly protects) would be upheld as "constitutional".




It's CORPS, godammit!!!
 
2012-06-28 03:31:05 PM  
Line forms to the left ladies.

www.zap2it.com
 
2012-06-28 03:31:06 PM  
www.dailyhaha.com

"'Boy, you got no game. Leave it to true players and join the Navy."
 
2012-06-28 03:32:00 PM  

schattenteufel: This is GOOD NEWS. That "Stolen Valor" act was SO MUCH bullshiat.

Even the name is crap. Being a military veteran doesn't make one valorous.


[www.chanstickers.com image 640x221]


Winning Does.

j.wigflip.com
 
2012-06-28 03:32:09 PM  
I don't think I'd want the kind of chicks who'd swoon over a fake CMoH.

I'd rather go with the ones that swoon over my Prius hybrid that runs off ethanol distilled from overripe produce being thrown away by grocers.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What does this do for Libel?


Nothing. This judgement says it's okay to lie about yourself.
 
2012-06-28 03:32:20 PM  
As much as I HATE liars, this is a good call. That said, I'm off to go have sex with my girlfriend:

img.photobucket.com

/most beautiful woman in the world
//No, really
 
2012-06-28 03:32:34 PM  

chuckufarlie: schattenteufel: This is GOOD NEWS. That "Stolen Valor" act was SO MUCH bullshiat.

Even the name is crap. Being a military veteran doesn't make one valorous.


[www.chanstickers.com image 640x221]

Think veterans who won medals like the MOH then get back to me.



If they're brave enough to win their ribbons & medals, they most likely can handle the sting of someone usurping their glory. They'll get over it.
 
2012-06-28 03:35:12 PM  
This is good news for Col. Sanders.

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2012-06-28 03:37:23 PM  
I'm generally okay with this.

As long as you don't have the right to freedom-of-speech yourself up a DD214, you can spout whatever story you want.

/Former Sergeant
 
2012-06-28 03:37:37 PM  

Theaetetus: groppet: Well at least we can still out the frauds online.

Im writing this on my way to Mars. The government wanted me to lay low after I killed Bin Laden while I was a member of Seal team 6.2 (team 6 is a pack of whimps) So Ill be the first one to land on Mars and Ill be back in time to see Katy Perry give birth to my twin sons.

Ha, nice try. It takes 9 months to travel from Mars to Earth, and you have to wait 3 months after your landing for the next launch window, so when you return to see Katy Perry give birth, the twins won't be yours.


Well I have slow sperm :(
 
2012-06-28 03:38:03 PM  
Lets see here......
I was Sherman`s second in command....I shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand....The movie Sergeant York was written about me, I shot down 29 Japanese planes at Pearl( I was portrayed as Affleck in the movie), I was riding shotgun on the first plane in the Doolittle Raid, I was the pilot of the Memphis Bell, I shot down and killed Admiral Yamamoto, I got kicked out of the Army so I changed my name to Gregory Boyington and join the core, Co pilot of Enola Gay and PIC of Boxcar( tho I was reaallly conflicted about it, I broke the sound barrier in a f-80 a week before they did it in a f-86 prototype and waaay before Chuck Yaeger made it cool....im so farking hipster.
 
2012-06-28 03:40:08 PM  
You can lie. You have to deal with the consequences when there are. This was a straight forward and easy one on pure 1st amendment grounds. The scary part is the three super conservatives and "constructionist" side against the first amendment.
 
2012-06-28 03:41:19 PM  
Oh and frankly, it's not MEN who were the real winners here, but WOMEN. Breaking up with a girl tonight because she INSISTED that "White lies are ok" the other night when honesty in a relationship was being discussed. Made it a point to repeat this to me several times.

Allow me to translate: "LIES are ok." That is what she was really saying, and I won't be with a liar. Again.

/Might have to go gay.
 
2012-06-28 03:43:26 PM  

RantCasey: Here come's some CSB...


There is a guy at the regular bar that does the same thing. He has seen and done everything you can think of in the military, even stuff you have not thought of he can top it. He is such a badass, apparently he is only called up to go on missions for short periods of time (maybe when the shiat gets real?) because in the 7 years I have known him, I have seen him at the bar on average once a month yet he has seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan many times since then. He must get in, take care of business and get out in just a few days.

Most people at the bar just let him slide when he is telling his stories, but I walk away. He's a big scary looking guy, 6'4" 240lbs, so people don't mess with him. When he gets his ass kicked, it will be by more than one guy.
 
2012-06-28 03:43:44 PM  
Liars should be executed. I didn't fight off the Nazis and Japaneese in WWII single-handedly so these assholes could steal my thunder. I wish I was still in charge of the KGB, like I used to be. I'd set 'em straight...

--Galactic President Superstar McAwesomeville
 
2012-06-28 03:44:39 PM  

Fat-D: Lets see here......
I was Sherman`s second in command....I shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand....The movie Sergeant York was written about me, I shot down 29 Japanese planes at Pearl( I was portrayed as Affleck in the movie), I was riding shotgun on the first plane in the Doolittle Raid, I was the pilot of the Memphis Bell, I shot down and killed Admiral Yamamoto, I got kicked out of the Army so I changed my name to Gregory Boyington and join the core, Co pilot of Enola Gay and PIC of Boxcar( tho I was reaallly conflicted about it, I broke the sound barrier in a f-80 a week before they did it in a f-86 prototype and waaay before Chuck Yaeger made it cool....im so farking hipster.


I am Iron Man.

Your argument is invalid. :P
 
2012-06-28 03:44:55 PM  

doubled99: It's CORPS, godammit!!!


Are you ever going to stop being "new" around here? Even if you somehow haven't seen this meme parroted 1000 times, you should at least be able to detect obvious silliness.

As for the ruling: it was a vague, overreaching, and (where it was useful) redundant law. I've met fakers at bars, scamming drinks off of other vets and patriotic-leaning folks alike. They're scum. But when it comes down to it, we already have fraud and deceptive practice laws to penalize people that measurably harm others with their lies. I want it to be illegal to pretend to be a war hero; I want it to be illegal to do what the WBC does, but I don't want to live in a country without our First Amendment protectitons.

I am a Navy veteran, and I'm comfortably knowing that the constitution that I and every other swinging dick out there swore to defend guarantees rights to the virtuous and scoundrel alike. Do you want to know how to figure out if someone is lying about their military medals? If they talk about them, especially around non-military types, they're probably lying. Also if they don't talk about it sucking while still seeming like they loved it, they're probably lying.
 
2012-06-28 03:45:11 PM  

NkThrasher: I'm generally okay with this.

As long as you don't have the right to freedom-of-speech yourself up a DD214, you can spout whatever story you want.

/Former Sergeant


Here's the problem....I just don't see enough prosecution for those folks that do, do this....(CSB alert) When I was in Colorado Springs I went to a bar and was denied entry with a valid DD Form 2AF (green) as explained by the bouncer...."We have a whole wall full of fakes"...i stood there with my mouth open.....felony US Government jail time for beers?? Damn. I had to go back to the dorm and get my MD Driver's License.

/he said do do.
//Recently former sergeant, sergeant, sergeant, sergeant, sergeant (including teh AF E-4 Sgt)
 
2012-06-28 03:45:16 PM  
My leather jacket is made of an iraqi sheep I skinned myself while my commanding officer was still stuck in it. Where's my free beer?
 
2012-06-28 03:49:21 PM  
I'm just a data entry guy making a couple coins more than minimum wage, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
 
2012-06-28 03:49:51 PM  

ManRay: RantCasey: Here come's some CSB...

There is a guy at the regular bar that does the same thing. He has seen and done everything you can think of in the military, even stuff you have not thought of he can top it. He is such a badass, apparently he is only called up to go on missions for short periods of time (maybe when the shiat gets real?) because in the 7 years I have known him, I have seen him at the bar on average once a month yet he has seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan many times since then. He must get in, take care of business and get out in just a few days.

Most people at the bar just let him slide when he is telling his stories, but I walk away. He's a big scary looking guy, 6'4" 240lbs, so people don't mess with him. When he gets his ass kicked, it will be by more than one guy.


I can take him.
In fact I just got back from kicking his sorry butt.
Go ahead and ask him, but be warned, he'll deny it.
 
2012-06-28 03:50:15 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I'm just a data entry guy making a couple coins more than minimum wage, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.



LIES! you did not.
 
2012-06-28 03:54:35 PM  
I'll never get over Mucho grande.
 
2012-06-28 03:56:05 PM  

mcoctopus: My leather jacket is made of an iraqi sheep I skinned myself while my commanding officer was still stuck in it. Where's my free beer?


I had to read this a few times......OMG...I bet that slipped right my most folks....

1. You have a leather jacket
2. made by your own hand
3. From sheep
4. You skinned yourself
5. While in Iraq
6. While your commander was still banging said sheep.
7. Your commander is Kim Kardashian
cbswashington.files.wordpress.com
 
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