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(Boston Herald)   In the other news everyone was waiting for out of the Supreme Court today, men all over America can go back to their favorite pick up line of "I am a millionaire, astronaut, cowboy, medal of honor recipient" without fear of prosecution   (news.bostonherald.com) divider line 346
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2012-06-28 02:15:12 PM
So it sounds like the SCOTUS can't do anything right.
 
2012-06-28 02:15:16 PM
I invented the Question Mark

/I also accuse Chestnuts of being lazy
 
2012-06-28 02:16:07 PM

Rapmaster2000: abhorrent1: I fought the Germans at Pearl Harbor.

I fought General Tso at La Choy on the Kikkomann Trail.


Up to your elbows in delicious orange sauce and up to you knees in soy! It was glorious.
 
2012-06-28 02:16:11 PM
Now where did I put my CMOH?.. oh, there it is!
 
2012-06-28 02:16:35 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


Um...of course it is. It always has been. Have you ever heard of someonesinister getting arrested for lying on their resume?
 
2012-06-28 02:16:47 PM
Sure is a swing day for personal rights, innit?
 
2012-06-28 02:17:03 PM
How is this a liberal victory? Makes no damn sense to constantly complain you want the government out of your business and health care, but you want them to monitor truthiness and anything related to the sex you aren't having.

People lie. It isn't a crime.
 
2012-06-28 02:17:06 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


Yeah, you can say that. But, that doesn't mean that the people who might have hired you have to let you keep your job.
 
2012-06-28 02:17:10 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


It protects you from lying, but not the consequences of doing so. So you lie on your resume, and they find out you lied, them firing you doesn't infringe your 1st Amendment rights. You being sent to jail for writing a lie on your resume would have. Do you see the difference?

So its just like how things are....now!
 
2012-06-28 02:17:16 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


Um...of course it is. It always has been. Have you ever heard of someones getting arrested for lying on their resume?
 
2012-06-28 02:17:19 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


Yeah, though you'd still be guilty of fraud.
 
2012-06-28 02:17:21 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: This wasn't really Justice Roberts' ruling.

He left his account logged in and his wife guessed his password.


So, wife like typing detected?
 
2012-06-28 02:17:29 PM
Relieved by the decision:

supportyourlocalgunfighter.com

/his wife is Morgan Fairchild, you know...
 
2012-06-28 02:17:46 PM
I'm a farking rock star!

/that limo must be my ride
 
2012-06-28 02:18:20 PM
Fox News [sic] won the right to lie so why not people faking their professional/military credentials?
 
2012-06-28 02:18:34 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


You sure can, but you usually have no constitutional right to be hired for the job.
 
2012-06-28 02:18:45 PM
Is this one of those rare double-whammy Supreme Court rulings?
 
2012-06-28 02:19:03 PM
I got my CMoH back when I was a seel in the corpse. We was killin some al kader, and I saved the entire SCOTUS from making a very bad decision. Right then and there, the POTUS gave me that metal.

/yup, here we go again...
 
2012-06-28 02:19:34 PM
Lying is actually of critical importance to your privacy rights. A right to privacy implies a right to lie.
 
2012-06-28 02:19:41 PM
can we at least beat the crap out of the lying bastards?
 
2012-06-28 02:19:45 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: This wasn't really Justice Roberts' ruling.

He left his account logged in and his wife guessed his password.


My first guesses would be RachelMaddowWhatAFox or itisNOTamicrop3nis.
 
2012-06-28 02:20:05 PM

Millennium: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

Yeah, though you'd still be guilty of fraud.


I think fraud would depend on what you're lying about. Like for instance if you lied to your patients that you're a licensed doctor...that would be fraud, and we have laws that deal with that.

But lying to your patients that you served in Iraq? That your favorite color is blue? Who the hell cares?
 
2012-06-28 02:20:07 PM
FLYNAVY covered? Check.

moving along
 
2012-06-28 02:20:43 PM

chuckufarlie: can we at least beat the crap out of the lying bastards?


Well, you can certainly lie and say you did
 
2012-06-28 02:20:54 PM
President Gore awarded me the Victoria Cross for my Core service during the Franco-American war.
 
2012-06-28 02:21:28 PM

trippdogg: I'm so outraged at this ruling that I couldn't even wait to land my helicopter before posting, so I'm flying it with my feet while typing this.


URAPNIS??!?!?!?
 
2012-06-28 02:21:52 PM

flaminio: Relieved by the decision:

[supportyourlocalgunfighter.com image 193x145]

/his wife is Morgan Fairchild, you know...


Yeah! That's the ticket!
 
2012-06-28 02:22:22 PM
I can finally go back to calling myself Admiral Steam Cock III.
 
2012-06-28 02:23:09 PM
What does this do for Libel?
 
2012-06-28 02:23:37 PM
Came for a picture of Billy Ray Valentine.

/leaving disappointed
 
2012-06-28 02:23:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: abhorrent1: I fought the Germans at Pearl Harbor.

I fought General Tso at La Choy on the Kikkomann Trail.


I bombed the storage depots at Daiquiri at 18:00 hours. From the north below their radar.
 
2012-06-28 02:23:56 PM

Xcott: Lying is actually of critical importance to your privacy rights. A right to privacy implies a right to lie.


A big HEAPING pile of THIS. Anything that infringes the right to lie reduces our rights to privacy.

That is to say I'm not against holding people accountable when lying is dangerous. Lying about your financial information, polluting rivers, and to a court under oath about a crime are terrible things and shouldn't be allowed. Thankfully our laws already carve out exceptions for them. But lying about happening to be a soldier? I don't consider that dangerous at all.
 
2012-06-28 02:24:20 PM

Esc7: Millennium: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

Yeah, though you'd still be guilty of fraud.

I think fraud would depend on what you're lying about. Like for instance if you lied to your patients that you're a licensed doctor...that would be fraud, and we have laws that deal with that.

But lying to your patients that you served in Iraq? That your favorite color is blue? Who the hell cares?


Well, I care. Anyone who lies about serving in the military is a special kind of scumbag. Fortunately for them, scumbags are protected, too.
 
2012-06-28 02:24:28 PM
As a retired Justice of the Supreme Court I agree with the decision
 
2012-06-28 02:24:41 PM
This was the correct ruling. As disgusting as lying about military service is, banning it is still abridging that person's 1st amendment rights. Remember, the 1st amendment doesn't protect speech you like, it protects speech you hate.
 
2012-06-28 02:25:45 PM

ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?


Are you telling me that you honestly don't understand that the First amendment protects your right to free speech only from the government? And that it only prevents the government from restricting your speech, but not from the consequences of said speech? Because if you don't know the difference between the situation in the article and the situation you just laid out, you are a farking moron.
 
2012-06-28 02:26:06 PM

eddiesocket: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

Um...of course it is. It always has been. Have you ever heard of someones getting arrested for lying on their resume?


Lying for monetary gain is fraud, and can in fact get you arrested. The stolen valor act was bullshiat because it made it illegal to lie even in situations where it gained you nothing, whereas fraud law in general already covered the situations where you were hurting anybody. Meaning that the stolen valor law's only effect was to pick on people that hadn't hurt anybody (the ones that had already being guilty of fraud).

Basically the ruling is saying there's nothing special about military service which merits arbitrary extra protections over any other honors or forms of employment. The unspoken implication being that giving the military special privileges is something done by fascist nations in the 1930s and military juntas in Africa, not democratic first-world nations. Fraud remains illegal, though.
 
2012-06-28 02:26:43 PM
All the government needs to do is pass a law where the penalty for lying about your medal of honor status is a tax. That's the new "constitutional" way for the government to control any behavior it wants. While they're at it, they should put a tax on being gay, getting an abortion, burning the flag, and being a minority. Then America will be saved.
 
2012-06-28 02:27:01 PM
In the other news everyone was waiting for out of the Supreme Court today, men all over America can go back to their favorite pick up line of "I am a millionaire, astronaut, cowboy, medal of honor recipient" without fear of prosecution

How about, "I am a dismayed citizen."

Does that blow your skirt up?

There's nothing funny at all about what SCOTUS did today. Nothing.
 
2012-06-28 02:27:07 PM
I really do have an Air Medal with a silver leaf cluster.
 
2012-06-28 02:27:17 PM
"Wait a minute... you're only pretending that you killed all those brown people overseas, aren't you?"
 
2012-06-28 02:27:17 PM

Loucifer: I can finally go back to calling myself Admiral Steam Cock III.


You mean you stopped?
 
2012-06-28 02:28:13 PM

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What does this do for Libel?


Nothing.
 
2012-06-28 02:28:32 PM

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What does this do for Libel?


IANAL but libel is rigorously defined. It is defamation, publicized statements intended to harm another's standing and are expressly stated or implied to be true while they are actually false.

I suppose you could lie about yourself...to make yourself seem worse...and then sue yourself?
 
2012-06-28 02:28:49 PM

Odd Bird: FLYNAVY covered? Check.

moving along


Does anyone have a link to the famous FLYNAVY thread?
 
2012-06-28 02:29:17 PM
It's ok to lie to the general public, but not to the police or Congress. It's ok for Congress or police to lie to us. Know your place.
 
2012-06-28 02:29:23 PM

Cheesus: Pleased at this ruling:

[img823.imageshack.us image 300x365]


So she's happy at the overturning of a law passed by Bush, Jr.?
 
2012-06-28 02:30:29 PM

Coffee Snob: ggecko: I just don't understand how the First Amendment protects your right to blatantly lie.

I can truly understand the defense of "I didn't know I was lying", but this protects your right to outright lie.

So, now if I lie on a resume' I can just say it is my first Amendment right to do so?

Are you telling me that you honestly don't understand that the First amendment protects your right to free speech only from the government? And that it only prevents the government from restricting your speech, but not from the consequences of said speech? Because if you don't know the difference between the situation in the article and the situation you just laid out, you are a farking moron.


This is not uncommon, unfortunately. Everytime a sports guy or radio DJ makes a homophobic or racist comment, and people call them out for it, there is the inevitable procession "what happened to the first amendment?" idiots lining up on teh internets.
 
2012-06-28 02:30:30 PM

Trance354: Talos: You forgot "Navy SEAL who whacked Bin Laden."

isn't he dead? So, you're in a bar, use that line, and all the guys who hear that ask you how you're doing after that helicopter crash, and you say what? Gotta try and stay with either a living person to emulate/copy the deeds of, or some indistinct person ... kinda like that horrible movie Hero.


As far as I know he's still alive (and unidentified). There's a lot of people who heard about that chopper crash with "SEAL Team Six" on board and assumed it was a four man team or whatever, but IIRC it's a pretty large unit and there's no reason to believe the deceased were related to the bin Laden raid (nor evidence that they weren't, either).
 
2012-06-28 02:30:40 PM

eddiesocket: How was this vote not 9-0? Jesus. Yes, you're allowed to lie in this country.


If Congress is allowed to lie, so are we
 
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