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2012-06-28 12:40:41 PM  
Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:49 PM  

Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?


You got it all wrong, it's broccoli...

/invest Mortimer!!!
 
2012-06-28 12:41:23 PM  
Just watched Lindsey Graham on Fox News. My father and I are laughing hysterically. He is now framing it as a "tax". Can't wait to hear conservatives spit these talking points out verbatum. He is saying "oh we didnt know it was a tax, and its not about the law being unconstitutional." He goes on to say that we are going to repeal and replace the law. He just says that the republican health care plan is not 3500 pages but he gives no specific information on what they will actually put in place instead of Obamacare.

//Like some of the things in the bill, dislike other parts
 
2012-06-28 12:41:24 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 12:41:27 PM  

Anti_illuminati: someonelse: Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.

Wtf are you talking about?

Apparently he doesn't own any credit cards or has a loan of any kind - nor does he think the rest of the country does too.


You no make-ah sense.

It's just a proposal. Let's have a general rule of life that says that you don't make me pay for the stuff you want to have, and I won't make you pay for the stuff I want to have.

You're not in favor of being an institutionalized moocher, are you? You're not seriously going to congratulate yourself for being moral and high-minded because of your generosity with other people's money?
 
2012-06-28 12:41:30 PM  
Sick?

Sick with worry!

/cue the banjos.
 
2012-06-28 12:41:34 PM  

Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?


They made me buy light bulbs I didn't want. I'm renouncing my citizenship. Just as soon as I make a billion dollars. Then I'm outta here.
 
2012-06-28 12:41:36 PM  
It's easy to sum up the Republican reaction to this...

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/I say "Republican" because you don't have to be a Republican to be conservative. Just because the Republicans have turned "conservative" into a dirty word doesn't mean that some conservative beliefs aren't correct.
//you don't always have to vote lockstep with your team. Politics isn't a team sport!
 
2012-06-28 12:41:41 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I've seriously heard 4 year old children throw tantrums that were thought out better than this...... And he's f*cking nodding his head in agreement and muttering to himself.


"brought to you by carl's junior."
"brought to you by carl's junior."
"brought to you by carl's junior."
"brought to you by carl's junior."
"brought to you by carl's junior."
"brought to you by carl's junior."

they've convinced themselves the world would end if this happened. It happened. Now they have some psychological issues to work through.

What we need on TV's now across the nation, out of compassion for panicking conservatives is that SNL sketch with Dan Ackroyd talking down the kid on LSD

(found it: Link ff to 2:15)
 
2012-06-28 12:41:46 PM  
WE GET IT, IT'S BACK!

-John Boehner
 
2012-06-28 12:41:51 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.


You wouldn't drink antifreeze just to report back on us how blind and sick it has made you. Why listen to Limbaugh just to report how crazy he's going? Save your sanity, man!
 
2012-06-28 12:41:52 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.


I have never listened to Limbaugh. Hell I had to look up what station he is on in Chicago. Tuning into today to hear the butthurt. Oh god, he's all over the place. I can't stop laughing at work.
 
2012-06-28 12:41:55 PM  
Those countries with socialized medicine are still around and doing just fine. Not sure what the big farking deal is?
 
2012-06-28 12:42:30 PM  

So the Supreme Court ruled that ObeyCare was A-OK on the grounds that it's a tax.

Which is just what I have said it was from the outset - just like Social Security, Medicare, etc.


PONZI SCHEME


Bernie Madoff would be proud.
 
2012-06-28 12:42:37 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: BTW I want to qualify 'poor' to include middle class.


I want to qualify 'middle class' to include Mitt Romney, but neither of us publish a dictionary, so I guess we are out of luck.
 
2012-06-28 12:42:52 PM  
My mom had major surgery this year made possible by Obamacare - they were able to get her insured because of it. Parents are still voting for all of the people who want to overturn it, of course. It's a bit like trying to save someone who's drowning even though they're fighting tooth and nail to keep you away from them.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:06 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.


You wear panties?
 
2012-06-28 12:43:10 PM  

Joe Blowme: So when your company sees it cheaper to pay the fine and not offer you that HC package, will you still be dancing in the streets?


My company already sees it's cheaper to not take the tax credit and not offer me the HC package, and yet they do it anyway. Perhaps because it's cheaper than paying me enough extra to get my own package.

Funny how that works.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:11 PM  

bhcompy: LoneWolf343: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Don't like it? Leave. You're not an American.

Right to life and right to buy healthcare regardless of means are different things, but you knew that. And, of course, we can go into other means of right to life that will certainly piss you off and cause you to leave because you're apparently not American.


Idiot. The right to life and the right to maintain said life are two different things?
 
2012-06-28 12:43:16 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.

I have never listened to Limbaugh. Hell I had to look up what station he is on in Chicago. Tuning into today to hear the butthurt. Oh god, he's all over the place. I can't stop laughing at work.


That's the point he's a professional troll, the pundit equivalent of Howard Stern.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:27 PM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.

I have never listened to Limbaugh. Hell I had to look up what station he is on in Chicago. Tuning into today to hear the butthurt. Oh god, he's all over the place. I can't stop laughing at work.


I should tune in...maybe his head will explode live on the air...radio history...
 
2012-06-28 12:43:31 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: My mom had major surgery this year made possible by Obamacare - they were able to get her insured because of it.


B-b-b-b-b-b-but... Death panels?
 
2012-06-28 12:43:34 PM  

Buffalo77: Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.


One giant risk pool instead of hundreds of smaller risk pools = less cost for everyone in the giant risk pool because most people are healthy and never use their insurance, leaving premiums to pay for those few that have health issues.


Rosecitybeaver: And the spin is already on at Fox trying to show how this is really a republican idea and the preseident was against it from the get go...That's a hard sell even for Fox at this point...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/individual-health-care-ins u rance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/


By November I full expect them to not be calling it Obamacare as well as claiming the mandate for themselves.

Hell, they may even be calling it National Romneycare by that point.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:37 PM  

Spaz-master: badLogic: "The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."
-Rand Paul

I think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.

Yeah,
you do
Judicial review didn't come about until 1804


It has been a while since I read the justification, but isn't it similar to the right of privacy? It is all but spelled out in the constitution and then the SCOTUS decided they would grant themselves the power.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:42 PM  

Amos Quito: So the Supreme Court ruled that ObeyCare was A-OK on the grounds that it's a tax.

Which is just what I have said it was from the outset - just like Social Security, Medicare, etc.


PONZI SCHEME

Bernie Madoff would be proud.


You mean those social programs that even Republicans won't touch because they actually benefit a lot of people?
 
2012-06-28 12:43:45 PM  

Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.


40 states get together and they can have a constitutional convention and throw the entire FedGov out. Not a shot fired.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:58 PM  
I just came here to say, 1571 comments. Holy shee ot.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:24 PM  

groininjury: The healthcare thing doesn't even matter

What does matter, is now the US Government can force you to engage in commerce against your will with a 3rd party (with no limits), and cant take everything you own away from you, and throw you in jail forever, if you don't do it. There's also no legal recourse to contest it.

The US is now a Totalitarian State.




HAR HAR BUTTHURT BUTTHURT!!!


Just thought I'd get into the spirit of the stupidity of Leftists, since they don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation at the moment.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:28 PM  
Outraged by socialized medicine in the US of A? How about moving to... Canada?

These people all say that's what they're going to do: Derpy Derp
 
2012-06-28 12:44:29 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.


Is he going to pop? Please tell me he's going to pop.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:32 PM  
GOP obsessed with hashtag #fullrepeal

Even heard Mitch McConnell use it in a speech after the decision and you could hear it as a hashtag the way he used it...
 
2012-06-28 12:44:32 PM  
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE LET THERE BE A

"HITLER FINDS OUT OBAMACARE IS CONSTITUTIONAL"!!
 
2012-06-28 12:44:33 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Death panels?


Turned out to be the IRS.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:41 PM  
Limbaugh: 1000 yard stare, solider. been doing this for decades. appeal to authority. Obama playing politics, sidetracks off into alternative historical fiction. rant about SCOTUS. 'they don't have the court to run against' and the GOP has a 'great issue' taxes, fraud, deception. congress reach too far, economy is obama's fault, SCOTUS can't be attacked. SCOTUS ruling is a positive, SCOTUS ruling is a GOP positive, backlash will be large. Obama has nothing. Obama record is failure.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:42 PM  
what a bunch of cocksuckurs. - "activist judges" wait.... they are only activist if they have decisions against me. and here they go.....
 
2012-06-28 12:44:43 PM  

Aikidogamer: farkerofDOOM: Seriously, what's the big deal? Don't want insurance? Pay the tax! You are mandated to have homeowners/car/flood insurance, so what's wrong with health insurance?

You can choose not to own a home, you can choose not to own a car, but you cannot choose not to have health. This argument is a non sequitur.


I see your point. But seriously. What is the big deal. I'm still trying to figure out what all the wharrgarbl is about. You either choose to get insurance or you choose to pay the tax. Big whoop.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:14 PM  

Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.


Humanity made that decision about 7,000 years ago, and the libertarians lost.

It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:15 PM  
As a Fark Independentc, I agree with Robert's ruling. It IS a tax. I don't like Obamacare. My small business is struggling so I had to drop insurance on myself. My wife has a Cadillac plan for her and my son, so we are going to get hit there, too. The whole health care system is royally farked up and I don't believe Obamacare is the answer. Even though there are MAJOR problems with the concept, I think some day we will have to go single payer. You can't give free healthcare to the young, poor and the old at the current price of healthcare, especially since now you don't get old without replacing a few joints, etc. and make a smaller group pay for all of it. Here is some simple math: In today's dollars, how much does the average person make? Take $40k multiply it by 40 years of working.That's $1.6 mil. Take 10% that leaves you with 160K. that is the what we can pay for health care in each of our lives.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:17 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: rigmort: My wife is an underwriting manager. She said that yes, they won't be able to turn you down or rider out for a previous condition or other reason.... but there's nothing that says they can't charge whatever they want. They are now being forced to "insure" against future problems AND current ones. Do you really think they won't cover their own asses?

PREMIUMS WILL GO UPBIGTIME FOR EVERYONE.

Health insurance is cheaper in a large company than in a small one. With a larger pool, premiums should go down.

Of course, we may need additional regulations to keep prices down. And, if insurance companies complain that they can't be profitable, they can shut themselves down and we can pass single payer.

Win-win.


Also there is a provision that if the cheapest plan available you can find that meets the law is above 8% of your income, you don't have to pay the penalty. So it in a weird way caps the maximum cost.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:28 PM  

crazydave023: He just says that the republican health care plan is not 3500 pages


Well, he's right. It's not 3500 pages. It's 0 pages.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:29 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: the devil is in the detail.. as in the fine print. On the surface it appears that the 'poor' are exempt and 'should' actually be better off in terms of health care coverage/insurance BUT you and I know reality is anything but. In practice the this ruling will backfire and the poor will be actually be worst off than today w/o any sort of coverage.


First off, remember that 24 states have signed onto the Medicaid expansion already. Of the 26 that haven't, there will be internal political pressure not to turn down what amounts to a net increase in federal funds. Eventually, most or all of those states will sign onto the Medicaid expansion.

In those states that do not sign onto it, there's a) a strong argument that the mandate was not intended to apply to them without the Medicaid expansion, and b) if it does apply to them, there's going to be strong political pressure to amend the law to exempt them. Most poor people will be better off. The ones who are not will probably be no worse off in the long run.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:29 PM  

colon_pow: i can't argue with robert's reasoning, but he should have kicked it back to congress and make them pass it as a tax.

or try to...


There's nothing in the Constitution requiring Congress to cite which part of the Constitution they're using to pass a law. Although sometimes bills will throw a jurisdictional hook in there, failing to do so has never been grounds for overturning a law -- the vast majority of legislation makes no reference to the Constitution for authority. If it was passed it was passed. Nothing about the language of the bill would change to "pass it as a tax."
 
2012-06-28 12:45:34 PM  

mr lawson: itsallgeek2me: Obamacare went from "it's unconstitutional!" to "It's a tax!" in 2 seconds flat across the board on every conservative news site, twitter account, radio station, and of course FOX.

errrr...... that is because that was what SCOTUS said it was in their ruling


*my point* ===> Woooosh!

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I understand this... I also get that every site glommed on to the exact same spin at the exact same time.
 
2012-06-28 12:46:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Amos Quito: So the Supreme Court ruled that ObeyCare was A-OK on the grounds that it's a tax.

Which is just what I have said it was from the outset - just like Social Security, Medicare, etc.


PONZI SCHEME

Bernie Madoff would be proud.

You mean those social programs that even Republicans won't touch because they actually benefit a lot of people?



Bernie Madoff's clients thought his scheme was pretty cool too.

'Til the chickens came home.
 
2012-06-28 12:46:15 PM  

Buffalo77: Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.

I see many of the posts on this thread talking about how this is a preferable method for paying for healthcare.

Isn't this similar to the prescription drug benefit passed by congress under Bush.

You pick and pay for what ever kind of insurance you want and the services are paid for by a single payer, usually the government.

Single payer is not universal healthcare.

Given most healthcare institutions survive based on people who pay their own way or negotiated rates with private insurance which are above cost, how would single payer allow hospitals to survive?


This is a complex answer.

Part one is that the healthcare is set by the market value. That is to say, there is a dollar value on your illness or injury. Someone wants to profit off of it. May the best negotiator win! Better hope it's your insurer.

The second is that the infamous "death panels" are looking at the bottom line. Is it more profitable to keep you alive and fully functional to pay them more money, or more profitable to let you kick off?

Part three is where the government simply has deeper pockets than a private insurer. A government can be expected to be more interested in keeping you healthy. A corporate entity can tell you to fark off and try someone else. This is especially an issue as the boomers move through retirement, retirement homes, and graveyards. It's not going to be cheap. A government can download this debt onto the next generation, an insurer may not be able to.

But really, the bottom line is - for profit healthcare is putting a pricetag on your well-being. Your Constitution tells you that everyman has the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Doesn't health form a part of that, as much as security from fire, robbery, or foreign invasion? The USA spends more dollars per result than any other Western nation. Those nations being compared all have socialized medicine.
 
2012-06-28 12:46:28 PM  
Mmmm...never mind. To listen live from his site, you need to sign up for his newsletter, and I'm not giving that greasy hog my info...not even my fake info.
 
2012-06-28 12:46:37 PM  
Was planning on avoiding Fark until next week because I didn't want to read about what I thought would be the Court's decision, i.e., it would be repealed.

Don't have time to read all the comments but I really thought Roberts would vote to keep Obamacare intact. I can't really say why I thought this would be the case but I'm not at all surprised. And lo and behold, not only did he vote for it but he was the swing vote.

It would be hilarious if the Lunatic Brigade tried to have him impeached.
 
2012-06-28 12:47:02 PM  
So, I have health insurance already. And I had cancer a few years back. Im much better now, thankfully.
Every year, the price of my policy goes up significantly.
How will Obamacare help me?
 
2012-06-28 12:47:19 PM  

Purdue_Pete: Either have 100% socialized medicine... or stay out of our lives.


Many countries started by socializing the emergency care aspect. This is a natural extension to covering fire and police services. Covering people who can't afford private insurance is a natural extension to that. Ultimately, single-payer seems the next logical step because it is the most cost effective but more importantly helps you control the increases in health care costs which would be insane under a private insurance model.

Free-market works well for some things and bad for others. It has to with something having an inelastic demand. If people claiming to understand "free market" principles, they should actually understand this.
 
2012-06-28 12:47:43 PM  

SubBass49: Mmmm...never mind. To listen live from his site, you need to sign up for his newsletter, and I'm not giving that greasy hog my info...not even my fake info.


I'll just leave this here.
 
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