Weaver95: Romney is blatantly lying again....
farkerofDOOM: Seriously, what's the big deal? Don't want insurance? Pay the tax! You are mandated to have homeowners/car/flood insurance, so what's wrong with health insurance?
Babwa Wawa: Local Man: Why does CNN have "Mandate Struck Down" tattooed on their front page...?/which news agency has reading comprehension issues?!?[i.imgur.com image 640x450]
someonelse: justtray: What's the countdown before the outrage that we shouldn't call it Obamacare anymore now that it is constitutional? I doubt we go a week before the Right Wing hypocrisy comes full circle and starts complaining about how it shouldn't be called that.The more people start actually paying attention to what's in this program (and many people are somehow just doing this now), the more Republicans will regret dubbing it "Obamacare." I find that hilarious.
netweavr: The executive branch levies taxes?
david_gaithersburg: ignatius_crumbcake: Dancin_In_Anson: Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.Or, alternatively, he could get health insurance and pull his own weight...Farking lazy poor people.
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Thunderpipes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Thunderpipes: 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.Oh yeah, the States just love turning away Federal money.Read the ruling, moron. Feds cannot withold money if states don't expand their Medicaid. That was the ruling. They cannot be penalized and will retain what they have. They just don't need to accept a while bunch of new people and be saddled with the burden. Big win. Obamacare was counting on this use of force to drum up money.Again: the States just love turning money away. "Oh, you're going to give us more money for a new program?.. no, no, we're fine... we'll just sit here with our thumbs up our butts until our constituents find out we're leaving money on the table."/It makes for great political grandstanding, but ultimately the States never refuse this kind of money even if there are strings attached.
david_gaithersburg: Starting in 2014, the fine for not carrying insurance would be $95 a year or 1 percent of a person's income, whichever is greater. In 2015 that would jump to $325 or 2 percent of income and in 2016 the fine would be $695 or 2.5 percent of income.2.5% What a coinkidink, the average American is also that same amount away from being homeless. Popcorn anyone?
Thunderpipes: Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.
DarnoKonrad: stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.takin' yer jerb
Sir Vanderhoot: AmazinTim: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hardYou must mean suck it everyone, now we'll never fix health care. We'll just keep patching scabby band-aids onto the issue, just like this bill.I was really hoping it would get struck down, then force a complete overhaul single-payer plan. Make health insurance companies obsolete completely.Oh well. Maybe in a few decades we can join the rest of the civilized world.
david_gaithersburg: Has anyone here ever opted to purchase the COBRA offered by their employer? Bwahahahaha! Its now THE LAW suckhars.
HeartBurnKid: someonelse: justtray: What's the countdown before the outrage that we shouldn't call it Obamacare anymore now that it is constitutional? I doubt we go a week before the Right Wing hypocrisy comes full circle and starts complaining about how it shouldn't be called that.The more people start actually paying attention to what's in this program (and many people are somehow just doing this now), the more Republicans will regret dubbing it "Obamacare." I find that hilarious.Nah, they'll just start saying that Obama created the Obamacare label to feed his giant ego. When it comes to cognitive dissonance, nobody can beat the GOP.
muck4doo: I'll say it. As a Conservative, yes, I'm not happy with this, but it isn't the worst news in the world. I hope this plan works now that it has been given the okay.
Itstoearly: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"You have no idea how the supreme court works. Their job is to judge if something is constitutional, regardless of how awesome or terrible an idea is. They do not judge value.
hubiestubert: Weaver95: Romney is blatantly lying again....Well, he was initially one of the backers for the plan, but that was back in Mass. Good enough for his state, not so much for anyone else's...
L82DPRT: Here I was hoping President Jackwagon's legacy would be getting us off foreign oil.Some 'Let's put a man on the moon" Moment but nope just another massive expansion of the Welfare State any Farking TOTUS could put his BHO on.Congrats Way To Go Big Dreamer.
Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.
snocone: muck4doo: Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]Here.I made enough for everyone.: )Yummy!Can't be the only one recalling Mythbusters popcorn.Won't be enough, better get on it.
Anti_illuminati: But he didn't raise my taxes.
rigmort: My wife is an underwriting manager. She said that yes, they won't be able to turn you down or rider out for a previous condition or other reason.... but there's nothing that says they can't charge whatever they want. They are now being forced to "insure" against future problems AND current ones. Do you really think they won't cover their own asses?PREMIUMS WILL GO UPBIGTIME FOR EVERYONE.
NeoCortex42: Either way, I just want Obama to pressure Romney into explicitly stating what he'd replace ObamaCare with. Hey, if Romney has some amazing solution that would fix things even better, I'm willing to listen to it.
NutznGum: DarnoKonrad: stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.takin' yer jerbThey'll be after our white women next.
colon_pow: i can't argue with robert's reasoning, but he should have kicked it back to congress and make them pass it as a tax.or try to...
D_Evans45: Republicans sound like such miserly douches."Can't work? Shrivel up and die then!"
downpaymentblues: Obama should come out and say "I was initially reluctant to accept the Republican plan regarding the mandate and tax. They had been proposing this for over a decade, but I felt it was unconstitutional. We accepted the tax mandate in the spirit of compromise, and now the Supreme Court has held that it is constitutional".I would enjoy the online commentary SO much more...
Lsherm: meat0918: There is no jail time associated with this. I think it's explicitly not allowed. They'll adjust your refund instead.Just a note: not everyone gets refunds. And talk to Wesley Snipes about jail time for not paying taxes.
someonelse: Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.Wtf are you talking about?
Darth_Lukecash: Itstoearly: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"You have no idea how the supreme court works. Their job is to judge if something is constitutional, regardless of how awesome or terrible an idea is. They do not judge value.Actually, the reason why this is such a big deal is the court HAS been partisan with votes split down 5-4. In fact many thought Kennedy, a moderate, would vote for it.Roberts just got himself a big piece of history.
GBB: david_gaithersburg: Has anyone here ever opted to purchase the COBRA offered by their employer? Bwahahahaha! Its now THE LAW suckhars.As a matter of fact, Yes, I have. Disney (WDW) offers some of the cheapest premiums of any employer that is not the Federal Government. I can't remember the exact amount, but damn, was it cheap!! Most of the time, when you are offered COBRA, you pay the full amount and then discover how much your employer has been kicking in for you. I can only assume that because of how many employees they have, and they are unionized, the premiums are so cheap that Disney (WDW) doesn't chip in at all.A+++++ Will do again.But, yes, I know what you are getting at; COBRA is an unaffordable option for someone that is no longer employed.
Serious Black: Paging The_Six_Fingered_Man: I have a question. Suppose you set up your withholding so that you owe, say, $500 on your income tax bill on April 15. Further suppose that you do not hold health insurance and are subject to the $695 payment. If you send the IRS $500 to try and cover your income tax bill but not any of the $695 shared responsibility payment, can the IRS use that $500 effectively as a down payment on the shared responsibility payment and then come after you for the $500 that you didn't pay on your other tax liability?
The_Sponge: True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.
GhostFish: Years later, and the GOP is still getting farked over by Bush's actions.
Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?
The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: But he didn't raise my taxes.True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.
SuperNinjaToad: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"what do you think this ruling is then when you really apply in IRL scenerios? it is exactly that... fark the poor and 'tax' them more for not having health insurance.
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