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2012-06-29 08:32:04 PM

TsukasaK: Waldo Pepper: you are still missing the point. the freedom to take the gamble is my right

Not anymore. Now you can be a responsible human being or pay a bit extra on your taxes. And if you can't afford it, it's still provided for you.

You lose. Good day sir.


you're right I do lose when the government invades my life and forces to buy a product that I might not want or need and if I don't I have to pay a tax.

in the long run only big government and big business win on mandatory healthcare.
 
2012-06-29 08:42:13 PM
Tax.... hmmm

I only pay 40% of my insurance cost. My company picks up the rest. If I chose not to have any insurance at all the so-called 'tax' (which is more properly called a penalty or fine) would be cheaper than what I pay now. Just what I pay... which is 40% remember of the actual cost. The penalty (tax) is about half what I pay.

Further more if I were to get on the state exchange insurance program that too is cheaper than what I pay now and it's a better plan (from what I can tell this early in the process)
 
2012-06-29 09:23:45 PM

Waldo Pepper: you're right I do lose when the government invades my life and forces to buy a product that I might not want or need


You "need" it by default (unless you're going to tell me that you will never in your life seek healthcare).

If you are financially secure enough so that is your argument, then the tiny tax you will have to pay is insignificant.

If you are not, then you need it even more - and even better, you won't have to pay a cent for it.

If you're middle class, you're stupid to not have it. One bad event uninsured and you will be bankrupt - and who do you think pays for that? It ain't free.

This is about responsibility - something republicans are always crowing about. I guess responsibility only matters when you're denying the poor welfare huh?

There there it'll be okay. You'll find some other way to oppress the 1%
 
2012-06-29 10:18:19 PM

Waldo Pepper: you're right I do lose when the government invades my life and forces to buy a product that I might not want or need and if I don't I have to pay a tax.



HALP! IM BEING OPPRESSED!

Waldo Pepper: in the long run only big government and big business win on mandatory healthcare.



says... nobody
 
2012-06-29 10:20:54 PM

intelligent comment below: Waldo Pepper: you're right I do lose when the government invades my life and forces to buy a product that I might not want or need and if I don't I have to pay a tax.


HALP! IM BEING OPPRESSED!

Waldo Pepper: in the long run only big government and big business win on mandatory healthcare.


says... nobody


doesn't mean I'm wrong. give it time.
 
2012-06-29 10:35:14 PM

TsukasaK: Waldo Pepper: you're right I do lose when the government invades my life and forces to buy a product that I might not want or need

You "need" it by default (unless you're going to tell me that you will never in your life seek healthcare).

If you are financially secure enough so that is your argument, then the tiny tax you will have to pay is insignificant.

If you are not, then you need it even more - and even better, you won't have to pay a cent for it.

If you're middle class, you're stupid to not have it. One bad event uninsured and you will be bankrupt - and who do you think pays for that? It ain't free.

This is about responsibility - something republicans are always crowing about. I guess responsibility only matters when you're denying the poor welfare huh?

There there it'll be okay. You'll find some other way to oppress the 1%


I have not made this political at not point have I mentioned either side. it is possible to have an opinion without listening to either party.

then I guess we should go back to outlawing alcohol, ban tobacco, kill the gambling and porn industry. we don't really need any of those things and they cost the taxpayers to handle all those addictions, lost wages, ruined health and families.

what's next mandatory life insurance? hate to be a burden on the taxpayers in case I die and I have no money or no family to bury me.

unlike driving or having a mortgage both of which I can choose not to do, I can't choose not to buy into this program.

I never said not having insurance is a wise choice, I simply said I should have that freedom of choice and not be taxed for not buying a service.

it is not personal responsibility if the government requires you to buy it.
 
2012-06-29 11:21:54 PM

Waldo Pepper: doesn't mean I'm wrong. give it time.



Your Ph.D. in economics came from where?
 
2012-06-29 11:33:02 PM

Waldo Pepper:
I never said not having insurance is a wise choice, I simply said I should have that freedom of choice and not be taxed for not buying a service.

it is not personal responsibility if the government requires you to buy it.


How about this. Anyone can exercise their "freedom of choice" to not have health insurance. In exchange they must have a DNR/T (Do Not Resuscitate/Treat) chip implanted. This way they will not be gambling with other people's money.
When an EMT is called out, they will use their smart phone to scan for the DNR/T chip. If one is found, they will pack up and leave them their on the sidewalk.
If they are brought to the hospital by friends, family, or a bystander, they will need to post $100k bond before they can be admitted for treatment.

Does that work for you?
 
2012-06-30 12:04:02 AM
 
2012-06-30 12:38:36 AM

TIKIMAN87: jkusmier: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

You obviously have no understanding of the dimensions of the health care crisis in this country, or of the savings the Act will eventually realize. HINT: the taxpayers are already footing the bill, which grows ever larger every year. Oh well.

Hmm, and now just by being alive you have to purchase something or get fined.

In 2009 Obama said it was not a tax, yet his lawywers in the SCOTUS argued it WAS a tax.

Obama just raised taxes on everyone in the united states.

It's disgusting how much our a*shole president lies.


Hilarious. If you don't want to purchase something you don't want like fire departments and schools and police, all you have to do is live without money! Because that's totally a choice.
 
2012-06-30 02:15:25 AM

Waldo Pepper: you are still missing the point. the freedom to take the gamble is my right. you say someone else would be stuck with paying, well if it is my family and they accept the gamble how is this wrong?


It is wrong if you and your family are not gambling with your own stakes.
 
2012-06-30 03:50:39 AM
...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
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2012-06-30 08:39:04 AM
This taste... it's of a phake innternet dentist!
 
2012-06-30 08:50:17 AM

badLogic: Waldo Pepper:
I never said not having insurance is a wise choice, I simply said I should have that freedom of choice and not be taxed for not buying a service.

it is not personal responsibility if the government requires you to buy it.

How about this. Anyone can exercise their "freedom of choice" to not have health insurance. In exchange they must have a DNR/T (Do Not Resuscitate/Treat) chip implanted. This way they will not be gambling with other people's money.
When an EMT is called out, they will use their smart phone to scan for the DNR/T chip. If one is found, they will pack up and leave them their on the sidewalk.
If they are brought to the hospital by friends, family, or a bystander, they will need to post $100k bond before they can be admitted for treatment.

Does that work for you?


nope
 
2012-06-30 08:51:22 AM

Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
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auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.
 
2012-06-30 10:49:16 AM

Waldo Pepper: auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.


Do you have a license?
 
2012-06-30 11:27:15 AM

Waldo Pepper: Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
[img.photobucket.com image 320x240]

auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.


Health insurance is similar. If you don't have a human body, you're not required to have health insurance.

/For cats and dogs, health insurance is optional.
 
2012-06-30 11:41:07 AM
I know this thread is winding down, and this point has been made hundreds of times by posters above me, but I want to get it in one last time all the same.

You can't hold back progress forever.

SUCK IT, CONS.
 
2012-06-30 01:26:02 PM

TsukasaK: I know this thread is winding down, and this point has been made hundreds of times by posters above me, but I want to get it in one last time all the same.

You can't hold back progress forever.

SUCK IT, CONS.


is this truly progress?
 
2012-06-30 02:27:24 PM

mgshamster: Waldo Pepper: Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
[img.photobucket.com image 320x240]

auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.

Health insurance is similar. If you don't have a human body, you're not required to have health insurance.

/For cats and dogs, health insurance is optional.


I can sell my car and take the.bus. I can't turn into an animal.
 
2012-06-30 03:24:04 PM

Waldo Pepper: is this truly progress?


If you're not a "GUBMIT BAD MMKAY?" libertarian, then yes, it is progress. Only a little, not what everyone wanted, but progress nonetheless. The United States is one step closer to being on parity with other first world nations.
 
2012-06-30 04:53:32 PM

genner: mgshamster: Waldo Pepper: Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
[img.photobucket.com image 320x240]

auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.

Health insurance is similar. If you don't have a human body, you're not required to have health insurance.

/For cats and dogs, health insurance is optional.

I can sell my car and take the.bus. I can't turn into an animal.


Humans are animals.
 
2012-06-30 06:20:39 PM

mgshamster: genner: mgshamster: Waldo Pepper: Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
[img.photobucket.com image 320x240]

auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.

Health insurance is similar. If you don't have a human body, you're not required to have health insurance.

/For cats and dogs, health insurance is optional.

I can sell my car and take the.bus. I can't turn into an animal.

Humans are animals.


Then they should be exempt like dogs and cats.
 
2012-07-01 01:22:27 AM

bhcompy: I'm sorry that you have a problem that causes you to be a huge insurance liability, but none of our founding documents claim that life is fair, just that, essentially, the government shouldn't get in the way of you living your life freely, and they weren't before this law was created.


It's simple. Do you think uninsured people with medical emergencies should be ejected from emergency rooms and allowed to die on the sidewalk?

If so, you're a sociopath. Get help.

If not, you agree that something has to be done to tackle the free rider problem. This bill does that. Deal with it, and get over it.
 
2012-07-01 02:06:41 AM

Waldo Pepper: Surool: ...and yet you don't biatch about mandatory car insurance

Sit down, Waldo!
[img.photobucket.com image 320x240]

auto insurance is not mandatory. If I don't have a driver's license I'm to required to have auto insurance.


It is if you drive as you've acknowledged.

You do have a pulse... feel free to eliminate that as your need for heath care at any time.
 
2012-07-01 04:10:24 AM

TsukasaK: Waldo Pepper: is this truly progress?

If you're not a "GUBMIT BAD MMKAY?" libertarian, then yes, it is progress. Only a little, not what everyone wanted, but progress nonetheless. The United States is one step closer to being on parity with other first world nations.


at what point do we want to be on parity with others. it has ruined the NFL why should we strive to like everyone else. I always thought the USA healthcare was best in the world.

I agree we need reform but don't tax me for not buying into a product or service.

what's next if I don't give a certain percent of my income to charity then I will have to pay a tax to help cover the difference.
 
2012-07-01 09:36:54 AM

Waldo Pepper: I always thought the USA healthcare was best in the world.


Only if you're rich. Only in the USA is a medical condition the number one cause of bankruptcy.

Waldo Pepper: but don't tax me for not buying into a product or service.


Why all this posturing? You know damn well you're going to end up with some kind of insurance, ether through your employer or through the free provided insurance if you have financial difficulties. (Oh, and by the way, you can get the penalty/tax thing waived if you are above the income cutoff yet are still having cash flow issues).

The only people going to get hit by the tax are those who can, should, but just *won't* carry insurance. I.e. idiots.

Waldo Pepper: what's next if I don't give a certain percent of my income to charity then I will have to pay a tax to help cover the difference.


Because that's toatally the same thing. I'm sorry entering the modern era is such a difficult thing for you.
 
2012-07-01 10:34:31 AM

Waldo Pepper: I agree we need reform but don't tax me for not buying into a product or service.


You already get taxed for not buying a product or service.

If you don't purchase a house with a mortgage, you pay a tax penalty. If you do, you don't pay the penalty. So the tax code punishes people who do not purchase homes and do not purchase capital, typically from a bank.
 
2012-07-01 12:38:51 PM

Waldo Pepper: I always thought the USA healthcare was best in the world.


Common myth. We're 37th.

Link
 
2012-07-01 01:46:44 PM

Man On Pink Corner: bhcompy: I'm sorry that you have a problem that causes you to be a huge insurance liability, but none of our founding documents claim that life is fair, just that, essentially, the government shouldn't get in the way of you living your life freely, and they weren't before this law was created.

It's simple. Do you think uninsured people with medical emergencies should be ejected from emergency rooms and allowed to die on the sidewalk?

If so, you're a sociopath. Get help.

If not, you agree that something has to be done to tackle the free rider problem. This bill does that. Deal with it, and get over it.


How does it deal with it? You get health insurance of a sort, right? A hospital stay is going to cost thousands of dollars out of pocket. Who pays that cost? The people that are too poor to afford even a health insurance premium or the taxpayer?
 
2012-07-01 02:26:00 PM

TsukasaK: I know this thread is winding down, and this point has been made hundreds of times by posters above me, but I want to get it in one last time all the same.

You can't hold back progress forever.

SUCK IT, CONS.


I just printed this out so I can laugh till I shiat myself in a half a year.

/dumbassness knows no political boundaries
 
2012-07-01 04:34:56 PM

kimmygibblershomework: TsukasaK: I know this thread is winding down, and this point has been made hundreds of times by posters above me, but I want to get it in one last time all the same.

You can't hold back progress forever.

SUCK IT, CONS.

I just printed this out so I can laugh till I shiat myself in a half a year.

/dumbassness knows no political boundaries


Bookmarked in case I get to poke you with it. Do you have statisticals to really make it classic?
 
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