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2012-06-28 10:50:58 PM  

NateGrey: Teabaggers want to protest but they are all on Disability. NO JOKE


Yeah, well, at least they WANT to protest. OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...
 
2012-06-28 10:51:46 PM  

Team Coors Light: Am I "way off base" here?


Yes.
 
2012-06-28 10:52:33 PM  

xanadian: NateGrey: Teabaggers want to protest but they are all on Disability. NO JOKE

Yeah, well, at least they WANT to protest. OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...


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2012-06-28 10:53:13 PM  

xanadian: OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...



False talking point is false
 
2012-06-28 10:58:38 PM  

Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.


Yes, absolutely, you will be subject to a tax. And rightfully so. For every 1000 or so people like yourself that roll the dice, there is one who gets cancer at 29, racks up a shiatload of bills, and then stiffs the hospital because they are only working part time and have no means to pay for their care. Which screws over the rest of us.

So yes, you will be subject to a tax.

Now hopefully, with the health exchanges and your employer kicking in a bit, you can pick up a high deductible plan that is cheap but will cover catastrophic stuff. But you're free ride is over.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:56 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.

Looking through the thread, you're not going to be paying anything, you will be allowed on your parents' healthcare, and the other doomsday scenarios are nonexistent or severely over-exaggerated.


I thought the law said 26... I am 29.

The other senarios are not "doomsday", "nonexistant", or over-exaggerated". My company is state-funded (in CA, out of general fund), and has taken 3 catastrophic funding cuts in the last 3 years. I assure you, there is no "exaggeration" in my senario...

...and it is not "made-up" Mojo
 
2012-06-28 11:01:29 PM  

Team Coors Light: ...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job


Again, possibly not, no, because it seems pretty likely that an unsubsidized silver plan would cost more than 8% of your gross income so you'd be exempt from the mandate if the subsidies aren't funded. Could be possible, though, if you were a part-timer but making more than $22-25 an hour.

If you're like most part-timers, though, you'll probably qualify for subsidized insurance. If you're making, say, 200% of the poverty line, your premiums are subsidized beyond 6.3% of your income. So, you'd pay $1,365 a year for decent insurance. Or pay $695 in tax penalty (since the 8% exemption rule applies to post-subsidy cost, you wouldn't actually be exempt if the subsidies are funded). Your call.

My sympathies. Let me show you them.
 
2012-06-28 11:03:10 PM  

Team Coors Light: The other senarios are not "doomsday", "nonexistant", or over-exaggerated". My company is state-funded (in CA, out of general fund), and has taken 3 catastrophic funding cuts in the last 3 years. I assure you, there is no "exaggeration" in my senario...


What, you work for a company with 20 employees?
 
2012-06-28 11:09:23 PM  
Joe the Plumber is posting on Fark?
 
2012-06-28 11:15:01 PM  

NateGrey: Joe the Plumber Sam the Unlicensed Handyman is posting on Fark?


FTFY
 
2012-06-28 11:15:46 PM  

Publikwerks: Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.

Yes, absolutely, you will be subject to a tax. And rightfully so. For every 1000 or so people like yourself that roll the dice, there is one who gets cancer at 29, racks up a shiatload of bills, and then stiffs the hospital because they are only working part time and have no means to pay for their care. Which screws over the rest of us.

So yes, you will be subject to a tax.

Now hopefully, with the health exchanges and your employer kicking in a bit, you can pick up a high deductible plan that is cheap but will cover catastrophic stuff. But you're free ride is over.




What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

My employer will most-likley not "kick-in" anything, I have to buy something with a "high deductible" (in which case that I have to use it, I can not pay for the deductable because I am paying for the coverage...) All the while, I just want to have the money for rent, public transit, clothes from the goodwill, and the new iProduct! WTF...?!?!

You know...between you, Mojo, intelligent comment below, Keizer, and dlp...I received very different answers. Do you liberals even know what kind of shiat you are shoveling?!

Honestly?!?! Are you just behind the ideal of "change" or do you actually want to "exact" change?!

...and do not come after me...I have spent more than half my life providing services and supports for people that can not take care of themselves. I have always had the "heart" to affect change for those that cannot make it on their own. I have lived by the "whims" of the State of California...and have made things better for the "most-in-need" in our society.

...but this is wrong...and you "supporters" cannot even agree on a simple, real life, scenario.

Yes, you have been trolled...but it is obvious that you are the trolls...

/iamriite
 
2012-06-28 11:16:00 PM  

Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.


Yes, you are way off base.

1. There's no requirement to extend insurance to part-time employees, nor penalty for failing to do so. Your employer can continue to not offer you insurance.

2. If you're only part-time, your income is probably low enough that the government will pay nearly all of the premiums; you may well be low enough income to not have any penalty even if you were uninsured.

3. The insurance exchange will help you get lower-priced insurance without your employer.

4. You should either buy health insurance or pay the penalty, because you are ALSO legally guaranteed a minimum level of health service even if you can't pay. If you were hit by a car tomorrow, a hospital would be legally obligated to stabilize you even if they knew you would not pay. You can pay something in to the system that is guaranteed to give you something out if you need emergency care.
 
2012-06-28 11:17:25 PM  

Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

My employer will most-likley not "kick-in" anything, I have to buy something with a "high deductible" (in which case that I have to use it, I can not pay for the deductable because I am paying for the coverage...) All the while, I just want to have the money for rent, public transit, clothes from the goodwill, and the new iProduct! WTF...?!?!

You know...between you, Mojo, intelligent comment below, Keizer, and dlp...I received very different answers. Do you liberals even know what kind of shiat you are shoveling?!

Honestly?!?! Are you just behind the ideal of "change" or do you actually want to "exact" change?!

...and do not come after me...I have spent more than half my life providing services and supports for people that can not take care of themselves. I have always had the "heart" to affect change for those that cannot make it on their own. I have lived by the "whims" of the State of California...and have made things better for the "most-in-need" in our society.

...but this is wrong...and you "supporters" cannot even agree on a simple, real life, scenario.

Yes, you have been trolled...but it is obvious that you are the trolls...

/iamriite



And we're done here. Another moronic troll to add to my list
 
2012-06-28 11:18:55 PM  

Team Coors Light: My employer will most-likley not "kick-in" anything, I have to buy something with a "high deductible" (in which case that I have to use it, I can not pay for the deductable because I am paying for the coverage...) All the while, I just want to have the money for rent, public transit, clothes from the goodwill, and the new iProduct! WTF...?!?!

You know...between you, Mojo, intelligent comment below, Keizer, and dlp...I received very different answers. Do you liberals even know what kind of shiat you are shoveling?!

Honestly?!?! Are you just behind the ideal of "change" or do you actually want to "exact" change?!

...and do not come after me...I have spent more than half my life providing services and supports for people that can not take care of themselves. I have always had the "heart" to affect change for those that cannot make it on their own. I have lived by the "whims" of the State of California...and have made things better for the "most-in-need" in our society.

...but this is wrong...and you "supporters" cannot even agree on a simple, real life, scenario.

Yes, you have been trolled...but it is obvious that you are the trolls...

/iamriite


Please, please be very careful. If you take a wrong step and break an ankle...you're bankrupt. If you get some infection in an organ...you're bankrupt and possibly dead.

Seriously, please be careful. For what little it's worth, I wish you luck that you don't accidentally eat an undercooked burger or anything else beyond your control.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:57 PM  

Team Coors Light: ...and it is not "made-up" Mojo


Sure it is. For example, we can point to Canada, France, Australia, Finland, and the United Kingdom, which in all cases have lower corporate taxes than the United States and universal health insurance. The logical deduction to make from this is that prior evidence indicates countries with universal access to coverage have corporations with lower tax burdens. Somehow you have decided that -- all historical evidence aside -- means the business you work for will take a "hit" when every indication says that this will in fact ease their burden.

So yes, it's shiat you just made up.
 
2012-06-28 11:19:31 PM  
FFS, what the hell about this topic couldn't be said in the first 1500 posts? Damn, people.
 
2012-06-28 11:21:17 PM  

coeyagi: FFS, what the hell about this topic couldn't be said in the first 1500 posts? Damn, people.


I was at work, i couldn't star reading till it was almost 3000.
 
2012-06-28 11:25:06 PM  

Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.


I would say yes, you're pretty distant from reality.

I have large doubts that your company will have to shut down because they are forced to offer you a minimal amount of insurance. This bullshiat line reminds me of, "my company would hire more people if they didn't get taxed so much."

And if you really are that poor, you might qualify for huge subsidies for health insurance.

And if you still refuse to get health insurance, and if you really don't make that much money, you might qualify not to be hit with this new tax / penalty in 2014.

And if you lost your job, then you'd definitely not be hit with the penalty.

Young people that think they're never going to need healthcare are just so damn ignorant. Accidents happen.
 
2012-06-28 11:27:04 PM  
Blast from the past! Relevant today.

Shortage of Doctors an Obstacle to Obama Goals
 
2012-06-28 11:28:44 PM  

SilentStrider: coeyagi: FFS, what the hell about this topic couldn't be said in the first 1500 posts? Damn, people.

I was at work, i couldn't star reading till it was almost 3000.


Work stopped you from the political discussion of the year (until November)? Your boss must be very proud.
 
2012-06-28 11:32:32 PM  

mrshowrules: Sum Dum Gai: mrshowrules: It isn't that complicated. If use the free market to price something with an inelastic demand it won't work. If I had a pill that would save your life, what would you pay me for it? Free market works well for things that have elastic demand. Think of police and fire services as an example of something that makes more sense to use a socialized model, extend that to emergency care and you will start to see why every other industrialized country in the world has some type of universal care model.

I would love to see universal health care. Maybe sometime in my lifetime I will. Certainly not today.

The PPACA is better than the old status quo by a lot. It won't solve every problem, but it will help a lot of people. I think this also makes it more likely to someday see universal health care in this nation.

You could have it tomorrow. You already have Medicare which is single-payer. You have it for the sickest and oldest segment of the population. Extend the risk pool to healthier and healthier people and it will become cheaper and cheaper. Anthony Weiner proposed this and if he wasnt such a perv he might have gotten somewhere with it.


Just throwin it out there, the government contracts with private insurers to provide medicare in each state, it isn't exactly "single" payer in that there is a variety of medicare payers depending on what state (and in some cases what part of the state) you are in.
 
2012-06-28 11:33:20 PM  

Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!


And how long will that last? We all die. Sometimes it's fast, often it's not. When it isn't fast, the hospital bills can run into the $100,000's or $millions (I've seen it happen among relatives). If you continue to work part-time, you are unlikely to ever have that much saved up, so if you are uninsured -- sooner or later -- you will stiff the hospital (and the rest of us) with a bill. Accidents, cancer, heart disease -- take your pick. Our clocks are all ticking.
 
2012-06-28 11:35:24 PM  

bhcompy: You can, but it's expensive, because you're a huge liability. That's how insurance is supposed to work.


No, that's not AT ALL how insurance is supposed to work. Insurance is supposed to spread the costs out over the insured. That's what a risk pool IS.
 
2012-06-28 11:35:34 PM  

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: If Obama raises taxes on tanning beds, did he raise taxes for EVERY American?


No, he didn't raise them for EVERY American, but he did for some members of the middle class.

His words:


"I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HE-rGGKksQ

But God forbid that your beloved Obama broke a promise.


Except the decision explicitly stated that this wasn't a tax under statute law, but only under constitutional law. So he was technically correct. (The best kind)

/Conservative
/My pre-existing condition is "Autism"
/Suck it Freepers!
 
2012-06-28 11:37:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I have large doubts that your company will have to shut down because they are forced to offer you a minimal amount of insurance.



Part time employees get health care through a separate fund, not related to an employer. Employers aren't forced to provide health care to anyone
 
2012-06-28 11:38:39 PM  

intelligent comment below: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

My employer will most-likley not "kick-in" anything, I have to buy something with a "high deductible" (in which case that I have to use it, I can not pay for the deductable because I am paying for the coverage...) All the while, I just want to have the money for rent, public transit, clothes from the goodwill, and the new iProduct! WTF...?!?!

You know...between you, Mojo, intelligent comment below, Keizer, and dlp...I received very different answers. Do you liberals even know what kind of shiat you are shoveling?!

Honestly?!?! Are you just behind the ideal of "change" or do you actually want to "exact" change?!

...and do not come after me...I have spent more than half my life providing services and supports for people that can not take care of themselves. I have always had the "heart" to affect change for those that cannot make it on their own. I have lived by the "whims" of the State of California...and have made things better for the "most-in-need" in our society.

...but this is wrong...and you "supporters" cannot even agree on a simple, real life, scenario.

Yes, you have been trolled...but it is obvious that you are the trolls...

/iamriite


And we're done here. Another moronic troll to add to my list



So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...
 
2012-06-28 11:41:53 PM  

jshine: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

And how long will that last? We all die. Sometimes it's fast, often it's not. When it isn't fast, the hospital bills can run into the $100,000's or $millions (I've seen it happen among relatives). If you continue to work part-time, you are unlikely to ever have that much saved up, so if you are uninsured -- sooner or later -- you will stiff the hospital (and the rest of us) with a bill. Accidents, cancer, heart disease -- take your pick. Our clocks are all ticking.



Reference = Canada

Yes, we all die...some not soon enough, others far past their prime. What is life if you are sustained by a machine in a facility...which will not happen with ZeroBamaCare...

Your point?
 
2012-06-28 11:42:28 PM  

JerkStore: So the Republican talking point boils down to semantics and wordplay: it's now a tax and Obama's a lair.

That's pretty weak, guys. Pretty damned weak.


Which is ironic because before this ruling they were saying "It's NOT a tax, so it's unconstitutional!!"

So under their logic they were lying to us too.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:29 PM  

Team Coors Light: So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...


No, so easy to dismiss because you can't take 5 minutes to figure out that you aren't screwed by PPACA, but in fact are better off because of it.

healthcare.gov

Wiki
 
2012-06-28 11:43:54 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


You obviously have no understanding of the dimensions of the health care crisis in this country, or of the savings the Act will eventually realize. HINT: the taxpayers are already footing the bill, which grows ever larger every year. Oh well.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:03 PM  

Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!


Ah, 29, but still thinking like an 18yr old. Scary shiat!
 
2012-06-28 11:44:27 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.

I would say yes, you're pretty distant from reality.

I have large doubts that your company will have to shut down because they are forced to offer you a minimal amount of insurance. This bullshiat line reminds me of, "my company would hire more people if they didn't get taxed so much."

And if you really are that poor, you might qualify for huge subsidies for health insurance.

And if you still refuse to get health insurance, and if you really don't make that much money, you might qualify not to be hit with this new tax / penalty in 2014.

And if you lost your job, then you'd definitely not be hit with the penalty.

Young people that think they're never going to need healthcare are just so damn ignorant. Accidents happen.


AFLAC, shiathead...AFLAC!

Part-timers can get that through work!

Damn it, you are stupid.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:58 PM  

jkusmier: You obviously have no understanding of the dimensions of the health care crisis in this country, or of the savings the Act will eventually realize. HINT: the taxpayers are already footing the bill, which grows ever larger every year. Oh well.


He's a troll account, dude. He's not even a real person with real opinions.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:38 PM  
Sum Dum Gai
4. You should either buy health insurance or pay the penalty, because you are ALSO legally guaranteed a minimum level of health service even if you can't pay. If you were hit by a car tomorrow, a hospital would be legally obligated to stabilize you even if they knew you would not pay. You can pay something in to the system that is guaranteed to give you something out if you need emergency care.


Your points are well made, but if you're hit by a car, the hospital will care far more about whether the vehicle was identified and insured than if you have health insurance. They will take your health insurance card if you have one as a backup, but the driver (or their auto insurer if they have one) is almost certainly liable for your treatment and the hospital is unlikely to get anything out of your health insurance company.

A better example for the beer drinking 29 year old would be him getting drunk and falling off his own roof. Such a self-inflicted injury is going to be treated, and since he cares more about his beer money than being an even remotely responsible citizen in a functioning society, you and I currently get to pay extra for our care as a result.
 
2012-06-28 11:47:35 PM  

Team Coors Light: Yes, we all die...some not soon enough, others far past their prime. What is life if you are sustained by a machine in a facility...which will not happen with ZeroBamaCare...

Your point?


What are you talking about? That will work the same. Canada is not even close to the same system we will have.

You really don't understand the Affordable Care Act at all. It's not government run healthcare.
 
2012-06-28 11:48:04 PM  

pedobearapproved: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hard

I think the conservatives won on this one. Congress can't make you do whatever under the commerce clause.


Absolutely. Roberts will have many opportunities to flex his conservatism in the coming term.
 
2012-06-28 11:49:14 PM  

Team Coors Light: jshine: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

And how long will that last? We all die. Sometimes it's fast, often it's not. When it isn't fast, the hospital bills can run into the $100,000's or $millions (I've seen it happen among relatives). If you continue to work part-time, you are unlikely to ever have that much saved up, so if you are uninsured -- sooner or later -- you will stiff the hospital (and the rest of us) with a bill. Accidents, cancer, heart disease -- take your pick. Our clocks are all ticking.


Reference = Canada

Yes, we all die...some not soon enough, others far past their prime. What is life if you are sustained by a machine in a facility...which will not happen with ZeroBamaCare...

Your point?


That's not what I'm referring to. I'm thinking more along the lines of surgery, radiation & chemotherapy treatments. ...or being hospitalized following a severe car accident. Or needing emergency surgery due to a heart problem. Take your pick. There are plenty of situations that a person *can* recover from that are still very, very expensive -- one does not need to construct straw-men to attack.
 
2012-06-28 11:49:17 PM  

dlp211: Team Coors Light: So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...

No, so easy to dismiss because you can't take 5 minutes to figure out that you aren't screwed by PPACA, but in fact are better off because of it.

healthcare.gov

Wiki




Here is the difference...You sight articles on the internet to make yourself fell better....I present actual, real life scenarios of people that I know and care about that are going to be "screwed" by this...any you have no solution. By the way, the examples that I have given are people that voted for 0bama, and are not happy with this ruling. Not because they do not understand...only because they understand to well...
 
2012-06-28 11:49:50 PM  

Team Coors Light: intelligent comment below: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

My employer will most-likley not "kick-in" anything, I have to buy something with a "high deductible" (in which case that I have to use it, I can not pay for the deductable because I am paying for the coverage...) All the while, I just want to have the money for rent, public transit, clothes from the goodwill, and the new iProduct! WTF...?!?!

You know...between you, Mojo, intelligent comment below, Keizer, and dlp...I received very different answers. Do you liberals even know what kind of shiat you are shoveling?!

Honestly?!?! Are you just behind the ideal of "change" or do you actually want to "exact" change?!

...and do not come after me...I have spent more than half my life providing services and supports for people that can not take care of themselves. I have always had the "heart" to affect change for those that cannot make it on their own. I have lived by the "whims" of the State of California...and have made things better for the "most-in-need" in our society.

...but this is wrong...and you "supporters" cannot even agree on a simple, real life, scenario.

Yes, you have been trolled...but it is obvious that you are the trolls...

/iamriite

And we're done here. Another moronic troll to add to my list

So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...


You're the one who admitted you're a troll. Why should we take anything you say seriously now? Especially when you can't take five minutes to actually read up on and understand what this is.
 
2012-06-28 11:50:18 PM  
Health care act upheld by Justice Roberts' swing vote. "Stolen valor" act killed. $61 won on free slot play at the local casino. Able to enjoy the, by definition, insane reactions of those on the far right.

Today was a good day.

\oooh ah
 
2012-06-28 11:50:49 PM  

vrax: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

Ah, 29, but still thinking like an 18yr old. Scary shiat!



Your Mom...how about that? Pretty much the same argument.

Your mom.
 
2012-06-28 11:51:05 PM  

Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!


So you are telling us if you were in car accident and dieing you would of said "Don't call an ambulance let me die here because I don't want to burden other healthcare payers!"

You really want us to believe you would refuse medical help if you were dieing?
 
2012-06-28 11:53:22 PM  

Team Coors Light: dlp211: Team Coors Light: So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...

No, so easy to dismiss because you can't take 5 minutes to figure out that you aren't screwed by PPACA, but in fact are better off because of it.

healthcare.gov

Wiki



Here is the difference...You sight articles on the internet to make yourself fell better....I present actual, real life scenarios of people that I know and care about that are going to be "screwed" by this...any you have no solution. By the way, the examples that I have given are people that voted for 0bama, and are not happy with this ruling. Not because they do not understand...only because they understand to well...


Ok here is the "real life scenario": You get in a car accident and your life is now in danger and you have no insurance like you said so you:

A) say "Take me to the ER even though I have no insurance."

Or

B) say "No let me die here because I don't want others to pay for my healthcare because I didn't buy insurance".

Which one would you do?
 
2012-06-28 11:53:26 PM  
I am so proud of the USA, I have to restructure my entire world view.

As a Canadian, I still wrap my head around this fear of paying for health care with taxes, though. The comments in this thread are mind-boggling to me. I can't afford to pay for surgery if I get into trouble, but I can afford to pay my income taxes, which go into the pool to pay for somebody's surgery and, heaven forfend, mine. And I have always been able to see a doctor the day I want to, emergency or not (although sometimes that means a trip to the clinic instead of my own overworked GP).
 
2012-06-28 11:55:19 PM  

Corvus: Team Coors Light: Yes, we all die...some not soon enough, others far past their prime. What is life if you are sustained by a machine in a facility...which will not happen with ZeroBamaCare...

Your point?

What are you talking about? That will work the same. Canada is not even close to the same system we will have.

You really don't understand the Affordable Care Act at all. It's not government run healthcare.




The system that you "presume" we will have...

My original post, granted 2 years late, was to try and gather a better understanding of 0bamaCare...yours doesn't give me what I was asking for...yours just gives me bullshiat.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:32 PM  

Rwa2play: I think some on the right would rather die than accept being wrong.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-28 11:56:18 PM  

intelligent comment below: Phinn: Who was in charge of Somalia's government prior to 1991, and what were his economic policies?

So your argument is those policies caused Somalia to turn bad, not an assault by Muslim extremist terrorists who caused the government to disband and create a libertarian utopia?


It's not "my argument." It's objective fact -- socialist government destroyed the Somali economy over the course of a couple of decades (as all socialist government destroys economies, the only difference being the rapidity of socialist implementation and thus the rate of destruction).

The warlords then began vying for the grand prize of being the one that got to be recognized as the Official Warlord by the Grand Warlord of them all -- the US Warlords. The US presence provided an incentive and a focus for the war that followed, right up to the point it became a political liability for Clinton.

Having been reduced to below subsistence by socialism, Somalia was not a libertarian paradise on account of the eradication of capital investment and its attending features, such as the presence of markets, not to mention a population with little experience and cultural values favoring market activity. Nevertheless, in the years following the eradication of an entity that is sufficiently well-organized to be crowned as the local "government," the anarchistic nature of Somalia has enabled minimal market activity to return, which is why we see every measurable statistic on quality of life there (birth rates, death rates, infant mortality, etc.) to begin to improve.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:19 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I am so proud of the USA, I have to restructure my entire world view.

As a Canadian, I still wrap my head around this fear of paying for health care with taxes, though. The comments in this thread are mind-boggling to me. I can't afford to pay for surgery if I get into trouble, but I can afford to pay my income taxes, which go into the pool to pay for somebody's surgery and, heaven forfend, mine. And I have always been able to see a doctor the day I want to, emergency or not (although sometimes that means a trip to the clinic instead of my own overworked GP).


Well in the US there is NEVER a wait for medical care... Oh wait that's complete bullshiat.

But At least there is no rationing of medical care... Oh wait that's bullshiat too. In fact we have 50 million with no coverage at all.

But at least it's cheap.. Oh wait it's actually the most expensive in the world.

Too bad we don't have the medical care that it seems some people like to pretend we have.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:24 PM  

Team Coors Light: vrax: Team Coors Light: What "free-ride" do you speak of? I have not needed medical care in 10 years?!?!

Ah, 29, but still thinking like an 18yr old. Scary shiat!


Your Mom...how about that? Pretty much the same argument.

Your mom.


I wasn't arguing anything. It was simply an observation based on the evidence you've given. Seems right on the mark.

However, to keep in the spirit of things...

Your face!

Ooooh!
 
2012-06-28 11:59:17 PM  

Team Coors Light: dlp211: Team Coors Light: So easy for you to "dismiss" because you have been challenged?!

Keep farking though...keep farking...

No, so easy to dismiss because you can't take 5 minutes to figure out that you aren't screwed by PPACA, but in fact are better off because of it.

healthcare.gov

Wiki



Here is the difference...You sight articles on the internet to make yourself fell better....I present actual, real life scenarios of people that I know and care about that are going to be "screwed" by this...any you have no solution. By the way, the examples that I have given are people that voted for 0bama, and are not happy with this ruling. Not because they do not understand...only because they understand to well...


LOL...what. Articles on the internet. Maybe you should check those links out. One is the official PPACA website and the other is the wiki for it.

And you didn't present real actual evidence because for the most part PPACA hasn't been implemented and therefore its effects on those people cannot be substantiated. You presented some made up scenario where you think that you are getting screwed and despite multiple people telling you that you are not screwed and in fact will be better off and showing you how you will be better off you blow them off.

So as many people have stated, PPACA is not perfect, but it is better then what we had up until it was passed. It is also been proven to work in Mass.
 
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