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2012-06-28 09:17:46 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Damnit, Republicans. We're going to drag you out of the Stone Age if it kills you.


I just watched a show where, even at the very end when they were trying to save him, the bad guy still wanted to kill one of the good guys. So they left him to his fate, which was of course, to die.

I think some on the right would rather die than accept being wrong.
 
2012-06-28 09:20:20 PM  

MSFT: silgryphon: So now people have to pay for insurance. If you can't pay, you go to jail. That's wrong

It is wrong, I'll give you that much.


ha ha. +1
 
2012-06-28 09:20:22 PM  

bhcompy: normal 2-d ultrasound


Oh, and I should mention - non-mammographic imaging is among the highest profit margin services. They can afford to take deep cuts there for the uninsured and still turn a profit, especially when they can also claim tax advantages for providing charity care. That's an unusual case.
 
2012-06-28 09:22:38 PM  

mrshowrules: Two screen captures that basically summarize the awesomeness of today`s rulings

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Has BillCo even posted today? Maybe he's too distraught over Roberts upholding the law.
 
2012-06-28 09:22:42 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: silgryphon: So now people have to pay for insurance. If you can't pay, you go to jail. That's wrong

If you can't pay, the government will buy insurance for you (using the rather generous subsidies also in the act.) If you won't pay for insurance, your tax bill will go up by a small amount.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 09:24:24 PM  

Rwa2play: mrshowrules: Two screen captures that basically summarize the awesomeness of today`s rulings

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[i116.photobucket.com image 640x170]

Has BillCo even posted today? Maybe he's too distraught over Roberts upholding the law.


Karnal, Tenpoundsoftard and BillCo have not shown-up. If they are 3 people or not is another question.
 
2012-06-28 09:25:28 PM  

mrshowrules: Rwa2play: mrshowrules: Two screen captures that basically summarize the awesomeness of today`s rulings

[i116.photobucket.com image 640x196]

[i116.photobucket.com image 640x170]

Has BillCo even posted today? Maybe he's too distraught over Roberts upholding the law.

Karnal, Tenpoundsoftard and BillCo have not shown-up. If they are 3 people or not is another question.


I saw EnviroDude post and inevitably get his ass handed to him.
 
2012-06-28 09:32:19 PM  

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Thank you Jake Roberts

 
2012-06-28 09:39:13 PM  
5584 replies and not 1 thing has changed. Fark ... fueling tears of impotent rage.
 
2012-06-28 09:40:27 PM  

EvilIguana966: Anybody here have any good answers?



No. The best way to get out of this mess is to jump off a bridge.
 
2012-06-28 09:41:39 PM  

L82DPRT: The mandate is a tax the IRS is forbidden to collect or seek criminal or civil penalties for not paying.

Suck it, Responsible Insurance Purchasers.


Linking to "Real Clear Politics", now. You're nothing if not consistent.
 
2012-06-28 09:44:56 PM  

NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down


Yeah, they are trying to incite armed insurrection through the militia movement


farking retards


http://i.qkme.me/3qnl.jpg
 
2012-06-28 09:46:15 PM  

mr lawson: intelligent comment below: Why lower costs for skyrocketing health care costs

Question: Why do you think health care cost have been skyrocketing? (They have, but WHY?)



Obviously because of Obamacare that hasn't even gone into effect yet
 
2012-06-28 09:47:35 PM  

neener neener: Can someone explain what this means in non-partisan language without all this screaming and flailing about?


For me, it means that my kids are not going to be kicked off of my health insurance plan. And for that, I am very glad.

And if my youngest gets a new job and gets his own insurance, the new insurance company that he signs with cannot reject him because he had a lot of asthma problems growing up. And for that, I am also very glad.

It also means that my insurance company must spend 80% of the money they get from their clients towards actually paying out money to heal people. If they don't, then they owe me a refund check.

It means that women are not going to be forced to pay more money than men on health insurance.

It means quite a few good things.

This law is not perfect by a long shot, but compared to what the healthcare industry was before the law was enacted, it's a great step forward.

Many of the parts of this law were originally Republican ideas, so Republicans should be proud of the law as well.
 
2012-06-28 09:48:12 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: I am frankly shocked.


Yes. I was listening to the arguments yesterday though and thought that there was no way in hell the big money lobbyist lawyers made any compelling arguments though.

i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-28 09:48:24 PM  

tkwasny: I ??? milk the govts. tit just because I'm a full time contractor through a private company working for the FedGov? Salaried exempt, I might add. Which means I work 45-60 hours a week and only get paid for 40 and I expected to. I do the work of 3 typical active duty, knowing that having been one for 20 years. My retirement is a retainer because a stroke of the pen and I'm back active duty FOR LIFE.



You joined the USCG right out of high school I assume?

So instead of picking yourself up from your own bootstraps, you ran to the government crying how you need money for college and work experience.

After all the millions of tax dollars spent on you, you then turn to a contractor for a job ALSO paid by our tax dollars

But here you are, biatching about government spending.

I don't think it gets any worse than that. Farking hypocrite.
 
2012-06-28 09:48:48 PM  
fun yarnball!

Thanks, vrax!

GOTO eat tacos now.
 
2012-06-28 09:49:02 PM  
The best part about this whole thing is how the Republicans went from defeated to trying to find a bright side no matter what. Suddenly it's a tax because Roberts had to have a figleaf for his decision, suddenly it's a victory because those blasted Dems will 'surely' lose this year, and so forth and so on, more annoying and pointless anger, blah blah blah.

At this point, we should just call them Retards and be done with it. They don't even know what they're biatching about anymore, and come off as pathetic drama queens who hate their lives and playact politics like they're not mentally and socially retarded assholes who should be in an asylum.
 
2012-06-28 09:51:53 PM  
 
2012-06-28 09:54:21 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The best part about this whole thing is how the Republicans went from defeated to trying to find a bright side no matter what. Suddenly it's a tax because Roberts had to have a figleaf for his decision, suddenly it's a victory because those blasted Dems will 'surely' lose this year, and so forth and so on, more annoying and pointless anger, blah blah blah.

At this point, we should just call them Retards and be done with it. They don't even know what they're biatching about anymore, and come off as pathetic drama queens who hate their lives and playact politics like they're not mentally and socially retarded assholes who should be in an asylum.


They have a winning attitude though. That is why they are always get caught off guard when they lose.
 
2012-06-28 09:54:58 PM  

Anagrammer: The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.


And you're proud of this?
 
2012-06-28 09:56:16 PM  

cretinbob: I want to send Chief Justice Roberts a Constitution and ask him where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court should re-write legislation when the President lies to you?

I love those little nutbags


He'd probably just point to the decision he made today where he addressed this very point. But you know, keep crying moar.
 
2012-06-28 09:58:11 PM  

cretinbob: I want to send Chief Justice Roberts a Constitution and ask him where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court should re-write legislation when the President lies to you?

I love those little nutbags


He call parts of the law ingredients in his mother's apple pie recipe and it doesn't matter. The law is the law of the land and effects everyone. In a couple of years, when it is applied to Conservatives they will start calling it a fine because they have such a victim complex. Maybe Romney's wins (I doubt it) and repeals. But, if it stands, mark my words Conservatives will call it a fine again when applied to them.
 
2012-06-28 09:59:24 PM  

dlp211: cretinbob: I want to send Chief Justice Roberts a Constitution and ask him where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court should re-write legislation when the President lies to you?

I love those little nutbags

He'd probably just point to the decision he made today where he addressed this very point. But you know, keep crying moar.


I don't think a single Liberal tear was shed today.
 
2012-06-28 09:59:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: neener neener: Can someone explain what this means in non-partisan language without all this screaming and flailing about?

For me, it means that my kids are not going to be kicked off of my health insurance plan. And for that, I am very glad.

And if my youngest gets a new job and gets his own insurance, the new insurance company that he signs with cannot reject him because he had a lot of asthma problems growing up. And for that, I am also very glad.

It also means that my insurance company must spend 80% of the money they get from their clients towards actually paying out money to heal people. If they don't, then they owe me a refund check.

It means that women are not going to be forced to pay more money than men on health insurance.

It means quite a few good things.

This law is not perfect by a long shot, but compared to what the healthcare industry was before the law was enacted, it's a great step forward.

Many of the parts of this law were originally Republican ideas, so Republicans should be proud of the law as well.


"Should be" being the key words, but since it was a black Democrat president who got it running, they'll scream until the end of time that it's 100% evil liberal conspiracy against America.
 
2012-06-28 10:00:21 PM  

cretinbob: I want to send Chief Justice Roberts a Constitution and ask him where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court should re-write legislation when the President lies to you?

I love those little nutbags


You know, I actually feel sorry for them. I'm probably too soft for my own good and I'd like to see the good in everybody, but they're so full of hate and ignorance that they can't get past the part where this benefits everybody, including them. It's like they see someone extended a hand to help them up when they've fallen down and they see it as a weakness to ask someone else for help.

Sad really.
 
2012-06-28 10:01:38 PM  

silgryphon: So now people have to pay for insurance. If you can't pay, you go to jail. That's wrong


No, no, no. If you can't pay for insurance, you do NOT go to jail. There are NO criminal repercussions from this.
 
2012-06-28 10:05:29 PM  

mrshowrules: I don't think a single Liberal tear was shed today


crying in laughter over the GOP's reactions?

/that part was funny
 
2012-06-28 10:07:21 PM  

mrshowrules: dlp211: cretinbob: I want to send Chief Justice Roberts a Constitution and ask him where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court should re-write legislation when the President lies to you?

I love those little nutbags

He'd probably just point to the decision he made today where he addressed this very point. But you know, keep crying moar.

I don't think a single Liberal tear was shed today.


I don't think so either. I reluctantly support PPACA and I am glad that it was found constitutional today, but the work is not done. We can have more affordable healthcare in this nation, but it is not easy, and we should do it because it is hard to do. But I forgot, we stopped doing hard things after we got to the moon.

In another time, I may have called myself a republican, but that time is not now. Republicans want all the benefits that the last generation paid for them but don't want to pay it forward for the next generation.
 
2012-06-28 10:09:11 PM  
last post
 
2012-06-28 10:15:45 PM  

jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.


i18.photobucket.com
A Buddha

In Tokyo in the Meiji era there lived two prominent teachers of opposite characteristics. One, Unsho, an instructor in Shingon, kept Buddha's precepts scrupulously. He never drank intoxicants, nor did he eat after eleven o'clock in the morning. The other teacher, Tanzan, a professor of philosophy at the Imperial University, never observed the precepts. Whenever he felt like eating, he ate, and when he felt like sleeping in the daytime he slept.

One day Unsho visited Tanzan, who was drinking wine at the time, not even a drop of which is suppposed to touch the tongue of a Buddhist.

"Hello, brother," Tanzan greeted him. "Won't you have a drink?"

"I never drink!" exclaimed Unsho solemnly.

"One who does not drink is not even human," said Tanzan.

"Do you mean to call me inhuman just because I do not indulge in intoxicating liquids!" exclaimed Unsho in anger. "Then if I am not human, what am I?"

"A Buddha," answered Tanzan.
 
2012-06-28 10:21:58 PM  

Krymson Tyde: NateGrey: Teabaggers want to protest but they are all on Disability. NO JOKE

I was going to comment to the freepers re: their pants on head comments, but when I tried o got this response
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The funny thing is the one time I did post there it was a nonassholish challenging of ideas.


Well, there's your problem.
 
2012-06-28 10:32:41 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Anagrammer: The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.

And you're proud of this?


He's convinced Republicans are about to pick up another 60 seats and he's pissed as a result.
 
2012-06-28 10:32:48 PM  

Kittypie070: fun yarnball!

Thanks, vrax!

GOTO eat tacos now.


My kitties are always reading Fark with me and they would get grumpy if I didn't give you a nice ball of yarn.
 
2012-06-28 10:38:04 PM  
One last funny thing to me. This is probably the best thing that could happen for those with a boner for 'free market competition'.

I mean, honestly, Massachusetts has the most competitive health insurance market in the country. Nine companies that virtually everyone can choose from, and most small businesses can offer a voucher to have their employees buy from any of the companies.

How many choices of health insurance provider do I have? One. At my employer. I'm not likely to get any insurance on the open market ante-PPACA. I guess I could choose a different health insurer by choosing to work somewhere else. But, I doubt that among the 100 largest employers in my town, there's nine different insurers.

If you are in favor of a 'market-based' approach, RomBomneyCare, maybe with some HSAs thrown in (legal under both Romneycare and Obamacare, btw), is the closest you're getting.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:38 PM  
Anyone know if there has been an attempt at Godwinning this thread yet?

/Just checking, it's not my plan to do it.
 
2012-06-28 10:45:56 PM  
So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:38 PM  

Team Coors Light: If not, how does this make sense to any of you?


Because you just made it all up?
 
2012-06-28 10:48:31 PM  

Team Coors Light: As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit,



No
 
2012-06-28 10:50:15 PM  

Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.


Looking through the thread, you're not going to be paying anything, you will be allowed on your parents' healthcare, and the other doomsday scenarios are nonexistent or severely over-exaggerated.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:58 PM  

NateGrey: Teabaggers want to protest but they are all on Disability. NO JOKE


Yeah, well, at least they WANT to protest. OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...
 
2012-06-28 10:51:46 PM  

Team Coors Light: Am I "way off base" here?


Yes.
 
2012-06-28 10:52:33 PM  

xanadian: NateGrey: Teabaggers want to protest but they are all on Disability. NO JOKE

Yeah, well, at least they WANT to protest. OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...


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2012-06-28 10:53:13 PM  

xanadian: OWS peeps are too stoned to bother to go out and make a change in the world...



False talking point is false
 
2012-06-28 10:58:38 PM  

Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.


Yes, absolutely, you will be subject to a tax. And rightfully so. For every 1000 or so people like yourself that roll the dice, there is one who gets cancer at 29, racks up a shiatload of bills, and then stiffs the hospital because they are only working part time and have no means to pay for their care. Which screws over the rest of us.

So yes, you will be subject to a tax.

Now hopefully, with the health exchanges and your employer kicking in a bit, you can pick up a high deductible plan that is cheap but will cover catastrophic stuff. But you're free ride is over.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:56 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Team Coors Light: So let me see if I have this straight...in the broadstrokes...

I am 29 yrs old...
I am not a student...
I work a part-time job, and am not offered benefits because I am part time...
I have no inclination to spend any of my money on Medical Insurance because I do not want to...I would rather have money for my daily expenses.

I can not be covered on my parents insurance...
I am not going back to school, and even if I did, it would not be relevenat to this argument...
I am going to continue to work my part-time job with my current employer...who will now be fined because they do not offer me insurance...
I do not want to spend my money on "affordable health care", so I am going to be subject to a tax...

As I see it, the company I work for is going to take hit, which might close it down...
...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job because the company might dissolve because of this "progressive legislation"...

Am I "way off base" here?

If not, how does this make sense to any of you?

Just curious.

Looking through the thread, you're not going to be paying anything, you will be allowed on your parents' healthcare, and the other doomsday scenarios are nonexistent or severely over-exaggerated.


I thought the law said 26... I am 29.

The other senarios are not "doomsday", "nonexistant", or over-exaggerated". My company is state-funded (in CA, out of general fund), and has taken 3 catastrophic funding cuts in the last 3 years. I assure you, there is no "exaggeration" in my senario...

...and it is not "made-up" Mojo
 
2012-06-28 11:01:29 PM  

Team Coors Light: ...and I have to pay a tax on top of potentially losing my job


Again, possibly not, no, because it seems pretty likely that an unsubsidized silver plan would cost more than 8% of your gross income so you'd be exempt from the mandate if the subsidies aren't funded. Could be possible, though, if you were a part-timer but making more than $22-25 an hour.

If you're like most part-timers, though, you'll probably qualify for subsidized insurance. If you're making, say, 200% of the poverty line, your premiums are subsidized beyond 6.3% of your income. So, you'd pay $1,365 a year for decent insurance. Or pay $695 in tax penalty (since the 8% exemption rule applies to post-subsidy cost, you wouldn't actually be exempt if the subsidies are funded). Your call.

My sympathies. Let me show you them.
 
2012-06-28 11:03:10 PM  

Team Coors Light: The other senarios are not "doomsday", "nonexistant", or over-exaggerated". My company is state-funded (in CA, out of general fund), and has taken 3 catastrophic funding cuts in the last 3 years. I assure you, there is no "exaggeration" in my senario...


What, you work for a company with 20 employees?
 
2012-06-28 11:09:23 PM  
Joe the Plumber is posting on Fark?
 
2012-06-28 11:15:01 PM  

NateGrey: Joe the Plumber Sam the Unlicensed Handyman is posting on Fark?


FTFY
 
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