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2012-06-28 06:57:03 PM

neener neener: Can someone explain what this means in non-partisan language without all this screaming and flailing about?


Hmm yes, where could you go to find details of this event? I bet no news site on the entire web has information about it.
 
2012-06-28 06:57:04 PM

EvilIguana966: Given all that, what obstacle is there to prevent, just as an example, Republicans from using the apparently unlimited taxing power to levy a $100 trillion dollar tax penalty on being a Democrat and imprisoning anyone who cannot pay? I can say for certain that fewer Democrats would improve the general welfare of this country and that this act would be both necessary and proper given the stakes.

Furthermore, having established last week that the executive's ability to employ prosecutorial discretion gives him the freedom to simply not prosecute entire categories of crimes, why could a hypothetical President Romney simply not declare that going forward no murder charges would be filed against people who kill democrats?

Anybody here have any good answers?


Serious answer to your batshiat insane hypothetical? Equal protection.
 
2012-06-28 06:58:09 PM

heap: gimmegimme:
This has never happened with any politician in the world ever.

the punchline is that dedicated devotion to upfront and truthful statements finding itself in a voting booth pulling the lever for romney.


Unfortunately, the uninformed will not be pulling levers for Romney. Many of the uninformed and delusional will be casting ballots that leave no paper trail for whomever Diebold has been paid to help.
 
2012-06-28 06:59:00 PM

netweavr: I don't hate him. Where are you getting this from? He made a promise he couldn't keep. That makes it a broken promise. You guys are acting like I'm damning his entire existence over this.


And all that needs to happen is the Republicans in the Congress allowing him to close Gitmo. But since they're fighting tooth and claw to prevent Obama from doing ANYTHING, that somehow means Obama lied to us.

Like the analogy of the kitten and the bullies, if you're trying to do something and external forces are preventing you from doing it, then you're not "lying" about doing it.
 
2012-06-28 06:59:25 PM
media.salon.com



I CAN HAZ INSURANCE!!! Its' been awhile but I love this thread and the ultra conservative Roberts swing vote. I digress because reading through these freaking comments has taken all day, precious daylight I needed to do stuff but whatevs! Tenpoundsofderp I excepted to be somewhere in here...anyway HAPPY DAY! As the Beatles once put it "It's getting better all the time,so much better".
 
2012-06-28 06:59:41 PM

NewportBarGuy: I likes this one...

Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:04:52 PM by GodAndCountryFirst

Health care IS NOT A RIGHT! Nobody has a "right" to the services of a doctor! I would rather DIE than accept Obamacare! This is a DARK DAY! We must FIGHT this attack against LIBERTY!

Your health IS NOT MY PROBLEM. Can't afford to pay for care? Then STAY HEALTHY! It's not that hard! There are two primary sources of health care: Your OWN ACTIONS and your RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. I mean it. God heals illness when he chooses to. When he chooses not to, then nobody can help you anyway! If you want to supplement your OWN actions by getting the advice of a doctor or using medication, then PAY FOR IT. If you can't, that's sad for you, but you have no right to FORCE ME to pay for you!


Hey, at least we don't have to worry about this person using Medicare. I'm sure that they are way too principled to use any of that socialist stuff.

I like "STAY HEALTHY" I'll put that on my list right next to "BE RICH".
 
2012-06-28 06:59:47 PM

quizzical: Equal protection.


Yeah that's what I was referring to earlier.

I explained to him earlier why his insane ramblings where wrong. Like most people like him he just ignored my explanation and continued the derpfest.
 
2012-06-28 07:00:59 PM

Space_Poet: Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.

Umm, your profile says you were in the military, who do you think paid for that and your healthcare? Also, it says you live in Mississippi, you're already part of a welfare state so who cares?


obamaletdownwatch.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-28 07:01:53 PM
So many raging tears. Anything that enrages the GOP this badly has to be awesome for the rest of us.
 
2012-06-28 07:02:11 PM
All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.
 
2012-06-28 07:04:30 PM

Herbie555: Jekylman: Serious Black: Stoker: [img836.imageshack.us image 500x510]

Actually, as I pointed out upthread, each of those companies' stocks are down a minimum of 3% as of now. They're losing money fast. They did not want this ruling.

Thank god you're here, Day-to-day-stock-analysis man!

I heard this in Colin Mocherie's voice...


Good to have around if you have a problem with dry skin.
 
2012-06-28 07:06:26 PM

vrax: NewportBarGuy: I likes this one...

Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:04:52 PM by GodAndCountryFirst

Health care IS NOT A RIGHT! Nobody has a "right" to the services of a doctor! I would rather DIE than accept Obamacare! This is a DARK DAY! We must FIGHT this attack against LIBERTY!

Your health IS NOT MY PROBLEM. Can't afford to pay for care? Then STAY HEALTHY! It's not that hard! There are two primary sources of health care: Your OWN ACTIONS and your RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. I mean it. God heals illness when he chooses to. When he chooses not to, then nobody can help you anyway! If you want to supplement your OWN actions by getting the advice of a doctor or using medication, then PAY FOR IT. If you can't, that's sad for you, but you have no right to FORCE ME to pay for you!

Hey, at least we don't have to worry about this person using Medicare. I'm sure that they are way too principled to use any of that socialist stuff.

I like "STAY HEALTHY" I'll put that on my list right next to "BE RICH".


Seems like this person would think that taking some drugs to kill the germs that were making you sick would thwart God's will!

Hey, there is a religion for that!
 
2012-06-28 07:06:28 PM

jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.


This is a new one.
 
2012-06-28 07:07:13 PM
jigger, have you suddenly broken out in plaid? Are you feverish?
 
2012-06-28 07:07:28 PM

Infernalist: So many raging tears. Anything that enrages the GOP this badly has to be awesome for the rest of us.


The dumb part is it's just as awesome for them, too, they just refuse to see it because a Democrat did it.
 
2012-06-28 07:07:31 PM

jigger: I can't imagine young contract workers being better off under this one. Oh sure, now they have health insurance because they have a new bill to pay, or they have a higher tax bill to pay. It's like someone said not too long ago, "If things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."


Perhaps those contract workers should get together into some sort of group so they can negotiate a better rate with their employers or the insurance companies. They could probably get a better bargain if they operated... collectively.
 
2012-06-28 07:07:44 PM

that bosnian sniper: Rindred: Since there's no way I'll ever reach the end of this thread from my mobile device, I'd like to say a couple of things before I give up and actually do some work here at the office...

[...]

In conclusion, I just want to say thank-you in clearest terms. So, thank you. More decisions like this, please.

Read Part IV of the decision and come back. This was quite possibly the worst of the entire array of potential outcomes this case could have had.


Don't like the system? Let's get some single-payer on, then. Medical care is a human right.
 
2012-06-28 07:08:26 PM

Grables'Daughter: mrshowrules: Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )

That looks like socialist popcorn. There are people in this thread that would starve to death first. I thank you however.

IT's MITT ROMNEY APPROVED POPCORN.



He did approve it, but then found out some Democrats eat popcorn too, and now scheduled a press conference to explain how he has always been against it, and plans on passing an alternative once elected.
 
2012-06-28 07:09:45 PM

Richard Saunders: Frogdammit so much...

With the Supreme Court's decision on the individual mandate, it would seem now we must strike the phrase "the land of the free" from our national anthem.

I cannot tell you saddened I am by this.



Yes, getting the country to become more healthy, free up the ER, cover everyone with insurance to lower costs, lower costs on small businesses and the poor, families, etc. is going against "freedom"

Can you trolls be any more retarded?
 
2012-06-28 07:10:18 PM
jigger??

Somebody??

I'm worried.

jigger just sprung a leak or threw a rod or...something.
 
2012-06-28 07:11:03 PM

intelligent comment below: Grables'Daughter: mrshowrules: Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )

That looks like socialist popcorn. There are people in this thread that would starve to death first. I thank you however.

IT's MITT ROMNEY APPROVED POPCORN.


He did approve it, but then found out some Democrats eat popcorn too, and now scheduled a press conference to explain how he has always been against it, and plans on passing an alternative once elected.


I knew I had you under "cyan" (my funny smart people list) for a reason!
 
2012-06-28 07:11:12 PM

jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-06-28 07:11:19 PM

The_Sponge: So somebody calls me an asshole in this thread, where I have tried to keep things civil, and you don't expect that I have an insulting retort?



"On the rag today, are we?" is your idea of "trying to keep things civil"?
 
2012-06-28 07:12:51 PM

Infernalist


Ben Franklin would tell you to STFU and GTFO if you don't want to pay your fair share of taxes to the common good of the republic.

And then he would do something awesome, like invent bifocals.


If this was actually for the good of the republic. However, lets be real here. The health of you and your liberal societal leeches are not something i would consider the greater good.
 
2012-06-28 07:13:05 PM

neener neener: Can someone explain what this means in non-partisan language without all this screaming and flailing about?


I should have known better than to ask with all this panic going on. The most direct answer I could find, if anyone is interested:

A Look At The Ruling Upholding Obamacare
 
2012-06-28 07:13:09 PM

Itstoearly: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

You have no idea how the supreme court works. Their job is to judge if something is constitutional, regardless of how awesome or terrible an idea is. They do not judge value.


Let me introduce you to Antonin Scalia....
 
2012-06-28 07:13:43 PM

Phinn: Those weren't free markets, and they weren't free long before Obamacare. They were highly regulated, as to both the insurers and the providers.



Ah yes. Every time the market fails, it wasn't "free" enough

How convenient it is to live in a moving goalpost world

Insurance companies dumped expensive patients, tell me all about the horrible regulatory burden on them.
 
2012-06-28 07:16:15 PM

KarmicDisaster: vrax: NewportBarGuy: I likes this one...

Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:04:52 PM by GodAndCountryFirst

Health care IS NOT A RIGHT! Nobody has a "right" to the services of a doctor! I would rather DIE than accept Obamacare! This is a DARK DAY! We must FIGHT this attack against LIBERTY!

Your health IS NOT MY PROBLEM. Can't afford to pay for care? Then STAY HEALTHY! It's not that hard! There are two primary sources of health care: Your OWN ACTIONS and your RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. I mean it. God heals illness when he chooses to. When he chooses not to, then nobody can help you anyway! If you want to supplement your OWN actions by getting the advice of a doctor or using medication, then PAY FOR IT. If you can't, that's sad for you, but you have no right to FORCE ME to pay for you!

Hey, at least we don't have to worry about this person using Medicare. I'm sure that they are way too principled to use any of that socialist stuff.

I like "STAY HEALTHY" I'll put that on my list right next to "BE RICH".

Seems like this person would think that taking some drugs to kill the germs that were making you sick would thwart God's will!

Hey, there is a religion for that!


If only these people would drop their insurance and all medical intervention in order to fully subscribe to God's Health Plan. We'd have our country fully back on track within a generation.
 
2012-06-28 07:16:39 PM

qorkfiend: jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.

This is a new one.


Go look in the constitution. Find the place that authorizes murder laws other than those places.

In article 1 section 8 congress has the power:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States...
 
2012-06-28 07:17:15 PM

tkwasny: Can't wait for the reaction from the Catholic church when the IRS thugs show up at the Cardinals home with guns drawn and force him to sign his checkbook to fund baby murders. Got popcorn?



You milk the government tit with your easy job, and now you're asking for my tax dollars to pay for popcorn too?
 
2012-06-28 07:18:26 PM

gimmegimme: netweavr: WhyteRaven74: netweavr: The circumstances don't matter, the promise was still broken.

The circumstances matter a great deal. There are two standing executive orders to shut down Gitmo, it's Congress alone that has kept it open.

His efforts don't change the end-result. He shouldn't have promised something he couldn't accomplish. He didn't say he would try to shut down Gitmo, he said he would shut down Gitmo.

badLogic: WhyteRaven74: netweavr: The circumstances don't matter, the promise was still broken.

The circumstances matter a great deal. There are two standing executive orders to shut down Gitmo, it's Congress alone that has kept it open.

By netweavr's logic, Obama should just disband Congress. Since that is all that is holding him back from keeping his promises.

No. You're failing to follow me. He should never have made a promise he couldn't keep.

This has never happened with any politician in the world ever.


Which is why it should neither be a surprise nor a huge deal when Obama does it.
 
2012-06-28 07:18:58 PM

Callous: Footwear decreases foot injuries, or the severity there of, thereby saving money in the healthcare system. If the regulations in the ACA are set up to be edited on the fly as some claim, it could be used to regulate a great many things including your diet, recreational activities, etc.


Meh. I'm not a huge fan of seatbelt laws, helmet laws, or sin taxes on cigarettes, either, but I have much bigger things to worry about. There are laws in some U.S. states forbidding restaurants to serve hamburgers cooked medium rare. I find it annoying and paternalistic, but I live with it.
 
2012-06-28 07:19:02 PM

LockeOak: jigger: I can't imagine young contract workers being better off under this one. Oh sure, now they have health insurance because they have a new bill to pay, or they have a higher tax bill to pay. It's like someone said not too long ago, "If things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."

Perhaps those contract workers should get together into some sort of group so they can negotiate a better rate with their employers or the insurance companies. They could probably get a better bargain if they operated... collectively.


Holy shiat! That's genius! If they just used their own time and money to form an organization that charged them money, they might save money!
 
2012-06-28 07:19:28 PM
i1139.photobucket.com

Welcome to the USSA comrade!
 
2012-06-28 07:19:44 PM

Lawnchair: Aikidogamer: If you don't have income then you are still responsible for the flat fee because medicaid is till means tested by resources. So yes, if you have resources but no income you will still pay the minimum tax.

Nope. Not talking about the Medicaid means-testing at all. Rather, the very specific part of Section 5000A part e (exemptions):

"No penalty shall be imposed under subsection
(a) with respect to .... INDIVIDUALS WHO CANNOT AFFORD COVERAGE.-
''(A) IN GENERAL.-Any applicable individual for any
month if the applicable individual's required contribution
(determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month
exceeds 8 percent of such individual's household income
for the taxable year described in section 1412(b)(1)(B) of
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act."

In other words, whether or not you're Medicaid eligible (irrelevant to this quesion), if a 'required contribution' (aka "silver plan") would cost you more than 8% of your gross income (after whatever subsidies), you're exempt from any penalty assessment. Thus, if you don't have income, there is no tax. It is an income tax.


Fair enough. So the only people affected by this are the young(ish) males who really could get a fark less about health insurance. (injury indemnity makes more sense). I suppose you could leach off your parents till 26. That seems kinda pathetic. Hell, I had my own health insurance at 18 because I felt it was the responsible thing to do,
 
2012-06-28 07:19:46 PM

hdhale: Actually, Obama has made even "W" look like an amateur when it comes to running up debt.



Oh, is that right?

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-06-28 07:21:02 PM

Kittypie070: jigger just sprung a leak or threw a rod or...something


if i had to guess, i'd say 'Tripping on DNA'.
 
2012-06-28 07:21:59 PM

jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.

This is a new one.

Go look in the constitution. Find the place that authorizes murder laws other than those places.

In article 1 section 8 congress has the power:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States...


...and? You have a point, presumably?
 
2012-06-28 07:23:48 PM

stvdallas: Now, most everyone will be required to pay for insurance. If they can't afford it, they will be "taxed". So, basically...those that can least afford to pay it are being forced to pay something.


If they can't afford it, they will likely either a) be so low income that they do not get penalized for not being insured, or b) be eligible to receive refundable tax credits to cover part of the cost of insurance. Anyone below 300% of the poverty line is potentially eligible.

Basically, the PPACA calculates an "affordability" amount based on your AGI and family size relative to poverty line. Depending on your family, this could be anywhere from 0 to 11% of your adjusted gross income. It then calculates the average cost of the three cheapest plans in your area that meet federal guidelines on minimum coverage (also defined by the PPACA). If the average cost of those plans exceeds your "affordability" level, the government gives you money for the difference between that average and your "affordability" amount.
 
2012-06-28 07:23:52 PM

xanadian: Yes, he did, but that's not what I meant. I'm glad Obama got this victory. I'm just bemoaning the spin it could produce. ........ In hindsight, though, Obama could personally cure cancer and give everyone a pony and the GOP would find a way to give it a negative spin.


Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course they would. Nothing matters to them anymore except the complete and utter destruction of their perceived Antichrist. The GOP would sooner sacrifice America than allow Obama to do ANYTHING unopposed. Anything he does is the Devil's work in their eyes, and they've vowed to resist him at every turn, no matter what it is or the consequences of their bullheaded opposition.


If the Democratic Party were smarter, we'd just reverse-psychology our way to getting everything we want.
 
2012-06-28 07:24:37 PM

david_gaithersburg: Starting in 2014, the fine for not carrying insurance would be $95 a year or 1 percent of a person's income, whichever is greater. In 2015 that would jump to $325 or 2 percent of income and in 2016 the fine would be $695 or 2.5 percent of income.

2.5% What a coinkidink, the average American is also that same amount away from being homeless. Popcorn anyone?



And the chances of going homeless when you get dropped from coverage and have a health care bill you could never afford?

This lowers overall costs and makes people get coverage, a win win for everyone.

Unless you're just a pathetic greedy libertarian, then nobody gives a fark what you think.
 
2012-06-28 07:25:45 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh: environmentalist wackos, colorado fires, fires bad. medicade, forest fire, implies that ACA is an out of control forest fire. implies that states that don't comply will be punished. Arizona, arizona. social justice is bad. taxes taxes taxes. "largest tax in the history of the world". punishes poor people. arizona. Obama punishes people.


btw thanks for the entertaining update :D
 
2012-06-28 07:27:00 PM

jigger: LockeOak: jigger: I can't imagine young contract workers being better off under this one. Oh sure, now they have health insurance because they have a new bill to pay, or they have a higher tax bill to pay. It's like someone said not too long ago, "If things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn't."

Perhaps those contract workers should get together into some sort of group so they can negotiate a better rate with their employers or the insurance companies. They could probably get a better bargain if they operated... collectively.

Holy shiat! That's genius! If they just used their own time and money to form an organization that charged them money, they might save money!


Nothing we do is the right thing to do! Let's all just commit suicide right now!

WorldKnowledge: [i1139.photobucket.com image 640x800]

Welcome to the USSA comrade!


Only evil people would think that helping others is the wrong thing to do.
 
2012-06-28 07:27:11 PM
Tripping on DNA my ass, jigger is bringing up Federal law pertaining to MURDER, and this is a healthcare thread.

What do?
 
2012-06-28 07:27:56 PM

vrax: KarmicDisaster: vrax: NewportBarGuy: I likes this one...

Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:04:52 PM by GodAndCountryFirst

Health care IS NOT A RIGHT! Nobody has a "right" to the services of a doctor! I would rather DIE than accept Obamacare! This is a DARK DAY! We must FIGHT this attack against LIBERTY!

Your health IS NOT MY PROBLEM. Can't afford to pay for care? Then STAY HEALTHY! It's not that hard! There are two primary sources of health care: Your OWN ACTIONS and your RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. I mean it. God heals illness when he chooses to. When he chooses not to, then nobody can help you anyway! If you want to supplement your OWN actions by getting the advice of a doctor or using medication, then PAY FOR IT. If you can't, that's sad for you, but you have no right to FORCE ME to pay for you!

Hey, at least we don't have to worry about this person using Medicare. I'm sure that they are way too principled to use any of that socialist stuff.

I like "STAY HEALTHY" I'll put that on my list right next to "BE RICH".

Seems like this person would think that taking some drugs to kill the germs that were making you sick would thwart God's will!

Hey, there is a religion for that!

If only these people would drop their insurance and all medical intervention in order to fully subscribe to God's Health Plan. We'd have our country fully back on track within a generation.


Actually, there is a religious exception if you don't want to participate because God is going to cure you and you would "rather die" so you can go ahead and die if you want to.
 
2012-06-28 07:28:09 PM

L82DPRT: Here I was hoping President Jackwagon's legacy would be getting us off foreign oil.

Some 'Let's put a man on the moon" Moment but nope just another massive expansion of the Welfare State any Farking TOTUS could put his BHO on.

Congrats Way To Go Big Dreamer.



Right. Nothing says welfare state like buying private insurance plans...

Why lower costs for skyrocketing health care costs when we can put a man on the moon? Now THAT'S IMPORTANT! Idiot
 
2012-06-28 07:28:51 PM

Aikidogamer: You can choose not to own a home, you can choose not to own a car, but you cannot choose not to have health. This argument is a non sequitur.



You certainly can choose to not have health insurance.
 
2012-06-28 07:28:58 PM

WorldKnowledge: [i1139.photobucket.com image 640x800]

Welcome to the USSA comrade!


Why so mad Republican?

Thank you George W Bush!
 
2012-06-28 07:29:22 PM
A gentleman of means stood in the exclusive Club de Joie, enjoying a tall glass of gin,
When suddenly he saw an old man lying at the door; his face, so pale and sad,
He thought he'd seen that man before, he said, "Excuse me, Dad?" "Ah, don't mind me," his father said,
"I'm only in your way, weak and sick, soon be dead, maybe later on today."

And the son looked down and said:
"No I won't feel guilty, Dad, for I am not to blame,
And I won't let you put on me your load of grief and shame
Life is full of sunshine; love is a clear blue sky,
Tomorrow is a brand new day
God bless you and goodbye."

That evening, he was standing undernearth the bright marquee, there to attend the gala ball,
Dressed so handsomely, chatting with Mr. and Mrs. Saks at the discothque, when suddenly,
A pile of rags reached out and touched his leg, "Hello," she said, "It's me, your mom.
Sorry to get in your way, I guess you had forgotten me and Dad, but that's okay.
I'm only your poor old relative, there's no reason you should care,
But do you think that you might have a couple of bucks to spare?
I forgive, I understand; you enjoy yourself my child,
He took her gently by the hand, and he spoke to her and smiled:

"No I won't feel guilty, Mom, for I am not to blame,
And I won't let you put on me your load of grief and shame
Life is full of sunshine; love is a clear blue sky,
Tomorrow is a brand new day
God bless you and goodbye."

He arrived at a quarter to three, at his mansion on the hill
And sat in his library, and sipped his port, until
He heard, upstairs, a child cough and cry: "Dad, I want you!"
He found her with her blankets off, feverish from the flu,
Tears streaming down the angel face. He tried to comfort her, she said "I was looking everyplace!
I didn't know where you went. I heard some voices. I was scared. It was took dark to see
I thought you disappeared, 'cause you were mad at me.
Why did you go Dad, tell me, huh? Tell me what I did? Left alone, with no one, lying sick in bed.
All alone, with no one here, but my old cat...and Mom."
The father brushed away a tear; trembled, but was calm,

"No I won't feel guilty, child, for I am not to blame,
And I won't let you put on me your load of grief and shame
Life is full of sunshine; love is a clear blue sky,
Tomorrow is a brand new day
God bless you and goodnight."

He sat downstairs a little while, and thought about his kin;
His dad, his mother, and his child. Just then the cat walked in.
She sat and stared into his eyes with cool, relentless eyes,
He felt the judgment in her gaze; so righteous and so wise.
She looked at him until he fell down, in anguish, at her feet,
And wept and threw his arms around that cat, his shame complete.

"I am guilty and ashamed, for everything I've done,
Sins that I've forgotten, now I feel them; everyone!
Life is full of sorrow, love is all in vain,
Tomorrow and tomorrow only bring us grief and pain."

He did not see the cat's expression; she smiled to her his sad confession.
She knew that, using this technique, she would get tuna all next week.
 
2012-06-28 07:30:16 PM

qorkfiend: jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: All federal murder laws that are not laws against murder "on the High Seas," in the armed forces, or in the District of Columbia are not constitutional.

This is a new one.

Go look in the constitution. Find the place that authorizes murder laws other than those places.

In article 1 section 8 congress has the power:

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States...

...and? You have a point, presumably?


Eh, someone brought up federal murder laws and I was just wondering if anyone had a constitutional justification for those laws that weren't covered by the above.
 
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