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2012-06-28 02:53:07 PM

The_Sponge: "I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HE-rGGKksQ

But God forbid that your beloved Obama broke a promise.


We're operating under Obama's tax plan and not Congress' and I didn't notice?
 
2012-06-28 02:53:35 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Then your faith is misguided. Freedom died today. Congress can now make you buy anything they want and "Tax" you if you do not.


2.bp.blogspot.com

/I'm sure this has been posted already.
//Can't be posted enough.
 
2012-06-28 02:53:41 PM

Corvus: NeoCortex42: Looks like Fox News has chosen their talking point until the election. Their main page is all about IT'S A TAX. There might be something about healthcare buried in there somewhere, but TAX TAX.

So does it "FORCE" people to buy insurance or is it a "TAX"? Seems like they were lying when they said it was "forcing" people to buy insurance when it actually just taxes them for not buying insurance.


I'm getting the impression that the message has changed from "Mandate infringes on our freedom" to "Obama lied about no new taxes", since they can no longer argue that the mandate equals destroying the constitution.
 
2012-06-28 02:53:42 PM

SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.


Oh please... the law is bad..YES. But only in the way it is being implemented. The spirit of the law is good. The country will not be destroyed. The only thing bad this law will do is raise premiums. That is it.
 
2012-06-28 02:53:43 PM
i81.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 02:54:18 PM

muck4doo: SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.

You'll get over it

/From a fellow conservative


I know, I've heard people on facebook talk about leaving America over this and also talks of a revolution over this. Of course these people support RON PAUL too so maybe I shouldn't be surprised at how unhinged they're taking this.

It's times like this I really wonder how stupid Americans can be.
 
2012-06-28 02:54:20 PM

SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.


drink up! at least you'll have health insurance to deal with the health related problems from the drinking.
 
2012-06-28 02:54:34 PM

SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.


Your tears, they sustain me.
 
2012-06-28 02:54:34 PM

Big Man On Campus: LockeOak: Big Man On Campus: LockeOak: Big Man On Campus: Voiceofreason01: no he didn't

/he explicitly mentions that those types of taxes would be unconstitutional

I'm reading up, but I don't see what you're talking about. Do you at least have a page/paragraph number to back up your claim? On reading this, it does indeed sound like he's saying Congress has the power to enact taxes for anything it wants.

There is currently a federal child tax credit. What's the difference between a tax credit for some and increased taxes for everyone else? How is that not already the Congress imposing a tax penalty for not having children? If they can do that, why not a tax for not having health insurance?

Having a child is a positive act, you are deciding to make major changes in your life.
Not purchasing health insurance is doing nothing, it is inaction. Why should inaction be taxed?

By that reasoning, not having a child is inaction, and those that do not have children pay a higher tax. Why should inaction be taxed?

Oh I agree. I don't think it's fair that I as an individual should pay more to the federal government than someone with kids. You'll actually get no argument from me. As an individual who has so far chosen not to have children, I'm essentially being taxed. That isn't fair. So again, answer this question. Why should inaction be taxed? The existence of an existing example of taxing inaction is not cause to continue taxing inaction. Where does that line of reasoning end? Does congress someday tax your inaction on keeping your yard or neighborhood clean? Do we someday allow congress to tax you for failing to wear a belt? For not showing up to work?

The logic behind the child credit is that families cost more to run. While it is unquestionably true that raising a child is expensive in both time and money, the tax credit essentially legislates lifestyles. Women generally dislike it when congress tells them what to do with their Vaginas (rightly so), why is it this chi ...


The logic behind children is that they grow up and benefit society. Most of our social network is predicated on the population at least remaining stable, if not growing. We reward people for having children so that in 50 years there's someone young enough to work and keep the country moving.
 
2012-06-28 02:54:44 PM
 
2012-06-28 02:55:15 PM

DarnoKonrad: [i.imgur.com image 590x483]


He looks like he's about to puke egg salad on his shoes
 
2012-06-28 02:55:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: I don't know but maybe people can explain this to me.

How is this a huge tax for someone like me because I have insurance because I'm not a huge idiot who takes big risks on his health?


And that's why people don't like you at parties.
 
2012-06-28 02:55:21 PM

penetrating_virga: Obama: You insurance companies must now offer X.
Insurance CEO: Raise all premiums to pay for X (and add an extra margin for my bonus!)


What a splendid healthcare "fix." A true victory for all!


Well, ya, when you take into consideration the millions saved in diseases that will be prevented and possible cured sooner, screenings that people wont put off for lack of insurance etc ... My aunts boobie cancer treatment was A LOT cheaper than it would have been had it been stage 4...

I would go ahead and say it is a pretty great victory.
 
2012-06-28 02:55:24 PM

Weaver95: Dictatorial_Flair: Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

[a57.foxnews.com image 640x387]

/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.

The widespread misreporting almost makes me wonder if something crazy went down behind the scenes, a changed vote at the last minute or something.

nah. I think CNN just jumped the gun is all.


CNN never does that, does it?


i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-06-28 02:55:54 PM

skrame: Rapmaster2000: The country was already pretty messed up. That's why I always throw my cigarette butts out the window.

Dick. I hate people that do that.


Yeah, I'd like to see HUGE fines for butt tossers.
It's even worse than:
Not using your blinkers
Not keeping right
Working out a foot in fron of the dumbell racks
Opening the grocery freezer doors so that door and the surrounding doors fog up, forcing everyone to do the same

/felt like getting some pet peeves out
 
2012-06-28 02:55:58 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: "I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica."

Start packing, Rush.


Of course he won't.

Just like most conservatives, they talk of big game but when push comes to shove, they turn into whiny spineless cowards.

Kind of like what we're seeing on Fark and Free Republic today.
 
2012-06-28 02:56:01 PM

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: If Obama raises taxes on tanning beds, did he raise taxes for EVERY American?


No, he didn't raise them for EVERY American, but he did for some members of the middle class.

His words:


"I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HE-rGGKksQ

But God forbid that your beloved Obama broke a promise.


Read the legislation, it is a fine. The ruling doesn't make the law change the text from "fine" to "tax". The ruling upholds the law. Here's a tip, did the justices ruling against it call it a tax?
 
2012-06-28 02:56:04 PM

Pesky_Humans: Republicans Should Introduce Free Republic is farking awesome right now.

"Buy this or else be taxed..." Laws
June 28, 2012, 12:00:49 PM CDT · by CodeToad
6/28/2012 | CodeToad
Since the government can now demand citizens buy something or else be taxed for it, and we have previously said this on FR but I wanted to re-introduce it, the Republicans should mandate the following taxes. Buy this Or Else Be Taxed: 1. Guns, one per year per family. Tax for not doing so: $1,000. 2. A Bible, one for each family member. Penalty: $1,000 per Bible not purchased.


Okay, but the regulation on guns is that they must not be capable of firing a bullet that can pierce the skin. It's NERF or nothing!

Oh and any book called a bible qualifies, so my Linux Bible is a-okay.
 
2012-06-28 02:56:08 PM

penetrating_virga: Obama: You insurance companies must now offer X.
Insurance CEO: Raise all premiums to pay for X (and add an extra margin for my bonus!)


What a splendid healthcare "fix." A true victory for all!


Yeah X is really expensive. 8 points.

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-28 02:56:10 PM

Phinn: Anti_illuminati: You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!

You have it backwards. The selfish and petty people are the ones who DEMAND that their disproportionately high medical expenses (due to gluttony and sloth) be subsidized by people who are more productive and healthier.

There's nothing more selfish and petty than claiming that you are entitled to other people's stuff.

Besides, it's patent nonsense to claim that it's more economical to "risk pool all." If that were true, there would be no insurance underwriting for anything. The cost of property liability insurance for retailers would be the same as for demolition sites and radioactive waste disposal facilities. In a free insurance market, insurers do not "pool all."

When you extend your third-rate rationale to costs beyond medical expenses, it's obvious that a "risk pool for all" is a perfect euphemism for communism. I wish I were kidding. To each according to his needs ... I forget the rest.


Hey, look, someone figured out that communism isn't a complete blanket bad thing and that some elements of communist economics work depending on the context!
 
2012-06-28 02:56:39 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: guys

you can choose not to have healthcare. all not having it does is subject you to a tax of 1% of your income. for most people this tax will be $500 or less and THOSE people tend to get refunds on taxes large enough that all it does is decrease by $500 or less what you spend on a new flatscreen television or whatever other irresponsible thing you do with your money

and really, thats all implying you don't qualify for a f*cking hardship exemption or are poor enough to be outright put on Medicare anyway

oh, and if you already have health insurance? THIS DOES NOTHING TO YOU.

biggest bunch of crybabies I've ever seen.

oh, and that tax? likely a f*cking PITTANCE in comparison to the f*cking ER bills the motherf*ckers are running up. i mean Jesus, guys. CALM DOWN.


QFT
 
2012-06-28 02:56:47 PM
American people are like a spoiled wife. Hubby USA's money is "our" money to pay for all the no-fun stuff: roads, military, bridges, signs, police, etc... but Wife's check, no, that's "her" money, none for you! What have you done for me lately?
 
2012-06-28 02:56:47 PM

penetrating_virga: Obama: You insurance companies must now offer X.
Insurance CEO: Raise all premiums to pay for X (and add an extra margin for my bonus!)


What a splendid healthcare "fix." A true victory for all!


Problem: 80% of revenue must be used for healthcare.
 
2012-06-28 02:57:02 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: "I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica."

Start packing, Rush.


He normally does his packing after he gets there.
 
2012-06-28 02:57:24 PM

Mrtraveler01: darcsun: Just spent the last hour with the BofA, Merrill Lynch, and ING research teams. They presented their analysis of the health care law decision, its impact on the industry and break down on the positives and negatives.

Pretty much everything was neutral to positive, with the majority of the research finding it positive to the overall economy. The citizens all gained from the ruling. Merrill Lynch actually put out information last Friday correctly concluding the law would be upheld. BofA/Merrill Lynch Global Research was just ranked #1 by the Financial Times two weeks ago. I'd say that their assessment of this being positive is on the mark.

I work in the Pharmacy Benefits Management industry (basically we're a mail-order pharmacy) and we're getting a really big kick out of this.

More people on insurance=more potential customers= more $$$


I contract with insurance companies on the behalf of hospitals for a living.
I'm sad because they chopped the medicaid part of the bill so the really poor people won't be helped presumably, but they kept the part that makes hospitals and insurance companies profit margins by forcing the young and healthy to buy overpriced insurance, and that means the retarded system that employs me will be bolstered and probably remain in place until we have an epic fiscal disaster.
this also means I'll continue on my career path of having a long and lucrative career attempting and often succeeding in overcharging americans in increasing amounts for their healthcare and that sucks.
 
2012-06-28 02:57:27 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: "I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica."

Start packing, Rush.


...to Costa Rica, where they have universal socialized medicine.
 
2012-06-28 02:57:42 PM

stvdallas: . Only, Obamacare means that something we can't afford right now is just going to cost even more...and continue to run our country into even more debt.


You know that isn't true, right?

CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation-H.R. 3590
and the reconciliation proposal-would produce a net reduction in federal
deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in
direct spending and revenues
 
2012-06-28 02:57:56 PM

coeyagi: Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.

My bet is on Mississppi or South Carolina, but those are safe bets. Anyone want to go Georgia or Tennessee?


My money is on Texas or Arizona.
 
2012-06-28 02:58:13 PM

NeoCortex42: Corvus: NeoCortex42: Looks like Fox News has chosen their talking point until the election. Their main page is all about IT'S A TAX. There might be something about healthcare buried in there somewhere, but TAX TAX.

So does it "FORCE" people to buy insurance or is it a "TAX"? Seems like they were lying when they said it was "forcing" people to buy insurance when it actually just taxes them for not buying insurance.

I'm getting the impression that the message has changed from "Mandate infringes on our freedom" to "Obama lied about no new taxes", since they can no longer argue that the mandate equals destroying the constitution.


Just because the two views are contradictory won't stop them from believing both at the same time.
 
2012-06-28 02:58:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: I don't know but maybe people can explain this to me.

How is this a huge tax for someone like me because I have insurance because I'm not a huge idiot who takes big risks on his health?


You'll start feeling it at least by 2014... insurance companies aren't going to cover additional risk without increasing end user costs. Employers will pass on additional costs or decide that it's too much trouble and let each employee figure it out for themselves. It'll be all unicorns and rainbows for those that aren't a huge idiots. The idiots will get a free ride like they always do.
 
2012-06-28 02:58:18 PM

Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.

You'll get over it

/From a fellow conservative

I know, I've heard people on facebook talk about leaving America over this and also talks of a revolution over this. Of course these people support RON PAUL too so maybe I shouldn't be surprised at how unhinged they're taking this.

It's times like this I really wonder how stupid Americans can be.


Actually, i shouldn't discourage the tears. They are funny to drink. Come on Conservatives. Man up! We lost this one, so what? Don't sit there and cry about it.
 
2012-06-28 02:58:21 PM

mrshowrules: Dusk-You-n-Me: "I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica."

Start packing, Rush.

He normally does his packing after he gets there.


www.whoateallthepies.tv
 
2012-06-28 02:59:22 PM

Phinn: Anti_illuminati: You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!

You have it backwards. The selfish and petty people are the ones who DEMAND that their disproportionately high medical expenses (due to gluttony and sloth) be subsidized by people who are more productive and healthier.


Did you not see the math in my previous post. Not including the uninsured actually causes insurance premiums and costs to rise. This lazy, fat angle is hyperbolic and you know it.

There's nothing more selfish and petty than claiming that you are entitled to other people's stuff.


Wrong. Those who refuse to pay for want will ultimately be incurred is selfish. You'll get sick, you'll get hit by a bus, you'll have terminal cancer, you'll incur medical expenses no matter which way you look at it. Why should I have to pay for you getting hit by a bus and dying? You're not paying the medical costs, are you? You just want a free ride until its time to meet your maker, then its "fark everyone else, I deserve this medical treatment".

Besides, it's patent nonsense to claim that it's more economical to "risk pool all." If that were true, there would be no insurance underwriting for anything. The cost of property liability insurance for retailers would be the same as for demolition sites and radioactive waste disposal facilities. In a free insurance market, insurers do not "pool all."


This is patently ignorant, and as an underwriter, I can see you have no idea what your talking about and your addressing the issue in platitudes.

When you extend your third-rate rationale to costs beyond medical expenses, it's obvious that a "risk pool for all" is a perfect euphemism for communism. I wish I were kidding. To each according to his needs ... I forget the rest.


Nice slippery slope euphemism you got there. Do you have anything with substance perhaps?
 
2012-06-28 02:59:28 PM

gothelder: DjangoStonereaver: gothelder: Lando Lincoln: I can't afford an aircraft carrier.

I work for Northrop Grumman, we just spun off Huntington-Ingalls, I'll see what I can do about getting you an employee discount, since my support desk still helps em out.

I'd go with an old CVE. Better gas mileage.

I am pretty sure the old carriers used fuel oil that's why the blew up so spectacularly , and I know the new ones we build are nuclear.

I am also pretty mariners do not do things in miles? Fathoms for up and down as I recall, but on the horizontal plane? (never been on anything bigger than a raft)

Also if you have a carrier, why do you need to worry about gas mileage, worse comes to worse you hire Dennis Hopper and horde of unfortunates to row your ass around the seven seas.


2nd time I've used this in this thread:

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-28 02:59:43 PM

Smelly McUgly: Phinn: Anti_illuminati: You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!

You have it backwards. The selfish and petty people are the ones who DEMAND that their disproportionately high medical expenses (due to gluttony and sloth) be subsidized by people who are more productive and healthier.

There's nothing more selfish and petty than claiming that you are entitled to other people's stuff.

Besides, it's patent nonsense to claim that it's more economical to "risk pool all." If that were true, there would be no insurance underwriting for anything. The cost of property liability insurance for retailers would be the same as for demolition sites and radioactive waste disposal facilities. In a free insurance market, insurers do not "pool all."

When you extend your third-rate rationale to costs beyond medical expenses, it's obvious that a "risk pool for all" is a perfect euphemism for communism. I wish I were kidding. To each according to his needs ... I forget the rest.

Hey, look, someone figured out that communism isn't a complete blanket bad thing and that some elements of communist economics work depending on the context!


My mother-in-law got all up in arms about "COMMUNISTS!" the other day. I asked her to define what "Communism" was. She said it was a dictatorship where no one has any rights. I told her that if we only looked at the nations of central Asia and Africa "Democracy" would mean the same thing. She didn't understand.
 
2012-06-28 03:00:01 PM

relcec: but they kept the part that makes hospitals and insurance companies profit margins by forcing the young and healthy to buy overpriced insurance, and that means the retarded system that employs me will be bolstered and probably remain in place until we have an epic fiscal disaster.


But since they will be making extra money from healthy people who normally wouldn't buy insurance, and the fact that they are capped by having to use 80% for actual healthcare, wouldn't premiums have to adjust to compensate?

Of course, this assumes medical charges don't just skyrocket to compensate and keep costs high.
 
2012-06-28 03:00:11 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Sure RW, this means Obama raised taxes. Then it also means Mitt raised taxes while he was governor of MA. Your move.


You're on today.

/most days
 
2012-06-28 03:01:21 PM

The_Sponge: No, he didn't raise them for EVERY American, but he did for some members of the middle class.

His words:


"I can make a firm pledge, under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."


Spin away, pal. Spin away. It's fun to watch.
 
2012-06-28 03:01:25 PM

Mrtraveler01: I don't know but maybe people can explain this to me.

How is this a huge tax for someone like me because I have insurance because I'm not a huge idiot who takes big risks on his health?


Because you'd have to pay for the "must be living like kings" tax bracket who, while they usually work, don't make enough money (or are too young/ignorant/stupid) to buy health insurance and make too much to qualify for government assistance.

You know, the lower vertebrae of the backbone of America the "why do I have to pay for the freeloaders' insurance" crowd apparently hates. At least that's my take on it.
 
2012-06-28 03:01:31 PM

penetrating_virga: Obama: You insurance companies must now offer X.
Insurance CEO: Raise all premiums to pay for X (and add an extra margin for my bonus!)


What a splendid healthcare "fix." A true victory for all!


You are aware that money going to non-health providing for insurance companies is capped under ACA, don't you?

Oh I doubt you do.
 
2012-06-28 03:01:47 PM

NeoCortex42: relcec: but they kept the part that makes hospitals and insurance companies profit margins by forcing the young and healthy to buy overpriced insurance, and that means the retarded system that employs me will be bolstered and probably remain in place until we have an epic fiscal disaster.

But since they will be making extra money from healthy people who normally wouldn't buy insurance, and the fact that they are capped by having to use 80% for actual healthcare, wouldn't premiums have to adjust to compensate?

Of course, this assumes medical charges don't just skyrocket to compensate and keep costs high.


lutz...i'm glad somebody gets it
 
2012-06-28 03:02:22 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-28 03:02:29 PM
actually I should look at this as a win either way situation instead of a lose either way.
either I was going to get to see the retarded employer based system destabilized by a ruling that the mandate was unconstitutional, or I was gonna get to stay on this career path that I enjoy.
I won either way.
 
2012-06-28 03:02:54 PM

ciberido: The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.


Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.

You pretty much do in America, actually.


Tell that to people that live in NY actually.
 
2012-06-28 03:03:43 PM

muck4doo: Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.

You'll get over it

/From a fellow conservative

I know, I've heard people on facebook talk about leaving America over this and also talks of a revolution over this. Of course these people support RON PAUL too so maybe I shouldn't be surprised at how unhinged they're taking this.

It's times like this I really wonder how stupid Americans can be.

Actually, i shouldn't discourage the tears. They are funny to drink. Come on Conservatives. Man up! We lost this one, so what? Don't sit there and cry about it.


Needs a picture to go with that post:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 03:03:46 PM

Krymson Tyde: coeyagi: Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.

My bet is on Mississppi or South Carolina, but those are safe bets. Anyone want to go Georgia or Tennessee?

My money is on Texas or Arizona.


Good riddance to all six. Third world status in two generations, top.
 
2012-06-28 03:03:48 PM

major_accuracy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]


Awesome.
 
2012-06-28 03:03:49 PM

Purdue_Pete: mrshowrules: Purdue_Pete: Either have 100% socialized medicine... or stay out of our lives.

Many countries started by socializing the emergency care aspect. This is a natural extension to covering fire and police services. Covering people who can't afford private insurance is a natural extension to that. Ultimately, single-payer seems the next logical step because it is the most cost effective but more importantly helps you control the increases in health care costs which would be insane under a private insurance model.

Free-market works well for some things and bad for others. It has to with something having an inelastic demand. If people claiming to understand "free market" principles, they should actually understand this.

Exactly. However, Obamacare will be a bureaucratic disaster. I 100% guarantee that this will hurt the poor and sick the most. Doctors will be dropping Medicare due to the massive payment decreases and it will create a further divide in the haves and have-nots. It's not even debatable.

I am an independent, Libertarian-leaning thinker and it's beyond obvious, it needs to be single-payer or nothing at all. It's basic common sense.


-beyond obvious
-not even debatable
-100% guarantee
-common sense

I'm curious what your prediction on the ruling was today.
 
2012-06-28 03:03:55 PM

Dinki: Dull Cow Eyes: Looks like it won't prevent people from going bankrupt who have major medical expenses.

Um, no, unless you have a $3 million bill in one year

Lifetime & Annual Limits



I'm going by stuff like this:

Link

A spokesperson for Harry Reid reportedly said that the language reflects a concern "that banning all annual limits, regardless of whether services are voluntary, could lead to higher premiums." In other words, under the Senate bill, those who get seriously ill might have to face financial ruin so that most people can save a bit on their monthly premiums. That's not a good bargain of you're one of millions of people diagnosed with common, expensive-to-treat diseases like cancer, diabetes, or heart disease.



That, and most individual health care plans seem to cover only 60-70% of actual costs.

(Group plans, on the other hand, currently cover something close to 90% of costs.)
 
2012-06-28 03:03:55 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x331]


And stolen.
 
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