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2012-06-28 02:43:28 PM

derpdeederp: Personally, I think it morally wrong to take money from one group of people to pay for anothers benefits


so i assume you oppose social security on these grounds, too. and the military. let's not forget about the military. and schools (i don't have kids, so why do i have to pay property taxes!)
 
2012-06-28 02:43:36 PM

ModernPrimitive01: netweavr: ModernPrimitive01: The_Sponge: derpdeederp: netweavr: People without children should (and do) pay higher taxes...

Why should they?


Using up more services and resources.

Wait are you saying that people without children use up more resources? Because I'm pretty sure my dog and cat use up less resources than your little snot nosed kid.

/ I'll take animals over human babies any day
//don't mind paying taxes if it's for a good cause. Health care for the needy is a good cause

Society, by nature, builds upon itself. We provide public education in an attempt to build upon the previous generations knowledge and technological achievements. If you don't produce children to build upon your generation, then you're just leaching the system without putting back into it.

So having children is the only way to build upon mankind's knowledge? What if I decided not to have kids but instead focus on curing cancer, writing a beautiful symphony, or an amazing novel? That is lasting knowledge for the good of humanity. I'm putting back into the system and other people's children can build from my knowledge. If I had a kid, I may not have the time or resources to do any of those things. This is why I get pissed when people ask my wife and I "when are you going to start a family?" Like what we're doing now is just farking around but our life will begin as soon as we procreate


If everyone did that, then society ends. I'm not telling you what you personally need to do with your life, I'm justifying society's subsidizing of child-rearing.
 
2012-06-28 02:43:46 PM
they're calling for a tax revolt (which I am for) over this, but 8 years of young men and woman killing foreigners in their own country and not a word. But now helping poor people in a financially rigged system to have healthcare options ahhhhh!!! don't pay your taxes!! and those who say "you should pay for healthcare it costs money" these same people still patron establishments that hire people at wages that make additional bills inhumane. Stop eating fast food and demanding customer service if you think everyone should just "have" the money to pay for all this bullshiat. Who says everything should be paid for, there really are things we can just have. Unfortunately Our only hope is an ocean/lava filled end of "humanity".
 
2012-06-28 02:43:47 PM

Anti_illuminati: Phinn: If you want to be a champion for institutionalized parasitism, go ahead.

You will not get my money, though. I will see to that.

You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!


Yes it is really selfish of people to want to keep what they have earned to spend how they want. Instead of having it taken by people that demand it but have not earned it in order to buy what they want.
 
2012-06-28 02:43:50 PM

Dull Cow Eyes: Looks like it won't prevent people from going bankrupt who have major medical expenses.


Um, no, unless you have a $3 million bill in one year

Lifetime & Annual Limits
 
2012-06-28 02:44:13 PM

muck4doo: Voting this funniest comment


it's just a swing-and-a-miss, man - i remember weaver2003. you may have your ass in the air over being insufficiently libertarian, but i remember sycophantic bush nutlicking to a point i question if he is sufficiently human.

none of that really has anything to do with your 9 year old girl impersonation. point your finger at the mods, wave it about in weaver's direction, whatever - you're still the one acting like a child.
 
2012-06-28 02:44:45 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Fluorescent Testicle: Well I'll be motherfarking damned.

Some faith in the SCOTUS has been restored.

Then your faith is misguided. Freedom died today. Congress can now make you buy anything they want and "Tax" you if you do not.


Just like a war in Iraq, except this time they buy something you want and is good for you.
 
2012-06-28 02:45:07 PM

Jackson Herring: Weaver95: it's a category 5 derpstorm, that's for sure.

The propagation of "ideas" in the modern media really is fascinating.


the GOP isn't interested in 'ideas' as much as they are in propaganda. Romney got up in front of a camera today and lied his ass off about Obamacare, Limbaugh beat the mantra of 'taxes/deception' almost from the start of his show. the GOP groupmind isn't very smart, but they ARE loud and coordinated and sometimes that's enough.
 
2012-06-28 02:45:14 PM
Still waiting for someone to tell me why taking care of your fellow man is a bad thing.

For all their obsession on the Bible, Republicans don't seem to care about others very much.
 
2012-06-28 02:45:39 PM

StoneColdAtheist: shortymac: /American living in Canada
//Single payer health care isn't scary

As an American living in America under a single payer system most of my life (military), I strongly agree with you. I have never lost a moment of sleep over how to pay for meds or medical treatment for me or my family.

People who whine about single-payer only do so because they've never lived under it.


many object because they have ideologically induced myopia and are moribund, almost everyone who will read that sentence is to some extent.

just as the modern liberal ethos is disastrous as applied to certain problems, so is the conservative estimation that all problems can be eased by leaving more control and decision making up to individuals disastrous.
 
2012-06-28 02:45:46 PM

pacochu: Obama should land on a hospital roof in a Life Flight helicopter while wearing a paramedics uniform.


You are awesome and hilarious.
 
2012-06-28 02:46:32 PM

itsallgeek2me: I remember when it was going through congress and the phrase was "it's being shoved down our throats!"... and you could tell who watched conservative news because they not only used similar words (or similar arguments), but the EXACT SAME WORDING VERBATIM to state their case. If you pay attention to it you can see the pattern repeating across issues again and again.


Instead of an elephant, the symbol of the Republican Party should be a Myna bird.
 
2012-06-28 02:46:54 PM

The_Sponge: Rwa2play: I like how you and your brethren keep trying to push this as a talking point when, in fact, it's not.

But do keep farking that chicken.


You guys can't even admit that he broke that promise. At least keep it real by admitting that he did, but you don't mind because you like the end result.


The SCOTUS upheld the mandate vis a vis "raising taxes", not Obama, you farking moron.
 
2012-06-28 02:46:57 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Fluorescent Testicle: Well I'll be motherfarking damned.

Some faith in the SCOTUS has been restored.

Then your faith is misguided. Freedom died today. Congress can now make you buy anything they want and "Tax" you if you do not.


Like a house. I didn't buy a house (and get a loan to do it), so I don't get the tax break for the mortgage interest. That just happened today, too. So I pay a tax for not having borrowed money to buy a house. And that was never true until today.

Oh, wait, yes it was!
 
2012-06-28 02:47:01 PM

derpdeederp: Personally, I think it morally wrong to take money from one group of people to pay for anothers benefits, so single payer would have been better in my mind. But we get what we get.


So you don't use public roads? You don't use the internet? Those are befits that others have paid for that you use.

Or is it ok when you do it?
 
2012-06-28 02:47:08 PM

optimistic_cynic: WombatControl:

Here's a clue: health insurance is not health care. All "universal" or "single-payer" systems work by rationing care. You want treatment for your rare cancer? Some government bureaucrat will determine that the treatment isn't cost effective, and you will either die waiting for it, or you'll never be given the chance. Not only do you end up dead in that scenario, but new and innovative treatments never get developed because said bureaucrat won't pay for them. Oh, but you have "free" health insurance - just not free health care.


How is this different from the insurance provider making those same decisions?


It's ok when the private sector does it!
 
2012-06-28 02:47:23 PM
I guess the "OH NO ITS A TAX" thing would work if the economy was getting worse as it was under Bush the Senior and not better as it is under PRESIDENT Obama.
 
2012-06-28 02:47:29 PM

netweavr: ModernPrimitive01: netweavr: ModernPrimitive01: The_Sponge: derpdeederp: netweavr: People without children should (and do) pay higher taxes...

Why should they?


Using up more services and resources.

Wait are you saying that people without children use up more resources? Because I'm pretty sure my dog and cat use up less resources than your little snot nosed kid.

/ I'll take animals over human babies any day
//don't mind paying taxes if it's for a good cause. Health care for the needy is a good cause

If everyone did that, then society ends. I'm not telling you what you personally need to do with your life, I'm justifying society's subsidizing of child-rearing.


I don't think we have to worry about people not having children. I think the procreation instinct is enough in most people to do it regardless. I just have to look down the block to the couple of houses that are Section 8 housing. Filled with children but those people haven't paid income taxes in years.
 
2012-06-28 02:47:32 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Still waiting for someone to tell me why taking care of your fellow man is a bad thing.

For all their obsession on the Bible, Republicans don't seem to care about others very much.


socialisms! OMG SO MANY socialisms! taxes and socialisms! something something free market, invisible hand, wave flag and freedom.
 
2012-06-28 02:47:48 PM
Just spent the last hour with the BofA, Merrill Lynch, and ING research teams. They presented their analysis of the health care law decision, its impact on the industry and break down on the positives and negatives.

Pretty much everything was neutral to positive, with the majority of the research finding it positive to the overall economy. The citizens all gained from the ruling. Merrill Lynch actually put out information last Friday correctly concluding the law would be upheld. BofA/Merrill Lynch Global Research was just ranked #1 by the Financial Times two weeks ago. I'd say that their assessment of this being positive is on the mark.
 
2012-06-28 02:47:59 PM

derpdeederp: The_Sponge: derpdeederp: netweavr: People without children should (and do) pay higher taxes...

Why should they?


Using up more services and resources.

People without children use more services and resources? I thought it would be the other way around.


Hey look, you learned something new today. Isn't it shocking to know that those who are raising the next generation end up using less than your pointy high heeled boot wearing club dancers do on the week-end? Look at ancient Rome. Who did Augustus bless? The people making families, or the pigs attending orgies?
 
2012-06-28 02:48:00 PM
Lando Lincoln [TotalFark]



jevanpe5: Zerochance


I'll take the role of being the insensitive prick to answer this, and while I am profoundly sorry for your dad's condition (lost relatives to cancer myself) the ACA does specifically state there are no lifetime limits to coverage therefore your dad should have his scans covered by his insurance.

No: I said they wont pay for another like the "first-two" that they already took. The Doctor claims that he can't hardly compare the two, therefor making it difficult to measure any progress, if any... Need money: please send. It's the democratic way.
Thanks.

So you want us to give you money because the insurance company is being a jerk? And this, somehow, is related to "democrat" policies? I don't understand.

Why don't you go to your church and ask them for the cash? That's the "republican way" to fix things.


Thanks anyway, man... Thats ok.. We're rich business owners anyway. We'll just keep paying for deadweight asses like yourself and take care of own in the meantime.. Thats the Republican Way...
Gotta work tonight... Nite..
 
2012-06-28 02:48:26 PM

Weaver95: the GOP isn't interested in 'ideas' as much as they are in propaganda. Romney got up in front of a camera today and lied his ass off about Obamacare, Limbaugh beat the mantra of 'taxes/deception' almost from the start of his show. the GOP groupmind isn't very smart, but they ARE loud and coordinated and sometimes that's enough.


Frankly I think it's all a liberal media/farklibmod conspiracy.
 
2012-06-28 02:48:48 PM
This is America's Bowl Coalition. Not the end game, but a definite improvement.
 
2012-06-28 02:48:50 PM

whidbey: GhostFish: I don't think anyone is really happy with the mandate. It's a patch job on a leaking tire.

Some people want to ignore the damage to the tire and just drive on it.
Some people see the patch as a working solution until the tire can be replaced.
Some people want to throw away the patch, and MacGyver a new one from pixie dust and the flesh of the poor.

But I don't think anyone sees the patch as a permanent solution.

No, YOU aren't happy about it. I'm happy as f*ck.


You see the mandate as a good, permanent solution to the issue?

I'm okay with the mandate. I think it's probably the only viable solution that doesn't require a huge, disruptive change to the way things work. But I kind of hope that we can do better further down the line.
 
2012-06-28 02:49:01 PM
Looks like Fox News has chosen their talking point until the election. Their main page is all about IT'S A TAX. There might be something about healthcare buried in there somewhere, but TAX TAX.
 
2012-06-28 02:49:04 PM
Let me see if I can simplify this...and please correct any generalizations here if I'm really far off on this.

Before, people who worked for themselves, people whose companies didn't pay health care, unemployed and illegal aliens represented those that didn't have heath care. They would still get care, and those costs would get passed on to those that did pay insurance.

Now, most everyone will be required to pay for insurance. If they can't afford it, they will be "taxed". So, basically...those that can least afford to pay it are being forced to pay something. But, everyone's covered, so that's ok.

To me, the most important factor in the health care system has been ignored. The costs involved. The drug companies and their research and liability costs. And, legal costs of the hospitals. Plus, I believe...a bit of price gouging since there is no competition. I found out that a single instrument for an operation has about a $500 cost. To me, THIS is the major issue here. Seriously...how hard is it to sterilize an instrument??!!?? It's sure as hell not $500 bucks worth.

This is where we need to be focusing...and until that is dealt with, it won't matter if we have Obamacare or not. Only, Obamacare means that something we can't afford right now is just going to cost even more...and continue to run our country into even more debt.

Can you say the USA Bond rating moving for AA to A?
 
2012-06-28 02:49:07 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Yes it is really selfish of people to want to keep what they have earned to spend how they want. Instead of having it taken by people that demand it but have not earned it in order to buy what they want.


would you be capable of earning in say......Somalia? or is there something going on here in America that has enabled you do earn something?
enabled you to earn... no American got where they are without the benefit of the society in which we live.
 
2012-06-28 02:49:26 PM
i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.
 
2012-06-28 02:49:30 PM

The_Sponge: You guys can't even admit that he broke that promise. At least keep it real by admitting that he did, but you don't mind because you like the end result.


I took his promise of not raising taxes on the middle class as not raising income taxes on people not adding excise taxes or fees. I think most people consider that was what was meant.
 
2012-06-28 02:49:34 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Fluorescent Testicle: Well I'll be motherfarking damned.

Some faith in the SCOTUS has been restored.

Then your faith is misguided. Freedom died today. Congress can now make you buy anything they want and "Tax" you if you do not.


Congress could already "make" you buy a house, or "make" you have a child, by making you pay more in taxes. How is this different?
 
2012-06-28 02:49:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bwilson27: BONER IS CRYING NOW.

I haven't seen a Bohner weep like this since Roseanne released her hardcore anal gape lesbian sex tape guest starring Paula Deen and Beth Ditto.


Fap.

/What?
 
2012-06-28 02:50:13 PM

jevanpe5: Lando Lincoln [TotalFark]



jevanpe5: Zerochance


I'll take the role of being the insensitive prick to answer this, and while I am profoundly sorry for your dad's condition (lost relatives to cancer myself) the ACA does specifically state there are no lifetime limits to coverage therefore your dad should have his scans covered by his insurance.

No: I said they wont pay for another like the "first-two" that they already took. The Doctor claims that he can't hardly compare the two, therefor making it difficult to measure any progress, if any... Need money: please send. It's the democratic way.
Thanks.

So you want us to give you money because the insurance company is being a jerk? And this, somehow, is related to "democrat" policies? I don't understand.

Why don't you go to your church and ask them for the cash? That's the "republican way" to fix things.


Thanks anyway, man... Thats ok.. We're rich business owners anyway. We'll just keep paying for deadweight asses like yourself and take care of own in the meantime.. Thats the Republican Way...
Gotta work tonight... Nite..


Oh look a "rich business owner" is against people getting healthcare

BIG SURPRISE
 
2012-06-28 02:50:19 PM

darcsun: Just spent the last hour with the BofA, Merrill Lynch, and ING research teams. They presented their analysis of the health care law decision, its impact on the industry and break down on the positives and negatives.

Pretty much everything was neutral to positive, with the majority of the research finding it positive to the overall economy. The citizens all gained from the ruling. Merrill Lynch actually put out information last Friday correctly concluding the law would be upheld. BofA/Merrill Lynch Global Research was just ranked #1 by the Financial Times two weeks ago. I'd say that their assessment of this being positive is on the mark.


I work in the Pharmacy Benefits Management industry (basically we're a mail-order pharmacy) and we're getting a really big kick out of this.

More people on insurance=more potential customers= more $$$
 
2012-06-28 02:50:22 PM

SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.


so you're drinking the red Kool-aid then?
 
2012-06-28 02:50:35 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 02:50:40 PM

heap: NateGrey: Real conservatives need to stop listening to psychobabble from PhonyCon pubs like Weakly Standard

America was pretty much neutered today, led by a Chief Justice who was appointed by a FraudCon Bush II and pushed by a FraudCon GOP senate.

No more whiny psychobable...time to pee or get off the pot. There needs to be some serious action from Real Conservatives to start fixing this nation


------


Sadly, we all know how this ends. Not with the whimper of submission by the masses, but the inevitable escalation of free men against those who subvert the Constitution in order to enslave. Predictably it will start with disharmony and devolve into passive resistance. Eventually one man will resist to the point of confrontation with servants who act as his master, and those servants will lay him to waste. It devolves rapidly from there until free men retain their freedom through every means necessary.

As much as I abhor violence, I will not shed five tears for when justice is served.


i abhor violence, really - it just sounds like i'm masturbating to a violent fantasy.


Glenn, is that you? You need to get more fanatical and churchy!
 
2012-06-28 02:50:44 PM

NeoCortex42: Looks like Fox News has chosen their talking point until the election. Their main page is all about IT'S A TAX. There might be something about healthcare buried in there somewhere, but TAX TAX.


So does it "FORCE" people to buy insurance or is it a "TAX"? Seems like they were lying when they said it was "forcing" people to buy insurance when it actually just taxes them for not buying insurance.
 
2012-06-28 02:50:46 PM

heap: muck4doo: Voting this funniest comment

it's just a swing-and-a-miss, man - i remember weaver2003. you may have your ass in the air over being insufficiently libertarian, but i remember sycophantic bush nutlicking to a point i question if he is sufficiently human.

none of that really has anything to do with your 9 year old girl impersonation. point your finger at the mods, wave it about in weaver's direction, whatever - you're still the one acting like a child.


Voting this for funny as well.
 
2012-06-28 02:50:53 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: The SCOTUS upheld the mandate vis a vis "raising taxes", not Obama, you farking moron.



Yeah yeah, I love you too.
 
2012-06-28 02:50:53 PM
Sure RW, this means Obama raised taxes. Then it also means Mitt raised taxes while he was governor of MA. Your move.
 
2012-06-28 02:51:40 PM
Real. Men. of. Genius.

Today we salute you, Original Blueprint for Obamacare Guy.

You started this thing by enacting it in Massachussets,

And then took a dump on it when Obama thought it was cool. (That's kinda douchey!)

Only someone who thinks trees in Michigan are the right height

Couldn't climb down from his pedestal for one damn minute (Whoa, it's kinda cold up here!)

That's why we salute you, oh Captain of the Coin-flip!

You might not become our president,

But you'll always be Commander-in-Chief of our Healthcare system! (Original Blueprint for Obamacare Guy!)
 
2012-06-28 02:51:42 PM

Big Man On Campus:

Oh I agree. I don't think it's fair that I as an individual should pay more to the federal government than someone with kids. You'll actually get no argument from me. As an individual who has so far chosen not to have children, I'm essentially being taxed. That isn't fair. So again, answer this question. Why should inaction be taxed? The existence of an existing example of taxing inaction is not cause to continue taxing inaction. Where does that line of reasoning end? Does congress someday tax your inaction on keeping your yard or neighborhood clean? Do we someday allow congress to tax you for failing to wear a belt? For not showing up to work?

The logic behind the child credit is that families cost more to run


I agree that being forced into buying insurance from for-profit insurers is distasteful, I would prefer a single-payer system myself. For the child tax credit specifically, I suppose an argument could be made that on average a child will contribute more to society as a whole than they consume, and so the child tax credit is an incentive to pay some of the upfront cost. As for your slippery slope argument, that's what elections are for.
 
2012-06-28 02:51:45 PM

Anti_illuminati: You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!


You have it backwards. The selfish and petty people are the ones who DEMAND that their disproportionately high medical expenses (due to gluttony and sloth) be subsidized by people who are more productive and healthier.

There's nothing more selfish and petty than claiming that you are entitled to other people's stuff.

Besides, it's patent nonsense to claim that it's more economical to "risk pool all." If that were true, there would be no insurance underwriting for anything. The cost of property liability insurance for retailers would be the same as for demolition sites and radioactive waste disposal facilities. In a free insurance market, insurers do not "pool all."

When you extend your third-rate rationale to costs beyond medical expenses, it's obvious that a "risk pool for all" is a perfect euphemism for communism. I wish I were kidding. To each according to his needs ... I forget the rest.
 
2012-06-28 02:51:55 PM

SlothB77: i need a drink. this is a horrible, awful day for this country. This country is being destroyed.


You'll get over it

/From a fellow conservative
 
2012-06-28 02:51:56 PM

ialdabaoth: If I were going to be PERFECTLY accurate, I should say "I would like an answer that stands up to conservative ideology".


Saves money. Preventative medicine is cheaper. "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." That argument should fit conservative ideology.

If only today's conservatives were actually conservative.
 
2012-06-28 02:52:17 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Anti_illuminati: Phinn: If you want to be a champion for institutionalized parasitism, go ahead.

You will not get my money, though. I will see to that.

You are an incredibly petty, selfish individual. And that's how you will die - angry and lonely. It's too bad you overlooked the rational, economical sound sense it makes to risk pool all.

But from your comments I can just see that you're just a Randian, and your personal views have no basis in reality.

So continue on with your badself!

Yes it is really selfish of people to want to keep what they have earned to spend how they want. Instead of having it taken by people that demand it but have not earned it in order to buy what they want.


This isn't a tv, laptop, car or any other materialistic matter. This is something that everyone pays for eventually. Hell, under the same guise, you could say the same thing about education, police and fire. I live in a safe neighborhood with a good crime record and there hasn't been a fire in 50 years. So I shouldn't have to pay taxes for police (because our neighborhood watch is adequate enough) and I shouldn't have to pay taxes for a fire department because my house never burnt down. Right?
 
2012-06-28 02:52:20 PM
Obama: You insurance companies must now offer X.
Insurance CEO: Raise all premiums to pay for X (and add an extra margin for my bonus!)


What a splendid healthcare "fix." A true victory for all!
 
2012-06-28 02:52:21 PM

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: Oh come on. There's no need for this "beloved Obama" bullsh:t. You just make yourself look petty.


Fine....but I whipped out "beloved" because none of you can admit that he broke a promise.


Possibility A: The "broken promise" only comes about through a (deliberate or otherwise) misinterpretation of a statement that was obviously referencing income taxes, and everyone else is merely recognizing that straightforward fact.

Possibility 2: You alone are right and everybody else is wrong; they just can't bring themselves to admit it.

Your Occam's Razor's getting a little dull there, I reckon. Might I recommend switching to the Mach 3?
 
2012-06-28 02:52:32 PM
I don't know but maybe people can explain this to me.

How is this a huge tax for someone like me because I have insurance because I'm not a huge idiot who takes big risks on his health?
 
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