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2012-06-28 01:25:54 PM  

draa: "FreeRepublicThursday, June 28, 2012 11:18:24 AM · by max americana · 3 replies
vanity | June 29, 2012 | max
We have a small production office and after today's decision by those putrid traitors on the SC. We will fire our obama-worshiping employee. Hey, it's not my fault. WE CAN'T AFFORD HIM now after the decision. I hope for the worst on those scums on the SC and this POS p-resident. "

Conservatives are such nice people. Don't believe me? Just ask one... and then cockpunch the motherfarker.


Pretty sure that being fired for being "obama-worshiping" is grounds for some kind of lawsuit. Assuming this is something that actually happens and not just "max americana" shotting his mouth off, that post might count as evidence.
 
2012-06-28 01:26:05 PM  

Hagbardr: Wow. The freepers are claiming that Roberts' family was held hostage to coerce his vote. Link


Cognitive dissonance. It's what's for dinner.
 
2012-06-28 01:26:07 PM  

mr lawson: Fail in Human Form: The bill limits the amount of overhead so if they raise the rates, or requires a rebate cheque to be sent to the policy holders, it'll be to cover the cost not to line their pockets.

Hey yoohoo. THAT is the problem. Just think for a second about this. .....What is stopping the hospitals and doctors from RAISING their prices? They know they are now gonna get paid, right? What is stopping them? Nothing is!
Well now Mr. Insurance Comp will just raise your premiums to cover this increase because, guess what? Ya' gotta have it by law. Let's say your premium was $1,000. well 80% has to be spent on care which leaves $200 for the insurance comp profit. Now your rate increase to $2,000 to cover the increased hospitals fees, 80% still has to go to care, but now the insurance comp profits are $400!
Think!


Prices don't just arbitrarily rise, as fewer people rely on expensive emergency services the cost should go down. Hospitals will still have to compete for coverage from various insurance companies since this bill keeps health coverage in private hands. That's part of what the exchanges that go into effect in 2014 will help avoid.
 
2012-06-28 01:26:40 PM  

whidbey: Honestly, I can't see anyone being upset by this, and if you are, what the hell is wrong with you? Seriously.


See, now Whidbey and i have a history of arguing with each other over years(mainly because he didn't like that me and his mom met at Ihop), but he is right. Don't be mad at this all you conservatives out there. Yes you mr.pipes and others. It's done, it's history, let's just hope it works for the best. It's not the end of the world. It's just time to try something new. Just like whidbey's mom did.
 
2012-06-28 01:26:49 PM  

Corvus: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 413x310]

"With regards to the mandate, the individual responsibility program which I proposed, I was very pleased to see that the compromise from the two houses includes the personal responsibility principle, that is essential for bringing health care costs down for everyone, and for getting everybody the health insurance they deserve and need. So I was very pleased with that development."


Was this when he was governor, or did he JUST say this?
 
2012-06-28 01:26:56 PM  

farkerofDOOM: I see your point. But seriously. What is the big deal. I'm still trying to figure out what all the wharrgarbl is about. You either choose to get insurance or you choose to pay the tax. Big whoop.


The point is this:

Taxes usually require some action to become applicable. Mere living is the action now. It sets a dangerous precedent. Also, since it is a tax, jail time is possible (albeit not very probable) if you don't pay your taxes you can go to jail.

There are also some good reasons why a person would not have health insurance. If your net worth is in the millions, and your health is good, it could be a wasted expense (1,000,000 at 4% in a CD would be 40,000 to take care of any medical issues definitely enough to negotiate with a health provider to satisfy their fees in most cases) . A young male (females are a different story with their reproductive issues males do not have) with no health issues, has very little reason to get health coverage. They just as easily could get an injury plan and have their problem paid for for less money than heath insurance. But the mandate is to have health insurance.

/I am not making a case for people to ignore their personal responsibility.
//I am making the case taxing a person for existing is not a good precedent and not all cases require health insurance.
 
2012-06-28 01:26:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Jackpot777: Sorry if this is a repost...

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 400x300]

Oh hell, you should read some of the shiat on Twitter about it. Derp condensed to 140 characters or less. It's like, super ultra concentrated derp.


Add some water and shake.
 
2012-06-28 01:27:00 PM  

whidbey: Honestly, I can't see anyone being upset by this, and if you are, what the hell is wrong with you? Seriously.


BECAUSE AMERICA IS NO LONGER FREE
 
2012-06-28 01:28:06 PM  

muck4doo: Put the derp on me then. :) And her too if you can.


I think we're both well to the back of the line for that, my friend.
 
2012-06-28 01:28:16 PM  

Lando Lincoln: super_grass: This to Cons is what Citizens United was to Libs.

Except that liberals never proposed Citizens United and then cried when it actually came to pass.


Not only that, but this has effects that are AT BEST on the margins and at WORST MIGHT make things a little more expensive. CU fundamentally changed our democracy in provable ways.
 
2012-06-28 01:28:25 PM  

derpdeederp: CPennypacker: derpdeederp: Good for you Libs, glad you got a win.

Personally, I think it morally wrong to take money from one group of people to pay for anothers benefits, so single payer would have been better in my mind. But we get what we get.

Go team, lol.

Cool story bro. I think its morally wrong to let people die or go into life crushing debt because they can't afford medical care.

Morals are funny.

Yes they are. Like how you want other people to pay for this opposed to society as a whole. Guess whatever is easiest on your pocket book. See, projecting is fun!


Oh, I'm all for socialized medicine, but your team won't allow it, so absent that, I side with the whole not letting people die thing.

Also, other people pay for them NOW. That was part of the problem.
 
2012-06-28 01:28:40 PM  

xanadian: Corvus: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 413x310]

"With regards to the mandate, the individual responsibility program which I proposed, I was very pleased to see that the compromise from the two houses includes the personal responsibility principle, that is essential for bringing health care costs down for everyone, and for getting everybody the health insurance they deserve and need. So I was very pleased with that development."

Was this when he was governor, or did he JUST say this?


It's so hard to tell isn't it? You never know what's on the Etch-a-Sketch next.
 
2012-06-28 01:28:44 PM  

whidbey: Honestly, I can't see anyone being upset by this, and if you are, what the hell is wrong with you? Seriously.


Because it's one thing that their arguments lost, it's even worse being that Roberts (a conservative) sided with the majority decision.

As surprised as I was that Kennedy voted against it, it was even more surprising that Roberts actually sided with ACA. Can you imagine had Roberts AND Kennedy decided against the ACA? The right would've been spiking the football all over the place.

Freeperland is having kittens over this...and I'm all for it.

/flashing a trollgrin
 
2012-06-28 01:28:48 PM  
Git yer guns, Nobama's death panels are comin' for granny!
 
2012-06-28 01:28:57 PM  
So many people oppose ObamaCare, but... when asked... they can't actually tell you what the plan consists of.....

They just know to oppose it.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:02 PM  

Joe Blowme: Lets look at al the awsome new and increased taxes in this fil
Taxes that took effect in 2010:

1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

2. Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks "substance" and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113

3. "Black liquor" tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

Taxes that took effect in 2011:

7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

Tax that took effect in 2012:

9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

Taxes that take effect in 2013:

10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93


Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*

2012
15%
15%
35%

2013+
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%



*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:


First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee

Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed



Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for
13. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

14. Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax" ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

Taxes that take effect in 2014:

17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following


1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults

2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285

2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975

2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085



Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS). Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

Taxes that take effect in 2018:

20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956



Read more: http://www.atr.org/tax-hikes-obamacare-scotus-rule-a6996#ixzz1z6D8OUVp


Someone cut and pasted from a Koch Bros. website.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:08 PM  

Weaver95: nyseattitude: Did BillCo and TenpoundsofDerp die of heart attacks when the announcement was made?

they're probably in a meeting to nail down what the talking points are for the weekend. the GOP group mind is moving rather slow today.


This was my first thought of how they reacted
mlizcochico.com

This was my second
www.flicksandbeats.com
 
2012-06-28 01:29:14 PM  

bugontherug: From Tea Party Nation:

Okay, it's time to think about impeaching John Roberts and the liberal members of the Supreme Court. They're only allowed to serve during "good behavior." Ripping the Constitution to shreds for political profit is the opposite of what the Founding Fathers meant by "good behavior." Roberts is now officially the worst Chief Justice in American history, and a traitor to the conservative right.


IMPEACH ROBERTS. IMPEACH HIM NOW.


They do not remember Souter, who turned so hard-left after Bush Sr. appointed him it's like Rush Limbaugh appointing Jane Fonda to the Court.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:18 PM  

Pincy: bhcompy: InmanRoshi: And as a mortal human being you are eventually going to get sick and die, and if you were uninsured those costs would have been covered by the insured.

You were simply gambling (with other people's money) that was going to happen later rather than sooner. I shed no tears for you, and you get no sympathy from me.

Yes, because no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I forget, this is America.

/I'm a healthy male in my 20s and get routine checkups, there is no reason for me to spend the outrageous amounts on health care that this law requires. Bye bye no coverage option, bye bye high deductible HSA.

Because no one in their 20s ever gets cancer or some other horrible disease or has an accident that requires hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital care or gets married and has children.

Christ some people are dumb.


And the cheap high deductible plans that are for catastrophic care(basically) are not allowed under this law. It's called choice. Just because you have cancer and kids doesn't mean I do. Not everyone has a car, not everyone eats meat, not everyone owns property, so why should we take away choice and force people to have all of those things? Last I checked freedom of choice(of many different flavors) was a huge reason why this country came in to existence.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:22 PM  
Romney will fix this. Rich guys from Massachusetts always do well in presidential elections. Just ask Kerry and Dukakis.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:22 PM  

Coco LaFemme: All those Freepers screaming for armed insurrection? I hope they do it. Pick up your rifles, pick up your bayonets, storm the Capitol. Demand Pelosi's head on a pike, then march down to the White House and start firing at the Oval Office windows. Do it, you raging sack of quivering pussies. If this country you once loved oh so much is now a shell of its former self, and the only way to reclaim its glory is through bloodshed, then start shedding some blood, assholes. Come on, be men for once in your pathetic lives. Prove you have the biggest patriot boners in all the land.

If you're unwilling or unable, then please......SHUT THE FARK UP.


You give me a socialist boner.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:25 PM  
guys

you can choose not to have healthcare. all not having it does is subject you to a tax of 1% of your income. for most people this tax will be $500 or less and THOSE people tend to get refunds on taxes large enough that all it does is decrease by $500 or less what you spend on a new flatscreen television or whatever other irresponsible thing you do with your money

and really, thats all implying you don't qualify for a f*cking hardship exemption or are poor enough to be outright put on Medicare anyway

oh, and if you already have health insurance? THIS DOES NOTHING TO YOU.

biggest bunch of crybabies I've ever seen.

oh, and that tax? likely a f*cking PITTANCE in comparison to the f*cking ER bills the motherf*ckers are running up. i mean Jesus, guys. CALM DOWN.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:28 PM  

hasty ambush: The court was our best shot and freedom took it on the chin in favor of being cared for.


Because 40 million uninsured Americans driving up the costs of health care=freedom
 
jvl
2012-06-28 01:29:47 PM  
I don't like HCR, but I love this ruling. Any health care reform needs a "everybody must join" feature in order to work sensibly. Roberts went with the "it's a tax" argument which enabled the mandate without over-enabling the commerce clause. I *heart* Roberts today.
 
2012-06-28 01:29:57 PM  

Phinn: The government can't force me to buy insurance, but they will try to tax me if I don't.

Eh.

For one, the Left has tried to get away from its Tax-and-Spend label ever since Clinton, but now it will have to own it. That's sorta nice.

But more importantly, the federal government is so inept at collecting taxes from people like me, I will NEVER have to actually pay it.

Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.


And thrn you complain about deficit spending.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:27 PM  
BONER IS CRYING NOW.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:27 PM  

xltech: Well, I will be out of a job in the medical field within 2 years... thanks a lot libs. Small rural clinics like mine will be shut down because of the high cost of compliance. We were already worried about the mandidtory Electronic Records implementation to get reimbursement with Medicare/Medicaid. That alone was going to cost us over $50k. We will be closed within 2 years now.


What new regulations are imposed on clinics by the PPACA? AFAIK, pretty much everything in it deals with insurers, not medical practitioners. Including the mandate that was at issue.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:36 PM  
Somewhere out there, a Republican is loading a weapon, preparing to die of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. It's a good day.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:42 PM  
Whatever. Has no effect on me.

/Free healthcare from the VA
//Thanks taxpayers!
 
2012-06-28 01:30:44 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: oh, and if you already have health insurance? THIS DOES NOTHING TO YOU.


No no no, we need to water the tree of liberty or something.

This is the last straw before the revolution shots are fired.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:45 PM  

Coco LaFemme: All those Freepers screaming for armed insurrection? I hope they do it. Pick up your rifles, pick up your bayonets, storm the Capitol. Demand Pelosi's head on a pike, then march down to the White House and start firing at the Oval Office windows. Do it, you raging sack of quivering pussies. If this country you once loved oh so much is now a shell of its former self, and the only way to reclaim its glory is through bloodshed, then start shedding some blood, assholes. Come on, be men for once in your pathetic lives. Prove you have the biggest patriot boners in all the land.

If you're unwilling or unable, then please......SHUT THE FARK UP.


They're banning those particular comments out of Free Republic; don't want to get sued if it actually went down that way.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:51 PM  

Burning_Monk: Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 453x314]

Cleaned up a bit.

[s18.postimage.org image 366x282]


He needs to be holding the bottle of tears in that pic.
 
2012-06-28 01:30:52 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: oh, and that tax? likely a f*cking PITTANCE in comparison to the f*cking ER bills the motherf*ckers are running up. i mean Jesus, guys. CALM DOWN.


THIS. THIS. THIS.

In my city ER's are closing left and right from people who can't afford to pay their bills. People without insurance use them as free clinics.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:02 PM  

Rip Dashrock: What does this mean for healthcare premiums right now? Will they jack them up while they still can or???


They can jack them up, but they are going to be taxed through the corn hole if they don't pay out $0.80 of every dollar collected in premiums for benefits. And executive salaries, advertising, and sales commissions are specifically excluded as "benefit expenses."

What this doesn't fix is hospitals charging $90 for an aspirin. But the hope is now that it's cost prohibitive for insurance companies to collect premiums and pay nothing, and that ~100% of americans will either have insurance or have their expenses to the hospital reimbursed from the non-insured tax penalty, that sense and order will return.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:03 PM  

Aikidogamer: farkerofDOOM: I see your point. But seriously. What is the big deal. I'm still trying to figure out what all the wharrgarbl is about. You either choose to get insurance or you choose to pay the tax. Big whoop.

The point is this:

Taxes usually require some action to become applicable. Mere living is the action now. It sets a dangerous precedent. Also, since it is a tax, jail time is possible (albeit not very probable) if you don't pay your taxes you can go to jail.

There are also some good reasons why a person would not have health insurance. If your net worth is in the millions, and your health is good, it could be a wasted expense (1,000,000 at 4% in a CD would be 40,000 to take care of any medical issues definitely enough to negotiate with a health provider to satisfy their fees in most cases) . A young male (females are a different story with their reproductive issues males do not have) with no health issues, has very little reason to get health coverage. They just as easily could get an injury plan and have their problem paid for for less money than heath insurance. But the mandate is to have health insurance.

/I am not making a case for people to ignore their personal responsibility.
//I am making the case taxing a person for existing is not a good precedent and not all cases require health insurance.


If you can put a million dollars into a CD just for healthcare and you're biatching about a $50 tax for not being insured then you can go fark yourself.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:06 PM  
Well that was quick.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:36 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: I must be the only one not surprised because the precedent was set decades ago. You're required, via the FICA act, to pay a tax that provides for your own (minimal) retirement fund, as well as other programs (Medicare, benefits for the disabled, etc.). This really isn't significantly different from that.


Are Social Security and Medicare run by private for-profit companies? Will the federal government now withhold money from your paycheck to pay for your health insurance? No and no. So you see, these two things are significantly different.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:46 PM  

Buffalo77:
That's not single payer, what you describe was universal healthcare. All people covered by one policy getting the same benefits.

Single payer says Pick plan A, B, C, D etc. Based on what you chose, your premium is x, y or z. Medical facilities are paid based on a negotiated rate or in the case of the federal gov't a dictated rate. Currently around 80% of the cost of the service. Servicing medicaid and medicare is a losing proposition for doctors and hospitals.


But in both of these concepts, single payer and universal healthcare, the government acts as the single buyer of insurance or the healthcare right? The real benefits come from the monopsony power of government acting as the single purchaser of the good.

In the current system, individuals are still required to purchase insurance on their own and dont get the price reduction benefits of being in one giant risk pool. This was my view anyway, thoughts?
 
2012-06-28 01:31:56 PM  

ciberido: draa: "FreeRepublicThursday, June 28, 2012 11:18:24 AM · by max americana · 3 replies
vanity | June 29, 2012 | max
We have a small production office and after today's decision by those putrid traitors on the SC. We will fire our obama-worshiping employee. Hey, it's not my fault. WE CAN'T AFFORD HIM now after the decision. I hope for the worst on those scums on the SC and this POS p-resident. "

Conservatives are such nice people. Don't believe me? Just ask one... and then cockpunch the motherfarker.

Pretty sure that being fired for being "obama-worshiping" is grounds for some kind of lawsuit. Assuming this is something that actually happens and not just "max americana" shotting his mouth off, that post might count as evidence.


Very true.

Especially if he actually does worship Obama; religion is a protected class, after all.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:58 PM  
Just popping in to see if this thread has broken FARK yet.

No...not yet.
 
2012-06-28 01:31:58 PM  
Justice Roberts is obviously not getting re-elected in November after siding with the crony socialist president who put him on the Supreme Court. This is bad news for Roberts.
 
2012-06-28 01:32:09 PM  
FAUX is trying hard hard hard hard to scream TAX TAX TAX as loud as they can.
 
2012-06-28 01:32:12 PM  

bwilson27: BONER IS CRYING NOW.


When isn't he?
 
2012-06-28 01:32:12 PM  
Uh, is it just me or did Boehner and Cantor just punt?
 
2012-06-28 01:32:30 PM  

bhcompy: Last I checked freedom of choice(of many different flavors) was a huge reason why this country came in to existence.


Except for blacks. And Chinese. And Irish. And Women.
 
2012-06-28 01:32:45 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Jackpot777: Sorry if this is a repost...

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 400x300]

Oh hell, you should read some of the shiat on Twitter about it. Derp condensed to 140 characters or less. It's like, super ultra concentrated derp.


Hmmmmmm speaking of which: should check in with some of my more conservative brahs. Their kittens must be having kittens. :)
 
2012-06-28 01:32:59 PM  
i.ytimg.com

Think I'll just leave this here...

//Very happy today
 
2012-06-28 01:33:16 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: muck4doo: Put the derp on me then. :) And her too if you can.

I think we're both well to the back of the line for that, my friend.


I can spare an hour wait.
 
2012-06-28 01:33:24 PM  

LoneWolf343: Idiot. The right to life and the right to maintain said life are two different things?


There is no right to maintain your life. If I lose my job and cannot achieve the same level of income there is no right that I should be able to keep my Corvette, my McMansion, and eat prime steaks even though I can't afford to maintain it, because that would be maintaining. Right to life is the right to forge your own destiny, not a right to free healthcare.
 
2012-06-28 01:33:24 PM  

bhcompy: Pincy: bhcompy: InmanRoshi: And as a mortal human being you are eventually going to get sick and die, and if you were uninsured those costs would have been covered by the insured.

You were simply gambling (with other people's money) that was going to happen later rather than sooner. I shed no tears for you, and you get no sympathy from me.

Yes, because no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I forget, this is America.

/I'm a healthy male in my 20s and get routine checkups, there is no reason for me to spend the outrageous amounts on health care that this law requires. Bye bye no coverage option, bye bye high deductible HSA.

Because no one in their 20s ever gets cancer or some other horrible disease or has an accident that requires hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital care or gets married and has children.

Christ some people are dumb.

And the cheap high deductible plans that are for catastrophic care(basically) are not allowed under this law. It's called choice. Just because you have cancer and kids doesn't mean I do. Not everyone has a car, not everyone eats meat, not everyone owns property, so why should we take away choice and force people to have all of those things? Last I checked freedom of choice(of many different flavors) was a huge reason why this country came in to existence.


The problem is that people's "choice" to go uninsured was, in many cases, not a "choice" at all, but a necessity dictated by their financial situation. Additionally - and this is the part a lot of people seem to miss - the "choice" to go uninsured was actually a "choice" to have everyone else pay for your emergency room visits (yes yes, you're not sick now, congratulations, that doesn't hold for everyone, and won't hold for you forever).

What you really want is the "choice" to avoid your responsibility and the "choice" to saddle the rest of us with the cost.
 
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