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kpaxoid		2012-06-28 12:53:03 PM

major_accuracy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]

Perfect.

missiv		2012-06-28 12:53:03 PM

bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?

He was high that day. He'll blame the blackmarket Hillary panties he had on his face before the telecast.

HeartBurnKid		2012-06-28 12:53:12 PM

L82DPRT: Solidifies the FAILED status quo.

I love that a law that hasn't even fully taken effect yet is now the "FAILED status quo".

SuperNinjaToad		2012-06-28 12:53:15 PM

Klippoklondike: ha-ha-guy: someonelse: The Romney campaign has vastly overestimated the number of Americans who consider having health care insurance to be an attack on their freedom. They're about to find this out.

Wasn't Romneycare one the more popular pieces of Romney's legacy in Mass? Now they're basically attacking it on a national scale. All that seems to do is make the red states more red, and the swings go "Oh fark no".

I don't like Obamacare for the the simple fact that I must have health insurance. I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS rather than forcing everyone into using a middleman (insurance). However, I can't stand Romney and his lies about what this does. He insinuates people won't have a choice over what insurance they'll get (they will have a choice) and insinuates it is bankrupting medicare (this basically replaces it, that's why it takes money away from it). Of course this is hilarious considering he passed something nearly identical in Massachusetts. I do like that this bill forces insurance companies to be somewhat responsible by making them use all that premium money to actually pay for medication and procedures. That is a good thing. I just don't want to be forced to have health insurance.

In short, this bill is stupid and Romney is just using it as political ammunation. The end.

while your notion wjile noble and commended is a fallacy for the simple reason that not everyone is independently rich, honest and can pay out of pocket for medical expenses therefore it just isn;t going to work.

Sure not forcing people to have heath care is freedom in it;s absolute finest BUT in reality honor and altruisitic intentions doesn't hold a candle to when someone is very sick and he needs to get some really $$$$ surgery and he makes $50K

SurelyShirley		2012-06-28 12:53:21 PM

SphericalTime: Awwww. I was hoping for single payer during my lifetime.

Now that the SCOTUS had opened the gates for a Soviet invasion, it may come sooner than you can say "боже мой"

SouthernFriedYankee		2012-06-28 12:53:33 PM

The end zone dancing is very much misplaced. The powerful will avoid shouldering any additional burden, while the powerless will not be able to do so. It's probably good news for welfare riders, but for the working poor it's going to be a disaster, economically. So much for hiring picking up. So much for economic recovery.

But hey, your team won, right? And that's all that matters.

Congrats.

Weaver95		2012-06-28 12:53:34 PM

Phinn: Weaver95: Phinn: The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.

Those things were built with slavery, actually.

By your logic, slavery works, too.

actually, yes - slavery DOES work. But you have to actually want to keep the bulk of your slaves alive and in working condition otherwise it falls apart.

Thanks for explaining the rationale behind Obamacare. Healthy slaves. Got it.

actually, that's the current business plan that keeps corporate offshoring/outsorcing alive.

CPennypacker		2012-06-28 12:53:41 PM

asmodeus224: vegasj: Theres a shocker.

Healthcare stocks are up... market is crashing.

WTG Obammy... nice one to fark up this country

crashing...yea, sorry, what was the DJIA as of December 2008? 7000? What is it today? 12000? It is down what, 100 points today?

Please go on with your butthurt

100 points is called normal market fluctuation Market is barely down 1%

xanadian		2012-06-28 12:53:52 PM

xanadian: *saunters into thread*

[narwhaler.com image 469x453]

Problem, GOP?

I can only begin to imagine the conservative butthurt today...

Of course, what blows my mind is that it was ROBERTS who was the swing vote.

Oreamnos		2012-06-28 12:53:54 PM

I would never imply that I really fully understand this bill/law/whatever and all of its ramifications. I'm generally left-leaning but I'm not sure I think requiring insurance or else facing a penalty is a good and just thing. But I do believe that our so-called "system" for health care and payment as-is is a huge clusterfark, and so some change, even bad, is needed. If it gets worse, at some point it will actually get better. It will take too long for a lot of people, but I believe this.

CPennypacker		2012-06-28 12:54:39 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: The end zone dancing is very much misplaced. The powerful will avoid shouldering any additional burden, while the powerless will not be able to do so. It's probably good news for welfare riders, but for the working poor it's going to be a disaster, economically. So much for hiring picking up. So much for economic recovery.

But hey, your team won, right? And that's all that matters.

Congrats.

Sounds like your team lost.

The_Original_Roxtar		2012-06-28 12:54:52 PM

valar_morghulis: To all who opposed Obamacare: how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history yet again?

can I borrow your time machine?
/unintended consequences not yet known and all that.
//"wrong side of history" is yet to be determined.

ha-ha-guy		2012-06-28 12:54:59 PM

coeyagi: muck4doo: I'll say it. As a Conservative, yes, I'm not happy with this, but it isn't the worst news in the world. I hope this plan works now that it has been given the okay.

Thank you. I hope it does too. It's called compromise by all parties to make it better, not throwing it out or shooting it down because a certain black man was in office. Because that's what it has looked like to me. I mean, it was the GOP's plan, and they were butthurt because Obama decided to gun for it. But that's in the past, I really do hope everyone just gets down to making shiat work.

I'm right of center, all the butthurt pisses me off as well. Healthcare costs are a problem. We spent a big chunk of the GDP and don't get a lot in return relative to other countries. In fact it used to be the right recognized this when the Heritage Institute developed a replacement concept for our current system, a decent chunk of which ended up in the ACA.

The ACA is Round 1. You're not getting full healthcare reform through Congress in one go. It's too partisan and too many special interests. The ACA will be updated, amended, and adjusted at later dates. What the Republicans should be doing is agreeing that healthcare is not correct in its proper form, while also suggesting areas that the ACA is lacking, improperly structured, etc. Be proactive in providing a solution, as opposed to dragging the knuckles and demanding it be repealed.

Healthcare reform is happening, there are too many horror stories of pre-existing condition denials, too much money is spent for too little. Embrace it and contribute to it. Otherwise the moderates are just going to get pissed and ram whatever the Dems want down your throat. Refusal to change is not an option.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass		2012-06-28 12:55:02 PM

barneyfifesbullet: Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....

This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.

You're saying this is, what, bad news? For who again?

I think Obama might still be able to get a few Citizens United on the SCOTUS issue.

Summer Glau's Love Slave		2012-06-28 12:55:05 PM

Ah, ha, ha, ha,
Stayin' alive.
Stayin' alive.

Ah, ha, ha, ha,
Stayin' alive.

/Roberts voted for this?!?
//Oh, HAYELL YES!!!
///One needs scientific notation to calculate the republican butthurt.

colon_pow		2012-06-28 12:55:10 PM

d3sertion: colon_pow: i can't argue with robert's reasoning, but he should have kicked it back to congress and make them pass it as a tax.

or try to...

There's nothing in the Constitution requiring Congress to cite which part of the Constitution they're using to pass a law. Although sometimes bills will throw a jurisdictional hook in there, failing to do so has never been grounds for overturning a law -- the vast majority of legislation makes no reference to the Constitution for authority. If it was passed it was passed. Nothing about the language of the bill would change to "pass it as a tax."

when it was up for the vote, it was not defined as a tax. this whole thing is history's largest bait-and-switch.

GhostFish		2012-06-28 12:55:24 PM

Weaver95: barneyfifesbullet: Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....

This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.

incidentally - this is a direct Limbaugh quote. expect to see this talking point repeated a lot over the next several days.

That explains the mind-boggling stupidity of it.

Oh yeah, people are totally going to stop worrying about the appointees of a Romney Presidency. Riiight...

Weaver95		2012-06-28 12:55:24 PM

I think the limbaugh talking points are condensed as follows:

1. this is bad news...for Obama.
2. 'biggest tax increase in the history of the world."
3. 'Obama lied.'
4. taxes. taxes. taxes.
5. Obama will force the states to comply.

ThrobblefootSpectre		2012-06-28 12:55:26 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."

It's no secret it was based on Romneycare.

xanadian		2012-06-28 12:55:38 PM

Rev.K: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE LET THERE BE A

"HITLER FINDS OUT OBAMACARE IS CONSTITUTIONAL"!!

I second this motion.

jevanpe5		2012-06-28 12:55:57 PM

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

Yes, he has taken away our right to die from treatable ailments. The horror. The horror.

The point is; "PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIAT..."

People_are_Idiots		2012-06-28 12:55:58 PM

valar_morghulis: To all who opposed Obamacare: how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history yet again?

How does it feel to know that now the Right-wing will be just as energized as it was in 2010, when the Repubs took the House back over?

DarnoKonrad		2012-06-28 12:55:59 PM

Oreamnos: I would never imply that I really fully understand this bill/law/whatever and all of its ramifications. I'm generally left-leaning but I'm not sure I think requiring insurance or else facing a penalty is a good and just thing. But I do believe that our so-called "system" for health care and payment as-is is a huge clusterfark, and so some change, even bad, is needed. If it gets worse, at some point it will actually get better. It will take too long for a lot of people, but I believe this.

Do you rent? You pay more in taxes than a similar person who owns. In effect, the tax code penalizes you for having an apartment. They will also pay you to reproduce. The tax code is filled with this stuff.

Herbie555		2012-06-28 12:56:17 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh is back to taking callers and i'm getting kinda hungry. so I'm done with Rush for the day. everything after the first hour is repetition anyways.

I respect you for being able to "take one for the team". Couldn't listen to that fat fark for five minutes without my head starting to hurt.

Brother_Mouzone		2012-06-28 12:56:17 PM

I was discussing the ruling by Roberts with my father who is a retired magistrate judge (CSB) and he thinks and I agree that he voted this way to save his legacy, because he knows how farked up the citizens united decision was. My dad said that Roberts really reached to find a reason to uphold this law, at least for a conservative leaning justice.

L82DPRT		2012-06-28 12:56:21 PM

L82DPRT: More of the !% saddling the next 48.5% with carrying the bottom 48.5%.

Whar the other 2%? Whar?

Rwa2play		2012-06-28 12:56:27 PM

Posh Naranek: I just came here to say, 1571 comments. Holy shee ot.

The size of said thread has been due in part to the butthurt emanating from the usual suspects.

OlderGuy		2012-06-28 12:56:42 PM

Bend over and grab the knees... we are gonna get bfarked.. and BYOL...

Brandyelf		2012-06-28 12:56:44 PM

Freepervillle is trying to spike the online poll at WCBV in Boston (about halfway down the page on the left).

Show them we can do better, Fark.

My VCOM (Very Conservative Office Mate) is flipping over today's decision. I asked him if he hated the freedom of insuring his kids (he has a lot) until they're 26. He said of course not. I asked him if my daughter, who has a pre-existing condition (asthma) should be denied insurance when she becomes independent because of that. He said of course not. I then asked what he objected to, and he told me we were all going to lose our insurance and be forced to buy government insurance and we wouldn't be allowed to see our own doctors anymore, but would instead have to go to whomever the government tells us to. Plus we would have to pay thousands more every year to pay for insurance for illegal immigrants.

This is how people "think".

Nina_Hartley's_Ass		2012-06-28 12:57:00 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh is back to taking callers and i'm getting kinda hungry. so I'm done with Rush for the day. everything after the first hour is repetition anyways.

Thanks for taking the bullet for the team. I don't know how you stand it.

Xanlexian		2012-06-28 12:57:04 PM

Yay!! This means Obama is going to pay my mortgage and put gas in my car!!

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears		2012-06-28 12:57:10 PM

mr lawson		2012-06-28 12:57:16 PM

mrshowrules: /then find out it is about 50% cheaper actually

it won't happen. There is a provision in the bill that states 80% (maybe 85%?) of premiums have to go toward providing care. The problem is it is a "percentage". The hospitals will jack up their prices and the insurance comps will jack up their premiums to compensate.

ZoSo_the_Crowe		2012-06-28 12:57:22 PM

Anyone know what the numbers are in relation to how you prove a financial hardship to become exempt from the penalties? $695 minimum penalty in 2016... that's a lot of money for some people.

ourbigdumbmouth		2012-06-28 12:57:27 PM

Well, atleast this will curb the price of Healthcare.

Phinn		2012-06-28 12:57:31 PM

Anti_illuminati: So if you chose not to have health insurance, you get hit by a truck and rack up medical costs you cannot afford, who pays for that? We do. Those that currently have health insurance. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.

No one should be forced to pay for anyone else's goods and services.

But now that we all have skin in the game, what happens when you get fat and incur lots of medical costs? Who pays for that? We do.

So, when do we get a fat tax? A lazy tax? An exercise-or-pay-up tax? Why should the expenses of healthy people be higher just because some people want to smoke and play video games and eat Cheetos all day long watching Judge Judy?

GhostFish		2012-06-28 12:57:52 PM

colon_pow: d3sertion: colon_pow: i can't argue with robert's reasoning, but he should have kicked it back to congress and make them pass it as a tax.

or try to...

There's nothing in the Constitution requiring Congress to cite which part of the Constitution they're using to pass a law. Although sometimes bills will throw a jurisdictional hook in there, failing to do so has never been grounds for overturning a law -- the vast majority of legislation makes no reference to the Constitution for authority. If it was passed it was passed. Nothing about the language of the bill would change to "pass it as a tax."

when it was up for the vote, it was not defined as a tax. this whole thing is history's largest bait-and-switch.

Don't play dumb. I know that's your shtick, but in this particular case it's just not believable.

bugontherug		2012-06-28 12:57:59 PM

Weaver95: actually, yes - slavery DOES work. But you have to actually want to keep the bulk of your slaves alive and in working condition otherwise it falls apart.

Abrogating the need to provide the equivalent of a living wage to your workers is one of the chief benefits of capitalism, from capital's perspective. Slaveholders and feudal lords have an economic interest in ensuring the basic needs of their workers are met. Capitalists have no such interest, since they've no property interest in their workers, and low wage workers are fungible.

qorkfiend		2012-06-28 12:58:23 PM

Brandyelf: Freepervillle is trying to spike the online poll at WCBV in Boston (about halfway down the page on the left).

Show them we can do better, Fark.

My VCOM (Very Conservative Office Mate) is flipping over today's decision. I asked him if he hated the freedom of insuring his kids (he has a lot) until they're 26. He said of course not. I asked him if my daughter, who has a pre-existing condition (asthma) should be denied insurance when she becomes independent because of that. He said of course not. I then asked what he objected to, and he told me we were all going to lose our insurance and be forced to buy government insurance and we wouldn't be allowed to see our own doctors anymore, but would instead have to go to whomever the government tells us to. Plus we would have to pay thousands more every year to pay for insurance for illegal immigrants.

This is how people "think".

Appropriate:

Weaver95		2012-06-28 12:58:36 PM

Herbie555: Weaver95: Limbaugh is back to taking callers and i'm getting kinda hungry. so I'm done with Rush for the day. everything after the first hour is repetition anyways.

I respect you for being able to "take one for the team". Couldn't listen to that fat fark for five minutes without my head starting to hurt.

Limbaugh started off angry. it wasn't until around 12:30 that he started to calm down and ease into his established talking points. something about Obama really puts Rush LImbaugh on edge. Limbaugh loses his cool every time Obama is on TV giving a speech.

Burning_Monk		2012-06-28 12:58:41 PM

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 453x314]

Cleaned up a bit.

s18.postimage.org

Magnanimous_J		2012-06-28 12:58:44 PM

Not a bookmark, just need to participate in this thread.

WHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

LiberalEastCoastElitist		2012-06-28 12:59:12 PM

I wasted tens of minutes reading that whole boring article on Kennedy in Time magazine for this? Come to think of it, they painted him as a coin flipper type.

The three good things Bush has done:
1. HIV/AIDS funding for Africa
2. Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument
3. Roberts?!

Rwa2play		2012-06-28 12:59:23 PM

xanadian: *saunters into thread*

[narwhaler.com image 469x453]

Problem, GOP?

I can only begin to imagine the conservative butthurt today...

Believe me, it's bigger than you can imagine

/moar trollface

Chameleon		2012-06-28 12:59:37 PM

mrshowrules		2012-06-28 12:59:39 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.

Arizona is my bet. No one will try and stop them either. My in-laws have a house there (Canadian) but one hassles them because they aren't brown.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears		2012-06-28 12:59:55 PM

Phinn: So, when do we get a fat tax? A lazy tax? An exercise-or-pay-up tax?

Do you actually see that tax passing in the United States of America? It was a huge fight just to pass this particular tax, which the country actually needs if we're going to keep on with the farce that private health insurance is necessary.

Coco LaFemme		2012-06-28 01:00:02 PM

super_grass: This to Cons is what Citizens United was to Libs.

And we'll see plenty of partisan butthurt and attempts to repeal it in the future.

No, no, the two things are not even remotely similar.

IamKaiserSoze!!!		2012-06-28 01:00:10 PM

SurelyShirley: Blues_X: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

Obama killed my father, shot my dog, and stole my bible.

...but did he leave you your gun?

I'm guessing Holder is already driving it to Juarez

Lsherm		2012-06-28 01:00:27 PM

meat0918: Lsherm: meat0918: There is no jail time associated with this. I think it's explicitly not allowed. They'll adjust your refund instead.

Just a note: not everyone gets refunds. And talk to Wesley Snipes about jail time for not paying taxes.

Correct, but there is still no jail time attached.

And with all the credits, those "poor and middle class that pay no taxes and get refunds all the time" are the very people that will have refunds adjusted.

I suppose one could spin it that less of a refund equals a tax hike, but Republicans have been repeating the mantra of "skin in the game" for a long time now.

This gets more "skin in the game" from the very people they want to pay more.

Congratz GOP!

Well, even though I support the health care bill, "less of a refund" equals a tax hike because absent a refund, it's still a tax hike. It doesn't disappear if you don't get a refund. I'm still wondering where you are getting the assumption that most people get refunds at the end of the year. If you're always getting a refund, you've done something wrong on your W-4.

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