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2012-06-28 12:47:44 PM  
Limbaugh: disaster of a law, country is in a dangerous place, appeal to emotion. thread, uravelling, center cannot hold. november, november. constitution, appeal to authority. barely holding it together. appeal to emotion. 'we the people', it's up to us. waves flag, another appeal to emotion. heavy breathing.
 
2012-06-28 12:47:46 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The country was already pretty messed up. That's why I always throw my cigarette butts out the window.


Dick. I hate people that do that.
 
2012-06-28 12:47:48 PM  

LoneWolf343: Idiot. The right to life and the right to maintain said life are two different things?


Haven't you noticed that?

Republicans care about fetuses, but once you're out, you're on your own.

Carlin, angry as he was in later life was right "They want live babies so they can have dead soldiers".
 
2012-06-28 12:47:57 PM  
To all those born-again, conservative, religious nut-job, anti-abortion foes:

How's that stuffing the SCOTUS with Catholics working out for you? You might have remembered Catholics have produced some of the greatest thinkers in the history of man, educated through the Jesuits.

Yes, Roberts faces excommunication if the Pope disagrees with his decisions. But today demonstrates he can reason and not just point the finger of hatred towards people he is told to hate.

I guess you Republicans didn't think your cunning Catholicizing the SCOTUS plan through. Only Ron Paul was smart enough to figure out how to get abortion banned. You do it by removing federal court review over abortion laws at all levels of government. The last thing you need is an intelligent, decent judge like Roberts to actually interpret laws concerning an individual's rights fairly and correctly.
 
2012-06-28 12:47:59 PM  
The official ruling, as I understand it, is that it's constitutional only as a tax on people who don't buy health care, rather than a mandate that they must buy health care. I'm not sure what, if any, difference that makes, just saying.
 
2012-06-28 12:48:06 PM  

Boxcutta: "Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be 'constitutional' does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right," - Sen. Rand Paul

Simply stunning.


Yeah, I may not be up on my Constitutional Law, but when I studied these sorts of things 20 years ago, I was pretty sure that when the Supreme Court declares something Constitutional, that means it's pretty farking Constitutional.

If the meaning of "Constitutional" has changed in the past 20 years, I apologize.
 
2012-06-28 12:48:13 PM  
*saunters into thread*

narwhaler.com

Problem, GOP?

I can only begin to imagine the conservative butthurt today...
 
2012-06-28 12:48:14 PM  

Actor_au: The Larch: Actor_

You're kidding right? Half a million dollars for a head injury? I can't imagine my parents paying that. They just retired and their life savings are around that much. A lifetime of saving to pay for one accident... thats just wrong on every level.

/Parents had insurance anyway but the public hospital had a better head injury unit than the private one.


No joke. A week in the ICU alone would likely leave you with over $100k hospital bill. Add in six weeks of brain trauma care and you'll be paying the rest of your life.

Don't worry, though! Your parents may not have needed to pay that much. After all, it's highly possible that your insurance wouldn't cover the brain injury, which means that your parents wouldn't have had the money to even get him in the door of the clinic in the first place.

/I spent two days in the hospital for pneumonia last year. No ICU, no surgery, just an ER visit, a room, and IV antibiotics. My bill was over $6000 for just those two days.
 
2012-06-28 12:48:15 PM  
Have all the "Imma gonna go shoot teh govemet up" types left yet?
 
2012-06-28 12:48:22 PM  

riverwalk barfly: what a bunch of cocksuckurs. - "activist judges" wait.... they are only activist if they have decisions against me. and here they go.....


Wow so the activist judges thing has officially come full circle then?
 
2012-06-28 12:48:26 PM  

Spaz-master: badLogic: "The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."
-Rand Paul

I think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.

Yeah,
you do
Judicial review didn't come about until 1804


Judicial review of federal laws did not come around until Marbury. Judicial review existed in state courts here before then, and in England (form where we imported the common law) before 1804 and before the Constitution.
 
2012-06-28 12:48:40 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Where is Ball Sack? He was in the other thread this morning, spiking the football before he'd crossed the goal line. Weird that he wouldn't be here to enjoy his moment of triumph... HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA


BALL SACK + EPIC FAIL = NEW ALT
 
2012-06-28 12:48:46 PM  

HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it


So Obama broke his no taxes on those who make under 250k. The way Roberts got around the apportionment clause of constitutional taxation makes no sense whatsoever.
 
2012-06-28 12:48:57 PM  

Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )


Fap!

/What, I love popcorn!
//And the delivery
 
2012-06-28 12:48:58 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Obama said it wasn't a tax.

The Supreme Court says he lied.


Oh, so you're putting pickles on your shiat salad and trying to convince us that it's delicious.
 
2012-06-28 12:49:06 PM  
img521.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-28 12:49:18 PM  

The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.


Those things were built with slavery, actually.

By your logic, slavery works, too.
 
2012-06-28 12:49:26 PM  

Buffalo77: Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.

I see many of the posts on this thread talking about how this is a preferable method for paying for healthcare.

Isn't this similar to the prescription drug benefit passed by congress under Bush.

You pick and pay for what ever kind of insurance you want and the services are paid for by a single payer, usually the government.

Single payer is not universal healthcare.

Given most healthcare institutions survive based on people who pay their own way or negotiated rates with private insurance which are above cost, how would single payer allow hospitals to survive?




Well, look at Medicare.
95% of all monies that go into Medicare go towards paying healthcosts compared to health insurance which is just reaching 80% of the same (and only then because of the ACA).
It would also help hospitals and doctor's know exactly what's covered and for how much. Right now medical billing is so complex because there are hundreds of different insurance companies and policies and they all have their own way of doing things. What works under one plan doesn't work under another.

Hospital costs are often so high because so many people simply don't pay the total bill or at all. When you get a bill saying you owe $200,000, most hospitals will end up getting about 40% of that from your insurance. However that rate varies between insurances and people without it are stuck with the entire bill. Having one system would allow that single payer health insurance to get that rate down to a standard amount and hospitals would not have to worry about people unable to pay.
 
2012-06-28 12:49:33 PM  

Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.


So you pay for your police/fire/EMS service yourself, along with your power supplies, highways and other infrastructure? No? Then STFU. It's called society and yes, society has to provide for some things that individuals cannot afford themselves.

/deal with it
 
2012-06-28 12:49:35 PM  

zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes


See? It's working already. Wait times at the local ER used to be 4-5 hours.
 
2012-06-28 12:49:47 PM  

mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it


If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free.

/then find out it is about 50% cheaper actually
 
2012-06-28 12:49:58 PM  

meat0918: LoneWolf343: Idiot. The right to life and the right to maintain said life are two different things?

Haven't you noticed that?

Republicans care about fetuses, but once you're out, you're on your own.

Carlin, angry as he was in later life was right "They want live babies so they can have dead soldiers".


Later Carlin (after 1988 or so) was more angry philosopher with some jokes thrown in than the guy he was in the early days that pointed out foibles and universal truths and odd shiat.

He was still worth listening to, though, all the way up to his final album.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:01 PM  

mrshowrules: Free-market works well for some things and bad for others. It has to with something having an inelastic demand. If people claiming to understand "free market" principles, they should actually understand this.


sadly...most don't.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:02 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: To all those born-again, conservative, religious nut-job, anti-abortion foes:

How's that stuffing the SCOTUS with Catholics working out for you? You might have remembered Catholics have produced some of the greatest thinkers in the history of man, educated through the Jesuits.

Yes, Roberts faces excommunication if the Pope disagrees with his decisions. But today demonstrates he can reason and not just point the finger of hatred towards people he is told to hate.

I guess you Republicans didn't think your cunning Catholicizing the SCOTUS plan through. Only Ron Paul was smart enough to figure out how to get abortion banned. You do it by removing federal court review over abortion laws at all levels of government. The last thing you need is an intelligent, decent judge like Roberts to actually interpret laws concerning an individual's rights fairly and correctly.


7/10. A little ham-fisted, but OK.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:06 PM  
Ginsburg proved once again to be the most incompetent judge on the panel, and most blindly partisan. Weird fark libs never attack old ginny
 
2012-06-28 12:50:11 PM  

bugontherug: Klippoklondike: I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS

What do you have in mind for addressing health care costs?


I say put a cap on the price of procedures and medication, though I know this will never happen. It if it did happen (it never will) Big pharma would still make a profit, just not a ridiculously huge profit.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:13 PM  
Well, it looks like the great American experiment in negative liberty is over.

I feel sorry for you lot.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:14 PM  

Bucky Katt: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: John Roberts siding with the left wing of the court... MY GOD! THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!

That's the suprising part. He also voted against Arizona's immigration law. Is Roberts starting to turn into a moderate?


He will turn whichever way he is paid to turn.
/only win is to not pay
 
2012-06-28 12:50:15 PM  

MyRandomName: The way Roberts got around the apportionment clause of constitutional taxation makes no sense whatsoever.


You mean the 16th amendment?
 
2012-06-28 12:50:20 PM  

Phinn: The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.

Those things were built with slavery, actually.

By your logic, slavery works, too.


actually, yes - slavery DOES work. But you have to actually want to keep the bulk of your slaves alive and in working condition otherwise it falls apart.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:25 PM  

ignacio: The official ruling, as I understand it, is that it's constitutional only as a tax on people who don't buy health care, rather than a mandate that they must buy health care. I'm not sure what, if any, difference that makes, just saying.


None whatsoever. That's all it was in the first place.
 
2012-06-28 12:50:28 PM  
Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....

This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:10 PM  

Blues_X: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

Obama killed my father, shot my dog, and stole my bible.


...but did he leave you your gun?
 
2012-06-28 12:51:23 PM  
Solidifies the FAILED status quo.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:25 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....

This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.


incidentally - this is a direct Limbaugh quote. expect to see this talking point repeated a lot over the next several days.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:32 PM  

MyRandomName: Ginsburg proved once again to be the most incompetent judge on the panel, and most blindly partisan. Weird fark libs never attack old ginny


0/10. Try, at least. Jeez.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:44 PM  
Penis
 
2012-06-28 12:51:46 PM  

Klippoklondike: bugontherug: Klippoklondike: I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS

What do you have in mind for addressing health care costs?

I say put a cap on the price of procedures and medication, though I know this will never happen. It if it did happen (it never will) Big pharma would still make a profit, just not a ridiculously huge profit.


Just ask Rick Scott.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:57 PM  
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-28 12:52:09 PM  

vegasj: Theres a shocker.

Healthcare stocks are up... market is crashing.

WTG Obammy... nice one to fark up this country


crashing...yea, sorry, what was the DJIA as of December 2008? 7000? What is it today? 12000? It is down what, 100 points today?

Please go on with your butthurt
 
2012-06-28 12:52:19 PM  

Phinn: Anti_illuminati: someonelse: Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.

Wtf are you talking about?

Apparently he doesn't own any credit cards or has a loan of any kind - nor does he think the rest of the country does too.

You no make-ah sense.

It's just a proposal. Let's have a general rule of life that says that you don't make me pay for the stuff you want to have, and I won't make you pay for the stuff I want to have.

You're not in favor of being an institutionalized moocher, are you? You're not seriously going to congratulate yourself for being moral and high-minded because of your generosity with other people's money?


So if you chose not to have health insurance, you get hit by a truck and rack up medical costs you cannot afford, who pays for that? We do. Those that currently have health insurance. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.

And get out of here with that institutionalized-moocher crap. It's a red herring and you know it.
 
2012-06-28 12:52:20 PM  

Weaver95: Phinn: The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.

Those things were built with slavery, actually.

By your logic, slavery works, too.

actually, yes - slavery DOES work. But you have to actually want to keep the bulk of your slaves alive and in working condition otherwise it falls apart.


Thanks for explaining the rationale behind Obamacare. Healthy slaves. Got it.
 
2012-06-28 12:52:21 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: It's easy to sum up the Republican reaction to this...

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/I say "Republican" because you don't have to be a Republican to be conservative. Just because the Republicans have turned "conservative" into a dirty word doesn't mean that some conservative beliefs aren't correct.
//you don't always have to vote lockstep with your team. Politics isn't a team sport!


imageshack.us
 
2012-06-28 12:52:22 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: IXI Jim IXI: The_Sponge: True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.

so if you're a broad making under $250k, WATCH OUT!

How many times have they told you, you don't call chicks "broads".

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Lulz.
 
2012-06-28 12:52:23 PM  

vpb: Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.


They can't do 2/3rds of that stuff, but they can impose what's called a "tariff" on foreign goods. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?
 
2012-06-28 12:52:27 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....

This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.


Whatever helps you get through what obviously will be a very tough day for you.
 
2012-06-28 12:52:33 PM  
Chew on that, Resucklicans. USA! USA!
 
2012-06-28 12:52:33 PM  
Limbaugh is back to taking callers and i'm getting kinda hungry. so I'm done with Rush for the day. everything after the first hour is repetition anyways.
 
2012-06-28 12:52:56 PM  
Remember when society collapsed and the world burned to the ground after Medicare was enacted?

Yeah, me too.
 
2012-06-28 12:53:01 PM  

Klippoklondike: I say put a cap on the price of procedures and medication, though I know this will never happen. It if it did happen (it never will) Big pharma would still make a profit, just not a ridiculously huge profit.


Capping med prices is plausible, if done properly. I don't know how you could rationally cap the cost of a procedure, because it seems to me there are too many variables.
 
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