Boxcutta: "Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be 'constitutional' does not make it so. The whole thing remains unconstitutional. While the court may have erroneously come to the conclusion that the law is allowable, it certainly does nothing to make this mandate or government takeover of our health care right," - Sen. Rand PaulSimply stunning.
Actor_au: The Larch: Actor_You're kidding right? Half a million dollars for a head injury? I can't imagine my parents paying that. They just retired and their life savings are around that much. A lifetime of saving to pay for one accident... thats just wrong on every level./Parents had insurance anyway but the public hospital had a better head injury unit than the private one.
riverwalk barfly: what a bunch of cocksuckurs. - "activist judges" wait.... they are only activist if they have decisions against me. and here they go.....
Spaz-master: badLogic: "The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."-Rand PaulI think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.Yeah,you doJudicial review didn't come about until 1804
shower_in_my_socks: Where is Ball Sack? He was in the other thread this morning, spiking the football before he'd crossed the goal line. Weird that he wouldn't be here to enjoy his moment of triumph... HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA
HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it
Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]Here.I made enough for everyone.: )
barneyfifesbullet: Obama said it wasn't a tax.The Supreme Court says he lied.
The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.
Buffalo77: Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.I see many of the posts on this thread talking about how this is a preferable method for paying for healthcare.Isn't this similar to the prescription drug benefit passed by congress under Bush.You pick and pay for what ever kind of insurance you want and the services are paid for by a single payer, usually the government.Single payer is not universal healthcare.Given most healthcare institutions survive based on people who pay their own way or negotiated rates with private insurance which are above cost, how would single payer allow hospitals to survive?
Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.
zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?Yes
mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it
meat0918: LoneWolf343: Idiot. The right to life and the right to maintain said life are two different things?Haven't you noticed that?Republicans care about fetuses, but once you're out, you're on your own.Carlin, angry as he was in later life was right "They want live babies so they can have dead soldiers".
mrshowrules: Free-market works well for some things and bad for others. It has to with something having an inelastic demand. If people claiming to understand "free market" principles, they should actually understand this.
Boudica's War Tampon: To all those born-again, conservative, religious nut-job, anti-abortion foes:How's that stuffing the SCOTUS with Catholics working out for you? You might have remembered Catholics have produced some of the greatest thinkers in the history of man, educated through the Jesuits.Yes, Roberts faces excommunication if the Pope disagrees with his decisions. But today demonstrates he can reason and not just point the finger of hatred towards people he is told to hate.I guess you Republicans didn't think your cunning Catholicizing the SCOTUS plan through. Only Ron Paul was smart enough to figure out how to get abortion banned. You do it by removing federal court review over abortion laws at all levels of government. The last thing you need is an intelligent, decent judge like Roberts to actually interpret laws concerning an individual's rights fairly and correctly.
bugontherug: Klippoklondike: I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTSWhat do you have in mind for addressing health care costs?
Bucky Katt: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: John Roberts siding with the left wing of the court... MY GOD! THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!That's the suprising part. He also voted against Arizona's immigration law. Is Roberts starting to turn into a moderate?
MyRandomName: The way Roberts got around the apportionment clause of constitutional taxation makes no sense whatsoever.
Phinn: The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.Those things were built with slavery, actually.By your logic, slavery works, too.
ignacio: The official ruling, as I understand it, is that it's constitutional only as a tax on people who don't buy health care, rather than a mandate that they must buy health care. I'm not sure what, if any, difference that makes, just saying.
Blues_X: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.Obama killed my father, shot my dog, and stole my bible.
barneyfifesbullet: Yet another way this decision screws Obama.....This decision totally removes the liberal talking point that everyone must vote for Obama because of judges. The Supreme Court as a November issue is totally gone.
MyRandomName: Ginsburg proved once again to be the most incompetent judge on the panel, and most blindly partisan. Weird fark libs never attack old ginny
Klippoklondike: bugontherug: Klippoklondike: I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTSWhat do you have in mind for addressing health care costs?I say put a cap on the price of procedures and medication, though I know this will never happen. It if it did happen (it never will) Big pharma would still make a profit, just not a ridiculously huge profit.
vegasj: Theres a shocker.Healthcare stocks are up... market is crashing.WTG Obammy... nice one to fark up this country
Phinn: Anti_illuminati: someonelse: Phinn: Here's an idea: Everyone pays for his own stuff.Wtf are you talking about?Apparently he doesn't own any credit cards or has a loan of any kind - nor does he think the rest of the country does too.You no make-ah sense.It's just a proposal. Let's have a general rule of life that says that you don't make me pay for the stuff you want to have, and I won't make you pay for the stuff I want to have.You're not in favor of being an institutionalized moocher, are you? You're not seriously going to congratulate yourself for being moral and high-minded because of your generosity with other people's money?
Weaver95: Phinn: The Larch: It turns out that socialism works. The folks who gathered together in a community and shared the costs of things like city walls, irrigation ditches, and judges got rich and fat and rich and happy. The lone wolfs out in the wilderness eating berries died out.Those things were built with slavery, actually.By your logic, slavery works, too.actually, yes - slavery DOES work. But you have to actually want to keep the bulk of your slaves alive and in working condition otherwise it falls apart.
FirstNationalBastard: It's easy to sum up the Republican reaction to this...[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x574]/I say "Republican" because you don't have to be a Republican to be conservative. Just because the Republicans have turned "conservative" into a dirty word doesn't mean that some conservative beliefs aren't correct.//you don't always have to vote lockstep with your team. Politics isn't a team sport!
FirstNationalBastard: IXI Jim IXI: The_Sponge: True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.so if you're a broad making under $250k, WATCH OUT!How many times have they told you, you don't call chicks "broads".[i36.photobucket.com image 400x267]
vpb: Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.
Klippoklondike: I say put a cap on the price of procedures and medication, though I know this will never happen. It if it did happen (it never will) Big pharma would still make a profit, just not a ridiculously huge profit.
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bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?
L82DPRT: Solidifies the FAILED status quo.
Klippoklondike: ha-ha-guy: someonelse: The Romney campaign has vastly overestimated the number of Americans who consider having health care insurance to be an attack on their freedom. They're about to find this out.Wasn't Romneycare one the more popular pieces of Romney's legacy in Mass? Now they're basically attacking it on a national scale. All that seems to do is make the red states more red, and the swings go "Oh fark no".I don't like Obamacare for the the simple fact that I must have health insurance. I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS rather than forcing everyone into using a middleman (insurance). However, I can't stand Romney and his lies about what this does. He insinuates people won't have a choice over what insurance they'll get (they will have a choice) and insinuates it is bankrupting medicare (this basically replaces it, that's why it takes money away from it). Of course this is hilarious considering he passed something nearly identical in Massachusetts. I do like that this bill forces insurance companies to be somewhat responsible by making them use all that premium money to actually pay for medication and procedures. That is a good thing. I just don't want to be forced to have health insurance.In short, this bill is stupid and Romney is just using it as political ammunation. The end.
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