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2012-06-28 12:34:43 PM

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: But he didn't raise my taxes.


True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.


You can't say that Obama raised your taxes if you are the one making the decision to pay more.
 
2012-06-28 12:34:45 PM

SuperNinjaToad: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

what do you think this ruling is then when you really apply in IRL scenerios? it is exactly that... fark the poor and 'tax' them more for not having health insurance.


Unless that's what the whole "income test" part is about. I am not sure but I think it meant that if you can't afford it, you're subsidized.

I must be mistaken though since everyone says this is just fining the poor.
 
2012-06-28 12:34:50 PM

The Larch: Actor_


You're kidding right? Half a million dollars for a head injury? I can't imagine my parents paying that. They just retired and their life savings are around that much. A lifetime of saving to pay for one accident... thats just wrong on every level.

/Parents had insurance anyway but the public hospital had a better head injury unit than the private one.
 
2012-06-28 12:35:03 PM

FirstNationalBastard: NutznGum: DarnoKonrad: stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?

Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.

takin' yer jerb

They'll be after our white women next.

That was the title of Ballsack Conundrum HUSSEIN Fartbongo 0bammy's last book...

[concernedcitizensofchicago.files.wordpress.com image 520x650]




Ironically written by the Trotskyist virgin Bill Ayers.
 
2012-06-28 12:35:07 PM
So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?
 
2012-06-28 12:35:17 PM

DarnoKonrad: stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?

Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.

takin' yer jerb


I have a job...and have had health insurance for years because I have a job. No, I'm talking about all the illegal aliens who don't pay taxes. How are we going to "tax" them to pay for their health insurance?

Essentially, they will be treated the way we currently treat people without health insurance. Have those that pay health insurance have their rates raised to pay for those that don't pay for health insurance (illegal aliens who don't pay taxes). Of course, we're already paying for that now...so it's no big deal, right?

Then again, maybe that will be the impetus to kick illegal aliens out and go after employers that hire them (something we should be doing anyways).
 
2012-06-28 12:35:23 PM
It'd be nice if this forced the Repubtards to come to the table and hammer out a single payer system. Instead, they'll just go full retard and try to repeal it.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 12:35:31 PM

GhostFish: Years later, and the GOP is still getting farked over by Bush's actions.


Pretty much this. Bush was not even conservative on economic issues, and his decisions are still screwing up the party.
 
2012-06-28 12:35:43 PM

LordJiro: retarded: Good Lord, the freepers are having aneurysms:

"John Robert's poison legacy: Mexican takeover of America, and Socialist dictatorship. IMPEACH this traitorous bastard."

Oh lord, I would love love LOVE to see the Republicans impeach Roberts. Talk about not thinking their cunning plan all the way through.


These are the same people who wanted Obama thrown out immediately because of his "foreign birth." That would have given us President Biden. And if Biden was also thrown out for being in on the "conspiracy," we would have gotten PRESIDENT PELOSI.

They're not very smart.
 
2012-06-28 12:35:51 PM

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: But he didn't raise my taxes.


True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.


Oh, so he used the royal "you" meaning everyone. Got it. So who did he raise taxes on? If not me, and presumably not you, then who?
 
2012-06-28 12:35:55 PM

IXI Jim IXI: The_Sponge: True, but his broad promise was made to EVERYONE making under $250K.

so if you're a broad making under $250k, WATCH OUT!


How many times have they told you, you don't call chicks "broads".

i36.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 12:36:07 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: GhostFish: Years later, and the GOP is still getting farked over by Bush's actions.

The comments are Freeperville are lambasting him for appointing Roberts. I never thought it would happen, but the left and the right have come together on this glorious day and agreed that George W. Bush was a human shiatstain devoid of any redeeming value.


He has redeeming values.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:11 PM

ha-ha-guy: someonelse: The Romney campaign has vastly overestimated the number of Americans who consider having health care insurance to be an attack on their freedom. They're about to find this out.

Wasn't Romneycare one the more popular pieces of Romney's legacy in Mass? Now they're basically attacking it on a national scale. All that seems to do is make the red states more red, and the swings go "Oh fark no".


I don't like Obamacare for the the simple fact that I must have health insurance. I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS rather than forcing everyone into using a middleman (insurance). However, I can't stand Romney and his lies about what this does. He insinuates people won't have a choice over what insurance they'll get (they will have a choice) and insinuates it is bankrupting medicare (this basically replaces it, that's why it takes money away from it). Of course this is hilarious considering he passed something nearly identical in Massachusetts. I do like that this bill forces insurance companies to be somewhat responsible by making them use all that premium money to actually pay for medication and procedures. That is a good thing. I just don't want to be forced to have health insurance.

In short, this bill is stupid and Romney is just using it as political ammunation. The end.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:12 PM
This to Cons is what Citizens United was to Libs.

And we'll see plenty of partisan butthurt and attempts to repeal it in the future.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:13 PM

The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.


Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.


Some of us can't afford a limo service.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:28 PM

Aikidogamer: farkerofDOOM: Seriously, what's the big deal? Don't want insurance? Pay the tax! You are mandated to have homeowners/car/flood insurance, so what's wrong with health insurance?

You can choose not to own a home, you can choose not to own a car, but you cannot choose not to have health. This argument is a non sequitur.


You cannot choose not to have health care.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:31 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh: ruling is big, still reading, spiked the football, spiking football, amount of power is payback time arizona pay back time. this is bad for obama, opportunity for the GOP, taxes taxes world history tax, purely political, made to order, GOP is doing well, this isn't a loss, this isn't bad for us, this is bad for Obama, this is really bad for Obama, taxes taxes, destruction of the private sector, try to look for positives, confusing ruling.


If something that large and bloated spins fast enough, does gravity form?
 
2012-06-28 12:36:44 PM
I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:46 PM
I just watched some republican talking head claim the Obama administration never mentioned the word "OBAMACARE" (until recently) because they wanted to distance themselves from the whole thing.

/mind has been blown
 
2012-06-28 12:37:07 PM
"The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."
-Rand Paul

I think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:08 PM

Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?


I was unaware that ACA required that, but thanks for feckless analogy 1037 in this thread.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:19 PM

stvdallas: DarnoKonrad: stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?

Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.

takin' yer jerb

I have a job...and have had health insurance for years because I have a job. No, I'm talking about all the illegal aliens who don't pay taxes. How are we going to "tax" them to pay for their health insurance?

Essentially, they will be treated the way we currently treat people without health insurance. Have those that pay health insurance have their rates raised to pay for those that don't pay for health insurance (illegal aliens who don't pay taxes). Of course, we're already paying for that now...so it's no big deal, right?

Then again, maybe that will be the impetus to kick illegal aliens out and go after employers that hire them (something we should be doing anyways).




If you'd read the law, illegal aliens aren't allowed to participate in the first place.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:24 PM

Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?


Governments, by nature, are capable of forcing you to do most anything.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw
 
2012-06-28 12:37:31 PM

Velveeta_Poindexter: Does Kennedy just flip a coin these days?


news.tgn.tv

"This court is now in session!"
 
2012-06-28 12:37:32 PM
Limbaugh: freedom of choice got death paneled. SCOTUS, regime did not anticipate that states cannot be stripped of federal money if they opt out of medicade expansion. mandates, pushes states around, states are in terrible shape, pensions, no money, no money. it won't work. the poor! the poor. no money. states don't have to participate. implied threat, ACA is free health care, free health care is bad.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:09 PM

badLogic: "The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."
-Rand Paul

I think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.


Someone needs to re-read Marbury vs. Madison.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:12 PM
Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.

I see many of the posts on this thread talking about how this is a preferable method for paying for healthcare.

Isn't this similar to the prescription drug benefit passed by congress under Bush.

You pick and pay for what ever kind of insurance you want and the services are paid for by a single payer, usually the government.

Single payer is not universal healthcare.

Given most healthcare institutions survive based on people who pay their own way or negotiated rates with private insurance which are above cost, how would single payer allow hospitals to survive?
 
2012-06-28 12:38:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "Somebody call for a Constitutional Scholar?"

[writingjunkie.net image 600x280]


+1

That is the other aspect of this. Obama predicted it would be upheld. He's frequently right ya know.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:16 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I apparently don't know everything about this whole deal. I hear some people talk about how health care is now guaranteed for everyone, then I hear you are now forced to purchase health care. Which one is it?


The government can't force you to buy health insurance, but if you don't, you will pay an uncollected tax when you do your income taxes.

Work a minimum wage job and can't afford health insurance? fark you, pay me.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:18 PM

badLogic: "The Supreme Court isn't the boss of what's constitutional."
-Rand Paul

I think someone needs to re-read the Constitution.


Yeah,
you do
Judicial review didn't come about until 1804
 
2012-06-28 12:38:21 PM

sweetmelissa31: Are you outing yourself as one of the people whose ass we have to cover when you have an accident and expect treatment but didn't buy insurance?


thanks a lot whalebama
 
2012-06-28 12:38:21 PM
And the spin is already on at Fox trying to show how this is really a republican idea and the preseident was against it from the get go...That's a hard sell even for Fox at this point...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/28/individual-health-care-ins u rance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/
 
2012-06-28 12:38:23 PM

Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?


Yes, you're going to marry a carrot.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:28 PM
Shortly after Butler, in Helvering v. Davis,[25] the Supreme Court interpreted the clause even more expansively, conferring upon Congress a plenary power to impose taxes and to spend money for the general welfare subject almost entirely to its own discretion. Even more recently, the Court has included the power to indirectly coerce the states into adopting national standards by threatening to withhold federal funds in South Dakota v. Dole.[7] To date, the Hamiltonian view of the General Welfare Clause predominates in case law.

Yeah. What they said. BTW, the Hamiltonian view has existed since the 18th century.

Bless Roberts for seeing the power of Congress through the General Welfare Clause. I still think the SCOTUS is corrupt but this is definitely an example of an independent judiciary correctly interpreting the constitution.

I'm kind of sorry it was upheld since it would have led to single payer but still it's best not to have to go through that mess right now.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:38 PM

tortilla burger: (reposted from Osama bin Laden thread, not mine)

I'd be very afraid if I were Michelle Obama's vagina right now.


3.bp.blogspot.com


really??
 
2012-06-28 12:38:44 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.


My bet is on Mississppi or South Carolina, but those are safe bets. Anyone want to go Georgia or Tennessee?
 
2012-06-28 12:38:58 PM

you need help: bhcompy: you need help: I will never go to the doctor in my lifetime, so this is nothing but butthurt for me.

But if you chose to skip health coverage, it would be more than butthurt. I've opted out of healthcare previously simply because my company will pay me a special bonus for opting out, because they still save money after the bonus. Nothing has changed for them, but now I cannot do that anymore.

I dropped health coverage several years ago and planned to never pay for it again in my life. It sounds like my best option come 2014 is to make sure that I owe taxes at the end of the year so they can't take anything from me.


Works for me, as long as you decide never to USE health care services if you are sicker than you have cash to pay. Unfortunately, our society won't cast you on to an ice flow if you don't have insurance when (not if) you get sick beyond your means.

/thank a liberal
 
2012-06-28 12:39:07 PM

Klippoklondike: I think the problem with health care costs should be solved by looking at the HEALTH CARE COSTS


What do you have in mind for addressing health care costs?
 
2012-06-28 12:39:17 PM

GhostFish: Years later, and the GOP is still getting farked over by Bush's actions.


THIS!
 
2012-06-28 12:39:23 PM

rufus-t-firefly: And, if insurance companies complain that they can't be profitable, they can shut themselves down and we can pass single payer.


I think that's inevitable. Call me crazy but I don't trust insurance companies to do the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:29 PM
To an outside observer, the rejection of the idea of government-mandated health care by average, working citizens who would be ruined financially from a relatively simple medical procedure seems utterly pants-on-head insane.

But, there just seems to be a real lack of critical thinking that result in ordinary people falling for the lies of the greedy Insurance Industry with their labyrinthine bureaucracy and the thousands of middle men who insist in getting their cut by charging $50 for a ten-cent band-aid. Oh, not to mention the utterly corrupt and amoral politicians (like Romney) who gladly accept BRIBES do the bidding of their puppet-masters who profit from the status quo.

You are circling the drain.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:29 PM

Weaver95: Limbaugh: freedom of choice got death paneled. SCOTUS, regime did not anticipate that states cannot be stripped of federal money if they opt out of medicade expansion. mandates, pushes states around, states are in terrible shape, pensions, no money, no money. it won't work. the poor! the poor. no money. states don't have to participate. implied threat, ACA is free health care, free health care is bad.


It takes a while for the feedback loop to at least use correct syntax. He'll figure it out.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:34 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm sure it won't be long until at least one governor of a southern state declares their intention to secede from the union.


And nothing of value will be lost.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:44 PM
Obama threatened Roberts's cat
 
2012-06-28 12:39:54 PM

unlikely: SuperNinjaToad: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

what do you think this ruling is then when you really apply in IRL scenerios? it is exactly that... fark the poor and 'tax' them more for not having health insurance.

Unless that's what the whole "income test" part is about. I am not sure but I think it meant that if you can't afford it, you're subsidized.

I must be mistaken though since everyone says this is just fining the poor.


the devil is in the detail.. as in the fine print. On the surface it appears that the 'poor' are exempt and 'should' actually be better off in terms of health care coverage/insurance BUT you and I know reality is anything but. In practice the this ruling will backfire and the poor will be actually be worst off than today w/o any sort of coverage.

BTW I want to qualify 'poor' to include middle class.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:03 PM

you are a puppet: Sampsonhammer: So now the government can make me buy an electric car because if I don't there is a $30,000 tax for not doing so?

Yes, you're going to marry a carrot.


Fark you! I was promised turtles!!!
 
2012-06-28 12:40:08 PM

someonelse: CNN reporter to Romney spokesman: What specifically is your health care alternative?

Romney spokesman: We don't need specifics right now.


Tort reform, competition across cross-state. I'm led to understand that would fix everything.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:14 PM

Lando Lincoln: The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.


Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.

Some of us can't afford a limo service.


The_Sponge doesn't get the irony of his retort, pithy as he fancies it.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:24 PM

Buffalo77: Can someone explain the benefits of single payer to me.


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