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2012-06-28 12:23:55 PM

Weaver95: hubiestubert: So with the Court making its decision, then the debate is over, right? Process served, and now we can get back to issues that are important?

are you kidding!? we have a cat 5 derpstorm warning posted and the outer markers are already reporting derpwinds in excess of 50 rovians per hour!


True enough, but a man can dream can't he?

To be fair, I prefer this:

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-06-28 12:23:56 PM

JerseyTim: If I talk in a big bold font, it means I'm right and everyone should listen to me


When I talk in a big bold font it's because I need glasses.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:08 PM

muck4doo: Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )

Yummy!


Can't be the only one recalling Mythbusters popcorn.
Won't be enough, better get on it.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:13 PM

olddinosaur: The MSN poll is running 29% for, 62% against; I would be surprised this thing lasts past next January, too many are against it.


Either that, or the type of people who can sit around on MSN during the day already have health coverage, while poor people are.. you know, working their shiat jobs without net access at the moment.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:14 PM
I find it amusing that they released this ruling on a Thursday so it would be overshadowed by the Steam Summer Sale.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:17 PM

Sabyen91: HeartBurnKid: Sabyen91: drgloryboy: Medicaid doesn't pay well and most family docs don't accept it.

Interesting. When I was on Medicaid my family doc accepted it. And anybody else in network.

That was my mom's experience as well. Was. Until California privatized it.

You have to be in a PPO in Wisconsin so I guess it is semi-privatized. All Mercy providers take Mercy. All docs that take Unity take the Unity medicaid. Etc.


It's similar in CA, at least in Los Angeles County. She's offered a choice of HMO's between Health Net, L.A. Care, and a few more specialized ones. She was on Health Net before, and they only had a whopping 3 primary care doctors in my area that actually accepted it (and all of them were quacks). She switched to L.A. Care, and there's more (and better) primary care doctors available to her at least, but I still have to take her for a 1-2 hour drive any time she needs to see a specialist. And don't get me started on prescription coverage...
 
2012-06-28 12:24:22 PM

DarnoKonrad: NeoCortex42: Obama: "The mandate has had support from both sides, including Mitt Romney."

Nice.

If it had went down, Obama'd be in pickle. But he's going to hammer Romney on this until November.


Either way, I just want Obama to pressure Romney into explicitly stating what he'd replace ObamaCare with. Hey, if Romney has some amazing solution that would fix things even better, I'm willing to listen to it.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:27 PM
Starting in 2014, the fine for not carrying insurance would be $95 a year or 1 percent of a person's income, whichever is greater. In 2015 that would jump to $325 or 2 percent of income and in 2016 the fine would be $695 or 2.5 percent of income.

2.5% What a coinkidink, the average American is also that same amount away from being homeless. Popcorn anyone?
 
2012-06-28 12:24:39 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: letthepossumlive: Will this lead to clinics to open in places like Walmart so people can come in and ask about a rash or something? At least they know they will get paid now.
I like the reform but have doubts about the amount of fraud that will will happen.

First things first I guess.
Frankly, that should have been done a long time ago. Maybe not directly inside the store like with the optometrists and korean hair and nail salon places reeking of chemicals.............. but somewhere set off, like the tire and checkup section.

Free up ERs, and take care of urgent care issues a la carte. Love it.


It is done. A lot of HEBS and such have 'ready clinics' where you can do simple stuff, get flu shots, etc.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:44 PM

indarwinsshadow: Congratulations United States. You might actually be growing up and joining the rest of the world by recognizing that universal health care actually costs less in the long run then "for profit" care. Yeah, I know you don't believe it. Whatever, you're going to get health care no matter how much you biatch and whine about it so take the congrats and shut up.


Agreed. However, nothing wrong with privatized/free market health care. Canada has a mixture of public/private care. It is only privatized insurance for basic health care that is inherently stupid. The US has an amazing private health care and none of that would have to change. Replace the insurance model with single-payer and you would have one of the best health care systems in the world, certainly surpassing Canada's.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:55 PM

Dimensio: I already have health insurance.

Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.



Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:07 PM

justtray: What's the countdown before the outrage that we shouldn't call it Obamacare anymore now that it is constitutional? I doubt we go a week before the Right Wing hypocrisy comes full circle and starts complaining about how it shouldn't be called that.


The more people start actually paying attention to what's in this program (and many people are somehow just doing this now), the more Republicans will regret dubbing it "Obamacare." I find that hilarious.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:08 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: "jacking up premiums"

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Was sincerely hoping he'd say "off" instead of "up".

/Canadian
//Loving the "Moving to Canada" misplaced butthurt
 
2012-06-28 12:25:08 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 640x281]

I just want to know why "pocketbook" keeps getting used in the press. Does anybody, anywhere say that these days? It's like "beverages."


cbskiss951.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-28 12:25:18 PM

d3sertion: Roberts put his legacy and integrity over politics. Bravo.


Umm, no.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:27 PM
Limbaugh: ruling is big, still reading, spiked the football, spiking football, amount of power is payback time arizona pay back time. this is bad for obama, opportunity for the GOP, taxes taxes world history tax, purely political, made to order, GOP is doing well, this isn't a loss, this isn't bad for us, this is bad for Obama, this is really bad for Obama, taxes taxes, destruction of the private sector, try to look for positives, confusing ruling.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:45 PM

ha-ha-guy: Wasn't Romneycare one the more popular pieces of Romney's legacy in Mass?


Probably THE most popular pieces, he had a massive ceremony signing celebration and everything. But, I assume Romneybot can easily delete all memory sectors of that event.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:48 PM
Hell of a thread here.

I'm happy and sad. Happy because, well, honestly, f*ck the haters. Sad because I think we could have done so much better. Open medicare to everyone. Single payer IS the future.

What I don't get is why Republicans are SO angry. Every day you see people on here making arguments that the poor don't pay enough in taxes. Well, here's a tax they have to pay if they don't get health insurance. Here's your "skin in the game." The rich won't be paying this, they have health insurance. This falls on the 50% of the country or so you claim pay no taxes. This is something you want. Now WTF are you so angry about?
 
2012-06-28 12:25:50 PM

ontariolightning: Does this mean US joined the rest of the civilized world? kicking and screaming?

Does this mean you wont have to pay for doctor appointments?


We'll still have a co-pay (depending on your plan, mine's $10), but now people who were being screwed by the system have a slightly better shot at a better life.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:52 PM

itsallgeek2me: Obamacare went from "it's unconstitutional!" to "It's a tax!" in 2 seconds flat across the board on every conservative news site, twitter account, radio station, and of course FOX.


errrr...... that is because that was what SCOTUS said it was in their ruling
 
2012-06-28 12:25:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Dimensio: I already have health insurance.

Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.


Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.


Actually, nobody "has" to pay the tax at all, if they choose.

My aunt believes the Supreme Court has been "blinded by the Dems"

She's going nuts.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:09 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.


Not if they decide to do the right thing for themselves and society and get some insurance, they won't.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:10 PM
As Bowie sang, "This is not America". Not any more, it isn't (though it hasn't been for a long, long time...this is just the death rattle. Cheney's presidency was the deathblow).
 
2012-06-28 12:26:18 PM

Weaver95: Romney is blatantly lying again....


Romney lies because he genuinely believes it's ok to lie
Link

Romney routine lying -- His Big Lie strategy
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2012-06-28 12:26:18 PM

Thunderpipes: kasmel: Thunderpipes: Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes.

Look up gas taxes and why States have the same drinking age and mostly the same freeway speeds. This is nothing new.

Yes, it is. Driving, drinking, they are all voluntary. You can choose to not do it. Can't choose not to exist. Plenty of crunchies only ride bikes and get away with not contributing to the state transportation funds or the federal gasoline tax.

Now, if you start charging non-car owners a tax, bike riders a tax, etc, think that would fly?


I support the PPACA and I'm actually fully with you on this one. I think of it as duct taping a big mess because no one wants to call the plumber - it's a valid if hilariously imperfect method of dealing with the problem.

So, seriously now, given that healthcare is unavoidable, expensive, necessary and that the status quo leaves all but the luckiest* without adequate coverage, and given that you don't like Obamacare as it was upheld today, what solution would you propose to your Congresscritter(s) running in November?

This isn't a rhetorical question - I expect you to actually talk to your Congresspeople.

(*not necessarily the richest, though there is certainly a lot of overlap)
 
2012-06-28 12:26:21 PM
John Roberts? John f**king Roberts was the deciding vote on Obamacare?

And he voted FOR it?

What universe is this?! O_o
 
2012-06-28 12:26:23 PM

PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate". Also, this is the end of the country.


Did he really say "testimate"?

What is wrong with the yoots in this country?
 
2012-06-28 12:26:31 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.


Or, alternatively, he could get health insurance and pull his own weight.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:37 PM

imashark: He was so incoherent, my derp-o-meter exploded. I had to turn off the radio.


He is going to likely have to spend the rest of his afternoon after the show rolling around in pre-pubescent Jamaican boys to console himself.

/if he planned for this eventuality that is.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:45 PM
On an unrelated note, I cannot put to words how relieved I am about this. I didn't even realize how worried I was, but I feel infinetly better today, upon hearing this news.

Largely because this means it *will* be possible for me to find my future wife health insurance later on down the road, without having to worry about them trying to deny her for 'pre-existing conditions'.

/She had a medication-induced stroke a few years back, at the age of 23.
//She's fine now! There were no lingering problems whatsoever, save that she thinks she swallows slightly differently now.
///UNC-Chapel Hill Hospital's Neurology department is staffed by tiny gods.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:46 PM

SuperNinjaToad: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

what do you think this ruling is then when you really apply in IRL scenerios? it is exactly that... fark the poor and 'tax' them more for not having health insurance.


No, not really. First off, most of those 26 states will eventually sign onto the expanded Medicaid rules. The pressure will actually come from doctors in those states who want the new business from clients who can't currently afford health insurance. Not only that, but since the federal government pays most of Medicaid costs, it's just too good of a deal to turn down. States who don't adopt the Medicaid expansion are turning down too much money. That won't stand for long.

Moreover, there's a very strong argument that application of the mandate to persons who would otherwise have been eligible for expanded Medicaid coverage was never intended.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:52 PM

crazydave023: Nice speech. Insurance companies made out with a sweet deal.


Well, it's the true definition of compromise.

downside: They have to take many more people on the dole they didn't want to.
upside: They have a ton more customers.

My bet is while their income will skyrocket, their profit margins will take a hit.

All depends on how much money the government will throw at people they are 'meeting half way' on getting coverage (you buy a $20k plan because you had cancer 5 times and the government helps you by paying 75% of it)... it could end up being a win-win for insurance companies.... I just don't know.

I'm sure they and a few politicians have a good idea how this will all pan out, but likely we all just have to wait and see how this plays out over the next few years.

Provided democrats actually go vote in the next 2 elections. If they don't (like the last one) the argument is meaningless as (R) will erase this the first opportunity they get.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:15 PM

Parmenius: Rofl from Scotusblog:
By the way, the opinions collectively are a monster. The Chief's opinion is 59 pages, Justice Ginsburg's opinion is 61 pages, the four dissenters are 65 pages, followed by a short two-pager from Justice Thomas. You do the math.

LOLThomas


Clarence Thomas expressed his opinion by drawing a picture of a potato with a Band-Aid on it.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:15 PM
Would this be a good time to remind ya'll that the GOP installed the mandatory clause in the Obamacare so that they can now biatch?
/chitheads
 
2012-06-28 12:27:24 PM

IlGreven: ialdabaoth: El Hodor: ialdabaoth: Ok, look. This is simple.

If someone can't afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?

If someone can't afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?

If someone can't afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?

If someone can't afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?

You get what you pay for. If you can't afford to pay, well... I suppose it's polite to pretend that it was nice knowing you, but you aren't much use anymore, are you?

And if you disagree with all of the above statements, great! Politics takes money. If someone can't afford a lobbyist or a campaign, why do they deserve to have an opinion?

Brilliant! 10/10! This, gentlemen, is how you troll!

Actually, I really *would* like an answer.

Stop lying.


If I were going to be PERFECTLY accurate, I should say "I would like an answer that stands up to conservative ideology".
 
2012-06-28 12:27:32 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: Dancin_In_Anson: Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.

Or, alternatively, he could get health insurance and pull his own weight.


.
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Farking lazy poor people.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:36 PM

GeeksAreMyPeeps: MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.

And that is how the GOP and FoxNews will spin this


That is exactly how it is.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:51 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?


Yes, that was the primary thing they didn't like about it.

Now, if they don't qualify for medicare and they don't have insurance, then they will be taxed. I've heard that it's not a very big financial penalty, so all of this teeth-gnashing may be for very little.

But that's never stopped people from making a big deal out of little things before.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:55 PM

Graffito: Martycrane: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n ews/2900394/posts

How about this gem from FR?

"This is no different than when the Supreme Court upheld slavery, and condemned people to slavery based on the color of their skin.

Now, they have upheld slavery of the ENTIRE American people to the Government, by saying that it is constitutional for EVERY American to be FORCED into a purchase agreement."


Oh Freepers and their lovable derp. I'm a Canadian and this is making my day so much more enjoyable.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:07 PM
I'll say it. As a Conservative, yes, I'm not happy with this, but it isn't the worst news in the world. I hope this plan works now that it has been given the okay.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:09 PM

meat0918: There is no jail time associated with this. I think it's explicitly not allowed. They'll adjust your refund instead.


Just a note: not everyone gets refunds. And talk to Wesley Snipes about jail time for not paying taxes.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:16 PM
Paging The_Six_Fingered_Man: I have a question. Suppose you set up your withholding so that you owe, say, $500 on your income tax bill on April 15. Further suppose that you do not hold health insurance and are subject to the $695 payment. If you send the IRS $500 to try and cover your income tax bill but not any of the $695 shared responsibility payment, can the IRS use that $500 effectively as a down payment on the shared responsibility payment and then come after you for the $500 that you didn't pay on your other tax liability?
 
2012-06-28 12:28:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: Dimensio: I already have health insurance.

Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.


Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.

Actually, nobody "has" to pay the tax at all, if they choose.

My aunt believes the Supreme Court has been "blinded by the Dems"

She's going nuts.


Buy her a fresh bottle of brandy. She's going to need it.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:39 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Open medicare to everyone. Single payer IS the future.


Yup...if you can now get rid of the insurance companies lobbyist.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:52 PM
Oh man, the right-wing butthurt/outrage by Rush Limbaugh is fantastic.

"All these liberal elite, academic, so called intellectuals are not even C-students....in life."

Just listening to Limbaugh, McConnell, and Boehner cry makes this whole thing worth it.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:54 PM

Dorf11: "The supreme court upheld Obama Care. That's it. I'm moving to Canada!"


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2012-06-28 12:28:55 PM

david_gaithersburg: ignatius_crumbcake: Dancin_In_Anson: Good for you. Same here. I guess it just the other guy that will have to pay the tax.

Or, alternatively, he could get health insurance and pull his own weight.

.
.
Farking lazy poor people.


Yes, we keep getting that from you. Your contributions to the Farkosphere have thus far today been nothing short of legendary.
 
2012-06-28 12:29:12 PM
Matthews just made what I think is a good point in that this splits Romney from congressional GOPs in that they will be running against Obamacare while Romney will want to stick to the economy only.

Add his cross-messaging with many Republican governors and Romney is looking like he's pretty much on his own.
 
2012-06-28 12:29:38 PM

Bucky Katt: Buy her a fresh bottle of brandy. She's going to need it.


She doesn't even drink. And when I pointed out that it was the Roberts opinion, she immediately stopped commenting on my FB.
 
2012-06-28 12:29:38 PM

ialdabaoth: Ok, look. This is simple.

If someone can't afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?

If someone can't afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?

If someone can't afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?

If someone can't afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?

You get what you pay for. If you can't afford to pay, well... I suppose it's polite to pretend that it was nice knowing you, but you aren't much use anymore, are you?

And if you disagree with all of the above statements, great! Politics takes money. If someone can't afford a lobbyist or a campaign, why do they deserve to have an opinion?



Republicans sound like such miserly douches.

"Can't work? Shrivel up and die then!"
 
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