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2012-06-28 12:19:31 PM  

Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )


Thanks=)
 
2012-06-28 12:19:40 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: cameroncrazy1984: The My Little Pony Killer: Don't dodge the question. You said I have healthcare now. Through whom?

I guess you've never heard of Medicaid? Or are you not actually poor, just "poor"

Oh honey, the fact that you think I qualify for that is just laughable. So you're just living up to the "crazy" portion of your moniker today.

Carry on with your crazy self.


Soooo.... you're not poor?
 
2012-06-28 12:19:53 PM  

Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]

Here.

I made enough for everyone.

: )


Yummy!
 
2012-06-28 12:19:54 PM  

Publikwerks: Where to I go to sign up to be on a death panel? I really want to start killing people immediately. Especially old ones who love America and work hard for a living.


The Boomers are just panicking, because they know no one else is going to object to thinning them out.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:05 PM  
Raise the Farking penalty/tax for not having insurance.

It can't be a Farking MYTH.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:07 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: we're forced to pay a tax, insurance is now a tax, we're forced, we're forced. forcing is bad, bad, wrong, bad, wrong. tax tax tax. corporations taxing us...backing off that point, stealth tax. behavior modification, tax tax tax. government dictating what we do with private property, tax tax tax.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 12:20:09 PM  

mrshowrules: I've been arguing for years that single-payer is one of the best things the US could do to help small businesses.


Oh it absolutely is, but that's not the point. Baby steps. It's progress, and that's what counts. They'll get there, it's just a matter of time.

The next trick, and it's a toughie, is convincing Conservatives that the government could be more efficient than the corporate. And that's really gonna take some doing, unfortunately, there'll have to be some ugly, ugly foul-ups.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:10 PM  
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2012-06-28 12:20:14 PM  
Obama slam about Romney supporting mandates.

lolerz
 
2012-06-28 12:20:18 PM  
What's the countdown before the outrage that we shouldn't call it Obamacare anymore now that it is constitutional? I doubt we go a week before the Right Wing hypocrisy comes full circle and starts complaining about how it shouldn't be called that.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:18 PM  

stvdallas: You know who wins with this decision?

Illegal aliens who don't pay taxes.


takin' yer jerb
 
2012-06-28 12:20:19 PM  

Stoker: [img836.imageshack.us image 500x510]


So now the spin is that "Obamacare is forcing more money into the insurance company coffers?" Wow, just a little ways up the thread it was "Insurance company stocks are tumbling because real Murikans know that this ruling puts insurance companies out of business."

I just can't keep up anymore, you guys change positions so fast.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:28 PM  

Richard Saunders: I cannot tell you saddened I am by this.


Oh noes! Mean old Obama gave you a sad!

Is this the very first time you have ever had to pay taxes? You poor baby. The Republicans will make it all better for you.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:34 PM  
Ooooh, big mistake by Obama. There is no "current Republican nominee for president." He's about to get a earfull of RON PAUL.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:39 PM  
Obama: "The mandate has had support from both sides, including Mitt Romney."

Nice.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:45 PM  

Grungehamster: I don't get how the Medicaid thing works; how is it that increasing the funding for a program for the states while also increasing the requirements for the states to qualify for the program is illegal unless you still give the states the previous level of funding if they comply with the previous requirements? The government changes the amount the states must match all the time for states, and it's always been they either accept the new rules or forgo federal funding for Medicaid (correct me if I'm wrong). Now that they are saying "we're increasing funding so you will have to pay more to match it" the Court has decided states can determine what amount they are willing to pay and the federal government must adjust funding to match what the state offers instead of saying that they aren't meeting the requirements? Were they just talking about the language in the bill itself or is this an overarching principle that might be applied elsewhere?


You read that wrong. Requirements were INCREASED, funding as DECREASED. That's why the states were going guanopsycho
 
2012-06-28 12:20:49 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: we're forced to pay a tax, insurance is now a tax, we're forced, we're forced. forcing is bad, bad, wrong, bad, wrong. tax tax tax. corporations taxing us...backing off that point, stealth tax. behavior modification, tax tax tax. government dictating what we do with private property, tax tax tax.


I turned Limbaugh on for literally 30 seconds, and this is exactly what he said.

He was so incoherent, my derp-o-meter exploded. I had to turn off the radio.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:55 PM  
The right-wing derp today is awe-inspiring. So wars in the middle east were freedom and healthcare is tyranny? oooookay nutbags.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:05 PM  
Divided and Conquered is no way to go thru life, son.

/there simply is no better butthurt than partisan butthurt
//wish there was a way to save it and serve it rewarmed, often
 
2012-06-28 12:21:06 PM  

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: Still spewing horsesh:t, huh? How about addressing some issues others have pointed out with your ridiculous logic first?


Really? It's horseshiat to point out that Obama promised not to raise your taxes if you made under $250K per year?


The executive branch levies taxes?
 
2012-06-28 12:21:13 PM  
Obama is speaking on this decision right now.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:15 PM  
Can't wait for the reaction from the Catholic church when the IRS thugs show up at the Cardinals home with guns drawn and force him to sign his checkbook to fund baby murders. Got popcorn?
 
2012-06-28 12:21:25 PM  

SphericalTime: Roberts decided he didn't want to be a joke for the rest of his life, apparently.


Exactly. It's the "Robert's court" after all. He didn't want to go down in history as the guy who oversaw the grotesque, transparent politicization of the court.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:33 PM  

The_Sponge: Anti_illuminati: Still spewing horsesh:t, huh? How about addressing some issues others have pointed out with your ridiculous logic first?


Really? It's horseshiat to point out that Obama promised not to raise your taxes if you made under $250K per year?


But he didn't raise my taxes.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: Obama: "The mandate has had support from both sides, including Mitt Romney."

Nice.


If it had went down, Obama'd be in pickle. But he's going to hammer Romney on this until November.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:56 PM  

justtray: What's the countdown before the outrage that we shouldn't call it Obamacare anymore now that it is constitutional? I doubt we go a week before the Right Wing hypocrisy comes full circle and starts complaining about how it shouldn't be called that.


Give it about 6 months after the last of the provisions take effect and people realize it makes their lives better before the Republicans start trying to take credit for it.
 
2012-06-28 12:21:57 PM  

jst3p: Am I a bad person because, in my opinion, the best part about this is the fact that I can use it to stir up the Right Wing nutjobs in the cubes near me? Today is going to be fun.


The two by me won't shut the fark up, you'd swear it was 9/11 all over again (they're both huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Paultards, so maybe that explains it).
 
2012-06-28 12:21:58 PM  
"jacking up premiums"

collider.com
 
2012-06-28 12:22:01 PM  

Serious Black: Aetna's stock is down 4.3% today. WellPoint's stock is down 6.45% today. UnitedHealth's stock is down 3% today. You think they're happy about the ruling?


No, and that's a good thing,

Actor_au: The final bill for his time there would have been in the tens of thousands if we were in the US.


Ha, try millions. A severed finger costs 10's of thousands, multiple brain operations costs millions.
 
2012-06-28 12:22:14 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.

If that's what you want, go right ahead. I think you'll find that it's not the wine and roses you think.


Also, good luck in getting money from all the rejection letters you get from unemployment since you quit your job, and all the rejection letters you get from the other social programs because you're "too lazy" to look for a job at all...
 
2012-06-28 12:22:35 PM  
Is "jacked" or "jacking" really the best terminology?

/yes, I am immature
 
2012-06-28 12:22:41 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh: we're forced to pay a tax, insurance is now a tax, we're forced, we're forced. forcing is bad, bad, wrong, bad, wrong. tax tax tax. corporations taxing us...backing off that point, stealth tax. behavior modification, tax tax tax. government dictating what we do with private property, tax tax tax.


Today, a young Dominican is smiling, because hurt is on the other butt today
 
2012-06-28 12:22:42 PM  
Nice speech. Insurance companies made out with a sweet deal.
 
2012-06-28 12:22:51 PM  

NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down


Melting down, melting down.

Free Republic's melting down.

My dear Fundie!
 
2012-06-28 12:22:53 PM  

dameron: SphericalTime: Roberts decided he didn't want to be a joke for the rest of his life, apparently.

Exactly. It's the "Robert's court" after all. He didn't want to go down in history as the guy who oversaw the grotesque, transparent politicization of the court.


He's already got the 'Bush' stamp of approval that won't ever rub off. . .
 
2012-06-28 12:22:53 PM  
Dig it, Righties - Boomers are gonna die soon, and America's turning brown. You're done, and the smart ones see it and are moving back toward moderate positions.
You can't lead, and you're too dumb to follow - so get the f**k out of the way.
 
2012-06-28 12:22:56 PM  
I'm really curious how GOP/Conservatives can spin Mandates as some far, far, far left overeach out of the playbook of Karl Marx when....

a) Their current Presidential Candidate is the American Godfather of Government Health Insurance Mandates.

b) The whole idea of Health Insurance Mandates was introduced into the national conversation by Conservative GOP members in the 90s.

c) A Chief Justice, appointed by President Bush and who rules along conservative lines the vast majority of the times just approved it as Constitutional.
 
2012-06-28 12:22:57 PM  

dameron: SphericalTime: Roberts decided he didn't want to be a joke for the rest of his life, apparently.

Exactly. It's the "Robert's court" after all. He didn't want to go down in history as the guy who oversaw the grotesque, transparent politicization of the court.


I think it pretty much boils down to this. And the opinion was carefully crafted so it wouldn't be an outright confirmation of the mandate.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:00 PM  
Does this mean US joined the rest of the civilized world? kicking and screaming?

Does this mean you wont have to pay for doctor appointments?
 
2012-06-28 12:23:02 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Glenford: Only in America, where ensuring that citizens have health care is seen as tyranny.

Everybody in America already has healthcare.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 12:23:02 PM  

imashark: Weaver95: Limbaugh: we're forced to pay a tax, insurance is now a tax, we're forced, we're forced. forcing is bad, bad, wrong, bad, wrong. tax tax tax. corporations taxing us...backing off that point, stealth tax. behavior modification, tax tax tax. government dictating what we do with private property, tax tax tax.

I turned Limbaugh on for literally 30 seconds, and this is exactly what he said.

He was so incoherent, my derp-o-meter exploded. I had to turn off the radio.


I think Limbaugh is kinda high. that's all he's said for the first 15 min of his show: taxes taxes taxes, taxes taxes...taxes!
 
2012-06-28 12:23:07 PM  
Obama: "It should be pretty clear that I didn't do this because it's good politics. I did it because it's good for the country."
 
2012-06-28 12:23:21 PM  
Say what you will about conservatives, but I have to admire how awesome the echo chamber is at getting out their message.

Obamacare went from "it's unconstitutional!" to "It's a tax!" in 2 seconds flat across the board on every conservative news site, twitter account, radio station, and of course FOX. My red state relatives are already repeating it.

I remember when it was going through congress and the phrase was "it's being shoved down our throats!"... and you could tell who watched conservative news because they not only used similar words (or similar arguments), but the EXACT SAME WORDING VERBATIM to state their case. If you pay attention to it you can see the pattern repeating across issues again and again.

It's a little unnerving actually.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:24 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

what do you think this ruling is then when you really apply in IRL scenerios? it is exactly that... fark the poor and 'tax' them more for not having health insurance.


The poor still don't have to pay as much. They get it subsidized on a sliding scale, and if you're really, really poor, you're not subject to the fine.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:26 PM  

EatenTheSun: Here's how I see it playing out: Company realizes it's cheaper to pay a $2000 fine than provide insurance, drops insurance coverage. Employee realizes it's cheaper to pay the tax than buy insurance, goes without coverage. Huge shift in uninsured to the working class.


I partially see point #1. Companies provide/subsidize health insurance now because it's hard to get any kind of skilled worker without it. If PPACA stands (further Congressional action), employers won't have quite the incentive to do so, since their employees can get private insurance in the exchange market.

Point #2: Depends on the subsidy level. People who make too much to qualify for subsidies under PPACA will generally buy the insurance, because they have typically assets to lose in a bankruptcy. People who don't make that much will have their insurance largely subsidized. That is, if the subsidies are funded in annual appropriations bills... we'll see about that.

However, let me throw out this hypothetical. Will there be insurers for those exchanges? Halfway decent ones? It's hard to see Aetna and the BCBSs committing hari-kiri and getting out of the insurance business. But, if the mandates to provide care and the lack of ability to discriminate mean that it's simply unprofitable to offer exchange plans? Then they won't. They might provide plans only to employer groups. Or just fold. I'm a little concerned that we'll end up with exchanges with either no plans at all, or only uber-crap fly-by-night plans.

Eventually, under the the PPACA 'state exchange' framework, we could end up with a system mirroring Canada's provincial/territorial-run public health plans.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:27 PM  
My aunt, who is a CPA and a staunch religious Republican claims it's taking away our freedom. She WORKS FOR THE IRS.

Some people are insane.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:28 PM  

physt: Thunderpipes: TwistedFark: bdub77: WombatControl: Legally, this was a piss-poor decision. Yes, the Commerce Clause end of things was upheld, but the SCOTUS basically saved Congress by doing something that Congress never intended to do. That's judicial activism. If Congress had intended the mandate to be a tax, they could have done so directly. SCOTUS inferred that's what they did, which is not the proper role of a judge.

Politically, anyone who wants to argue this is good for Obama is kidding themselves. This is the worst outcome for Obama. (The best being the bill being upheld under the Commerce Clause, the second best being the bill being totally struck down.) Why is this the worst outcome?

1.) This just energized the living fark out of the GOP base. It was ObamaCare that motivated the Tea Party in 2010. Now it's going to do the same in 2012.

2.) It just took away their "RomneyCare" attacks. (Yes, the whole "RomneyCare" bit was incoherent to begin with, but it's less coherent now.)

3.) Obama is now responsible for a major middle-class tax increase. After saying that he wouldn't raise taxes. Repeatedly. This will be in every Romney attack ad through this election season. It should be in them now.

From now on, it's not "ObamaCare." It's the "Obama Health Care Tax". Let's have the President own his massive tax hike right through to November.

Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.

I'm not much of a political fan boy, but I have to agree in regards to Obama's legacy. He's managed to accomplish quite a bit in this term - and a fair bit more than I can recall any of the last 4 President's doing.

He sure has. No President in history has run up ...


Actually, Obama has made even "W" look like an amateur when it comes to running up debt.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:33 PM  

tkwasny: Can't wait for the reaction from the Catholic church when the IRS thugs show up at the Cardinals home with guns drawn and force him to sign his checkbook to fund baby murders. Got popcorn?


Thats a lot of derp for one sentence.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:33 PM  

TheRedMonkey: ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."

I am not sure if you are trolling or not since Romney did implement a similar healthcare plan when he was governor.


I don't have a 'that's the joke' pic handy, but that's the joke.
 
2012-06-28 12:23:54 PM  
I have a question, if some of the states opt out of the Medicare expansion, how does that affect the workability of the ACA?
 
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