The My Little Pony Killer: Don't dodge the question. You said I have healthcare now. Through whom?
ialdabaoth: El Hodor: ialdabaoth: Ok, look. This is simple.If someone can't afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?If someone can't afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?If someone can't afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?If someone can't afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?You get what you pay for. If you can't afford to pay, well... I suppose it's polite to pretend that it was nice knowing you, but you aren't much use anymore, are you?And if you disagree with all of the above statements, great! Politics takes money. If someone can't afford a lobbyist or a campaign, why do they deserve to have an opinion?Brilliant! 10/10! This, gentlemen, is how you troll!Actually, I really *would* like an answer.
Mathematics of Wonton Burrito Meals: cameroncrazy1984: Some nutball congressman called it the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history. Notwithstanding the fact that the poor already get healthcare and likely will not be taxed.Wait, the poor already get healthcare? Then why did we need to pass Obamacare?
The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.Here's the difference:You don't have to drive a car.
fisker: IS THIS the equivalent of having to pay for car insurance simply because a majority of people own cars even if I don't have one?Am I wrong in my understanding of what this Patient Protection Act is all about?
jlm0516: LordJiro: mediaho: AmazinTim: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hardYou must mean suck it everyone, now we'll never fix health care. We'll just keep patching scabby band-aids onto the issue, just like this bill.At least someone bothered with the band-aid when the wound has been festering open for nearly a century.This. A baby step forward is still a step forward. And as conservative Boomers die off, we might actually get to make more of those steps, until America catches up with the rest of the civilized world.From what i'm reading, the rest of the civilized world isn't doing to hot right not.
Thunderpipes: Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.
Shrugging Atlas: I just can't help but think the "Fartbongo Raised Taxes" herpa derp spin we're hearing now isn't going to fly, or we'd been hearing it daily from Republicans since the moment Obama signed the bill into law.I guess when it's all you got you still have to run with it, but I don't see that getting very far.
Weaver95: muck4doo: Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get ityou mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?As a fellow libertarian, I'm sure you must be cuming your shorts over news of more taxes. Isn't this an awesome day?it's not like I could have done anything to stop it...and ACA is a valid step towards fixing what we laughingly call our health care system. is it perfect? nope. is it needed? yup.
Tenga: Tune in to Rush Limbaugh today at noon.
Olympus Mons: Lets not forget that with more of us on, the cost should drop
Weaver95: Limbaugh: we all knew, taxes, taxes, forced to purchase, taxes. gloom/doom. Obama Obama, lies. Obamacare massive regressive tax on all americans, taxes taxes. lie. we were lied to, lies are bad. commerce clause, taxes, taxes.
Grables'Daughter: lousyskater: I didn't really care which way this went, but man I need to get some popcorn for this one. DIS GONNA BE GOOD.[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x423]Here.I made enough for everyone.: )
cameroncrazy1984: The My Little Pony Killer: Don't dodge the question. You said I have healthcare now. Through whom?I guess you've never heard of Medicaid? Or are you not actually poor, just "poor"
starsrift: As a Canadian, I'm very happy with this result. Tech companies were already preferring to start up in Canada because the health care is taxpayer-funded.Nothing has changed. In fact, more companies may prefer to outsource studios to Que? Nada because of the pressure to enroll employees in company healthcare in USA and the embarrassment if that's not an option.That's just something to think about. That said, this is baby steps, and for the good of everyone, I really do hope this is one step towards a single payer system. You guys are baby stepping to letting teh gays get married, baby stepping to this too. It's a good thing.
Vodka Zombie: Holy crap. Free Republic is starting to look like freakin' Alderan.So many voices crying out... So... much... pain!
Actor_au: I'm an Australian, my dad fell off his bicycle a few months ago and was in hospital for two months, ICU for a week and a brain injury recovery ward for six weeks.... The final bill for his time there would have been in the tens of thousands if we were in the US.
groininjury: The healthcare thing doesn't even matterWhat does matter, is now the US Government can force you to engage in commerce against your will with a 3rd party (with no limits), and cant take everything you own away from you, and throw you in jail forever, if you don't do it. There's also no legal recourse to contest it.The US is now a Totalitarian State.
Serious Black: The individual market. You can also look at the experience of voluntary high-risk pools to see the same effect there; the PCIP's per-capita costs are about double what government actuaries expected.
jso2897: The one that has us paying a lot more to insure 65% of our population than the citizens of 35 nations with higher rated healthcare pay to insure their entire populations. That "free market".
d3sertion: inner ted: d3sertion: inner ted:there is so much fail there, all in just two sentences./hint for you sherlock: most middle class will refuse it cause the CAN'T AFFORD IT.//the stupid, it hurts. too bad i can't afford insurance to get it looked at.What the hell are you talking about? Most middle class people don't have health insurance now? You need to check your facts, clown.even fewer will have it now when their employer drops their current coverage and they can't afford to buy it on their own.that's what the hell i'm talking about, clown.I was pointing out that most middle class americans do have health insurance, idiot. The most liberal estimates put the number at 40-50 million people who are uninsured, that is not "most" by any measure. And furthermore, have you not noticed health care insurance stocks going through the roof in the market right now? You're about the only one on the planet who thinks people are going to lose coverage because of this law. Certainly people with money and investment acumen disagree, probably a large number of conservatives I'd imagine.You need to read the bill and get briefed on the current situation in a bad way. Just because Obama did it doesn't mean it's bad for business.
Actor_au: I'm an Australian, my dad fell off his bicycle a few months ago and was in hospital for two months, ICU for a week and a brain injury recovery ward for six weeks. He had about four surgeries on his brain over that time, multiple scans and several operations on his broken bones as well as a dedicated nurse on hand while we was in ICU.Total cost to my family? $400 in parking costs at the hospital carpark(my mum drove herself to the hospital daily, I took a bus) and probably $80 in total from the Subway they had downstairs.My dad is home now, has a scan once a month so far and is going well. The scans are free.The airfares of family members coming to check up on him was more expensive than the cost of actually being in hospital to us. The final bill for his time there would have been in the tens of thousands if we were in the US.Socialised medicine farking rocks.
fisker: Let me get this straight.It's understandable that if I am driving my car without insurance I may be pulled over and penalized for it because I am using my car and reaping privileges that I am essentially not fully covered for by law. It makes sense.My question is this- If I am NOT getting regular medical care, hence never going to the doctor at all for anything, am I going to be essentially 'pulled over and penalized' for something I am not even doing?I can see that if I WAS going to the doctor and receiving treatment but not paying for the overall insurance or just the basic cost of medicine, THEN I would be penalized for it, but a lot of people have never been to the doctor. Some people NEVER go. They just die. It happens.IS THIS the equivalent of having to pay for car insurance simply because a majority of people own cars even if I don't have one?Am I wrong in my understanding of what this Patient Protection Act is all about?
Olympus Mons: I fear tough that they will just go on a say NO to everything orgy from this point on.
ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."
rigmort: My wife...
MasterThief: From SCOTUSBlog: "The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause [arguments in favor of the ACA] should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition."
The My Little Pony Killer: cameroncrazy1984: The My Little Pony Killer: Don't dodge the question. You said I have healthcare now. Through whom?I guess you've never heard of Medicaid? Or are you not actually poor, just "poor"Oh honey, the fact that you think I qualify for that is just laughable. So you're just living up to the "crazy" portion of your moniker today.Carry on with your crazy self.
Pincy: SandMann: So, any doctors thinking about moving their practices to another country? If so, which one? Early retirement? Career change?Why would doctors be upset by this? It gives them access to more patients because more people will be able to go to the doctor now.
someonelse: The Romney campaign has vastly overestimated the number of Americans who consider having health care insurance to be an attack on their freedom. They're about to find this out.
groininjury: What does matter, is now the US Government can force you to engage in commerce against your will with a 3rd party (with no limits)
fisker: IS THIS the equivalent of having to pay for car insurance simply because a majority of people own cars even if I don't have one?
unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"
Anti_illuminati: Still spewing horsesh:t, huh? How about addressing some issues others have pointed out with your ridiculous logic first?
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