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2012-06-28 12:02:45 PM
I just can't help but think the "Fartbongo Raised Taxes" herpa derp spin we're hearing now isn't going to fly, or we'd been hearing it daily from Republicans since the moment Obama signed the bill into law.

I guess when it's all you got you still have to run with it, but I don't see that getting very far.
 
2012-06-28 12:02:55 PM
So, any doctors thinking about moving their practices to another country? If so, which one? Early retirement? Career change?
 
2012-06-28 12:02:58 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: Romney "repeal and replace Obamacare" speech. Long on the former, no details on the latter.

Well, except that healthcare reform must include coverage for pre-existing conditions. Which Obamacare already has. Its like he is a logistics vampire and details are his garlic.


So, if nothing else, the health care act has nudged both sides toward some kind of universal coverage; there are lots of people who never would have moved toward that otherwise.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:04 PM

Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?


Oh...they were to be sure...but now the insurance have a "captive" audience.
/oligopoly for the win
 
2012-06-28 12:03:05 PM
www.vote29.com
 
2012-06-28 12:03:05 PM
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2012-06-28 12:03:06 PM
Of course the ACA is a giant giveaway to private insurance companies and seen in that light calling it socialist is extra stupid. That said, it's still better than what we had before.

RolandGunner
Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.

That seems like a fair assessment. People were perhaps justifiably concerned about the implications if the commerce clause was sufficient to uphold the mandate. The decision threads that needle.

ps69
He just killed teh freedoms.

sigh... she is quite possibly the dumbest public figure in the country. She's going for the world title.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:07 PM
So did I miss the Republican football-spiking party?

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-06-28 12:03:11 PM

bulldg4life: do you not know why health insurance and medical costs have been spiraling out of control for the past several decades?


Because of government mandates and restrictions on employer-based health insurance, along with a similar level of control over doctors and hospitals.

But, hey, double down on stupid if you want.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:28 PM

wraithmare: I love that Freeper posts calling for blood to be spilled and open revolution are being pulled by moderators. Why does the Free Republic hate the First Amendment?!?! WHAR MY RIGHTS??? WHAR???


They missed one.

FreeRepublic:America Crosses The Rubicon
Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:05:27 AM · by Wuli · 1 replies
June 28, 2012 | Wuli
In American history, June 28, 2012 is a day that will go down in infamy. The nation may have just crossed the Rubicon between the Liberty for which it was founded and social and political hell. Only the most massive citizen uprising since the revolution can set the record straight. Quit complaining, quit sitting on the sidelines watching and get working in any and every way you can. It's no longer up to the little dictators in judges robes, it's up to us.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:30 PM
I'm surprised by this ruling. I was expecting the law to be ruled unconstitutional and prepared for the back lash.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Some nutball congressman called it the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history. Notwithstanding the fact that the poor already get healthcare and likely will not be taxed.


Wait, the poor already get healthcare? Then why did we need to pass Obamacare?
 
2012-06-28 12:03:34 PM
Anyone mention that SCOTUS completely ignored the argument of Obama's lawyer? Right choice, but it looks dumb.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:44 PM

Daveism: Lernaeus: /looking forward to more "suck it" kindness and compassion from the left today

Keep hitting us with bricks and you expect hugs and kisses in return? fark you in the ass sideways with a screwdriver. How's that for kindness and compassion? Call us un-American, traitors, communists, and every other term you can think of to denigrate us? We're soldiers, nurses, police officers, emergency management officials and non-profit child welfare workers - and that's just in my damn immediate family.

WE'RE the ones expected to turn the other cheek? fark you. Your side clings to Jesus so much, where's the "turning of the cheek" that YOU'RE supposed to be so famous for? (also, didn't he have something to say about helping those less fortunate?)

Our kindness and compassion is reserved for those that actually deserve it.


Yep. Well said. "Oh, we're sorry we're so mean and scummy. No touchbacks!"
 
2012-06-28 12:04:20 PM

muck4doo: Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?

As a fellow libertarian, I'm sure you must be cuming your shorts over news of more taxes. Isn't this an awesome day?


it's not like I could have done anything to stop it...and ACA is a valid step towards fixing what we laughingly call our health care system. is it perfect? nope. is it needed? yup.
 
2012-06-28 12:04:34 PM

Serious Black: Aetna's stock is down 4.3% today. WellPoint's stock is down 6.45% today. UnitedHealth's stock is down 3% today. You think they're happy about the ruling?


Stock prices go up and down because of speculation. What you have is alot of people who bought based on the assumption that the ruling would be to overturn and prices would soar. The opposite is true and so now they are bailing.

What the insurance company thinks is irrelevant.
 
2012-06-28 12:04:34 PM

schattenteufel: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

lol. explain.


Because SOSHULIZM!
 
2012-06-28 12:04:37 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: SevenizGud: Great, now I get to buy health care insurance for another 16 million losers.

No, you get a tax increase.


not if he already has health insurance
or is in a really low income bracket that will be under the expanded medicare.
 
2012-06-28 12:04:47 PM

Phinn: Because of government mandates and restrictions on employer-based health insurance, along with a similar level of control over doctors and hospitals.


Yes, regulations and medical insurance premiums.

It doesn't have anything to do with the uninsured using the emergency room as a doctor's visit.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:08 PM

sweetmelissa31: muck4doo: w00t! More taxes! Hooray!

Are you outing yourself as one of the people whose ass we have to cover when you have an accident and expect treatment but didn't buy insurance?


No, I think this is awesome.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:14 PM

Stoker: [img836.imageshack.us image 500x510]


Actually, as I pointed out upthread, each of those companies' stocks are down a minimum of 3% as of now. They're losing money fast. They did not want this ruling.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:17 PM

mr lawson: Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?

Oh...they were to be sure...but now the insurance have a "captive" audience.
/oligopoly for the win


you mean insurance wasn't already a monopoly?
 
2012-06-28 12:05:20 PM

Aikidogamer: I find it interesting that sever-ability is now infered to be a part of legislation if it is not there...


Look up the SCOTUS ruling on Sarbanes-Oxley in 2010. Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board

Also
The guiding principle is this according to a report on statutory interpretation from the Congressional Research Service quoting a ruling in Alaska Airlines, Inc. v. Brock, 480 U.S. 678, 684 (1987) (quoting Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 108 (1976)). "Unless it is evident that the Legislature would not have enacted those provisions which are within its power, independently of that which is not, the invalid part may be dropped if what is left is fully operative as a law." link
Precedent going back 35 years. Not exactly a new development.

There were a lot of right-wing bloggers blogging about severability. As usual, they were best ignored.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:24 PM
To all the whiny conservatives talking about how this is THE TAX INCREASE OBAMA PROMISED HE'D NEVER DO!!!, I have to ask you...

Do you understand that generally liberals and Democrats don't see taxes as fundamentally the worst possible thing ever? That, of all the promises that could be broken, this one broken in this way really isn't that troubling? That we understand we're part of a society, and that we'll get a greater benefit through the effects of the law and the mandate than we would through NO TAXES AGAIN EVER? That we don't worship Grover Norquist, and that we realize that there are more important things out there, like public health and health insurance and health care reform to improve the massive privatized sinkhole it has become in the last few decades?
 
2012-06-28 12:05:32 PM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


Is that Walmart red your using?
 
2012-06-28 12:05:55 PM

Weaver95: muck4doo: Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?

As a fellow libertarian, I'm sure you must be cuming your shorts over news of more taxes. Isn't this an awesome day?

it's not like I could have done anything to stop it...and ACA is a valid step towards fixing what we laughingly call our health care system. is it perfect? nope. is it needed? yup.


Nope, not from the "libertarian" perspective, which is oddly the same as the GOP one, and goes something like this: "The Black Man wants to do something good for the U.S. He must be stopped at all costs."
 
2012-06-28 12:06:01 PM

Serious Black: The free market has already said that sick people can't be covered because there is no way to make voluntary coverage for them actuarially sound.


Which free market was that?
 
2012-06-28 12:06:03 PM
I had bet on a 5-4 overturn. I've never been happier to be wrong.

/Roberts??? Really??? Never would have thought it in a million years!
 
2012-06-28 12:06:10 PM

major_accuracy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]


Nice! Hit "smart" and "funny" for you friend. A rarity!
 
2012-06-28 12:06:13 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Sad how many people here are happy, not because the court ruling was good, but just because the Republicans "lost".

You guys really need to get a life.


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2012-06-28 12:06:16 PM

Mathematics of Wonton Burrito Meals: cameroncrazy1984: Some nutball congressman called it the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history. Notwithstanding the fact that the poor already get healthcare and likely will not be taxed.

Wait, the poor already get healthcare? Then why did we need to pass Obamacare?


Because there are people other than "the poor" who don't?

Also, it's health insurance, not health care.
 
2012-06-28 12:06:21 PM

WombatControl: And all this bullshiat being spewed about the "profit motive" is crap - free markets work because they assume rational self interest.


Sorry, but health care doesn't belong in a rational free market. Most people don't decide that they want to get sick, they just do. There is no self-interest involved because you don't get to choose if you want to get sick. Trying to apply free market principles to health care is ridiculous.
 
2012-06-28 12:06:42 PM

WombatControl: In a system like the one Canada has, you couldn't get that care at all without going to the black market. Finally, the Canadian Supreme Court struck that system down as a gross violation of human rights.


You know how I know you don't no anything about the Supreme Court decision?

There is no "black market" in Canada. Effectively the Supreme Court ruled that you cannot ban private medical insurance for basic health care. The fear (of most Canadians) is that this will open the door to a two-tier health care system and it will become more screwed up like the US.

Canada's health care system:

1) longer lives
2) fewer infant moralities
3) less amenable deaths
4) half the cost
5) universal
6) we cling to it like a Southerner clings to the 2nd Amendment
 
2012-06-28 12:06:46 PM

Martycrane: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n ews/2900394/posts


How about this gem from FR?

"This is no different than when the Supreme Court upheld slavery, and condemned people to slavery based on the color of their skin.

Now, they have upheld slavery of the ENTIRE American people to the Government, by saying that it is constitutional for EVERY American to be FORCED into a purchase agreement."
 
2012-06-28 12:06:49 PM

major_accuracy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]


Awesome
 
2012-06-28 12:06:53 PM
And here...we...go! Limbaugh is starting.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:01 PM

major_accuracy: [24.media.tumblr.com image 640x513]


I seriously lol'd.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:04 PM

wildstarr: So I am taking volunteers from all of you who supported this to either a) pay my tax for being uninsured or b) pay for my insurance.

Whatever you want. I'll let you decide.


We were paying for your emergency room visits before, time for you to pony up a bit of your costs. Personal responsibility, right?
 
2012-06-28 12:07:10 PM

cman: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

And I bet ya Kos is having the biggest orgasm


It must suck for you to learn that poor people are in danger of getting adequate health care
 
2012-06-28 12:07:15 PM

MurphyMurphy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Wow. He really sucks at this.

Assuming you mean rmoney, I sincerely wanted to listen to what he had to say.

I'm not sure if it was the manufactured and intentional derp, or that he has evolved some ability to make my attention drift just with teh sound of his voice, but yeah... he really sucks at this.

Him and John Kerry should do books on tape. I could throw my Ambien in the trash.


Literally months to prepare for a high visibility speech and...just the same tired crap.

I think he really expects to win just because he played by the rules and it's his turn.

He just gets weirder and weirder.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:15 PM
jso2897
"Along with Roe V. Wade and the Civil Rights Act, right, Cletus?
Yeah - any day now.
Keep telling yourself that"



The difference there Jethro is those laws did not take a chunk of change out of the average persons wallet. This will.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:25 PM

inner ted: d3sertion: inner ted:
there is so much fail there, all in just two sentences.

/hint for you sherlock: most middle class will refuse it cause the CAN'T AFFORD IT.
//the stupid, it hurts. too bad i can't afford insurance to get it looked at.

What the hell are you talking about? Most middle class people don't have health insurance now? You need to check your facts, clown.

even fewer will have it now when their employer drops their current coverage and they can't afford to buy it on their own.

that's what the hell i'm talking about, clown.


I was pointing out that most middle class americans do have health insurance, idiot. The most liberal estimates put the number at 40-50 million people who are uninsured, that is not "most" by any measure. And furthermore, have you not noticed health care insurance stocks going through the roof in the market right now? You're about the only one on the planet who thinks people are going to lose coverage because of this law. Certainly people with money and investment acumen disagree, probably a large number of conservatives I'd imagine.

You need to read the bill and get briefed on the current situation in a bad way. Just because Obama did it doesn't mean it's bad for business.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:28 PM

SandMann: So, any doctors thinking about moving their practices to another country? If so, which one? Early retirement? Career change?


Why would doctors be upset by this? It gives them access to more patients because more people will be able to go to the doctor now.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:52 PM
Why can't all the poor people who cannot otherwise afford their own health care just ummm...I don't know...stop being poor!!
 
2012-06-28 12:07:53 PM
I'm an Australian, my dad fell off his bicycle a few months ago and was in hospital for two months, ICU for a week and a brain injury recovery ward for six weeks. He had about four surgeries on his brain over that time, multiple scans and several operations on his broken bones as well as a dedicated nurse on hand while we was in ICU.
Total cost to my family? $400 in parking costs at the hospital carpark(my mum drove herself to the hospital daily, I took a bus) and probably $80 in total from the Subway they had downstairs.

My dad is home now, has a scan once a month so far and is going well. The scans are free.
The airfares of family members coming to check up on him was more expensive than the cost of actually being in hospital to us. The final bill for his time there would have been in the tens of thousands if we were in the US.

Socialised medicine farking rocks.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:59 PM

Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.


Umm, your profile says you were in the military, who do you think paid for that and your healthcare? Also, it says you live in Mississippi, you're already part of a welfare state so who cares?
 
2012-06-28 12:08:01 PM
My wife is an underwriting manager. She said that yes, they won't be able to turn you down or rider out for a previous condition or other reason.... but there's nothing that says they can't charge whatever they want. They are now being forced to "insure" against future problems AND current ones. Do you really think they won't cover their own asses?

PREMIUMS WILL GO UPBIGTIME FOR EVERYONE.
 
2012-06-28 12:08:02 PM

Phinn: Serious Black: The free market has already said that sick people can't be covered because there is no way to make voluntary coverage for them actuarially sound.

Which free market was that?


The individual market. You can also look at the experience of voluntary high-risk pools to see the same effect there; the PCIP's per-capita costs are about double what government actuaries expected.
 
2012-06-28 12:08:06 PM
Limbaugh: we've been deceived, taxes, taxes, gloom/doom. taxes taxes. Obama lied. taxes taxes. hellbound taxes. taxes.
 
2012-06-28 12:08:35 PM

Weaver95: ACA is a valid step towards fixing


No...no it is not. lol
It is the WORST way.
Some markets do not work under "free market" conditions.
Health care via Insurance is one of them.
 
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