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2012-06-28 11:58:31 AM

SisterMaryElephant: Freepers: Benedict Arnold Roberts


HA HA HA HA HA


Don't they mean "Benedict Arnold Hussein Fartbongo Hitler Bob Roberts"?
 
2012-06-28 11:58:45 AM
major_accuracy

Congratulations!! You just won the internet.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:48 AM
Mitt Romney is currently lying his robotic ass off on my TV right now. YOU DID THE SAME THING IN MASSACHUSETTS, YOU SWIZZLESTICK. What did he think "Romneycare" was? The nickname Ann gave for his dick? For fark's sake.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:53 AM
LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it
 
2012-06-28 11:58:54 AM

bulldg4life: Bachmann just corrected Blitzer in saying that the democrats used reconciliation to pass the bill. So a GOP majority in the House and Senate with Romney as president will overturn Obamacare.

Of course, reconciliation will be tough when any future bill will cause certain budgetary consequences disallowing the use of reconciliation. Good luck with that.

Bachmann says Obama must go! We don't want to be like Europe!


Maybe she should run for Presi--oh wait! She did, and SUCKED AT IT!

/Fark the mewling quim!
 
2012-06-28 11:59:11 AM

Phinn: Paying for services to the indigent would have cost a lot less than this mess will cost.


uh...do you not know why health insurance and medical costs have been spiraling out of control for the past several decades?

/I'm looking forward to the forced exercise portion of the "tax," though.

I know! Look at all the other countries with such policies.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:12 AM
Romney "repeal and replace Obamacare" speech. Long on the former, no details on the latter.

Well, except that healthcare reform must include coverage for pre-existing conditions. Which Obamacare already has. Its like he is a logistics vampire and details are his garlic.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:14 AM

Sabyen91: drgloryboy: Medicaid doesn't pay well and most family docs don't accept it.

Interesting. When I was on Medicaid my family doc accepted it. And anybody else in network.


That was my mom's experience as well. Was. Until California privatized it.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:18 AM

Lorelle: *cries tears of joy*

/is pushing 50
//has a pre-existing condition
///can't afford a health care plan right now


.
.
Have no fear. Once we throw your lazy arse in jail for not paying your "tax" you'll have all of the coverage you could ever desire.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:23 AM
Well now, congratulations to the real Americans.

And for the rest of you treasonous neoconservatives who cry like little b*tches about paying your f*cking taxes like any other adult, you can go eat sh*t.

The only reason you're against Obama is because you're too stupid to know when you're working against your own best interests.

If you don't like what's going on in this country, then LEAVE.

Roberts. I'll be damned. Nice one, man.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:24 AM

Aikidogamer: I find it interesting that sever-ability is now infered to be a part of legislation if it is not there...


It wasn't inferred. The court never reached the point where severability was an issue, because the mandate had enough votes to be upheld.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:25 AM

chiett: It WILL be repealed.



It's just a matter of time.


Oh you.

It's passed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches of government. It is a law. It's not going away.

I'm sorry that upsets you. I was pretty upset when we invaded Iraq for no reason.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:37 AM

Weaver95: Romney is blatantly lying again....


Surprised?
 
2012-06-28 11:59:41 AM
What happened to AmazinTim's "You must mean suck it everyone..." comment? Was he voting it up w/ alts, was it outright censored, or what?
 
2012-06-28 11:59:42 AM

mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it


you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?
 
2012-06-28 11:59:44 AM
Somewhere, Lee Greenwood is crying.
 
2012-06-28 11:59:54 AM

Coco LaFemme: Mitt Romney is currently lying his robotic ass off on my TV right now. YOU DID THE SAME THING IN MASSACHUSETTS, YOU SWIZZLESTICK. What did he think "Romneycare" was? The nickname Ann gave for his dick? For fark's sake.


I like reminding frothy mouthed Republitartds of that, and they get all "but, but, but...".
 
2012-06-28 12:00:13 PM

Serious Black: You know, our system also rations care. We just happen to ration it by telling people who can't afford it that they don't get anything at all rather than anything approaching sanity in terms of what care will actually, you know, help people.


PRICES ARE NOT RATIONING

Oh, I guess Apple is "rationing" the new MacBook Pro because it costs so much. And we "ration" food. And gas. And housing. So I suppose that totally justifies a command economy, because according to you if it's not free it's "rationed."

I'm not a defender of the health care status quo, but there's a difference between an insurer denying coverage for care and a government doing it. For one, if an insurer does it, you can still get the care. You just have to find a way of paying for it, which is far too difficult, but not impossible.

In a system like the one Canada has, you couldn't get that care at all without going to the black market. Finally, the Canadian Supreme Court struck that system down as a gross violation of human rights.

And all this bullshiat being spewed about the "profit motive" is crap - free markets work because they assume rational self interest. Socialized systems fail because they assume that central planners are immune to making irrational or counterproductive systems. That simply isn't true, and that's one of the reasons that central planning inevitably fails.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:18 PM

bhcompy: you need help: I will never go to the doctor in my lifetime, so this is nothing but butthurt for me.

But if you chose to skip health coverage, it would be more than butthurt. I've opted out of healthcare previously simply because my company will pay me a special bonus for opting out, because they still save money after the bonus. Nothing has changed for them, but now I cannot do that anymore.


I dropped health coverage several years ago and planned to never pay for it again in my life. It sounds like my best option come 2014 is to make sure that I owe taxes at the end of the year so they can't take anything from me.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:19 PM
Obama Cares.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:22 PM

Coco LaFemme: Mitt Romney is currently lying his robotic ass off on my TV right now. YOU DID THE SAME THING IN MASSACHUSETTS, YOU SWIZZLESTICK. What did he think "Romneycare" was? The nickname Ann gave for his dick? For fark's sake.


I have disagreements with the president but that fark stick got me to goto the president's website and donate. So it served some purpose lol.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:24 PM

mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it


Not just through the roof, but Through the roof? Wow.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:26 PM
Either way this could have gone, my conservative in-laws would have been insufferable. At least with this outcome, I can smile to myself about their butthurt.

If only we had some kind of meaningful healthcare reform a couple of decades ago, I think my "uninsurable" sister would still be alive today.

/haz a bit of the sad now
 
2012-06-28 12:00:29 PM

MythDragon: [www.google.com image 270x185]

Well, since we just moved that border all the way down to Mexico, I guess I better stock up on moose quarters so I can buy poutine.


In Canada insurance buys you.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:29 PM
edge.ebaumsworld.com
"I don't know what 'butthurt' means."
 
2012-06-28 12:00:32 PM

Weaver95: well that was weird and uncomfortable...Romney actually almost showed a valid emotional response on live TV.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 12:00:37 PM

david_gaithersburg: Once we throw your lazy arse in jail for not paying your "tax"


Go look at the specific penalty in the bill again.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:48 PM

Joe Blowme: So when your company sees it cheaper to pay the fine and not offer you that HC package, will you still be dancing in the streets?


I wish the law would've eliminates employer health plans completely.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:49 PM
Meh. We survived in Massachusetts after "Romneycare". The country will go on after "Obamacare".

Seriously, what's the big deal? Don't want insurance? Pay the tax! You are mandated to have homeowners/car/flood insurance, so what's wrong with health insurance?

In all honestly, when the Romney got his health insurance mandate passed in MA, I kinda freaked for a bit (b/c I had been working temp jobs which did not offer health insurance), but then realized I was just going to get back a little less when it came to my state tax refund. I eventually got a job where health insurance was offered and ended up bringing in less per year b/c the health insurance was more expensive than paying the tax. I was ok with that, b/c I would rather have health insurance than not.

Is it perfect? No. But will it eventually work itself out? Yes. And I truly believe that the pros outweigh the cons on this.
 
2012-06-28 12:00:59 PM
I just got denied for individual health insurance because 3 years ago I went to a psychiatrist and took Zoloft for 3 months, so I'm getting a kick....

I got diagnosed with "Major Depressive Disorder", and apparently that is an automatic 10 year denial. Also, it doesn't help the depression to find out you have a "disorder" and that it's "Major". I lobby we change that diagnosis to "Sad for a little bit because my girlfriend is a cheating whore".
 
2012-06-28 12:01:03 PM
So there will be a 1% tax on people who don't have health insurance?

Will that money used to bail out banks that go under when people don't pay their mortgages because they filed for bankruptcy because they didn't have health insurance?
 
2012-06-28 12:01:14 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Wow. He really sucks at this.


Assuming you mean rmoney, I sincerely wanted to listen to what he had to say.

I'm not sure if it was the manufactured and intentional derp, or that he has evolved some ability to make my attention drift just with teh sound of his voice, but yeah... he really sucks at this.

Him and John Kerry should do books on tape. I could throw my Ambien in the trash.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:15 PM

FinFangFark: Moss Covered Three Handled Middle Class Are Farked Gredunza


You, my friend, are the best ever.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:24 PM

Anti_illuminati: Weaver95: Romney is blatantly lying again....

Surprised?


well no, not really.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:24 PM

Thunderpipes: Yes, it is. Driving, drinking, they are all voluntary. You can choose to not do it. Can't choose not to exist. Plenty of crunchies only ride bikes and get away with not contributing to the state transportation funds or the federal gasoline tax.


Wow you fail. Getting health insurance is still optional. It just costs money to avoid it. They can't force you to do the speed limit, but they can sure charge you money for going over it. The freeway speed limit actually has less to do with public safety than gas prices, so the Federal Government strong arming the states into conforming re: speed limits was more about price/market management than anything else. There are costs associated with behavior that the State or Federal government don't approve of. How is this new again?
 
2012-06-28 12:01:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: Sabyen91: drgloryboy: Medicaid doesn't pay well and most family docs don't accept it.

Interesting. When I was on Medicaid my family doc accepted it. And anybody else in network.

That was my mom's experience as well. Was. Until California privatized it.


You have to be in a PPO in Wisconsin so I guess it is semi-privatized. All Mercy providers take Mercy. All docs that take Unity take the Unity medicaid. Etc.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:33 PM

Weaver95: well that was weird and uncomfortable...Romney actually almost showed a valid emotional response on live TV.


Uncanny valley.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:33 PM

muck4doo: w00t! More taxes! Hooray!


Are you outing yourself as one of the people whose ass we have to cover when you have an accident and expect treatment but didn't buy insurance?
 
2012-06-28 12:01:41 PM

dennysgod: inner ted: Kuroshin: MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.

Not mine. I have health insurance.

So yeah, not really.

/a really weird way of doing things - punitive taxation...

uh ya, really

i have health insurance now through my employer. it is a small company, less than 20 people.

now they are going to drop our insurance cause they can't afford it.

so now i get to buy a product only where my government allows, where ever I want, or get taxed if i don't.

/the lib jack off fest here is priceless in it's ignorance.

//what's the lib equivalent of a tea-bagger??

You can get what ever health insurance you want. If you are too lazy deal with the hassle of finding you own you can sign up for the Exchange program and they'll find you one.

Also did you know that this tax only comes in to play during tax time (it's not taken out of each pay check), it's just a yes/no box on your tax form. There's no real legal ramification defined (ie no tax liens or criminal penalties) and nobody is checking the millions and millions of people that they in fact have insurance or don't so you can just simply lie on the tax form. Also there are so many ways to get out of it with a clear conscience, you can even use religious beliefs as an excused to get out of paying.


that is fine information you shared, thanks!

but how can i get 'whatever insurance i like' when i can't shop out of state? (real question)

you say though that this only comes into play during tax time, not all year. that's all swell and good, but if the fine is big enough, what does it matter?

as to them following up with all the people to make sure they have insurance - i hope you are correct, cause that seems a pretty tall order. though i suppose it will 'create jobs'...??

thanks for having rational discussion.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:42 PM

coeyagi: Somewhere, Lee Greenwood is crying.


As long as he's not singing.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:49 PM

Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?


The invisible hand of the free market has been keeping them competitive. Didn't you hear?
 
2012-06-28 12:01:52 PM
Poor Romney. He looks like a President in photographs, but when he talks he looks and sounds like a whiny and petulant little biatch.

But it's a good thing he has a plan to fix everything. First he's going to repeal the Affordable Care Act, except for the good parts that he agrees with (but for some reason he can't say exactly which parts he's going to keep), and then he's going to pass something else (but for some reason he can't say exactly what something else is). Yep, what strong convictions and bold leadership.
 
2012-06-28 12:01:59 PM

Weaver95: well that was weird and uncomfortable...Romney actually almost showed a valid emotional response on live TV.


They've gotten some of the kinks out of the emotion chip.
 
2012-06-28 12:02:01 PM

david_gaithersburg: Lorelle: *cries tears of joy*

/is pushing 50
//has a pre-existing condition
///can't afford a health care plan right now

.
.
Have no fear. Once we throw your lazy arse in jail for not paying your "tax" you'll have all of the coverage you could ever desire.


Thank you. All the jingoism of the Right without any of the facts they aren't known for.
 
2012-06-28 12:02:03 PM
 
2012-06-28 12:02:03 PM

mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it


They weren't already? DAMN YOU FARTBONGO!

Seriously, keep driving up premiums, and watch support for true single payer build.
 
2012-06-28 12:02:21 PM
i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 12:02:22 PM
Does anyone know the condition of Darth Cheney's alleged heart?
 
2012-06-28 12:02:25 PM

WombatControl: Serious Black: You know, our system also rations care. We just happen to ration it by telling people who can't afford it that they don't get anything at all rather than anything approaching sanity in terms of what care will actually, you know, help people.

PRICES ARE NOT RATIONING

Oh, I guess Apple is "rationing" the new MacBook Pro because it costs so much. And we "ration" food. And gas. And housing. So I suppose that totally justifies a command economy, because according to you if it's not free it's "rationed."

I'm not a defender of the health care status quo, but there's a difference between an insurer denying coverage for care and a government doing it. For one, if an insurer does it, you can still get the care. You just have to find a way of paying for it, which is far too difficult, but not impossible.

In a system like the one Canada has, you couldn't get that care at all without going to the black market. Finally, the Canadian Supreme Court struck that system down as a gross violation of human rights.

And all this bullshiat being spewed about the "profit motive" is crap - free markets work because they assume rational self interest. Socialized systems fail because they assume that central planners are immune to making irrational or counterproductive systems. That simply isn't true, and that's one of the reasons that central planning inevitably fails.


What rational self-interest is there in spending millions of dollars in curing somebody's cancer when that person will never be able to afford it? The free market has already said that sick people can't be covered because there is no way to make voluntary coverage for them actuarially sound.
 
2012-06-28 12:02:29 PM

Weaver95: mr lawson: LOL...... Premiums are going to go Through the roof!

/be careful what you wish for, ya might just get it

you mean that premiums weren't going to go up all on their own anyway?


As a fellow libertarian, I'm sure you must be cuming your shorts over news of more taxes. Isn't this an awesome day?
 
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