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2012-06-28 11:54:44 AM

The_Sponge: Newsflash: There are people who make under $250K per year who don't have health insurance.


Newsflash: Not anymore.
 
2012-06-28 11:54:51 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


Wait a minute, those bastards are doing away with Freedom of Choice?

That was, like, Devo's most successful album!

THEY CAN'T DO THAT!

www.infobarrel.com
 
2012-06-28 11:55:06 AM
Republicans blaming......Bush for Roberts?
 
2012-06-28 11:55:07 AM

Lorelle: *cries tears of joy*

/is pushing 50
//has a pre-existing condition
///can't afford a health care plan right now


This is what we were trying to accomplish. Americans help their fellow citizens, not throw them to the wolves.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:07 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


Large print? Check.
Colored print? Check.
Obsession with junk food? Check.
Libertarian.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:08 AM
It WILL be repealed.



It's just a matter of time.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:09 AM
You know what would be really epic? Obama giving a shout out to Rmoney, saying that today would not have been possible without his leadership in Massachusetts.

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2012-06-28 11:55:10 AM
lol, Rmoney's talking now!

"obamacare" x90000

i thin kthere are other words in his speech, but they are way outnumbered and losing the fight.

OBAMACARE
 
2012-06-28 11:55:16 AM

Sabyen91: drgloryboy: zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes

This will mean you will be waiting for six hours because now everyone will at least have Medicaid insurance that no primary care doctors will take. This means 20 million more people will be going to the ER for both non-emergent concerns and for emergent conditions that they normally wouldn't have gone to the ER before the mandate for fear of going bankrupt. As an ER doc I will no longer be required to provide government mandated charity care as we as a nation will pay for those unable to afford insurance and will require those who can afford insurance to have it. Looks like I won't be having a problem staying busy at work.

I refuse to believe you are a doctor. Ohhhh, ER doctor. Actually, this means more people will be able to go to their family doctor rather than rely on the ER.


Medicaid doesn't pay well and most family docs don't accept it. Take the pepsi challenge and randomly call some doctors offices in your area and ask them if they accept medicaid insurance.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:31 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: Two Free Republic headlines got the outcome wrong. The comments are hilarious as they go from smug to petulant as they realize it was wrong:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2900385/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2900380/posts


"This thread has been pulled. Reason: pulled."

Freeperville: The North Korea of the Internet.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:32 AM
brobdiggy

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


dude, free refills. Fill that 22 ozer up 3 times.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:37 AM
(reposted from Osama bin Laden thread, not mine)

I'd be very afraid if I were Michelle Obama's vagina right now.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:38 AM
Oh, Romney is lying his ass off.

Again.

/joe wilson nowhere in sight.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:39 AM
w00t! More taxes! Hooray!
 
2012-06-28 11:55:42 AM

bulldg4life: If you don't have health insurance and go to a hospital, we already pay for your health care.


Paying for services to the indigent would have cost a lot less than this mess will cost.

/I'm looking forward to the forced exercise portion of the "tax," though.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:42 AM
I find it interesting that sever-ability is now infered to be a part of legislation if it is not there...
 
2012-06-28 11:55:49 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


Then you vote people in who do not institute such policies, or revert them if passed.

Democracy: how does it work?
 
2012-06-28 11:55:51 AM

bulldg4life: wildstarr: So I am taking volunteers from all of you who supported this to either a) pay my tax for being uninsured or b) pay for my insurance.

Whatever you want. I'll let you decide.

If you don't have health insurance and go to a hospital, we already pay for your health care.


Him that's funny. Last time I went to the hospital I paid for it. Now I gotta pay for shait when I don't go to the hospital.
 
2012-06-28 11:55:58 AM
If I talk in a big bold font, it means I'm right and everyone should listen to me
 
2012-06-28 11:56:12 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


The red makes it true.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:17 AM
Hooray for taxes!!!

Heh, I can't believe ya'all even vote anymore
 
2012-06-28 11:56:19 AM

Jackson Herring: Jackpot777: * shakes tiny impotent fist of rage *

I work fast. How do you think I've had so much TF without paying for it? It's not JUST sexual favors.


mrshowrules: bulldg4life: Bachmann just corrected Blitzer in saying that the democrats used reconciliation to pass the bill. So a GOP majority in the House and Senate with Romney as president will overturn Obamacare.

Of course, reconciliation will be tough when any future bill will cause certain budgetary consequences disallowing the use of reconciliation. Good luck with that.

Bachmann says Obama must go! We don't want to be like Europe!

Mandatory list of health care system by Country:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
.
.
.
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America


This line is meant for people that would never travel to Europe. It's like with the North Koreans: the conservative masses believe what they're told to believe, because they're never going to find out the truth anyway.

/going to see the single-manned canoe slalom semis, final, and medals at the end of July
//go go Casey Eichfeld, PA represent!
 
2012-06-28 11:56:20 AM

Serious Black: Aetna's stock is down 4.3% today. WellPoint's stock is down 6.45% today. UnitedHealth's stock is down 3% today. You think they're happy about the ruling?


How is their stock down on the news that they will be getting a shiatload of new customers? Darn you Baggin Saggin Barry Obama.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:23 AM

Dorf11: "The supreme court upheld Obama Care. That's it. I'm moving to Canada!"


jayhawk88: Via Phil Plait's Twitter: People moving to Canada to avoid ObamaCare.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 11:56:25 AM
Romney is blatantly lying again....
 
2012-06-28 11:56:25 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


Yes because all of those things have happened (none actually) in Countries that have had single payer for 50 to 70 years. Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:30 AM
Quick everyone change their font color so people will read your posts?

/DNRTP
 
2012-06-28 11:56:32 AM

FirstNationalBastard: MythDragon: pudding7: Wow. Did not see nazi that coming.

Fixed.

You know who else forced unwanted medical care on people?

Mitt Romney?


Jesus.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:42 AM

ialdabaoth: Actually, I really *would* like an answer.


Notsureifserious, but since you asked so nicely, the short answer is, because whether or not a person deserves to live has nothing whatsoever to do with how much money they own in the first place.

I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of dividing humanity into "those who deserve to live" and "those who don't," but if I had to, then I'd start off with something pretty easy like "Has he ever murdered anyone?" and maybe work my way up to more subjective criteria like "What has she done to make the world a better place?"

I'm not sure how else to answer your question, but you asked, so enjoy.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:43 AM
how long before Scalia's head asplodes?
 
2012-06-28 11:56:44 AM

Jjaro: Well, it is. Just ask all the people on my Facebook feed who posted things like "This ruling just led me to donate $100 to Romney." They are speaking with their wallet.


So their response is to give money to the man who implemented the plan on which ObamaCare is based? 'k.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:50 AM

From the ruling:


4. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Part III-C, concluding that the individual mandate may beupheld as within Congress's power under the Taxing Clause. Pp. 33-
44.
(a) The Affordable Care Act describes the "[s]hared responsibilitypayment" as a "penalty," not a "tax." That label is fatal to the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. It does not, however, control whether an exaction is within Congress's power to tax. In answering that constitutional question, this Court follows a functional approach,"[d]isregarding the designation of the exaction, and viewing its substance and application." United States v. Constantine, 296 U. S. 287,
294. Pp. 33-35.
(b) Such an analysis suggests that the shared responsibility payment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax. The payment is not so high that there is really no choice but to buy healthinsurance; the payment is not limited to willful violations, as penalties for unlawful acts often are; and the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation. Cf. Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co., 259 U. S. 20, 36-37. None of this is to say that payment is not intended to induce the purchase of health insurance. But the mandate need not be read to declare that failing to do so is unlawful. Neither the Affordable Care Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS. And Congress's choice of language-stating that individuals "shall" obtain insurance or pay a "penalty"-does not require reading §5000A as punishing unlawful conduct. It may also be read as imposing a tax on those who go without insurance. See New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144, 169-174. Pp. 35-40.


Fascinating.

Basically, what he's saying is, it's not a tax when you consider whether or not the government can be sued over it (Anti-Injunction Act), but it IS a tax when you consider whether or not the government can do it.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:52 AM
Romeny: "ObamaCare failed. We need to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions can get coverage"
 
2012-06-28 11:56:52 AM

jayhawk88: Via Phil Plait's Twitter: People moving to Canada to avoid ObamaCare.


That's hilarious. Lots of people claim "I'm moving to Canada" over some issue or other, but stop about the time they realize that moving requires a lot of work and the issue they're so upset over isn't as big a deal as they first thought.
 
2012-06-28 11:56:54 AM

illegal.tender: brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.

Then you vote people in who do not institute such policies, or revert them if passed.

Democracy: how does it work?


You roll over and accept his team's demands, or Communism.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:05 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-28 11:57:15 AM

The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.


Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.


You don't have to work from home either. I get a sh:t-ton more back in taxes because I work from home rather than going into our company's home office. Because you choice not to work from home, you do not get to collect on this tax break ergo, you are "taxed" more that I am.

Same applies to health insurance. I have health insurance - I chose to. You don't. I collect a tax benefit at the end of the year, while you do not. Same difference.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:16 AM

The_Sponge: Gwendolyn: I never saw the difference between the federal government saying I must have health care and Maryland requiring me to have car insurance. I'm sure it is in some way but we get told we have to do things all the time.


Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.


There is also difference between a car and medical care. One of them is used by everyone in the country at some point in their lifetime.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:20 AM

Jackpot777: This line is meant for people that would never travel to Europe. It's like with the North Koreans: the conservative masses believe what they're told to believe, because they're never going to find out the truth anyway.

/going to see the single-manned canoe slalom semis, final, and medals at the end of July
//go go Casey Eichfeld, PA represent!


You should never judge people until you meet them. That's what they do in Russia.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:27 AM
Freepers: Benedict Arnold Roberts


HA HA HA HA HA
 
2012-06-28 11:57:33 AM

jayhawk88: Via Phil Plait's Twitter: People moving to Canada to avoid ObamaCare.


Oh wow...that is too damn funny...
 
2012-06-28 11:57:46 AM

Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.


If that's what you want, go right ahead. I think you'll find that it's not the wine and roses you think.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:48 AM

drgloryboy: Medicaid doesn't pay well and most family docs don't accept it.


Interesting. When I was on Medicaid my family doc accepted it. And anybody else in network.
 
2012-06-28 11:57:56 AM
well that was weird and uncomfortable...Romney actually almost showed a valid emotional response on live TV.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:02 AM
Wow. He really sucks at this.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:08 AM

chiett: It WILL be repealed.



It's just a matter of time.


Along with Roe V. Wade and the Civil Rights Act, right, Cletus?
Yeah - any day now.
Keep telling yourself that.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:08 AM

cman: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

And I bet ya Kos is having the biggest orgasm


I'd rather have an orgasm than a meltdown.
 
2012-06-28 11:58:13 AM
Do you think the IRS is upset that they now have one more thing to check on ALL tax filings?
 
2012-06-28 11:58:22 AM

brobdiggy: It amazes me that so many of you think this is a great thing. It's just the government getting its foot in the door to have even greater power.

1. Government makes everyone have health care, and starts to pay for many more people's health care.
2. Government realizes this actually will increase the cost of health care. Needs to reign in costs.
3. Government tells people "We pay for your health care, so we can dictate your health".
4. Government bans Cheetos, DQ Blizzards, and King Size Candy Bars.

// this has already started with the large soda bans.
// so much for freedom of choice.


So don't end up having no DQ Blizzards, get DirecTV?!?
 
2012-06-28 11:58:22 AM

sweetmelissa31: The_Sponge: Here's the difference:

You don't have to drive a car.

You don't have to live.

No, seriously, you don't.



I would have gone with "you don't have to be an American"
 
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