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2012-06-28 11:42:16 AM  
i276.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 11:42:18 AM  
From over in Freeper land:

Stocks, Gold, Oil - All Crashing in wake of Obamacare Decision (US Economy, RIP)

Gold going down? Doesn't that mean that the U. S. dollar is stronger?

Oil going down? Isn't this a good thing?

Stocks... meh.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:21 AM  

MasterThief: Seems like the left got the result they wanted (law and mandate upheld), while the right got the reasoning they wanted (Congress doesn't get a blank check to pass laws under the commerce/necessary and proper clauses, and can't force states to comply with a federal regulation by threatening existing federal funding.)

I'm not happy that Roberts fell for a bait-and-switch on the tax argument, but aside from that, not much to criticize. And just because a law is Constitutional doesn't mean it's a good idea.


Yeah, that's my reading too (although there's a lot of material to wade through).

If the Commerce Clause arguments had been upheld, that would have been a disaster. At least the Court didn't open that particular Pandora's box.

Just getting to the dissents now - those should be interesting...
 
2012-06-28 11:42:29 AM  

jodaveki: Insurance can't be cheaper unless

1) Preventive measures are moneterily incentivized for policy holders

2) Procedures' & medications' prices are controlled

3) Insurance companies are run like non-profits so that admin/exec/ marketing expenditures are


4) They broaden their risk pool by enrolling tens of thousands of more clients. The more people in a given pool, generally, the better the margin calculation for risk management and therefore smaller premiums for everyone across the board.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:43 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Here's a clue: health insurance is not health care. All "universal" or "single-payer" systems work by rationing care. You want treatment for your rare cancer? Some government bureaucrat will determine that the treatment isn't cost effective, and you will either die waiting for it, or you'll never be given the chance.


Sort of like what happens now with my insurance company?
 
2012-06-28 11:42:44 AM  

FlashHarry: i love how weak the "it's a tax! obama said no taxes!" talking point is. obama can still say that he disagrees with the wording of the decision - that, like four of the justices, he believes that the mandate is constitutional under the commerce clause. but it's all moot. obamacare stands. this is a HUGE victory for the president.


Yeah, they'll strain something if they keep stretching like that.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:46 AM  

FlashHarry: i love how weak the "it's a tax! obama said no taxes!" talking point is. obama can still say that he disagrees with the wording of the decision - that, like four of the justices, he believes that the mandate is constitutional under the commerce clause. but it's all moot. obamacare stands. this is a HUGE victory for the president.


...that's why I think the GOP is gonna go apeshiat for the rest of today. Limbaugh launches in about 20-ish minutes or so, and I'm pretty much mandated to catch his opening rant. that'll give me a preview of what the GOP shills will be vomiting up all over the politics tab later this evening (and all of tomorrow too for that matter). I think the Republicans are still trying to come up with a talking point for this decision so it's gonna be a biatchaotic until the GOP groupmind comes to a consensus on the approved lies/propaganda on Obamacare.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:46 AM  

bhcompy: InmanRoshi: And as a mortal human being you are eventually going to get sick and die, and if you were uninsured those costs would have been covered by the insured.

You were simply gambling (with other people's money) that was going to happen later rather than sooner. I shed no tears for you, and you get no sympathy from me.

Yes, because no one takes responsibility for their own actions. I forget, this is America.

/I'm a healthy male in my 20s and get routine checkups, there is no reason for me to spend the outrageous amounts on health care that this law requires. Bye bye no coverage option, bye bye high deductible HSA.


Because no one in their 20s ever gets cancer or some other horrible disease or has an accident that requires hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital care or gets married and has children.

Christ some people are dumb.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:48 AM  
Did I miss Romney?

Is he waiting on Boehner?

Are they voting on Holder yet?

reddogreport.com

/love that pic
 
2012-06-28 11:42:49 AM  

Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

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/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.


Which is why the vast majority of people who actually study the Constitution said it was Constitutional, right? But I'm sure some anonymous farknugget on the internet knows better than the majority of all those elitist scholars.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:50 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Taxes, hunh. Republicans never raise taxes.

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Reagan - 17 times.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:53 AM  

dognose4: So, the new tax on healthy people (that don't want or need health insurance) stands.



Right, because you NEVER need health insurance. You will always be healthy, never get sick, never get injured.
 
2012-06-28 11:42:58 AM  
Has anyone here ever opted to purchase the COBRA offered by their employer? Bwahahahaha! Its now THE LAW suckhars.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:17 AM  

bulldg4life: Bachmann has already declared that America as we know it has been destroyed. Jobs will be lost. People will cancel their health care plans. Cats and dogs living together.


The really hilarious thing is that she tweeted earlier in the day gloating that she had a ticket to the SCOTUS and was going to be there in person to see Obamacare fall. MAN I wish I could have seen her face.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:20 AM  

Epoch_Zero: The_Sponge: optimistic_cynic: The_Sponge: Remember when Obama promised that he wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250K per year?

If you have health insurance they won't be raised.


Newsflash: There are people who make under $250K per year who don't have health insurance.

That's a matter of personal responsibility. They should have grabbed them some bootstraps and taken the responsibility for themselves. What, do they expect the government to do everything for them?


That's crazy talk, they'll just continue to go to the ER with no ability to pay forcing the increase in cost the rest of have to burden. What a bunch of freeloading welfare queens.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:24 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: I'm not sure I see the principle behind the nixing of the Medicaid expansion.

The Federal government has to offer the existing program, without changes, in perpetuity? Because states' rights? Congress doesn't have the right to change Federal programs? Will have to read the decision.


They didn't nix the expansion; they nixed the ability of the feds to pull all Medicaid funds if a state opted out of the expansion. Instead, the feds can only pull the expansion funds.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:28 AM  
Bachmann just corrected Blitzer in saying that the democrats used reconciliation to pass the bill. So a GOP majority in the House and Senate with Romney as president will overturn Obamacare.

Of course, reconciliation will be tough when any future bill will cause certain budgetary consequences disallowing the use of reconciliation. Good luck with that.

Bachmann says Obama must go! We don't want to be like Europe!
 
2012-06-28 11:43:38 AM  

nickerj1: Ginsburg, writing separately for the four liberals, said they would have upheld the mandate under the commerce clause too. "Unlike the market for almost any other product or service, the market for medical care is one in which all individuals inevitably participate," she wrote. "Virtually every person residing in the United States, sooner or later, will visit a doctor or other health care professional."

This is why some of these Justices need to be dismissed from the bench. Your logic is false, woman. You admit it in the second statement when you use the word "virtually". Not every individual is an actor in the medical care market because: I can go to another country and get health care; I can render my own health care; I can never use health care. And before you invoke Wickard v Filburn and argue all three of those options "affect" the medical care market, we both Wickard was the wrong decision. Robert's opinion is correct, in that it is not valid under the Commerce clause.




If you are born, live, and die in the US, you will use healthcare. It may just be signing off your corpse, but you will.

The amount of people that entirely avoid healthcare of any sort could fit in phonebox.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:46 AM  

Johnson: more Fun Freeper Facts from FreeRepublic:

US Economy, RIP, 1776-2012

Get out of the market before November. Should BO win, the computers at the stock exchanges will burst into flames with investors trying to sell.

I can't stay in business with this ruling.
I have to close.
Will sell off client list with consistent repeat business. Nice return on investment.


I love the last one: the guy can't stay in business but will sell it to you and you will get a "nice return on investment". WTF? He just said he can't stay in business with this ruling!


He is going to sell it to a "liberal" who is still high feeling the love of all that hope and change.

The high last until 6-1- 2014
 
2012-06-28 11:43:46 AM  

zetar: Stocks... meh.



That's you attitude? So you don't have an IRA or 401K?
 
2012-06-28 11:43:47 AM  

chiett: Tyrone Slothrop: They already use my taxes to fight wars I don't agree with, and to give bailouts to failing companies. How about taxes actually being used for something useful once?

How about just giving me back my money, and I'll decide what to do with it ?


I would be all for that, but unfortunately, Republicans (and admittedly many Democrats) want your money to fight pointless military incursions for the sole purpose of justifying a grossly bloated military. Which, oh by the way, props up the bottom line of defense contractors that plow campaign contributions to them.

Until that changes, a fight to ensure that tax money goes to meaningful things, that you know, help people, needs to be fought.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:49 AM  

Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

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/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.


Please explain, then, why the Chicago Sun Times prepared three different templates based upon three possible outcomes of the trial?

Additionally, as you have already established yourself to be a "birther" -- and thus prone to dishonesty and to irrationality -- for what reason should any claim issued b you be considered to be credible?
 
2012-06-28 11:43:59 AM  

lousyskater: jayhawk88: Man I can't wait until my nutjob extended family members get home tonight and start tearing up Facebook.

It has already started on my end. POPCORN TIME.


If the Free Republic servers are down, there will be a delay before my father gets his talking points. Though I suppose AOL emails are still working...
 
2012-06-28 11:44:06 AM  

jso2897: cousndick: Lot of trolling I see...

And a whole lot of:
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i.e. typical fark these days.

/sad
 
2012-06-28 11:44:09 AM  

Resolute: As a Canadian, I'm getting a kick...


I should get bonus points for being in a class with a Canadian professor when the decision was handed down.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:11 AM  
Bachmann was hilariously crazypants on CNN.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:17 AM  

FlashHarry: i love how weak the "it's a tax! obama said no taxes!" talking point is. obama can still say that he disagrees with the wording of the decision - that, like four of the justices, he believes that the mandate is constitutional under the commerce clause. but it's all moot. obamacare stands. this is a HUGE victory for the president.


Good point.

1) the mandate is Constitutional
2) Why is it Constitutional? Quick poll of Justices upholding it. Commerce Clause (4 out of 5).
 
2012-06-28 11:44:27 AM  

Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

[a57.foxnews.com image 640x387]

/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.


The widespread misreporting almost makes me wonder if something crazy went down behind the scenes, a changed vote at the last minute or something.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:35 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: There is going to be some epic butthurt that is about to commence.


I am hoping for some literal real life suicides.

That would be fun.

/of course if they are as incompetent in life as they are as trolls we are likely to be paying for their healthcare. But of only 1 succeeds, it may wipe out 3 or 4 troll accounts and would be worth it.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:38 AM  

Weaver95: ...that's why I think the GOP is gonna go apeshiat for the rest of today.


That was a given no matter the results of the decision. The only thing we didn't know is if it would be apeshiat in gloating, or apeshiat in butthurt.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:40 AM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 11:44:40 AM  

Dinki: dognose4: So, the new tax on healthy people (that don't want or need health insurance) stands.


Right, because you NEVER need health insurance. You will always be healthy, never get sick, never get injured.


Being a dognose, I assume if he stays cold he'll always be healthy.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:44 AM  
Anyone who "doesn't need" health insurance can afford to pay the tax penalty.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:45 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."


Troof.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:49 AM  

Craptastic: Where does the Lone Ranger take his trash?

To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump
To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump
To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump
To the DUUUUUMP... To the dump dump dump!


That joke is so old it can't wait to get home and watch Thundercats.
 
2012-06-28 11:44:59 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Has anyone here ever opted to purchase the COBRA offered by their employer? Bwahahahaha! Its now THE LAW suckhars.


i1151.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 11:44:59 AM  

Headso: based on the comments in this thread it looks like "tax increase" is the talkingpoint people are being told to parrot.


Which is fine... the whole act was worded in a way to get around using the word "tax" because people get so emotional about it. The whole argument for single payer, public option solutions derailed over it. Most reasonable people... when asked if they would rather have a $12000 p/y private health insurance policy, or a $7k p/y public option, SHOULD want the relief of a cheaper solution. But it gets framed as a $7k tax hike on working families, and the whole thing goes to pot.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:01 AM  

Bungles: The amount of people that entirely avoid healthcare of any sort could fit in phonebox.


Dr. Who doesn't buy into that whole "modern medicine" thing.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:08 AM  

Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.


No, don't go Galt!!!! Society needs you!!! Who else can man the Waffle House grill between 2 and 9 if you're not there?
 
2012-06-28 11:45:10 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Obama said it wasn't a tax.

The Supreme Court says he lied.

Romney's donations box just got even bigger. Obama is going to have make more trips to George Clooney's house to try and keep up.


How many justices said it was a tax?
 
2012-06-28 11:45:10 AM  

Weaver95: we have a cat 5 derpstorm warning posted and the outer markers are already reporting derpwinds in excess of 50 rovians per hour!


Stolen for facebook status ++

If you demand royalties tell me where to send the beer.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:13 AM  

Lando Lincoln: The_Sponge: Remember when Obama promised that he wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250K per year?

Let the spinning commence!


Whar tanning salons!?
 
2012-06-28 11:45:20 AM  

bulldg4life: Bachmann says Obama must go! We don't want to be like Europe!


Except me! I want to be a Swiss citizen! I swear it's not only for the perks!
 
2012-06-28 11:45:31 AM  
So folks, I've been out running around Hanoi, what did I miss? Besides the entire Right's heads exploding at Roberts upholding the law?
 
2012-06-28 11:45:33 AM  
"READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES"


So how did that work out for that guy ?
 
2012-06-28 11:45:33 AM  
www.theoverbays.net
 
2012-06-28 11:45:34 AM  

Dictatorial_Flair: Bullseyed: BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

[a57.foxnews.com image 640x387]

/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made

As opposed to CNN who updated with the wrong verdict?

No one was prepared for this ruling because it is blatantly obvious that the law was unConstitutional.

The widespread misreporting almost makes me wonder if something crazy went down behind the scenes, a changed vote at the last minute or something.


nah. I think CNN just jumped the gun is all.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:35 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: 3 of the 4 boxes have failed. Time to break out the 4th box. Good thing I've been teaching the boys how to do it as well.


Awww, what's in the 4th box?
 
2012-06-28 11:46:03 AM  
I dont know if you guys know this, but apparently there are tax breaks for Married people and people with kids.

Have I had my taxes raised the whole time???

Why is the government trying to condition me to have kids!
 
2012-06-28 11:46:11 AM  
Jjaro 2012-06-28 10:30:51 AM

Kennedy went right and Roberts went left? That's surprising.

And are the liberals on Fark and the op-eds around America going to stop complaining about how biased and partisan the Supreme Court is now?


No.

One ruling has not changed that.
 
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