MasterThief: Seems like the left got the result they wanted (law and mandate upheld), while the right got the reasoning they wanted (Congress doesn't get a blank check to pass laws under the commerce/necessary and proper clauses, and can't force states to comply with a federal regulation by threatening existing federal funding.)
Marine1: Wasn't the individual mandate the conservative idea of healthcare? I actually think that would have been a nice place to start, actually.
Daveism: Lernaeus: /looking forward to more "suck it" kindness and compassion from the left todayKeep hitting us with bricks and you expect hugs and kisses in return? fark you in the ass sideways with a screwdriver. How's that for kindness and compassion? Call us un-American, traitors, communists, and every other term you can think of to denigrate us? We're soldiers, nurses, police officers, emergency management officials and non-profit child welfare workers - and that's just in my damn immediate family.WE'RE the ones expected to turn the other cheek? fark you. Your side clings to Jesus so much, where's the "turning of the cheek" that YOU'RE supposed to be so famous for? (also, didn't he have something to say about helping those less fortunate?)Our kindness and compassion is reserved for those that actually deserve it.
randomjsa: So all the people who thought that it being struck down would be the best thing ever for Obama are now going "holy crap now we're in trouble"?
meat0918: Weaver95: randomjsa: So all the people who thought that it being struck down would be the best thing ever for Obama are now going "holy crap now we're in trouble"?which universe are you posting from anyway? do they have hot dogs in that universe?They'll hammer on the "He raised your taxes" and the 85% of Americans that have health insurance already will say, "No he didn't, he raised someone else's taxes, not mine, and that's A-OK"
vernonFL: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?That is the whole issue. Say you're 25 and you say, "I'm young and healthy, I don't need insurance." So you don't buy any. Then, you get cancer and you try to get insurance, nobody will insure you because you have cancer.
Shostie: I'm taking credit for this, because my awesomnicitude is just that great.
Fail in Human Form: Wow, freerepublic is losing its collective shiat right now
palelizard: Tat'dGreaser: I apparently don't know everything about this whole deal. I hear some people talk about how health care is now guaranteed for everyone, then I hear you are now forced to purchase health care. Which one is it?A little of both.So, most of the law is about making it easier on people to get health insurance--making it affordable by capping profit margins, making sure the insurer can't deny you coverage because you were sick before you started paying their premiums, being able to stay on your parents insurance until 26, etc. All in all, things most individuals would consider reasonable moderation on an industry that makes its profits by denying service. Whether you agree or not, polls show most people liked the individual points.The balancing factor in this was the individual mandate--a requirement that you either purchase healthcare of some sort (presumably with minimum standards of care) or you pay the government a fine come tax time. Not so many people liked this but the insurance companies were more in favor of it, as it makes a penalty for waiting until one is sick before purchasing insurance (which they'd be obligated to not deny you just because you're already sick). This was probably the most controversial bit of the whole thing, with a lot of conservatives saying the government can't (or shouldn't) force you to purchase something from a private company, and a lot of the liberals saying it's either covered by the interstate commerce clause and/or it's a tax on not carrying insurance.The court has ruled that it's effectively a tax, despite some wacky wording on the part of the writers who didn't want to call it a tax.So over the next few years, it will be significantly easier for one to get affordable health insurance, but one will also be obligated to purchase said insurance or pay a yearly fine.
WombatControl: bdub77: Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.WHISKY. TANGO. FOXTROT.Really? Now Americans have health care? You mean no one in this country had health care prior to Obama? Is this what you really think?Here's a clue: health insurance is not health care. All "universal" or "single-payer" systems work by rationing care. You want treatment for your rare cancer? Some government bureaucrat will determine that the treatment isn't cost effective, and you will either die waiting for it, or you'll never be given the chance. Not only do you end up dead in that scenario, but new and innovative treatments never get developed because said bureaucrat won't pay for them. Oh, but you have "free" health insurance - just not free health care.Nothing is free. Health care is not free, and it can't be made free by government fiat. If the liberals got their way we'd have a system in which everyone but the ultra rich who could afford private insurace (or black-market care) is stuck waiting in lines for treatments they may never get.If the statists got their way and we magically had an NHS-style system in the United States there would be riots in the streets because Americans do not take kindly to the government dictating to them what they can and cannot have. At least those Americans who still believe in the spirit of this nation's Founding, anyway.
The_Sponge: Remember when Obama promised that he wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250K per year?
SuperT: So what about working poor whose employers don't offer insurance, they pay the tax that they can ill afford and what do they get in return? Do they get health care in return? Can someone fill me in on how this doesn't fark over the uninsured? I don't think we had a problem with people refusing or choosing not to have insurance, just unable to afford not offered or refused by insurance co.
Headso: based on the comments in this thread it looks like "tax increase" is the talkingpoint people are being told to parrot.
schattenteufel: Teabaggers go on & on about how much .... they hate "Obamacare," but they mostly agree with "Obamacare."
Joe Blowme: Enjoy more welfare asshat. Maybe this means you can fill your crack pipe using your EBT card, your welcome.
weave: What's best about this is the wingnuts planned the word Obamacare to be a derogatory term but now it will live for decades as a term giving a Democrat credit for something that they'll never be able to get rid of because people would go ape about it.
Sock Ruh Tease: My only question about the Freepers is: if conservatives start a civil war, will their health insurance cover assault rifle wounds?
BlueJay206: He has just been declared a liar to the American people, in that the mandate "wasn't a tax", and that he "wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class".
david_gaithersburg: I wonder who will be the first poor soul to be thrown in jail for choosing to feed themselves instead of feeding the insurance companies?
Parmenius: Rofl from Scotusblog:By the way, the opinions collectively are a monster. The Chief's opinion is 59 pages, Justice Ginsburg's opinion is 61 pages, the four dissenters are 65 pages, followed by a short two-pager from Justice Thomas. You do the math.LOLThomas
Sid_the_sadist: I'm going to quit my job and go on welfare now. fark you guys, you pay for my shiat from now on. Including my healthcare.
Thrag: That was unexpected. Equally unexpected is the one big health care stock in my portfolio is up 9% on the news.
Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?
optimistic_cynic: The_Sponge: Remember when Obama promised that he wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250K per year?If you have health insurance they won't be raised.
keylock71: I see the talking points have been issued...[msnbcmedia.msn.com image 474x268]
Weaver95: bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?I think he might blow out a heart valve today.
Dancin_In_Anson: Dimensio: Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.If you do not buy insurance you will be taxed.
Tyrone Slothrop: They already use my taxes to fight wars I don't agree with, and to give bailouts to failing companies. How about taxes actually being used for something useful once?
PunGent: vernonFL: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?That is the whole issue. Say you're 25 and you say, "I'm young and healthy, I don't need insurance." So you don't buy any. Then, you get cancer and you try to get insurance, nobody will insure you because you have cancer.One of my problems with Romneycare is that the young healthy 25 year olds can't just buy a bare-bones catastrophic coverage plan with a high deductible, which WOULD cover them for the long-shot cancer/car crash scenarios...they have to get comprehensive coverage. I guess the idea is to make the pool of insureds big enough.Not sure if those type of policies would "count" under Obamacare.
ShadowLAnCeR: I KNOW WHAT WILL SOLVE THIS! A RIOT![thenightbirdcalls.files.wordpress.com image 504x323]\its caps lock day.
Adolf Oliver Nipples: Three things:1) Can we finally put to rest the notion that the Supreme Court was rigged for Republican initiatives? It's tiresome, and in reality the butthurt that usually comes from SCOTUS decisions is because it's your particular ox that's being gored, not because they're ideologically fixed and conspiring to fark Democratic initiatives.
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