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(US Supreme Court) NewsFlash Supreme Court rules that Obamacare is constitutional. The bland mask that is Mitt Romney's face twitches with something called "emotion"   (supremecourt.gov) divider line 3382
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2012-06-28 11:14:07 AM  
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2012-06-28 11:14:08 AM  

mrshowrules: Drexl's Eye: Congrats guys!

/Canadian

This. I would like to congratulate all Americans on this reform. You may not deserve a single-payer health care system but you deserve a hybrid/band-aid version of until you realize that you can do better.

/also Canadian


Your sentiment is well taken. If the adage that "we get the government we deserve" is correct then we don't "deserve" a single-payer model since neither the populace nor it's representatives can agree upon one;. And although the benefits of such a model would be enormous to consumers and providers of healthcare alike, it would also pretty much put the insurance industry out to pasture, which surely would be deemed a violation of the Commerce Clause.

/I work for universal healthcare in Massachusetts, aka Romneycare
//Go ahead, jump in, the water's fine!
 
2012-06-28 11:14:19 AM  
Republicans keep saying this is a huge tax increase.

I have Employer paid health insurance.

How much is the tax I will have to pay Contards?

/Listening to Glenn Beck currently
 
2012-06-28 11:14:32 AM  

Waldo Pepper: ialdabaoth: Ok, look. This is simple.

If someone can't afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?

If someone can't afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?

If someone can't afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?

If someone can't afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?

You get what you pay for. If you can't afford to pay, well... I suppose it's polite to pretend that it was nice knowing you, but you aren't much use anymore, are you?

And if you disagree with all of the above statements, great! Politics takes money. If someone can't afford a lobbyist or a campaign, why do they deserve to have an opinion?

so what if you are healthy and simply pay for whatever doctor visits you need at the time you are penalized by the government for not buy a product/service?


Then you aren't the kind of person I'm asking about.
 
2012-06-28 11:14:47 AM  

drgloryboy: zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes

This will mean you will be waiting for six hours because now everyone will at least have Medicaid insurance that no primary care doctors will take. This means 20 million more people will be going to the ER for both non-emergent concerns and for emergent conditions that they normally wouldn't have gone to the ER before the mandate for fear of going bankrupt. As an ER doc I will no longer be required to provide government mandated charity care as we as a nation will pay for those unable to afford insurance and will require those who can afford insurance to have it. Looks like I won't be having a problem staying busy at work.


I refuse to believe you are a doctor. Ohhhh, ER doctor. Actually, this means more people will be able to go to their family doctor rather than rely on the ER.
 
2012-06-28 11:14:49 AM  
Flip Flopper

Awesome, eating own words must taste good!
 
2012-06-28 11:14:59 AM  

bhcompy: bdub77: Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.

Err, Americans didn't get health care. They got told to buy it, or else. Single payer would be Americans getting health care. This is a clusterfark, and it is not "Americans getting healthcare".


Shh...don't tell them the truth. Handle it, they can't.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:01 AM  
~ Congratulations to Romney and Conservatives everywhere on the continued success of their healthcare plan! ~

6 Years Ago: Heritage Foundation Praised Romneycare For Building 'Patient-Centered' Health Care Market:

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MOFFIT (HERITAGE FOUNDATION): We've been honored by your request...to participate in giving our best advise and our technical assistance in designing a new and different kind of health insurance market. A market that is patient-centered and consumer-based, which will ease access to affordable coverage for thousands of Bay State citizens. This is new. It's a new market, where individuals and families will be able to own and control their health insurance and take it with them to from job to job... Nothing like it has ever been attempted anywhere else in the United States. So Massachusetts has raised the bar for every state in the union. And that's the applause you've given to your public officials here today is going to echo far beyond the hallow halls of this historic place.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:01 AM  
According to Freepers, this is part of Robert's brilliant plan to make Obama look bad:

"Could this have been a calculated move by SCOTUS Roberts by calling it a TAX he just made Obama a liar!"
 
2012-06-28 11:15:02 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Sad how many people here are happy, not because the court ruling was good, but just because the Republicans "lost".

You guys really need to get a life.


The country still hasn't recovered from the Republican wins of the 2000's. I think we're entitled to cheer when they stumble, particularly considering that they were trying to declare their own health care plan unconstitutional just because a Democrat implemented it.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:07 AM  

rcantley: Today's ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety. - John Boehner.

Fark you in your orange ass.


Cry moar you grey-haired orange goblin farktard.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:09 AM  

bdub77: Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.


WHISKY. TANGO. FOXTROT.

Really? Now Americans have health care? You mean no one in this country had health care prior to Obama? Is this what you really think?

Here's a clue: health insurance is not health care. All "universal" or "single-payer" systems work by rationing care. You want treatment for your rare cancer? Some government bureaucrat will determine that the treatment isn't cost effective, and you will either die waiting for it, or you'll never be given the chance. Not only do you end up dead in that scenario, but new and innovative treatments never get developed because said bureaucrat won't pay for them. Oh, but you have "free" health insurance - just not free health care.

Nothing is free. Health care is not free, and it can't be made free by government fiat. If the liberals got their way we'd have a system in which everyone but the ultra rich who could afford private insurace (or black-market care) is stuck waiting in lines for treatments they may never get.

If the statists got their way and we magically had an NHS-style system in the United States there would be riots in the streets because Americans do not take kindly to the government dictating to them what they can and cannot have. At least those Americans who still believe in the spirit of this nation's Founding, anyway.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:18 AM  
So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?
 
2012-06-28 11:15:27 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

$10 says they call for Roberts to be impeached (or worse).


Some poster there was convinced that Obama has blackmailed him somehow.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:29 AM  

Planterz: Phinn: Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.

Ah, finally the Cons show up to "love" their country with all of the respect and responsibility of enjoying a four course meal and driving away when the bill comes.

What models for society!


He avoids all federal taxes because he doesn't make enough money to pay into it.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:31 AM  
People who are able to work but don't need to be taxed. Being unemployed hurts the economy. Force them to get jobs.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:40 AM  

ps69: [dailydish.typepad.com image 477x161]

He just killed teh freedoms.


Why, oh WHY, did the Supreme Court not rule on the Constitutionality of death panels?
 
2012-06-28 11:15:41 AM  
This just in: The Topeka-based Popcorn Growers of America has issued an emergency bulletin, citing catastrophic shortages and pleading to any growers or traders holding reserves to release them immediately.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:53 AM  

Kuroshin: There has been a new, punitive tax created, but no tax increases for anybody.


I can accept a sin tax for cigarettes, a sin tax for gasoline, even a sin tax for fast food, because all of those things give you the choice of sinning. In this case, you have no choice.
 
2012-06-28 11:15:57 AM  

Dimensio: Please explain how, exactly, my taxes will be increased.


If you do not buy insurance you will be taxed.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:00 AM  

Aexia: [p.twimg.com image 600x450]


Heh, what farking asshats they are.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:03 AM  
I am sure this thread is going to be absolutely epic.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:05 AM  

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


Meh, he only continued what was started. Nothing new here
 
2012-06-28 11:16:14 AM  

indylaw: I don't have much of a political or legal opinion on the merit of the Court's decision, but I look forward to two straight weeks of hyperbole, insurrection bluffs and greasy moron tears.


You will not be disappointed. Armies of people who can't spell are pulling out their markers and sheets of card board right now.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:14 AM  

dognose4: So, the new tax on healthy people (that don't want or need health insurance) stands.


There is no such thing as a healthy person who doesn't need health insurance, and whether you want it or not is immaterial. Since you'll burden the taxpayers when you inevitably require care if you don't have insurance, the taxpayers have a right to tell you to get off their backs.

Thanks for playing, though.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:20 AM  

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."


Yesteryear's headline: "Barack Obama says Obamacare was Romney's idea from the beginning."
 
2012-06-28 11:16:35 AM  

praymantis: It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax tax tax.


It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax tax tax.
It's a tax, it's a tax, it's a tax tax tax.
It's a taaaaaaaaax! It's a tax tax tax!


What? I thought we were doing the William Tell Overture...

/suck it cons
 
2012-06-28 11:16:38 AM  

NateGrey: Republicans keep saying this is a huge tax increase.

I have Employer paid health insurance.

How much is the tax I will have to pay Contards?

/Listening to Glenn Beck currently


When your employer's group coverage goes up in price, and it will, you will be taxed, directly or indirectly, Moran.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:48 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Ned Stark: cameroncrazy1984: Ned Stark: Obama's reelection is assured, major Republican victories in 16 and 18 likely as log term effects of bill become apparent. You read it here first.

You also said it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Excuse me if I decide to disregard your prediction.

I said I hoped it would be, and that it would be good for the country if it was.

That's not the same.

You also hope that the long-term effects of covering more people will be detrimental to the country. You're equally as wrong on that.


No, that one is, in fact, a prediction. You can tell from all the unqualified future-tense words.

And getting more people covered isn't the problem you ninny. Its the mandate+crap price controls that's going to be a problem.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:48 AM  

bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?


No, Rush has Health care. Plus, Costa Rican Oxy isn't as good.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:50 AM  

Anagrammer: OK, So the HUGE Obama tax increase on everyone, including those who make under $250,000/yr. is legal.

I'd prefer that they decided against the HUGE Obama tax increase, but it looks like the HUGE Obama tax increase is here to stay.


Gosh, it seems like the obvious solution to that would be to request your Congresscritters to proportionately raise taxes on those making over $250,000/year, doesn't it? Rising tide lifts all boats. Sink and swim together?

I know I vote in my own self-interest, but if our past decade of runaway military spending and shoveling money by the metric ton to the "job creators" is working out for you then keep on keeping on.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:55 AM  

bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?


I believe that his taste runs more to Domincan teenaged boys. The Costa Rican teens are a little too gamey.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:56 AM  
Now an arrow to the knee will cost you SIGNIFICANTLY more than before.
 
2012-06-28 11:16:57 AM  
So all the people who thought that it being struck down would be the best thing ever for Obama are now going "holy crap now we're in trouble"?
 
2012-06-28 11:17:01 AM  
Well If so great this obama care then why does the KING himself not have to use it? Oh wait he is the King
 
2012-06-28 11:17:17 AM  
This time for sure....

crooksandliars.com
Hey, Dana, was there a bag of dicks included in those just desserts? 'Cos I think the SCOTUS just suggested you eat one
 
2012-06-28 11:17:22 AM  
Glenn Beck: "John Roberts is a coward, weasel, Progressive, Non-Consutitionalist"

"The king can tax you any way he wants"

"Do not watch television, it will make you angry, Obama will be celebrating"

"I havent been this angry in a long time"

I will take a second helping of Conservative tears please.

/Vote Republican
 
2012-06-28 11:17:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Some nutball congressman called it the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history. Notwithstanding the fact that the poor already get healthcare and likely will not be taxed.


Seriously. I was just chatting about this with my bartender friend. He wanted to know the implications of not having health insurance. I asked him "how much he gets back in taxes each year". He said "about a $1,000". I said "you'll get about half of that back". He said "sh:t, it's still cheaper than getting health insurance".

Yay.
 
2012-06-28 11:17:38 AM  

bongmiester: So does this mean that Rush Limbaugh is finally moving to Costa Rica?


I think he might blow out a heart valve today.
 
2012-06-28 11:17:55 AM  
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2012-06-28 11:17:56 AM  
Thanks to SCOTUS upholding the HUGE Obama health care tax increase, Romney can now run on the promise of giving the largest tax cut in American history!

Bonus: Since the states are not required to participate, and can't be penalized for not participating, he can just do this by exempting all 50 states via Executive Order, in his first few minutes as president!
 
2012-06-28 11:18:01 AM  
SPIN, SPIN!

It is absolutely HILARIOUS to watch the spin as people try to turn this around into the next line of attack.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:10 AM  

Kit Fister: Does it count if we opposed it because it was a bandaid rather than a true fix for the actual problems with our healthcare system, and a massive waste of money compared to actually fixing anything?


I don't know about history but if you base your decisions on reasoning like this rather than just "foxNews told me it was bad," then you have my respect, at least.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:14 AM  
Romney: The mandate is a tax. You raised taxes.
Obama: Did you raise taxes on Massachusetts when you were a governor?
Romney: No, of course not, I...
Obama: *trollface*
 
2012-06-28 11:18:18 AM  

randomjsa: So all the people who thought that it being struck down would be the best thing ever for Obama are now going "holy crap now we're in trouble"?


Yes, all of those people in your head.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:25 AM  

Jackson Herring: What a boner that was! Can you believe that time GHWB pulled that huge boner?


That boner of his really cost him. He lost the race to Clinton who promised, "Read my lips, no new boners." But then sure enough, he made an even bigger boner.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:32 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

$10 says they call for Roberts to be impeached (or worse).

Why would they do that? Obama would get to appoint another justice, who would surely be more liberal than Roberts.


You have forgotten that most Freepers are also "Birthers". After Justice Roberts is impeached, they will continue their efforts to prove that President Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to hold office. Upon succeeding, which they are confident will occur at Any Day Now, all acts and appointments of Obama will be reversed and Sarah Palin will automatically become President.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:33 AM  
In one sense, it's a win that the PPACA isn't overturned, given that the current political environment is too toxic to try to get anything better and, while it's not great, it is an improvement.

In the other sense, this will just delay single payer or a public option by a few additional decades, keeping us behind the dozens of other industrialized nations who do have universal health care.
 
2012-06-28 11:18:36 AM  
"This is a big f-ing deal." - Vice President Joe Biden
 
2012-06-28 11:18:49 AM  
Let me tell a story about why this is a good thing: 15 years ago my mother got cancer. She fought hard and won. Complete remission/surgery to remove lumps. Immediately after her surgery she was dropped from her insurance. Following her cancer, she continued to work (ran her own restaurant) but was not able to purchase health insurance. She tried everywhere, was willing to pay huge sums of money, but not a single insurer would give her a plan due to "preexisting conditions." 3 years ago she started to recognize the signs that something was wrong. She went for a blood test and boom, she had cancer again, but couldn't get it treated. Her only option was disability, something she had avoided last time because she wanted to continue to work. It took 2 years for her to get disability by that time her previously treatable cancer had become stage 4 terminal cancer. She is continuing to fight, about to start her 4th round of chemo/radiation. If she was able to get insurance before this happened not only would there be a good chance they could have cured it, but it would have been less expensive for the entire health care system. I'm telling that story to every idiot that says something stupid about the ruling today.
 
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