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2012-06-28 11:06:37 AM

soporific: WombatControl: From now on, it's not "ObamaCare." It's the "Obama Health Care Tax". Let's have the President own his massive tax hike right through to November.

Given what this "tax" pays for, a lot of people might not object to paying for it. If it saves their lives, if it allows them to have medical coverage despite a pre-existing condition, if it actually makes it easier to get health care, then the benefits will outweigh the tax increase.

Bear in mind, if you already have coverage, this "tax" doesn't affect you. And I believe that there will be assistance for those who can't afford it.

So yes, it's a tax. Much like the taxes America paid so we could go fight the World Wars. Sometimes we have to pay for things that are necessary, and sometimes it means our taxes go up. I realize that the idea of actually raising taxes so we pay for a war ourselves is a bit of an anathema to conservatives these days, they'd rather borrow money from Communist China, but in the old days, taxes weren't seen as evil. They were seen as paying for America, because America was worth paying for.


It's a tax that very few will pay in the long run. To call it a massive tax hike is a lie.
 
2012-06-28 11:06:40 AM
Sad how many people here are happy, not because the court ruling was good, but just because the Republicans "lost".

You guys really need to get a life.
 
2012-06-28 11:06:47 AM
Half of the new people covered under Obamacare were to be on the expanded Medicaid program. States can opt out of this now. Where do you guys think the additonal money will come from? I believe that means 8.5 million people may now need new coverage that is not covered under the current plan.

Maybe a bigger tax on top of the new tax?
 
2012-06-28 11:06:49 AM
WELCOME TO THE USSA!

trollin' trollin' trollin'
 
2012-06-28 11:06:51 AM
I don't like this POS law, but I'm laughing my ass off! That sneering "Obamacare" label doesn't seem like such a good idea now, does it rightwingnuts?

Dumbasses. The Democrats beat you at your own game. They knew how to write the language so that the Commerce Clause would not be an issue to the Court. You tried to poison the bill and they beat you. You opposed the law based on grounds they had already beat you on.

All politicians suck.
 
2012-06-28 11:06:53 AM
Risk-based pricing encourages us to take better care of ourselves.
Car insurance works because companies reward good drivers and charge the Lindsay Lohans more. If the state forces insurance companies to stop discriminating, that kills the business model.
No-discrimination insurance isn't insurance. It's welfare. If the politicians' plan was to create another government welfare program, they ought to own up to that instead of hiding the cost.
Alcoholics, drug addicts and the obese won't have to pay any more than the rest of us.
-Stossel
 
2012-06-28 11:06:54 AM

Planterz: Ah, finally the Cons show up to "love" their country with all of the respect and responsibility of enjoying a four course meal and driving away when the bill comes.

What models for society!


I love my country, but I don't love you.
 
2012-06-28 11:06:57 AM
As there is now a tax associated with healthcare surely this is a decently-sized step towards single payer system paid for from taxes?
 
2012-06-28 11:06:57 AM

Corvus: Later today I'll repost quotes from the FARK "experts" telling me how wrong I was that the mandate was not a tax.


We need a little time to figure out how to spin this as something other than a tax when the supreme court just ruled that it is.

Be patient.
 
2012-06-28 11:07:07 AM
Roberts? More like Robespierre, right Freepers?
 
2012-06-28 11:07:09 AM
Oh my god, you guys. Two federal agents just knocked on my door and handed me a letter telling me I have to appear before a death panel next Tuesday. PRAY FOR ME!!!
 
2012-06-28 11:07:10 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Ned Stark: Obama's reelection is assured, major Republican victories in 16 and 18 likely as log term effects of bill become apparent. You read it here first.

You also said it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Excuse me if I decide to disregard your prediction.


I said I hoped it would be, and that it would be good for the country if it was.

That's not the same.
 
2012-06-28 11:07:19 AM
Obama, "this is NOT a new tax" - in court "this is legal because it is a tax" -Supreme Court "fine with us it legal under the law, as a tax." Pelosi, "have we found out what is in our new healthcare law yet?"



I am still so very confused that I think I'm starting to relate to Pelosi.
 
2012-06-28 11:07:24 AM

vernonFL: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?

That is the whole issue. Say you're 25 and you say, "I'm young and healthy, I don't need insurance." So you don't buy any. Then, you get cancer and you try to get insurance, nobody will insure you because you have cancer.


Not only that, but when you show up to the ER to when you feel all cancery, you'll get treated for free and that cost gets passed on to the rest of us.

Andrew Sullivan wrote a pretty good article last year about how Obamacare is, even if you have an ideological problem with the mandate, a pragmatic and responsible solution to the problems caused by rising healthcare costs.
 
2012-06-28 11:07:30 AM

Phinn: The government can't force me to buy insurance, but they will try to tax me if I don't.

Eh.

For one, the Left has tried to get away from its Tax-and-Spend label ever since Clinton, but now it will have to own it. That's sorta nice.

But more importantly, the federal government is so inept at collecting taxes from people like me, I will NEVER have to actually pay it.

Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.


Are you a dentist?
 
2012-06-28 11:07:51 AM

Dog Welder: Valiente: RantCasey: And commence the Republican butthurt.....NOW.

Will butthurt merit a two-dollar salve now?

At least the salve is now covered under Obamacare, so they should be okay.


Let the buggery commence, then. 'Roid rings for some, little American flags for others!
 
2012-06-28 11:07:52 AM
www.aberhartfoundation.ca
 
2012-06-28 11:07:55 AM

Corvus: MY JUSTIFICATION OF IT BEING A TAX WAS RIGHT!

How many farkers on here attacked me for saying that?


Your still wrong even if 5 guys agree with you.
 
2012-06-28 11:07:59 AM

fluffytuff: I'm not a very political person, and I haven't really kept up on this whole Obamacare thing. Can somebody explain to me just what the hell happened, or provide a link that explains it short bus style?

/thanks


If you don't have health insurance, when you file your taxes, you'll have to pay a bit more or receive a little less.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:05 AM

Anagrammer: OK, So the HUGE Obama tax increase on everyone, including those who make under $250,000/yr. is legal.

I'd prefer that they decided against the HUGE Obama tax increase, but it looks like the HUGE Obama tax increase is here to stay.


So what you are saying is that you're obsessed with how HUGE Obama is. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

/please excuse the President as he whips it out
//HUGE
 
2012-06-28 11:08:05 AM

too-old: ignatius_crumbcake: If anything, it will increase conservative apathy cause the teabaggers don't think their Lord-and-Savior Mitt Romney (lol) can be trusted to do anything.

But what does Sarah Palin think about all this?


Well the unconsitutional and the freedoms for which we've sacrificed so much, you know, over the years and all those who served and socialisms and so forth, you betcha! *wink*
 
2012-06-28 11:08:09 AM

Gulper Eel: craig328: We need a healthcare overhaul in the worst farking way but this...this sets a new precedent for the relationship between government and citizenry that I don't think many have fully thought through yet.

The statists in both parties have been thinking it through for ages. That would of course include Romney.


I'd argue he's far more corporatist. Let's not forget it's a three-way tug-of-war: states - individuals - corporations. Personally, I'd like to swing the entity I can influence somewhat - the gov't - as much as I can to keep the corporation side at bay.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:10 AM
JerseyTim: "Obama lied to the American people. Again. He said it wasn't a tax. Obama lies; freedom dies. - Sarah Palin (@SarahPalinUSA) June 28, 2012"

I bet they've had that cued up and ready to rock for months.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:10 AM
Loading the car and heading for Mexico!!!!
 
2012-06-28 11:08:13 AM
Meh. Whatever.

What's for lunch?
 
2012-06-28 11:08:16 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Three things:

1) Can we finally put to rest the notion that the Supreme Court was rigged for Republican initiatives? It's tiresome, and in reality the butthurt that usually comes from SCOTUS decisions is because it's your particular ox that's being gored, not because they're ideologically fixed and conspiring to fark Democratic initiatives.

2) The Congress could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by simply calling it what it is, a tax. It was always a tax, and calling it something else was always a big charade. We need to get over this tax-averse attitude we have in this country if we wish to maintain any semblance of the standard of living we currently have. We can't continue to live off of other peoples' largesse for much longer.

3) Congratulations to Barack Obama on his reelection. This essentially sealed the deal, the rest is just pro forma screaming.


Agreed as to point 1.

As to 2, regardless of your position on it, it NEVER would've passed if they'd called it a tax. I agree we need to get over the tax-averse attitude, but it's become ingrained since Vietnam, when we (kinda) got away with putting a war on the national credit card instead of biting the bullet. It WILL eventually bite us on the ass, but we've been lucky so far.

As to 3...never underestimate the Dem's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I say this as a registered Dem, mind you.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:22 AM

Ned Stark: cameroncrazy1984: Ned Stark: Obama's reelection is assured, major Republican victories in 16 and 18 likely as log term effects of bill become apparent. You read it here first.

You also said it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Excuse me if I decide to disregard your prediction.

I said I hoped it would be, and that it would be good for the country if it was.

That's not the same.


You also hope that the long-term effects of covering more people will be detrimental to the country. You're equally as wrong on that.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:24 AM

SevenizGud: Great, now I get to buy health care insurance for another 16 million losers.

On the plus side, this now paves the way for the gubmint to force all people to buy a treadmill, because, hey, some people are fat, and everyone is already in that market, because all people would be less fat if they had a treadmill. Gosh, it makes me want to sing

...and the laaaaaaaand oooo----ooo---fff the freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

Reward the FAIL, America...what's the worst that could happen?

/worst decision since Kelo


Generally, you won't be buying squat. It just forced several million able bodied people to get insurance for themselves. If anything, it should reduce the load on you. If you're worried, invest in some health insurance companies to offset your tax loss.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:33 AM

Gulper Eel: craig328: We need a healthcare overhaul in the worst farking way but this...this sets a new precedent for the relationship between government and citizenry that I don't think many have fully thought through yet.

The statists in both parties have been thinking it through for ages. That would of course include Romney.


I disagree. Think about it. They just gave Congress a precedent by which any stupid idea du jour can be foisted onto the citizenry via a special "permit" you need to purchase. Is your air not as clean as the EPA wants it to be? You need to purchase a license to breathe (whose funds will be used to build giant community air purifiers). They couldn't pass a tax to make that happen...but now, just because you're alive, they can say you need to purchase a license to breathe the community air. Yes, that's a stupid example but with this kind of bizarro twisted logic, the government now has a blueprint for how to skip lightly around that prohibition in the Interstate Commerce Act and force individual citizens to pony up money for all kinds of shiat.

And Congress gets to do it without technically having to raise taxes. The only reason the assholes shy away from raising taxes now is because of voter backlash. Now they get to truthfully lie and say "I didn't vote to raise your taxes"...and being as most of the American populace is dumber than a crate of anvils, they'll get a pass on that.

Seriously, the relationship between the people and their government just took a huge lurch towards the government today.

And just to head off the normal storm of Fark derp: I'm all in favor of healthcare being overhauled...just not with this terrible precedent. Once everyone calms down in a few days I think people will start to see the ruling as being even worse than Kelo was a few years ago.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:36 AM
So to recap: If the mandate was struck down it would have been bad for Obama. But the mandate being upheld is also bad for Obama.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:38 AM

thenewmissus: point......laugh.......runs away


Stand Your Ground.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:43 AM

Oafmeel: [i1245.photobucket.com image 275x183]


That would have been perfect in the "Prometheus " thread.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:45 AM

JerseyTim: Oh my god, you guys. Two federal agents just knocked on my door and handed me a letter telling me I have to appear before a death panel next Tuesday. PRAY FOR ME!!!


Praying was outlawed by Obamacare. The Supreme Court upheld that part, too.
 
2012-06-28 11:08:53 AM
lol freepers

"My Flag Is Now Flying Upside-Down"
 
2012-06-28 11:08:59 AM

Fecacacophany: ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."

Accccctually.....


Exactly. (And the partisanship and backpatting and continued demonization on this thread is uncomfortable and weird. Just another day in the sheep pen, though.)
 
2012-06-28 11:09:02 AM

JerseyTim: Obama lied to the American people. Again. He said it wasn't a tax. Obama lies; freedom dies.- Sarah Palin (@SarahPalinUSA) June 28, 2012


lol

I'm currently updating my resume to apply for a position on one of the new sharia death panels.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:06 AM

TwistedFark: bdub77: WombatControl: Legally, this was a piss-poor decision. Yes, the Commerce Clause end of things was upheld, but the SCOTUS basically saved Congress by doing something that Congress never intended to do. That's judicial activism. If Congress had intended the mandate to be a tax, they could have done so directly. SCOTUS inferred that's what they did, which is not the proper role of a judge.

Politically, anyone who wants to argue this is good for Obama is kidding themselves. This is the worst outcome for Obama. (The best being the bill being upheld under the Commerce Clause, the second best being the bill being totally struck down.) Why is this the worst outcome?

1.) This just energized the living fark out of the GOP base. It was ObamaCare that motivated the Tea Party in 2010. Now it's going to do the same in 2012.

2.) It just took away their "RomneyCare" attacks. (Yes, the whole "RomneyCare" bit was incoherent to begin with, but it's less coherent now.)

3.) Obama is now responsible for a major middle-class tax increase. After saying that he wouldn't raise taxes. Repeatedly. This will be in every Romney attack ad through this election season. It should be in them now.

From now on, it's not "ObamaCare." It's the "Obama Health Care Tax". Let's have the President own his massive tax hike right through to November.

Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.

I'm not much of a political fan boy, but I have to agree in regards to Obama's legacy. He's managed to accomplish quite a bit in this term - and a fair bit more than I can recall any of the last 4 President's doing.


really, the last 4?
 
2012-06-28 11:09:12 AM

MediaAreAllHacks: A question: Would you tell the hospital to turn away someone dying because they couldn't pay?


I just read yesterday that until 1986, hospitals could do exactly that. They usually didn't, but there wasn't a law against it. Even now a hospital could technically get away with refusing to treat indigent people, but they would lose the right to take Medicare funds. It worked a lot like when the feds pushed for a national speed limit - you can refuse the limit, but you'll lose highway dollars.

It also doesn't cover all care, just what is deemed "emergency care."
 
2012-06-28 11:09:17 AM

Gosling: That officially counts as a 'holy shiat' moment. I was convinced they were going to strike it down 5-4 and I had a 'SCOTUS is hopelessly corrupt' rant all ready to go. Now what am I gonna do with the rest of my day?


I'm certain there are many conservatives which would like to borrow this rant now.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:27 AM

Thunderpipes: 17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

90% of HSA plans will not qualify by the way. Remember when you could keep your current insurance? 14 million people use HSA plans. So over 12 million people will be forced to drop their plans or pay more just on that alone.

It is a loss for Obama, Vodka posting moron. He will lost millions of votes because of this. The Medicaid part screws his plans, and all America loses. This is bad news, for Obama.


7/10. Unless you're trolling.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:28 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: On the downside, it could be a "read my lips" situation for him.


Ah yes, the time when a President did something responsible and everyone got pissed because taxes bad.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:31 AM

Publikwerks: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x280]

I owe you an apology...After upholding Citizens united, I thought that you were a partisan hack. I thought you would vote party lines.

While I may disagree with you on alot of things, you have restored my faith in the court, which had been shaken as of late.


Roberts is the biggest business hawk on the Court. While I was initially surprised, upon reflection it makes sense since the mandate is necessary for the Act to be good for insurance companies.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:35 AM
Nothing I can say here about the rape and dismemberment of the Constitution will be legally permissible and would even get Drew in trouble for allowing my comments, so best just to say Phooey on the Court

Phooey
Phooey
Phooey
 
2012-06-28 11:09:35 AM
Since I have insurance this doesn't really seem to affect me.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:35 AM
Hey, Dana, was there a bag of dicks included in those just desserts? 'Cos I think the SCOTUS just suggested you eat one.
 
2012-06-28 11:09:39 AM

bdub77: Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.


Err, Americans didn't get health care. They got told to buy it, or else. Single payer would be Americans getting health care. This is a clusterfark, and it is not "Americans getting healthcare".
 
2012-06-28 11:09:47 AM

rocketpants: Meh. Whatever.

What's for lunch?


taxo salad on a bed of lies!

/with cool butthurt ranch
//mmmmmmmm
 
2012-06-28 11:09:57 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Holy farking shiat, Roberts upholds Obamacare? My mind is full of billions and billions and billions upon billions of f*ck.


It was originally a conservative alternative to more liberal policies.

i.imgur.com

The fact that people are in disbelief just shows how absurdly partisan the Roberts court has been acting of late.
 
2012-06-28 11:10:04 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: drgloryboy: zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes

This will mean you will be waiting for six hours because now everyone will at least have Medicaid insurance that no primary care doctors will take. This means 20 million more people will be going to the ER for both non-emergent concerns and for emergent conditions that they normally wouldn't have gone to the ER before the mandate for fear of going bankrupt. As an ER doc I will no longer be required to provide government mandated charity care as we as a nation will pay for those unable to afford insurance and will require those who can afford insurance to have it. Looks like I won't be having a problem staying busy at work.

Soooo...no more "charity care".,..so it will be paid for, where in the past it may not have...so your hospital should be able to afford more ER doctors...


Great point! Will also need more nurses and bigger ERs! I can use more help and more coverage as it is.
 
2012-06-28 11:10:07 AM

Anti_illuminati: fluffytuff: I'm not a very political person, and I haven't really kept up on this whole Obamacare thing. Can somebody explain to me just what the hell happened, or provide a link that explains it short bus style?

/thanks

If you don't have health insurance, when you file your taxes, you'll have to pay a bit more or receive a little less.


It's like not having a mortgage and not having children.
 
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