Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?
Babwa Wawa: Local Man: Why does CNN have "Mandate Struck Down" tattooed on their front page...?/which news agency has reading comprehension issues?!?[i.imgur.com image 640x450]
Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.My panties are not in a bunch.
HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it
Corvus: How is paying a tax if you don't "forcing you". Is the income tax "forcing you" not to make an income?
LarryDan43: Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.My panties are not in a bunch.Prove it.
ukcsmajor: CNN. No matter what your political viewpoint, you gotta respect a news organization that gives everyone what they want to hear.[img441.imageshack.us image 640x230]
Rev. Skarekroe: If the mandate had gotten struck down, we wouldn't suddenly be presented with a public option. We're decades away from that in this country no matter what.
ackb4r: Would trade mandate for public option any day.
Phinn: Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.
Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?
truthseeker2083: Good! Next step, single payer!
bulldg4life: You mean besides the subsidies already built in to the bill to help those who can't afford it?
Jjaro: Kennedy went right and Roberts went left? That's surprising.And are the liberals on Fark and the op-eds around America going to stop complaining about how biased and partisan the Supreme Court is now?
Publikwerks: YoungSwedishBlonde: Holy farking shiat, Roberts upholds Obamacare? My mind is full of billions and billions and billions upon billions of f*ck.[t0.gstatic.com image 269x187]...So full of f*ck
WombatControl: Legally, this was a piss-poor decision. Yes, the Commerce Clause end of things was upheld, but the SCOTUS basically saved Congress by doing something that Congress never intended to do. That's judicial activism. If Congress had intended the mandate to be a tax, they could have done so directly. SCOTUS inferred that's what they did, which is not the proper role of a judge.Politically, anyone who wants to argue this is good for Obama is kidding themselves. This is the worst outcome for Obama. (The best being the bill being upheld under the Commerce Clause, the second best being the bill being totally struck down.) Why is this the worst outcome?1.) This just energized the living fark out of the GOP base. It was ObamaCare that motivated the Tea Party in 2010. Now it's going to do the same in 2012.2.) It just took away their "RomneyCare" attacks. (Yes, the whole "RomneyCare" bit was incoherent to begin with, but it's less coherent now.)3.) Obama is now responsible for a major middle-class tax increase. After saying that he wouldn't raise taxes. Repeatedly. This will be in every Romney attack ad through this election season. It should be in them now.From now on, it's not "ObamaCare." It's the "Obama Health Care Tax". Let's have the President own his massive tax hike right through to November.
colon_pow: the court should have sent it back to congress and told them to rewrite the bill and vote on it with the public's knowledge that this is a tax. I don't understand why Roberts rewrote it for them. it wasn't sold as a tax.can you say bait and switch?colon_pow is disappoint.
soporific: This will not cost Obama votes, and in fact this could help shore up support, because the people who really benefit will now have a motivation to get out there and vote. If the Dems are smart, and who knows they might surprise us, then they'll make sure those pesky non-voting young people realize that letting Republicans take control will directly impact them. If Republicans make this a central issue, they might motivate a lot of voting against them.
TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.
Valiente: RantCasey: And commence the Republican butthurt.....NOW.Will butthurt merit a two-dollar salve now?
Dancin_In_Anson: bulldg4life: Not if he has health insurance.Just like a million other things he could do to receive tax credits.And if he doesn't purchase insurance? And those that can't afford it? Who will pay for them?The funny thing is that I was repeatedly berated here for calling Obamacare a tax. It will be interesting to see how this fleshes out. On the upside for Obama, he got his bill. On the downside, it could be a "read my lips" situation for him.
lohphat: HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for itHerp derp!You show up in an ER they have to treat you freeloaders. That's why we pay 3x what other countries pay per capita.It's about time you shoplifters pay up.
MasterThief: From SCOTUSBlog: "The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause [arguments in favor of the ACA] should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition."
Thunderpipes: It is a loss for Obama.
WombatControl: This is the worst outcome for Obama.
colon_pow: it wasn't sold as a tax.
Smeggy Smurf: 3 of the 4 boxes have failed. Time to break out the 4th box. Good thing I've been teaching the boys how to do it as well.
Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?
wood0366: I'm still at a loss as to why "tax and spend" is a bad idea... Someone please explain it to me?
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