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2012-06-28 10:59:11 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the things that people don't like about Obamacare is that they'll be required to buy health insurance that they feel they don't need as they are in generally good health?


That is the whole issue. Say you're 25 and you say, "I'm young and healthy, I don't need insurance." So you don't buy any. Then, you get cancer and you try to get insurance, nobody will insure you because you have cancer.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:20 AM  
What does Whitney Duncan think?
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2012-06-28 10:59:21 AM  
Well, there ya go. We now have Democrats firmly cheering for a Republican healthcare bill, and Republicans can continue feeling persecuted.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:22 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Local Man: Why does CNN have "Mandate Struck Down" tattooed on their front page...?

/which news agency has reading comprehension issues?!?

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My guess is that they saw that the commerce clause doesn't apply...but didn't keep reading.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:24 AM  

Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.


Would you like that arranged? No fee.

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2012-06-28 10:59:28 AM  
i171.photobucket.com

And in enough time for these two to close out the week.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:29 AM  
the court should have sent it back to congress and told them to rewrite the bill and vote on it with the public's knowledge that this is a tax. I don't understand why Roberts rewrote it for them. it wasn't sold as a tax.

can you say bait and switch?

colon_pow is disappoint.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:34 AM  
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2012-06-28 10:59:41 AM  
I'm still always shocked by how ridiculously stupid and uninformed most Americans are about their own health care.

A question: Would you tell the hospital to turn away someone dying because they couldn't pay?

If you answered yes, you're a sociopath. Seek help.

If you answered no, you believe in socialized medicine. Now we're just talking degrees of it. The American government spends more on health care than any other country in the world (per capita). Then of course you all have to pay for health insurance too. So fully socialized medicine would allow lowering taxes.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:44 AM  
I'm still at a loss as to why "tax and spend" is a bad idea... Someone please explain it to me?
 
2012-06-28 10:59:50 AM  

HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it


Herp derp!

You show up in an ER they have to treat you freeloaders. That's why we pay 3x what other countries pay per capita.

It's about time you shoplifters pay up.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:52 AM  
My Freeper friends and acquaintances are going absolutely apeshiat. A good friend of mine - sweet girl, but ultra-conservative - is calling this the death of Democracy as we know it, and that we're headed Europe's way.
 
2012-06-28 10:59:59 AM  

Corvus: How is paying a tax if you don't "forcing you". Is the income tax "forcing you" not to make an income?


You don't pay income tax to a private corporation. Yet. Although the line between corporations and the state is now so blurry as to be functionally meaningless. I am not surprised that you are happy about this.
 
2012-06-28 11:00:01 AM  
I love it. Teabaggers go on & on about how much they hate "Obamacare"

But if you ask them if they like the idea of preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and they're in favor.

if you ask them if they supported requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees, and they're all for it.

If you ask them if they favored allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26, they're mostly cool with that.

If you ask them if they're in favor of mandatory health insurance for all Americans, and they're AGAINST it. However, if you ask them how the uninsured people should be handled, their answer is pretty much "Let them crash"

So... they hate "Obamacare," but they mostly agree with "Obamacare."
 
2012-06-28 11:00:02 AM  
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2012-06-28 11:00:16 AM  

LarryDan43: Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.

Prove it.


LOL nope. I don't want to threadjack.

: )
 
2012-06-28 11:00:17 AM  
i.imgur.com

with updated super not racist text for whiners
 
2012-06-28 11:00:25 AM  
They didn't uphold the entire thing. They upheld the individual mandate not as part of the commerce clause, but part of the taxing power. The commerce clause can't regulate what you don't do. However, they found unconstitutional the expansion of medicaid.

My source? The farking opinion itself:

PDF of the actual opinion
 
2012-06-28 11:00:34 AM  
I don't get how the Medicaid thing works; how is it that increasing the funding for a program for the states while also increasing the requirements for the states to qualify for the program is illegal unless you still give the states the previous level of funding if they comply with the previous requirements? The government changes the amount the states must match all the time for states, and it's always been they either accept the new rules or forgo federal funding for Medicaid (correct me if I'm wrong). Now that they are saying "we're increasing funding so you will have to pay more to match it" the Court has decided states can determine what amount they are willing to pay and the federal government must adjust funding to match what the state offers instead of saying that they aren't meeting the requirements? Were they just talking about the language in the bill itself or is this an overarching principle that might be applied elsewhere?
 
2012-06-28 11:00:35 AM  

ukcsmajor: CNN. No matter what your political viewpoint, you gotta respect a news organization that gives everyone what they want to hear.

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I posted this is the other thread, along the same lines:

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2012-06-28 11:00:39 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: If the mandate had gotten struck down, we wouldn't suddenly be presented with a public option. We're decades away from that in this country no matter what.


That's why I said I thought this was best, even though I was hoping for a public option. At least it's a step in the right direction. I don't get this reasoning though:

ackb4r: Would trade mandate for public option any day.


If you're for everyone having health care, the mandate is a band-aid at best, and certainly not the best option.
 
2012-06-28 11:00:41 AM  
Well, I'm shocked.
 
2012-06-28 11:00:44 AM  
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2012-06-28 11:00:53 AM  
So what about working poor whose employers don't offer insurance, they pay the tax that they can ill afford and what do they get in return? Do they get health care in return? Can someone fill me in on how this doesn't fark over the uninsured? I don't think we had a problem with people refusing or choosing not to have insurance, just unable to afford not offered or refused by insurance co.
 
2012-06-28 11:00:53 AM  

Phinn: Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.


Ah, finally the Cons show up to "love" their country with all of the respect and responsibility of enjoying a four course meal and driving away when the bill comes.

What models for society!
 
2012-06-28 11:00:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.

But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?


They already use my taxes to fight wars I don't agree with, and to give bailouts to failing companies. How about taxes actually being used for something useful once?
 
2012-06-28 11:01:05 AM  
Oh, we're here now? Okay then.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:06 AM  

truthseeker2083: Good! Next step, single payer!


We can only hope. I consider myself more to the right of center, but single payer is the only real way to do this.

Now there is absolutely ZERO reason for a health insurance company to lower premiums. They know people will buy insurance (if it's cheaper than the tax), so they can keep their prices just high enough so the cost/benefit is to buy the insurance instead of paying the tax. That's the magic premium cost right there. And, that'll be for a super-high deductible plan as well. Everything else will cost more. All the other companies will do the same (effectively an oligopoly). This won't make insurance any cheaper.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:07 AM  
So many of my republican friends on FB are awfully silent. I wonder if they deleted the drafts of their "victory" posts, or are just staring at their words through disbelieving red, white and blue eyes.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:08 AM  

bulldg4life: You mean besides the subsidies already built in to the bill to help those who can't afford it?


Yes. Where will that money come from?
 
2012-06-28 11:01:16 AM  

Jjaro: Kennedy went right and Roberts went left? That's surprising.

And are the liberals on Fark and the op-eds around America going to stop complaining about how biased and partisan the Supreme Court is now?


Sure, just as soon as the conservatives solemnly promise to never again use "activist judge."
 
2012-06-28 11:01:19 AM  

Publikwerks: YoungSwedishBlonde: Holy farking shiat, Roberts upholds Obamacare? My mind is full of billions and billions and billions upon billions of f*ck.

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...So full of f*ck


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2012-06-28 11:01:26 AM  

WombatControl: Legally, this was a piss-poor decision. Yes, the Commerce Clause end of things was upheld, but the SCOTUS basically saved Congress by doing something that Congress never intended to do. That's judicial activism. If Congress had intended the mandate to be a tax, they could have done so directly. SCOTUS inferred that's what they did, which is not the proper role of a judge.

Politically, anyone who wants to argue this is good for Obama is kidding themselves. This is the worst outcome for Obama. (The best being the bill being upheld under the Commerce Clause, the second best being the bill being totally struck down.) Why is this the worst outcome?

1.) This just energized the living fark out of the GOP base. It was ObamaCare that motivated the Tea Party in 2010. Now it's going to do the same in 2012.

2.) It just took away their "RomneyCare" attacks. (Yes, the whole "RomneyCare" bit was incoherent to begin with, but it's less coherent now.)

3.) Obama is now responsible for a major middle-class tax increase. After saying that he wouldn't raise taxes. Repeatedly. This will be in every Romney attack ad through this election season. It should be in them now.

From now on, it's not "ObamaCare." It's the "Obama Health Care Tax". Let's have the President own his massive tax hike right through to November.


Doesn't matter. Americans got health care. This is a win for the American people, not just Obama. Obama will now go down as the first president who got Americans health care. His legacy in that regard, not to mention countless other things he's done as president, will solidify him as one of the greats.

And yes I expect him to fully whip Romney's ass in November.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:31 AM  

colon_pow: the court should have sent it back to congress and told them to rewrite the bill and vote on it with the public's knowledge that this is a tax. I don't understand why Roberts rewrote it for them. it wasn't sold as a tax.

can you say bait and switch?

colon_pow is disappoint.


can we go back and redo the votes for the wars too? knowing what we know now.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:36 AM  

soporific: This will not cost Obama votes, and in fact this could help shore up support, because the people who really benefit will now have a motivation to get out there and vote. If the Dems are smart, and who knows they might surprise us, then they'll make sure those pesky non-voting young people realize that letting Republicans take control will directly impact them. If Republicans make this a central issue, they might motivate a lot of voting against them.


This. Anyone dense enough to use a Supreme Court decision upholding an act of Congress as a major motivation for voting against Obama was never going to vote for Obama in the first place.

If anything, it will increase conservative apathy cause the teabaggers don't think their Lord-and-Savior Mitt Romney (lol) can be trusted to do anything.
 
2012-06-28 11:01:42 AM  

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


point......laugh.......runs away
 
2012-06-28 11:01:54 AM  

Valiente: RantCasey: And commence the Republican butthurt.....NOW.

Will butthurt merit a two-dollar salve now?


At least the salve is now covered under Obamacare, so they should be okay.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:01 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: bulldg4life: Not if he has health insurance.

Just like a million other things he could do to receive tax credits.


And if he doesn't purchase insurance? And those that can't afford it? Who will pay for them?

The funny thing is that I was repeatedly berated here for calling Obamacare a tax. It will be interesting to see how this fleshes out. On the upside for Obama, he got his bill. On the downside, it could be a "read my lips" situation for him.


It's much like the taxes I pay for being childless, single and not owning my own home.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:06 AM  

lohphat: HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it

Herp derp!

You show up in an ER they have to treat you freeloaders. That's why we pay 3x what other countries pay per capita.

It's about time you shoplifters pay up.


Weird, yet you don't think people should pay for their own food, house, education, or children? Why are liberals so silly?
 
2012-06-28 11:02:09 AM  

MasterThief: From SCOTUSBlog: "The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause [arguments in favor of the ACA] should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition."


the commerce clause has been stretched to include basically anything that congress says it does and the courts have upheld it. It seems unlikely that there's any real danger of Congresses authority being limited too much on that front.

/haven't managed to make it through all 193 pages of the opinion quite yet
 
2012-06-28 11:02:26 AM  

Thunderpipes: It is a loss for Obama.


WombatControl: This is the worst outcome for Obama.


It'll be about an hour before they're rolled up in the fetal position screaming "This isn't happening!", in between Silkwood showers.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:31 AM  
All you conservative lunatics trying to spin this as bad for Obama and the Dems just know this: now, in order to get rid of the advances from HCR, the GOP will have to

1) Win the Pres election (will not happen)
2) Keep the house (okay, you got one probably)
3) Take the Senate (maybe)

Regardless, the Dems in the Senate can just filibusterer for years if they want to and nothing will happen that will overturn HCR.

It's over, you lost. The people won.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:36 AM  

Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.


Giggity.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:37 AM  

colon_pow: it wasn't sold as a tax.


Everybody knew it was a tax. "This tax shall not be considered a tax" or some such stupid shiat was even in the bill.
 
2012-06-28 11:02:48 AM  
Next step: single payer!
 
2012-06-28 11:02:52 AM  
the #tcot tag on twitter is getting some work right now
 
2012-06-28 11:02:56 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: 3 of the 4 boxes have failed. Time to break out the 4th box. Good thing I've been teaching the boys how to do it as well.


LOL, go for it you dork.
 
2012-06-28 11:03:00 AM  

Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?


This decision never would have impacted that particular pleasantry either way. Quit going to dumpy hospitals...
 
2012-06-28 11:03:06 AM  
Later today I'll repost quotes from the FARK "experts" telling me how wrong I was that the mandate was not a tax.
 
2012-06-28 11:03:09 AM  

wood0366: I'm still at a loss as to why "tax and spend" is a bad idea... Someone please explain it to me?


It's like saying "earning enough to spend, and spend" is bad. Only a moron would fall for it, and repeat it as an epithet as if it were a SANE thing to be against.
 
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