What does Whitney Duncan think?

Babwa Wawa: Local Man: Why does CNN have "Mandate Struck Down" tattooed on their front page...?

/which news agency has reading comprehension issues?!?

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My guess is that they saw that the commerce clause doesn't apply...but didn't keep reading.

Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.

Would you like that arranged? No fee.

the court should have sent it back to congress and told them to rewrite the bill and vote on it with the public's knowledge that this is a tax. I don't understand why Roberts rewrote it for them. it wasn't sold as a tax.

can you say bait and switch?

colon_pow is disappoint.

I'm still always shocked by how ridiculously stupid and uninformed most Americans are about their own health care.

A question: Would you tell the hospital to turn away someone dying because they couldn't pay?

If you answered yes, you're a sociopath. Seek help.

If you answered no, you believe in socialized medicine. Now we're just talking degrees of it. The American government spends more on health care than any other country in the world (per capita). Then of course you all have to pay for health insurance too. So fully socialized medicine would allow lowering taxes.

I'm still at a loss as to why "tax and spend" is a bad idea... Someone please explain it to me?

My Freeper friends and acquaintances are going absolutely apeshiat. A good friend of mine - sweet girl, but ultra-conservative - is calling this the death of Democracy as we know it, and that we're headed Europe's way.

Corvus: How is paying a tax if you don't "forcing you". Is the income tax "forcing you" not to make an income?

You don't pay income tax to a private corporation. Yet. Although the line between corporations and the state is now so blurry as to be functionally meaningless. I am not surprised that you are happy about this.

I love it. Teabaggers go on & on about how much they hate "Obamacare"

But if you ask them if they like the idea of preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and they're in favor.

if you ask them if they supported requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees, and they're all for it.

If you ask them if they favored allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26, they're mostly cool with that.

If you ask them if they're in favor of mandatory health insurance for all Americans, and they're AGAINST it. However, if you ask them how the uninsured people should be handled, their answer is pretty much "Let them crash"

So... they hate "Obamacare," but they mostly agree with "Obamacare."

LarryDan43: Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.

Prove it.

LOL nope. I don't want to threadjack.

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with updated super not racist text for whiners

I don't get how the Medicaid thing works; how is it that increasing the funding for a program for the states while also increasing the requirements for the states to qualify for the program is illegal unless you still give the states the previous level of funding if they comply with the previous requirements? The government changes the amount the states must match all the time for states, and it's always been they either accept the new rules or forgo federal funding for Medicaid (correct me if I'm wrong). Now that they are saying "we're increasing funding so you will have to pay more to match it" the Court has decided states can determine what amount they are willing to pay and the federal government must adjust funding to match what the state offers instead of saying that they aren't meeting the requirements? Were they just talking about the language in the bill itself or is this an overarching principle that might be applied elsewhere?

ukcsmajor: CNN. No matter what your political viewpoint, you gotta respect a news organization that gives everyone what they want to hear.

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I posted this is the other thread, along the same lines:

So what about working poor whose employers don't offer insurance, they pay the tax that they can ill afford and what do they get in return? Do they get health care in return? Can someone fill me in on how this doesn't fark over the uninsured? I don't think we had a problem with people refusing or choosing not to have insurance, just unable to afford not offered or refused by insurance co.

Phinn: Really, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can avoid all federal taxes. It's really not that hard.

Ah, finally the Cons show up to "love" their country with all of the respect and responsibility of enjoying a four course meal and driving away when the bill comes.

What models for society!

Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.

But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?

They already use my taxes to fight wars I don't agree with, and to give bailouts to failing companies. How about taxes actually being used for something useful once?

truthseeker2083: Good! Next step, single payer!

We can only hope. I consider myself more to the right of center, but single payer is the only real way to do this.

Now there is absolutely ZERO reason for a health insurance company to lower premiums. They know people will buy insurance (if it's cheaper than the tax), so they can keep their prices just high enough so the cost/benefit is to buy the insurance instead of paying the tax. That's the magic premium cost right there. And, that'll be for a super-high deductible plan as well. Everything else will cost more. All the other companies will do the same (effectively an oligopoly). This won't make insurance any cheaper.

So many of my republican friends on FB are awfully silent. I wonder if they deleted the drafts of their "victory" posts, or are just staring at their words through disbelieving red, white and blue eyes.

Jjaro: Kennedy went right and Roberts went left? That's surprising.

And are the liberals on Fark and the op-eds around America going to stop complaining about how biased and partisan the Supreme Court is now?

Sure, just as soon as the conservatives solemnly promise to never again use "activist judge."

Publikwerks: YoungSwedishBlonde: Holy farking shiat, Roberts upholds Obamacare? My mind is full of billions and billions and billions upon billions of f*ck.

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...So full of f*ck

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

point......laugh.......runs away

Valiente: RantCasey: And commence the Republican butthurt.....NOW.

Will butthurt merit a two-dollar salve now?

At least the salve is now covered under Obamacare, so they should be okay.

lohphat: HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it

Herp derp!

You show up in an ER they have to treat you freeloaders. That's why we pay 3x what other countries pay per capita.

It's about time you shoplifters pay up.

Weird, yet you don't think people should pay for their own food, house, education, or children? Why are liberals so silly?

Thunderpipes: It is a loss for Obama.

WombatControl: This is the worst outcome for Obama.

It'll be about an hour before they're rolled up in the fetal position screaming "This isn't happening!", in between Silkwood showers.

All you conservative lunatics trying to spin this as bad for Obama and the Dems just know this: now, in order to get rid of the advances from HCR, the GOP will have to

1) Win the Pres election (will not happen)
2) Keep the house (okay, you got one probably)
3) Take the Senate (maybe)

Regardless, the Dems in the Senate can just filibusterer for years if they want to and nothing will happen that will overturn HCR.

It's over, you lost. The people won.

Grables'Daughter: Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.

My panties are not in a bunch.

Giggity.

colon_pow: it wasn't sold as a tax.

Everybody knew it was a tax. "This tax shall not be considered a tax" or some such stupid shiat was even in the bill.

Next step: single payer!

the #tcot tag on twitter is getting some work right now

Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

This decision never would have impacted that particular pleasantry either way. Quit going to dumpy hospitals...

wood0366: I'm still at a loss as to why "tax and spend" is a bad idea... Someone please explain it to me?

It's like saying "earning enough to spend, and spend" is bad. Only a moron would fall for it, and repeat it as an epithet as if it were a SANE thing to be against.