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2012-06-28 10:46:51 AM
Not only did he get (a degree of) health care reform passed, he has also riven FreeRepublic.com from the fabric of the internet. ALL HAIL OBAMA.
 
2012-06-28 10:46:51 AM
Looking forward to seeing the health care exchanges go up. Might have to start looking at doing some independent contracting work!
 
2012-06-28 10:46:57 AM

ialdabaoth: Ok, look. This is simple.

If someone can't afford to stay competitive, why do they deserve to compete?

If someone can't afford to keep working, why do they deserve to work?

If someone can't afford to stay healthy, why do they deserve health?

If someone can't afford to stay alive, why do they deserve to live?

You get what you pay for. If you can't afford to pay, well... I suppose it's polite to pretend that it was nice knowing you, but you aren't much use anymore, are you?

And if you disagree with all of the above statements, great! Politics takes money. If someone can't afford a lobbyist or a campaign, why do they deserve to have an opinion?


Brilliant! 10/10! This, gentlemen, is how you troll!
 
2012-06-28 10:47:09 AM

Jackson Herring: error 303: I got a breaking news alert on my phone from CNN that the individual mandate was struck down, then a correction 15 minutes later.

You suck so hard CNN. I hope people lose their jobs over this one.

CNN - The president has been shot.

Correction - The president has shot a personal best three under par this weekend.

Delete the CNN app and get the AP News app.


It is done.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:22 AM

PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate". Also, this is the end of the country.


Advise him not to breed.
/Please.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:25 AM
Step 2.

Take the supersaturates of diabetes inducing sugar out of our beverages.
The cardiovascular diesease inducing trans-fat out of our food.
The pink slime out of our meat.
The industrial food process out of our health-care costs.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:29 AM

Corvus: MY JUSTIFICATION OF IT BEING A TAX WAS RIGHT!

How many farkers on here attacked me for saying that?


You're still wrong, you're just not incorrect. Also, racism.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:29 AM
Yay more taxes to pay!!!!
 
2012-06-28 10:47:34 AM

lousyskater: jayhawk88: Man I can't wait until my nutjob extended family members get home tonight and start tearing up Facebook.

It has already started on my end. POPCORN TIME.


Heh. I seriously don't think I'll be able to resist lobbing a hand grenade in on this one. Something along the lines of "Does this mean Blue Cross will have to declare bankruptcy?"
 
2012-06-28 10:47:39 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 640x281]


* shakes tiny impotent fist of rage *

Yakk: Free Republics servers have blown up, this will be added to the conspiracy mix.


i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 10:47:44 AM

Smeggy Smurf: 3 of the 4 boxes have failed. Time to break out the 4th box. Good thing I've been teaching the boys how to do it as well.


Looks like we got ourselves a member of the Fighting Keyboards.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:47 AM
Really now you can't call people idiots on here anymore? Whats the point?
 
2012-06-28 10:47:49 AM

GeeksAreMyPeeps: MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.

And that is how the GOP and FoxNews will spin this




Well, that is the actual SCOTUS decision, so they really don't need to spin it.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:53 AM

bulldg4life: Not if he has health insurance.

Just like a million other things he could do to receive tax credits.



And if he doesn't purchase insurance? And those that can't afford it? Who will pay for them?

The funny thing is that I was repeatedly berated here for calling Obamacare a tax. It will be interesting to see how this fleshes out. On the upside for Obama, he got his bill. On the downside, it could be a "read my lips" situation for him.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:57 AM
Ah, so a descendent of the conservative market-based health care plan designed by the Heritage Foundation that suddenly became "socialism" when the Clintons got interested in it finally got passed. What a dark day for conservatives who favor market-based solutions.
 
2012-06-28 10:47:59 AM

Lernaeus: /looking forward to more "suck it" kindness and compassion from the left today


Aw does it not feel good when you are on the receiving end?
 
2012-06-28 10:47:59 AM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 10:48:01 AM

Epicedion: Free Republic post headings:

Will John Roberts be remembered in history the same as Benedict Arnold?

Today is The Day U.S. Citizens Became Slaves of Their Government

ObamaCare ruling means Americans hostage to 70 years of Supreme Court madness


Only in America, where ensuring that citizens have health care is seen as tyranny.

You people are well and truly farked.
 
2012-06-28 10:48:02 AM

HulkHands: Can't force you to have health insurance, but they can tax you for it


So this just exposes yet again how big of a liar Obama is. He repeatedly and forcefully told the US in public that this was in no means a tax while at the same time he has his lawyers argue in court that this IS a tax.

His campaign promise that he would not raise taxes on anybody earning over (what was it?) $250,000 has now just been verified by SCOTUS as a lie. He just raised taxes on the poorest of the poor. I wonder if Roberts intentionally gave the Repubes a campaign issue to hammer on Obama with.
 
2012-06-28 10:48:25 AM
Here comes the law of unintended consequences. If you thought health care was bad before.............
 
2012-06-28 10:48:37 AM

Thunderpipes: 17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

90% of HSA plans will not qualify by the way. Remember when you could keep your current insurance? 14 million people use HSA plans. So over 12 million people will be forced to drop their plans or pay more just on that alone.

It is a loss for Obama, Vodka posting moron. He will lost millions of votes because of this. The Medicaid part screws his plans, and all America loses. This is bad news, for Obama.


Oh wow, I've not seen this phrase used unironically in years. That's just beautiful. Gonna go on about the statisticals next?
 
2012-06-28 10:48:39 AM
The freepers are comparing John Roberts to Benedict Arnold lol.
This is an actual thing that just happened.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-n ews/2900394/posts
 
2012-06-28 10:48:47 AM

weave: What's best about this is the wingnuts planned the word Obamacare to be a derogatory term but now it will live for decades as a term giving a Democrat credit for something that they'll never be able to get rid of because people would go ape about it.



Nah... in time they will say it was modeled on a plan created by conservatives, on a plan implemented by a Republican governor... that THEY created it... and that it could not have passed without the help of Republicans in Congress... before you know it, the dumbshiats will be running around calling it ConservaCare of RomneyCare and saying that Obama botched it and nearly tanked the whole damn thing.

Hell, they try to claim Martin Luther King Jr. for Christ's sake.
 
2012-06-28 10:48:52 AM

Evil Mackerel: PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate". Also, this is the end of the country.

Advise him not to breed.
/Please.


testimate?
 
2012-06-28 10:49:01 AM
Congratulations to Governor Romney on the Supreme Court upholding the Constitutionality of his health care law!
 
2012-06-28 10:49:07 AM

canyoneer: Not surprising.

First SCOTUS ruled that the state can seize your property and turn it over to a corporation of its choosing.

Then it ruled that corporations can spend unlimited money to influence the political process.

Now it has ruled that the state can force you to buy a product from a corporation of its choosing.

If you object to any of this, there is a law on the books (which no one has "standing" to challenge) which allows the state to declare you a "terrorist" based on secret evidence that you are not allowed to see, and based on this to subject you to indefinite detention and/or extra-judicial execution.

Sounds like everything is in place now.


How is paying a tax if you don't "forcing you". Is the income tax "forcing you" not to make an income?
 
2012-06-28 10:49:12 AM

Thunderpipes: Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.

At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.

Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.

Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.


Oh, my. You are spectacularly dense.

1. SCOTUS called it a tax
2. We've established that behavior can be regulated with taxes for decades (what's that tax on cigarettes again?)
 
2012-06-28 10:49:19 AM

Jackpot777: * shakes tiny impotent fist of rage *


I work fast. How do you think I've had so much TF without paying for it? It's not JUST sexual favors.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:22 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I really,

really,

really,

really hope so.


I don't think there's any other possibility. Wait and see what happens now that the "reform" has made for a whole new crop of captive customers and there's still no control for health care costs. When it all comes tumbling down, single payer will be the only option left.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:26 AM
Holy crap. Free Republic is starting to look like freakin' Alderan.

So many voices crying out... So... much... pain!
 
2012-06-28 10:49:30 AM
Damn it, I have so much work to do today, couldn't they have announced this tomorrow so the butt hurt could last all weekend?
 
2012-06-28 10:49:36 AM

dwrash: Striking down the medicaid expansion part is going to make implementation interesting..


You think this is actually about whether the program will work? That's cute.

it's about point-scoring and power. Whether this makes anybody healthier is quite beside the point. 45 years worth of a colossal state Medicaid program with all the bells and whistles hasn't made poor New Yorkers any noticeably healthier than their poor counterparts elsewhere.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:36 AM

dwrash: Striking down the medicaid expansion part is going to make implementation interesting.. since we know the Republicans will not do anything to fill that gap.


They didn't strike down the expansion. They struck down the penalty of the feds withholding normal Medicaid funds to states that opt out of the expansion.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:38 AM

jayhawk88: Man I can't wait until my nutjob extended family members get home tonight and start tearing up Facebook.


Haha, I'm with you there. I have a cousin who, no lie, named his kid Rush. He refuses to believe anything not told to him by Fox or conservative talk radio. Today is going to be an entertaining day, even if Obama is taking away all of my freedoms and dooming this country and raping my soul.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:45 AM

Aphostile: Only in America will so many people get their panties in a bunch over something that will help so many in need.


At the expense of the majority, nice.

vpb: MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.

Except that the tax is only on people who don't get insurance. So no, he didnt' unless you think all or most of the middle class will refuse insurance.


wrong...20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956
 
2012-06-28 10:49:51 AM

pacochu: Obama should land on a hospital roof in a Life Flight helicopter while wearing a paramedics uniform.


That's spiking the football!

/derp
 
2012-06-28 10:49:56 AM
HELL YEAH~!!!!
 
2012-06-28 10:49:56 AM
John Roberts May Have Tipped His Hand On 'Obamacare' Reasoning

BRIAN BEUTLER MARCH 26, 2012, 5:43 PM

In a little-noticed exchange Monday, conservative Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts may have tipped his hand that he's entertaining the possibility that the health care law's individual mandate can be upheld on a constitutional basis that's different from the one supporters and opponents have made central to their arguments.

For over a year now, observers and experts have assumed that the court's final decision will hinge on the extent of Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. But the justices could also upend that conventional wisdom, and in a worrying sign for the plaintiffs on Monday, Roberts unexpectedly highlighted one way they could do that.

In an exchange with a plaintiffs attorney, Roberts suggested he's skeptical that the mandate and its penalties can be treated separately and may have opened the door to finding that Congress' power to impose the mandate springs from its broad taxing power.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:01 AM

Glenford: Epicedion: Free Republic post headings:

Will John Roberts be remembered in history the same as Benedict Arnold?

Today is The Day U.S. Citizens Became Slaves of Their Government

ObamaCare ruling means Americans hostage to 70 years of Supreme Court madness

Only in America, where ensuring that citizens have health care is seen as tyranny.

You people are well and truly farked.


encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-06-28 10:50:08 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 640x281]


I just want to know why "pocketbook" keeps getting used in the press. Does anybody, anywhere say that these days? It's like "beverages."
 
2012-06-28 10:50:09 AM
Holy farking shiat, Roberts upholds Obamacare? My mind is full of billions and billions and billions upon billions of f*ck.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:18 AM
SUCK IT, CONS. SUCK IT HARD.

/best thing I could have possibly woke up to
 
2012-06-28 10:50:18 AM

zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes


This will mean you will be waiting for six hours because now everyone will at least have Medicaid insurance that no primary care doctors will take. This means 20 million more people will be going to the ER for both non-emergent concerns and for emergent conditions that they normally wouldn't have gone to the ER before the mandate for fear of going bankrupt. As an ER doc I will no longer be required to provide government mandated charity care as we as a nation will pay for those unable to afford insurance and will require those who can afford insurance to have it. Looks like I won't be having a problem staying busy at work.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:19 AM
p.twimg.com
 
2012-06-28 10:50:21 AM
On a more serious note, I'm kinda irritated by how all the reporting is told from a political perspective rather than a constitutional one. Why the discussion devolves to another commentary on the political horse race (how it benefits Obama, Roberts sides w/ the libs) rather than stay focused on the effects of the law & the constitutional arguments underpinning the opinion & dissent is just another example of how the media dumb themselves down.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:28 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: John Roberts siding with the left wing of the court... MY GOD! THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!


Roberts is getting all activisty. :D
 
2012-06-28 10:50:33 AM

m1ke: Yay more taxes to pay!!!!


Actually small business who provides health insurance get a big tax CUT under this law.
 
2012-06-28 10:50:39 AM
So now how many companies, unions, and classes are exempt?
 
2012-06-28 10:50:42 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 10:50:45 AM
Fox News has now decided to cover News Corp. splitting into two parts instead.
 
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