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2012-06-28 10:39:50 AM
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "


i98.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-28 10:39:59 AM

MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.


And that is how the GOP and FoxNews will spin this
 
2012-06-28 10:40:02 AM
Free Republics servers have blown up, this will be added to the conspiracy mix.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:08 AM
YEA!!! Now i get punnished for working for a company that offers a good health care package!! YEA!! for the 40% tax on cadillac plans!!!! fark! nothing like punnishing those who work to pay for other lazy bastards.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:08 AM
Chief Justice Roberts does it for the lulz.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:09 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-28 10:40:13 AM
I got a breaking news alert on my phone from CNN that the individual mandate was struck down, then a correction 15 minutes later.

You suck so hard CNN. I hope people lose their jobs over this one.

CNN - The president has been shot.

Correction - The president has shot a personal best three under par this weekend.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:14 AM

NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down


Awesome. So farking awesome.

Maybe Obama won't spike the football, but I will.

*spikes it*

FU John Boehner and the Tea Party retards.

/Yeah I'll gloat about it
//Why?
///Because the RW in this country are filled with mental midgets
///And...fark you, that's why!
 
2012-06-28 10:40:14 AM

Babwa Wawa: Local Man: Why does CNN have "Mandate Struck Down" tattooed on their front page...?

/which news agency has reading comprehension issues?!?

[i.imgur.com image 640x450]


taking lessons from the Daily Mail I see
 
2012-06-28 10:40:15 AM

ManateeGag: where ARE the normal crop of conservitrolls? can't take it when they lose one? they should come take their lumps like real men.


Problem is, after re-listening to the oral arguments last night, I am forced to agree with the decision of the court that, although Congress cant compel you to engage in commerce, they can tax you as they see fit.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:26 AM
Surprised a Republican actually did the right thing.

Maybe they arent all evil.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:28 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 10:40:32 AM

RussianPooper: SphericalTime: Awwww. I was hoping for single payer during my lifetime.

I think the idea that single payer would have been a possibility if it had been struck down is pure fantasy.


Possibly, but a boy can dream.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:47 AM
p.twimg.com


/oblig
 
2012-06-28 10:40:48 AM
www.usefulidiots.net

/Oblig, hot, all that.

Roberts? Seriously? Meh, all's well that ends well.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:49 AM

PanicMan: Will need to read the decision and dissents before we fully understand what just happened.


Humanity won. With a giant push from John Roberts, no less.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:56 AM

SevenizGud: Great, now I get to buy health care insurance for another 16 million losers.


No, you get a tax increase.
 
2012-06-28 10:40:56 AM
Three things:

1) Can we finally put to rest the notion that the Supreme Court was rigged for Republican initiatives? It's tiresome, and in reality the butthurt that usually comes from SCOTUS decisions is because it's your particular ox that's being gored, not because they're ideologically fixed and conspiring to fark Democratic initiatives.

2) The Congress could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by simply calling it what it is, a tax. It was always a tax, and calling it something else was always a big charade. We need to get over this tax-averse attitude we have in this country if we wish to maintain any semblance of the standard of living we currently have. We can't continue to live off of other peoples' largesse for much longer.

3) Congratulations to Barack Obama on his reelection. This essentially sealed the deal, the rest is just pro forma screaming.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:07 AM

DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Thunderpipes: Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.

At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.

Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.

Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.

Congress levies taxes, not the executive, retard.

?


Obama controls his biatches, and you know it.

Still a loss for Obama. Can't work without the Medicaid expansion, and the states are pissed off and will not comply. Most Americans are against the mandate, so you just pissed off a bunch of people who are independents. He is a complete liar and flip flopper since he insisted this was NOT a tax. That will cost votes too.

Suck it, libs!
 
2012-06-28 10:41:08 AM
CNN. No matter what your political viewpoint, you gotta respect a news organization that gives everyone what they want to hear.

img441.imageshack.us
 
2012-06-28 10:41:09 AM
Fox News discussing how Obama raised taxes and how this will solidify support behind Romney.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:21 AM
Glad that's over.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:35 AM
CNN has sunk to a new level of SUCK on this day.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:38 AM
If the mandate had gotten struck down, we wouldn't suddenly be presented with a public option. We're decades away from that in this country no matter what.
 
2012-06-28 10:41:49 AM
Clarification from the BBC:

1033: Some explanation of what has just happened: the individual mandate has been upheld within Congress' power in the "Taxing Clause" (Article1, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Consitution). In a nutshell: The charge on those who do not acquire a suitable insurance will be a tax authorised by the taxing clause. And so the individual mandate as a whole will be a valid exercise of Congress's taxation power. Is that clear enough?
 
2012-06-28 10:41:51 AM

valar_morghulis: To all who opposed Obamacare: how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history yet again?


Does it count if we opposed it because it was a bandaid rather than a true fix for the actual problems with our healthcare system, and a massive waste of money compared to actually fixing anything?
 
2012-06-28 10:42:02 AM

Thunderpipes: RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.

But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?


Hasn't got anything to do with what Obama wants.

.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:04 AM

jayhawk88: Man I can't wait until my nutjob extended family members get home tonight and start tearing up Facebook.


It has already started on my end. POPCORN TIME.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:04 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: SevenizGud: Great, now I get to buy health care insurance for another 16 million losers.

No, you get a tax increase.


Not if he has health insurance.

Just like a million other things he could do to receive tax credits.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:06 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

$10 says they call for Roberts to be impeached (or worse).


Why would they do that? Obama would get to appoint another justice, who would surely be more liberal than Roberts.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:09 AM
Holy shiat, they struck down the stolen valor act too? What farking world did I wake up in?????
 
2012-06-28 10:42:13 AM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-28 10:42:24 AM

error 303: I got a breaking news alert on my phone from CNN that the individual mandate was struck down, then a correction 15 minutes later.

You suck so hard CNN. I hope people lose their jobs over this one.

CNN - The president has been shot.

Correction - The president has shot a personal best three under par this weekend.


Delete the CNN app and get the AP News app.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:25 AM
You know the best part about this? How many Supreme Court decisions get overturned? That's right - it's here to stay.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:26 AM

ukcsmajor: CNN. No matter what your political viewpoint, you gotta respect a news organization that gives everyone what they want to hear.

[img441.imageshack.us image 640x230]


So IE users get the left image and every other browser gets the right image?
 
2012-06-28 10:42:28 AM
Now let's take it back to what it would have been before it was watered down for the cons who said they would support it.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:29 AM
The SCOTUS is no longer a valid institution.

NEO NUREMBERG!

It is time to drag these crooks before a newly formed court.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:33 AM

Itstoearly: unlikely: This is a surprise. I honestly expected the 6-3 conservative court to rule more in favor of "fark the poors because they smell"

You have no idea how the supreme court works. Their job is to judge if something is constitutional, regardless of how awesome or terrible an idea is. They do not judge value.


GOOD ONE! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

*big breath*

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA LOL ELEVENTY!!!

/oh wait, you're serious.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:41 AM
I can't help but think this will mean that I will end up paying more for my plan, or that my employer will drop the benefit.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:45 AM

GAT_00: I don't believe it. I'm actually shocked.


Obamacare is the child of Romneycare. If it's struck down as unconstitutional.......... then you've cut off your nose to spite your face with both candidates.
 
2012-06-28 10:42:47 AM
Awesome. Universal health care will catapult the American society straight into the 20th century!
 
2012-06-28 10:42:54 AM
Lets look at al the awsome new and increased taxes in this fil
Taxes that took effect in 2010:

1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971

2. Codification of the "economic substance doctrine" (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks "substance" and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113

3. "Black liquor" tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105

4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980

5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004

6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399

Taxes that took effect in 2011:

7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959

8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959

Tax that took effect in 2012:

9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957

Taxes that take effect in 2013:

10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93


Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*

2012
15%
15%
35%

2013+
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%



*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:


First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee

Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed



Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93

12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for
13. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995

14. Flexible Spending Account Cap - aka "Special Needs Kids Tax" ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389

15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994

16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000

Taxes that take effect in 2014:

17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying "qualifying" health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following


1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults

2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285

2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975

2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085



Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS). Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337

18. Employer Mandate Tax (Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

19. Tax on Health Insurers ($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993

Taxes that take effect in 2018:

20. Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans ($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956



Read more: http://www.atr.org/tax-hikes-obamacare-scotus-rule-a6996#ixzz1z6D8OUVp
 
2012-06-28 10:43:08 AM
 
2012-06-28 10:43:08 AM
I've been telling people all along that they already deal every year with having to pay out for government mandated private auto insurance and that this wasn't much different. I was told, "but, but...I don't have to own a car!" I laughed. "You can't get to work, run errands, or do much of anything without a car outside of perhaps a few major urban areas," I told them. "No, you do have to own a car and you have to buy insurance for it and the government tells you that you must carry it and bring them proof you did so, period."

Mind you, I think that "Obamacare" is a horrible idea, will make the problem worse, create more debt, and I have a sneaking suspicion that was done on purpose by some Liberals (not Obama, he just wants to look like he's doing something...) within Congress at the time to ensure that we'd have socialized medicine in a decade.

But Constitutional? Yes. Just because something is a really horrible idea doesn't make it unconstitutional. That's a different argument.
 
2012-06-28 10:43:12 AM

Thunderpipes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Thunderpipes: 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.

Oh yeah, the States just love turning away Federal money.

Read the ruling, moron. Feds cannot withold money if states don't expand their Medicaid. That was the ruling. They cannot be penalized and will retain what they have. They just don't need to accept a while bunch of new people and be saddled with the burden. Big win. Obamacare was counting on this use of force to drum up money.


Again: the States just love turning money away. "Oh, you're going to give us more money for a new program?.. no, no, we're fine... we'll just sit here with our thumbs up our butts until our constituents find out we're leaving money on the table."

/It makes for great political grandstanding, but ultimately the States never refuse this kind of money even if there are strings attached.
 
2012-06-28 10:43:20 AM

Barnacles!: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "

[i98.photobucket.com image 610x368]


You should read the conservative blogs.. Roberts is, apparently, a direct descendant of Judas Iscariot..
 
2012-06-28 10:43:24 AM

Thunderpipes: DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Thunderpipes: Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.

At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.

Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.

Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.

Congress levies taxes, not the executive, retard.

?

Obama controls his biatches, and you know it. Still a loss for Obama. Can't work without the Medicaid expansion, and the states are pissed off and will not comply. Most Americans are against the mandate, so you just pissed off a bunch of people who are independents. He is a complete liar and flip flopper since he insisted this was NOT a tax. That will cost votes too. Suck it, libs!


This is not a bookmark. I will not be quoting this crybaby rant back to him many, many times in the future.

www.usefulidiots.net
 
2012-06-28 10:43:26 AM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Problem is, after re-listening to the oral arguments last night, I am forced to agree with the decision of the court that, although Congress cant compel you to engage in commerce, they can tax you as they see fit.


Of course they can. The tax that is not a tax is a tax after all.
 
2012-06-28 10:43:33 AM
Fox News is in full meltdown trying to spin this as a positive



cdn2.holytaco.com
....Meghan has looked better
 
2012-06-28 10:43:36 AM
Not surprising.

First SCOTUS ruled that the state can seize your property and turn it over to a corporation of its choosing.

Then it ruled that corporations can spend unlimited money to influence the political process.

Now it has ruled that the state can force you to buy a product from a corporation of its choosing.

If you object to any of this, there is a law on the books (which no one has "standing" to challenge) which allows the state to declare you a "terrorist" based on secret evidence that you are not allowed to see, and based on this to subject you to indefinite detention and/or extra-judicial execution.

Sounds like everything is in place now.
 
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