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(US Supreme Court) NewsFlash Supreme Court rules that Obamacare is constitutional. The bland mask that is Mitt Romney's face twitches with something called "emotion"   (supremecourt.gov) divider line 3382
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2012-06-28 10:33:26 AM

greentea1985: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: John Roberts siding with the left wing of the court... MY GOD! THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!

Roberts is a conservative but he tends to stick within the letter of the law of the Constitution, unlike Scalia and Thomas who like to legislate from the bench. Despite the pessimism, when I heard 19/20 constitutional scholars thought Obamacare is constitutional, I had a feeling it would survive.


That may be true, but I didn't foresee him being the swing vote.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:29 AM

NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down


I'm going to go there now.
Catch you guys on the flip side.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:34 AM

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


lol. explain.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:35 AM

SphericalTime: Awwww. I was hoping for single payer during my lifetime.


I think the idea that single payer would have been a possibility if it had been struck down is pure fantasy.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:37 AM
Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:43 AM
Weird, Obama stated over and over this is not a tax. Now he argues it is.

At least they shot down the forced Medicaid expansion. That will throw a big wrench into his plans. 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.

Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you. Buy an American car? Obama can impose a tax on you. Christian? Obama can impose a tax on you.

Now liberals, if we get a Republican advantage, how about we implement a tax on the unemployed? No job? Fine, pay a tax. I know you think you just won, but you just screwed everyone equally with another erosion of individual rights.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:50 AM

GAT_00: NowhereMon: LOL free republic is melting down

I bet. I can't believe Roberts swung on it either. Did it go 6-3? Seems unlikely that if Roberts went for it that Kennedy didn't as well.


Nope, 5-4 with Kennedy on the conservative side. " In opening his statement in dissent, Kennedy says: 'In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.'"

The 4 liberal justices thought it was a valid exercise under the Commerce Clause; Roberts joined them, but rejected the Commerce Clause argument in favor of the taxation argument.
 
2012-06-28 10:33:53 AM
It's a trap! tax!
 
2012-06-28 10:33:53 AM
Ok, the repukes would have lost either way, and now we have this...thing. So while reactionary butthurt is a wondrful thing.....

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2012-06-28 10:34:03 AM
if your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.

But taxes are constitutional.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:07 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."


That's probably dead-on correct. I can't wait.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:12 AM

RantCasey: And commence the Republican butthurt.....NOW.


This is beyond butthurt, Free Republic is talking Tax Revolt.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:12 AM

AmazinTim: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hard

You must mean suck it everyone, now we'll never fix health care. We'll just keep patching scabby band-aids onto the issue, just like this bill.


At least someone bothered with the band-aid when the wound has been festering open for nearly a century.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:14 AM

Andromeda: I'm amazed it was Roberts. That's just something I was not expecting.


This was the only surprise for me.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:15 AM

wxboy: Is that essentially what will happen, or is it something else?

I admit I haven't been paying close attention to this case (or ACA for that matter).


Something different. Your taxes will stay the same if you have insurance. They will go up substantially if you don't.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:16 AM

zipdog: Derek Force: So does this or does this not mean I have to wait in the ER for 3 hours because its filled with non-insured people who have the flu or a splinter?

Yes


No it doesn't now they are just insured people who don't know what is and what is not an emergency. This won't make people smarter.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:18 AM
How in the world are the illegal aliens that obama allows in this country going to afford the insurance mandate that obama ordered? Sheesh!
 
2012-06-28 10:34:20 AM
From the BBC:

1022: The insta-reaction begins: Matt Kibbe, head of anti-tax conservative Tea Party group Freedom Works, writes this in a fundraising appeal to supporters: "In a shocking and disappointing verdict, the Supreme Court upheld ObamaCare and its individual mandate as a tax, ushering in an unprecedented expansion of government power and handing a huge victory in Obama's Progressive plan to 'fundamentally transform America.'"

It's almost like these shills already have these talking points written out on a card.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:21 AM

AmazinTim: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hard

You must mean suck it everyone, now we'll never fix health care. We'll just keep patching scabby band-aids onto the issue, just like this bill.


Mmmmmm. . . . Yummy, yummy conservative butthurt tears. . . .
 
2012-06-28 10:34:24 AM

wxboy: So how exactly does this work? I've always thought the best way to encourage the purchase of health insurance was to either provide a large tax deduction or just allow the cost of insurance to be subtracted from the final income tax amount.

Is that essentially what will happen, or is it something else?

I admit I haven't been paying close attention to this case (or ACA for that matter).


The ruling seems to be more or less the former option: whatever they called it, it's a tax on not having insurance, so the net is the same as getting a deduction for having insurance.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:25 AM

PanicMan: My coworker just said "they can't do that because the founding fathers wrote the constitution based on the old testimate".


sounds like your co-worker was looking for an escape goat
 
2012-06-28 10:34:45 AM

SphericalTime: Awwww. I was hoping for single payer during my lifetime.


I wouldn't rule it out. Single payer is going to be the reform for the reform.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:47 AM

Lsherm: I was kind of hoping that they would strike it down and we'd get a true public option out of it, but this is probably for the best. Baby steps.


Kind of what I was hoping, too.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:47 AM

MasterThief: Silver lining based on SCOTUSBlog: The mandate was not a legit use of the commerce clause, but it was OK as a tax.

So yes, Obama and the Democrats did, in fact, raise taxes on the middle class. After repeatedly promising not to.


Not mine. I have health insurance.

So yeah, not really.

/a really weird way of doing things - punitive taxation...
 
2012-06-28 10:34:50 AM

MurphyMurphy: Fox News is PISSED


"see, see, see what happens when you let libruls in the court?!?! see!!??"

I love that the deciding vote was placed by a man Republicans put on the court. Just sweet sweet irony.


Roberts was a Dubya appointee, to boot
 
2012-06-28 10:34:52 AM
Someone should appeal.
 
2012-06-28 10:34:52 AM
So the Commerce clause actually has limits, but the Feds can create any sort of tax they want? This is great news!
 
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2012-06-28 10:34:59 AM

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


Yes, he has taken away our right to die from treatable ailments. The horror. The horror.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:02 AM

BunkyBrewman: FoxNews is keeping up the fight.

[a57.foxnews.com image 640x387]

/nothing like not updating the headline on their front page for at least half an hour after the decision has been made


Did anyone get a screen cap of CNN's "Dewey defeats Truman" level-of-fail headline banner and the subsequent correction?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:06 AM

Andromeda: I'm amazed it was Roberts. That's just something I was not expecting.

So goddamn it I guess we now have to care about our fellow man like Jesus said?!


Woah, let's not get carried away, alright?

GAT_00: I bet. I can't believe Roberts swung on it either. Did it go 6-3? Seems unlikely that if Roberts went for it that Kennedy didn't as well.


Justice Kennedy, I am disappoint...

From the Live Blog:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:15 AM
Does Kennedy just flip a coin these days?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:19 AM

TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.


No, conservative justice John Roberts did.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:29 AM

PanicMan: Will need to read the decision and dissents before we fully understand what just happened.


Roberts decided he didn't want to be a joke for the rest of his life, apparently.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:35 AM
Does this mean we'll go back to calling it Romneycare?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:36 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: Tomorrow's headline: "Mitt Romney says Obamacare was his idea from the beginning."


Yep, can see that now.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:40 AM
Anyone shout out "Activist Judges" yet?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:40 AM

GoldenFleece: [25.media.tumblr.com image 370x400]


Did the bartender just cut him off?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:48 AM

Thunderpipes: 26 states can tell Obama and the Feds to suck it now, and they will.


Oh yeah, the States just love turning away Federal money.
 
2012-06-28 10:35:50 AM
To all who opposed Obamacare: how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history yet again?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:55 AM

RolandGunner: Well, in the long run it's the best possible outcome if the law was going to be upheld. By changing the mandate penalty to a tax and, ruling out the commerce clause justification, the bill is upheld without issuing a blanket authorization for the federal government to force the purchase of goods and services.


But it just did. If Obama wants you to do something, you do it, or the feds tax you. That is force. Just wait until Pubs in the states start pushing something you don't like and enforce it with a tax..... Will you like it then?
 
2012-06-28 10:35:56 AM

Boxcutta: [i.imgur.com image 640x281]


I apologize for my previous accusation; I have since learned that CNN did incorrectly report that the "individual mandate" had been overturned.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:00 AM

MurphyMurphy: TIKIMAN87: Obama has just destroyed this country.

This is America. If you can't support our President in a time of war you can just leave.


I will once our president starts to support our country.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:04 AM

St_Francis_P: I doubt Mitt actually gives a crap one way or another.


Can you imagine what they would have run on? All summer long it would have been "Obama's unconstitutional health care bill", even if only certain parts of it were struck down...
 
2012-06-28 10:36:09 AM
The best part is the sweet sweet tears of the ... people who will benefit from this law?



oh irony.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:09 AM

mediaho: AmazinTim: NowhereMon: Suck it cons, suck it long and hard

You must mean suck it everyone, now we'll never fix health care. We'll just keep patching scabby band-aids onto the issue, just like this bill.

At least someone bothered with the band-aid when the wound has been festering open for nearly a century.


This. A baby step forward is still a step forward. And as conservative Boomers die off, we might actually get to make more of those steps, until America catches up with the rest of the civilized world.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:11 AM

Thunderpipes: Still scary. Means Congress can regulate your behavior via taxes. Vote Republican? Obama can impose a tax on you.


Yes. That's exactly what it means. This is a normal thing to think. You can count way past potato.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:12 AM

ManateeGag: where ARE the normal crop of conservitrolls? can't take it when they lose one? they should come take their lumps like real men.


Many of them avoid liberal circle jerk threads.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:13 AM

SphericalTime: Awwww. I was hoping for single payer during my lifetime.


There's no way we would have gotten single payer unless all the Rs and Blue Dog Ds were gone.
 
2012-06-28 10:36:21 AM
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2012-06-28 10:36:21 AM
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