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2012-06-28 10:29:35 AM  
Poot dwarf Spencer here.
 
2012-06-28 10:32:53 AM  
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
 
2012-06-28 10:56:22 AM  
I so badly want to learn to play this game, but I just don't have the time anymore these days. Or a computer to run it on, but that's a different story.
 
2012-06-28 11:24:32 AM  
this sounds awesome. Is the game free?
 
2012-06-28 11:25:47 AM  

Girion47: this sounds awesome. Is the game free?


All it costs is your life.
 
2012-06-28 11:28:08 AM  

Superjew: Girion47: this sounds awesome. Is the game free?

All it costs is your life.


Wiki with links to the download.
 
2012-06-28 11:29:10 AM  
I play Dwarf Fortress. It is indeed awesome. Everyone must read the saga of Boatmurdered.

My fortresses don't normally do that well.
 
2012-06-28 11:30:42 AM  
I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.
 
2012-06-28 11:35:11 AM  
Eh, DF isn't that hard to get into. There are several guides out there that walk you through setting up a starter camp, as well as helping you understand the interface along the way.

I used this one, and while it is slightly out of date, it will get you well on your way to a solid first fort:
The Complete And Utter Newby Tutorial For Dwarf Fortress
 
2012-06-28 11:35:20 AM  

shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.


THIS.

Seriously, I've tried to get into Dwarf Fortress, but my brain just can't handle the ASCII. I look at a Dwarf Fortress map and instead of a map, I see multi-colored DOS debugger output.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:04 AM  

shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.


You can download the game with image packs built in, which replace the ASCII with actual images.
 
2012-06-28 11:36:58 AM  
 
2012-06-28 11:37:04 AM  

shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.


There has not yet been a graphics card developed that could render Planepacked in all its glory.

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-28 11:58:28 AM  
Gotta go with subby on this one.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:59 PM  

shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.


I enjoy the irony of seeing my 4.2GHz i7 rig being brought to its knees by something that doesn't even make my video card get warm.
 
2012-06-28 12:35:25 PM  

Teufelaffe: shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.

THIS.

Seriously, I've tried to get into Dwarf Fortress, but my brain just can't handle the ASCII. I look at a Dwarf Fortress map and instead of a map, I see multi-colored DOS debugger output.


Get a graphics pack.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have earth to strike, places to dig (in a manner both greedy and deep), Forgotten Beasts to slay, Minecarts to weaponize, you know...You do know, right, you're not some kind of Elf, are you?
 
2012-06-28 12:46:27 PM  

likefunbutnot: I play Dwarf Fortress. It is indeed awesome. Everyone must read the saga of Boatmurdered.

My fortresses don't normally do that well.


You can go straight to hell. I just wasted over a half hour just skimming that garbage. I will never get that time back, and I am only through like 3 years. I hate you and hope a plague eats your face for showing me that time sink.

//j/k, sort of
 
2012-06-28 01:03:26 PM  
So we're greenlighting commercials now... Got it.
 
2012-06-28 01:06:07 PM  
Dwarf Fortress is awesome. It's not a game that holds your hand and cuddles, it tosses you in the deep end and makes you fight for survival. And it's FUN*

*for varying definitions of fun
 
2012-06-28 01:25:46 PM  
I treat Dwarf Fortress like I treat EVE Onllne. I love to read about it and the cool stories but there is no way in hell im giving up my life for it.
 
2012-06-28 01:38:46 PM  
Damn who ever linked that boatmurder thing. I'm laughing at starkravingmad's post.
 
2012-06-28 01:59:43 PM  
I just started playing this game 2 weeks ago. I got a graphics pack so I can see what the hell everything is supposed to be. But I don't understand what I'm doing. I can mine, harvest wood, assign rooms to dwarves (after I've built them) and make craft shops and doors and tables and stuff, but... Now what? Half of the things I try to build it says I can't do it because I'm missing something, but I have no idea how to get the thing im missing.
 
2012-06-28 02:08:18 PM  
dwarffortresswiki.org

CATSPLOSION!

/love DF
 
2012-06-28 02:08:19 PM  

Shakes999: I treat Dwarf Fortress like I treat EVE Onllne. I love to read about it and the cool stories but there is no way in hell im giving up my life for it.


Same here. I'd love to have a modern spacer game a la Homeworld. EVE Online is gorgeous and fun, but A) I don't dig subscription models for games, and B) it would consume my soul if I were to really get into it.

I'd like to get into DF but I can't wrap my feeble honkey brain around it
 
2012-06-28 02:16:34 PM  

likefunbutnot: I play Dwarf Fortress. It is indeed awesome. Everyone must read the saga of Boatmurdered.

My fortresses don't normally do that well.


As good as that is... I still thing Headshoots is far more impressive Dwarf wise...
 
2012-06-28 02:21:55 PM  
How is this game any different than Civilization or any of its progeny? You make a world put dwarves and junk in it and go eat a sammich while the game plays itself.
 
2012-06-28 02:38:03 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: How is this game any different than Civilization or any of its progeny? You make a world put dwarves and junk in it and go eat a sammich while the game plays itself.


It's a simulation of EVERYTHING. It's just ASCII and it takes a while to get used to (it probably helps that I'm a long-time Nethack player as well) but if you feel like it you can read text descriptions of whatever you want. There's a lot of awesome randomness and the fun is in finding all of it.
 
2012-06-28 02:42:27 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: How is this game any different than Civilization or any of its progeny? You make a world put dwarves and junk in it and go eat a sammich while the game plays itself.


Yeah, until one of your dwarves goes crazy and slaughters your entire fortress....

Not to mention the hundreds of other fun things that can happen at any time.
 
2012-06-28 03:11:05 PM  

Burr: Benjimin_Dover: How is this game any different than Civilization or any of its progeny? You make a world put dwarves and junk in it and go eat a sammich while the game plays itself.

Yeah, until one of your dwarves goes crazy and slaughters your entire fortress....

Not to mention the hundreds of other fun things that can happen at any time.


I thought all dwarves were crazy to begin with unlike their more sane midget cousins.
 
2012-06-28 03:23:23 PM  

Burr: Not to mention the hundreds of other fun things that can happen at any time.


The goal I've kind of set for myself is to create a fortress big and stable enough that I can dig into Hell.
 
2012-06-28 03:31:43 PM  
If you don't dig the ascii art, I recommend Mayday Green's graphics pack version of DF instead.

artgoblin.pl
 
2012-06-28 03:34:59 PM  

I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Link to Graphics Set Repository


You are my hero, and I don't expect to get anything done for a long time.

By the time I found out about Dwarf Fortress I was no longer able to stand ASCII graphics, having moved from ADoM and Nethack(admittedly not with ASCII but one of the old shiatty looking tiles sets) to playing IVaN and... something else, almost exclusively and couldn't find a tile set for it at the time.

Now I have two choices, I can forget I read that and go spend a few hours playing Spelunky... or I can pick a tile set.

/like that's a choice
//downloaded and installed before I even posted this
 
2012-06-28 03:37:29 PM  
Used to work in the same building as Valve in Bellevue Washington... yes... that Valve. (Halflife, portal etc)

Met some of the programmers and mentioned "Portal is my 2nd favorite game" to them. They looked at each other and then asked "what's your favorite"

I replied "Dwarf fortress"

There was some shuffling of feet among them.. .then one admitted... "It's our favorite game too,"

Dwarf fortress is amazingly fun, challenging, and supremely difficult and deep. If you don't like it... that's fine.... but it's one of those rare games that harken back to the 80's and 90s when games were tough and could last DAYS or WEEKS and not just hours.

Pretty does not equal good, and ugly does not equal bad. DF is one of those games that is just flat outright fantastic. And it'll bring your i7 to its knees out of pure demands on processor power.
 
2012-06-28 03:43:39 PM  

Bell-fan: Used to work in the same building as Valve in Bellevue Washington... yes... that Valve. (Halflife, portal etc)

Met some of the programmers and mentioned "Portal is my 2nd favorite game" to them. They looked at each other and then asked "what's your favorite"

I replied "Dwarf fortress"

There was some shuffling of feet among them.. .then one admitted... "It's our favorite game too,"

Dwarf fortress is amazingly fun, challenging, and supremely difficult and deep. If you don't like it... that's fine.... but it's one of those rare games that harken back to the 80's and 90s when games were tough and could last DAYS or WEEKS and not just hours.

Pretty does not equal good, and ugly does not equal bad. DF is one of those games that is just flat outright fantastic. And it'll bring your i7 to its knees out of pure demands on processor power.


So not on Android then?
 
2012-06-28 03:58:23 PM  

Bell-fan: And it'll bring your i7 to its knees out of pure demands on processor power.


To be fair, it will bring a single core of anything to its knees because it's not a multithreaded app.

Valve pisses me off. I want to play their games but I hate Steam with red-hot passion. For a company that can do no wrong in the eyes of gamers I think their content delivery system is plenty wrong all on its own.

/Maybe some day Portal will show up on GoG.com so I can actually play it with a license I can actually tolerate.
 
2012-06-28 04:06:28 PM  

Teufelaffe: shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.

THIS.

Seriously, I've tried to get into Dwarf Fortress, but my brain just can't handle the ASCII. I look at a Dwarf Fortress map and instead of a map, I see multi-colored DOS debugger output.


You should both be slapped until there is nothing left to slap.
 
2012-06-28 04:07:37 PM  

likefunbutnot: Valve pisses me off. I want to play their games but I hate Steam with red-hot passion. For a company that can do no wrong in the eyes of gamers I think their content delivery system is plenty wrong all on its own.

Maybe some day Portal will show up on GoG.com so I can actually play it with a license I can actually tolerate.


What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.
 
2012-06-28 04:10:03 PM  
Steep learning curve but amazing game if you have the time to really learn how to play it.
 
2012-06-28 04:19:45 PM  

I Like Bread: Teufelaffe: shortymac: I'd play this game, but it needs a better GUI. I can't stand the ACSII.

THIS.

Seriously, I've tried to get into Dwarf Fortress, but my brain just can't handle the ASCII. I look at a Dwarf Fortress map and instead of a map, I see multi-colored DOS debugger output.

You should both be slapped until there is nothing left to slap.


Why? Back when ASCII was the only option for games, I made do, but now that we're decades past that and can actually make graphical representations of things, I prefer to not have to decipher my game interface. I'd rather spend that time and mental effort on playing the game.

People can scream about how "graphics don't make the game" all they want, but a complex, arcane, UI when there doesn't need to be one just means I'll play something else instead.
 
2012-06-28 04:32:47 PM  

likefunbutnot: Bell-fan: And it'll bring your i7 to its knees out of pure demands on processor power.

To be fair, it will bring a single core of anything to its knees because it's not a multithreaded app.

Valve pisses me off. I want to play their games but I hate Steam with red-hot passion. For a company that can do no wrong in the eyes of gamers I think their content delivery system is plenty wrong all on its own.

/Maybe some day Portal will show up on GoG.com so I can actually play it with a license I can actually tolerate.


Yeah I don't get you. Steam has given me approximately zero problems regarding licensing, across multiple computers. What's the problem?
 
2012-06-28 04:35:57 PM  

JonnyBlack: I Havent Killed Anybody Since 1984: Link to Graphics Set Repository

You are my hero, and I don't expect to get anything done for a long time.

By the time I found out about Dwarf Fortress I was no longer able to stand ASCII graphics, having moved from ADoM and Nethack(admittedly not with ASCII but one of the old shiatty looking tiles sets) to playing IVaN and... something else, almost exclusively and couldn't find a tile set for it at the time.

Now I have two choices, I can forget I read that and go spend a few hours playing Spelunky... or I can pick a tile set.

/like that's a choice
//downloaded and installed before I even posted this


I've been playing Dungeon Crawl with the tileset add-on. thats hard and alot of fun.

I just started yesterday paying another Roguelike thats in Beta (and it has good graphics compared to most roguelikes)

TalesofMaj'Eyal
 
2012-06-28 04:39:56 PM  

Teufelaffe: What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.


When I paid for the $80 Half-Life 2 collector's edition, I have a 9600bps dialup connection to the internet. The DVD in the package basically was an installer for Steam that wanted me to download 2GB of crap from Valve in order to play. There wasn't anything to warn me ahead of time that was the case. It was and is bullshiat.

To this day, the machine where I normally play games does not talk to the internet. I can obtain installers from service like GoG.com or from physical install media, but of course Steam doesn't work that way (yes, yes "Offline mode" but that still requires a periodic authentication). My contention is that unless I can divorce the game from the content delivery mechanism, that mechanism represents an unwelcome intrusion on me and what I choose to do on my computer. I keep that machine offline in large part to make sure that the games I play are not broken in that manner. The last thing I want is to find that a game I enjoy is farked because it's tied to activation servers that someone decided not to maintain any more.

Most of my gaming at this point involves freeware like Dwarf Fortress or "retro" titles like Bioware AD&D games.
 
2012-06-28 04:47:27 PM  

likefunbutnot: Teufelaffe: What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.

When I paid for the $80 Half-Life 2 collector's edition, I have a 9600bps dialup connection to the internet. The DVD in the package basically was an installer for Steam that wanted me to download 2GB of crap from Valve in order to play. There wasn't anything to warn me ahead of time that was the case. It was and is bullshiat.

To this day, the machine where I normally play games does not talk to the internet. I can obtain installers from service like GoG.com or from physical install media, but of course Steam doesn't work that way (yes, yes "Offline mode" but that still requires a periodic authentication). My contention is that unless I can divorce the game from the content delivery mechanism, that mechanism represents an unwelcome intrusion on me and what I choose to do on my computer. I keep that machine offline in large part to make sure that the games I play are not broken in that manner. The last thing I want is to find that a game I enjoy is farked because it's tied to activation servers that someone decided not to maintain any more.

Most of my gaming at this point involves freeware like Dwarf Fortress or "retro" titles like Bioware AD&D games.


I highly doubt Valve is going to stop maintaining their activation services. As far as third-party games on Steam, that's a separate problem.

Half-Life 2 came out 8 years ago. At the time 2gb was a lot of data to download for some people, but you surely didn't expect the world to get less reliant on the internet did you? Steam has vastly simplified the way gamers can do their thing, even if it had a bit of a rocky start.

I'm not a fan of requiring activation on every play either [screw you Diablo 3] but Steam is a perfectly acceptable compromise between Valve protecting their interests and me using the products I paid for.
 
2012-06-28 04:49:52 PM  
Took me a year to figure out how to play intelligently, and another year to get good at it.

Days and days worth or lets plays to gather ideas.

DF has ruined all other games for me. I quit WoW, SWTOR, and Diablo 3 because they ended up feeling like games made for kids.

DF is made for men. Men with beards, Beards that you could crush rocks with. Or women with meta-physical beards of strength and commitment.

"Beard" is the new "balls."

Balls are for getting kicked in. Beards are for kicking them.

And none of this "pop" beard or "Thor the movie" beard. But a real farking beard that you could strangle a bear with.

All this talk aside, a book? Really? I stopped buying Prima guides when I reached puberty. I think the last one I bought was MOO 2.
 
2012-06-28 05:20:03 PM  

likefunbutnot: Teufelaffe: What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.

When I paid for the $80 Half-Life 2 collector's edition, I have a 9600bps dialup connection to the internet. The DVD in the package basically was an installer for Steam that wanted me to download 2GB of crap from Valve in order to play. There wasn't anything to warn me ahead of time that was the case. It was and is bullshiat.

To this day, the machine where I normally play games does not talk to the internet. I can obtain installers from service like GoG.com or from physical install media, but of course Steam doesn't work that way (yes, yes "Offline mode" but that still requires a periodic authentication). My contention is that unless I can divorce the game from the content delivery mechanism, that mechanism represents an unwelcome intrusion on me and what I choose to do on my computer. I keep that machine offline in large part to make sure that the games I play are not broken in that manner. The last thing I want is to find that a game I enjoy is farked because it's tied to activation servers that someone decided not to maintain any more.

Most of my gaming at this point involves freeware like Dwarf Fortress or "retro" titles like Bioware AD&D games.


So, you're basically the same as a guy complaining that asphalt wears down his horse's horseshoes too fast when compared to dirt roads. Sure, other people use cars, but that requires intrusive measures like a driver's license, vehicle registration, and car insurance. You're gonna stick with ol' Trigger here and complain bitterly about the evils of paved roads.
 
2012-06-28 06:20:04 PM  

Jurodan: likefunbutnot: I play Dwarf Fortress. It is indeed awesome. Everyone must read the saga of Boatmurdered.

My fortresses don't normally do that well.

As good as that is... I still thing Headshoots is far more impressive Dwarf wise...


Don't forget the tales of Tholtig Cryptbrain (wiki - the post in the first link is better than the wiki in terms of storytelling) and the Elf King of the Dwarves Cacame Apebalded.

The secret of Dwarf Fortress, much like Minecraft or any sandbox game, is to have an absurdly zealous and maniacal imagination. It's not the game itself that is necessarily additive (though it certainly can be), but rather the attempts to ascribe logic to the actions of the dwarves, and to concoct elaborate stories around the most mundane actions.
 
2012-06-28 06:23:45 PM  

PapaChester: All this talk aside, a book? Really? I stopped buying Prima guides when I reached puberty. I think the last one I bought was MOO 2.


There are talks of illustrating various DF stories into a book. You can not deny the awesomeness.
 
2012-06-28 06:27:33 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: likefunbutnot: Teufelaffe: What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.

When I paid for the $80 Half-Life 2 collector's edition, I have a 9600bps dialup connection to the internet. The DVD in the package basically was an installer for Steam that wanted me to download 2GB of crap from Valve in order to play. There wasn't anything to warn me ahead of time that was the case. It was and is bullshiat.

To this day, the machine where I normally play games does not talk to the internet. I can obtain installers from service like GoG.com or from physical install media, but of course Steam doesn't work that way (yes, yes "Offline mode" but that still requires a periodic authentication). My contention is that unless I can divorce the game from the content delivery mechanism, that mechanism represents an unwelcome intrusion on me and what I choose to do on my computer. I keep that machine offline in large part to make sure that the games I play are not broken in that manner. The last thing I want is to find that a game I enjoy is farked because it's tied to activation servers that someone decided not to maintain any more.

Most of my gaming at this point involves freeware like Dwarf Fortress or "retro" titles like Bioware AD&D games.

So, you're basically the same as a guy complaining that asphalt wears down his horse's horseshoes too fast when compared to dirt roads. Sure, other people use cars, but that requires intrusive measures like a driver's license, vehicle registration, and car insurance. You're gonna stick with ol' Trigger here and complain bitterly about the evils of paved roads.


No because horse shoes are also made of rubber for just that purpose.
 
2012-06-28 07:12:04 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: I created this alt just for this thread: likefunbutnot: Teufelaffe: What's your issue with Steam? I have over 200 games through Steam now and I've never had any difficulty with licencing or inability to play them at any point (and this is across multiple machines), so I always get curious when I encounter rabidly anti-Steam folks.

When I paid for the $80 Half-Life 2 collector's edition, I have a 9600bps dialup connection to the internet. The DVD in the package basically was an installer for Steam that wanted me to download 2GB of crap from Valve in order to play. There wasn't anything to warn me ahead of time that was the case. It was and is bullshiat.

To this day, the machine where I normally play games does not talk to the internet. I can obtain installers from service like GoG.com or from physical install media, but of course Steam doesn't work that way (yes, yes "Offline mode" but that still requires a periodic authentication). My contention is that unless I can divorce the game from the content delivery mechanism, that mechanism represents an unwelcome intrusion on me and what I choose to do on my computer. I keep that machine offline in large part to make sure that the games I play are not broken in that manner. The last thing I want is to find that a game I enjoy is farked because it's tied to activation servers that someone decided not to maintain any more.

Most of my gaming at this point involves freeware like Dwarf Fortress or "retro" titles like Bioware AD&D games.

So, you're basically the same as a guy complaining that asphalt wears down his horse's horseshoes too fast when compared to dirt roads. Sure, other people use cars, but that requires intrusive measures like a driver's license, vehicle registration, and car insurance. You're gonna stick with ol' Trigger here and complain bitterly about the evils of paved roads.

No because horse shoes are also made of rubber for just that purpose.


Yes, they make rubber horse shoes. You're very smart. Doesn't change the fact that this guy's argument against Steam is basically just "Fix OLD, no NEW!"
 
2012-06-28 07:25:10 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Yes, they make rubber horse shoes. You're very smart. Doesn't change the fact that this guy's argument against Steam is basically just "Fix OLD, no NEW!"


No. My argument is that if I pay for a game I want to own the game, not depend on an ISP and a software company and a publisher and potentially some kind of rights-management clearinghouse. I'm perfectly capable of keeping track of and using installation binaries all by myself like a big boy, so the "carrot" that Steam apparently brings to the table is meaningless to me.

I should be able to divorce content delivery from the actual content; it's the same reason I'll occasionally buy a track of music from Amazon or a game from GoG.com but I'd never buy music from Apple or a game from Steam.
 
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