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2012-06-28 09:17:15 AM  
LOL PRISON RAPE
 
2012-06-28 09:17:16 AM  
Little bit of a difference between this and the Zimmerman case.
 
2012-06-28 09:19:15 AM  
40 years, with time off...he will be out in 3 weeks.

But thats 3 solid weeks of rape rape.
 
2012-06-28 09:19:37 AM  
Yeah, who knew stand your ground didn't mean go trespass on a neighbor's yard, threaten them with a gun, and then shoot them. I CLEARLY thought that's what it mean to stand your ground.

Guy was an idiot.
 
2012-06-28 09:19:47 AM  

MattyFridays: Little bit of a difference between this and the Zimmerman case.


Yeah, looks like there were actual witnesses.

/Dead men tell no tales
 
2012-06-28 09:20:33 AM  
Incoming Zimmerman thread.
 
2012-06-28 09:20:37 AM  
At first I thought you accidentally the headline.

Upon the third reading I got it. Wouldn't it have been clearer with a "ground" after the "his".
 
2012-06-28 09:23:29 AM  

AFKobel: Wouldn't it have been clearer with a "ground" after the "his".


Wouldn't your question have been clearer with a question mark.

/?
 
2012-06-28 09:23:41 AM  
This whole case reminds me of the south park episode where they went hunting. He went to the guys house, instigated a fight and then said he felt threatened. Its idiots like him that prevent places like MN from being able to pass reasonable self defense laws.
 
2012-06-28 09:23:47 AM  

MattyFridays: Little bit of a difference between this and the Zimmerman case.


That doesn't mean that the MSM isn't going to try and equate the two. I heard an egregious example of that on NPR this morning on the way into work.

/Yes, I get my news from NPR, mostly.
 
2012-06-28 09:23:48 AM  
I hope his cellmate doesn't enjoy loud music.
 
2012-06-28 09:25:54 AM  
I like how the family says 40 years is too little, yet still says nothing will fix this. If killing him won't fix what he did, why do you feel the need to reduce yourself to the level of a killer?
 
2012-06-28 09:28:02 AM  
I don't recall texas having a stand your ground law like florida

there's the castle doctrine, and they have sort of extended that to vehicles, and workplaces but i don't think it's the same bs they have in florida

also, nothing prevented the idiot from walking back into his house
 
2012-06-28 09:28:57 AM  

GoodyearPimp: I hope his cellmate doesn't enjoy loud music.


Doesn't matter, without a gun, he isn't a badass.
 
2012-06-28 09:30:18 AM  
Eligible for parole in 20 years, what a joke. Guy should have gotten life or the death penalty IMO.
 
2012-06-28 09:31:05 AM  
Bill, the only juror who commented, said several members of the panel thought some of Danaher's guests were partially to blame for the shooting, because they charged Rodriguez.

Several members of the panel are assholes.
 
2012-06-28 09:31:52 AM  
He felt his ground that needed standing included his neighbors house, the street, the mall....
 
2012-06-28 09:34:15 AM  
Texas is horrible. If Florida wasn't Florida, Texas would be Florida.
 
2012-06-28 09:35:06 AM  
Lucky for us we get to pay for another Federal inmate to slowly die in prison.
 
2012-06-28 09:35:07 AM  
Wait. Four people on the jury thought he wasn't guilty? The hell?
 
2012-06-28 09:35:59 AM  

Sabyen91: Bill, the only juror who commented, said several members of the panel thought some of Danaher's guests were partially to blame for the shooting, because they charged Rodriguez.

Several members of the panel are assholes.


Apparently if some crazy ass comes to your house waving around a gun and your friends charge the gunman, they are partially to blame if somebody gets shot.

I wish this level of stupidity only existed in futuristic Mike Judge movies. I weep for our society.
 
2012-06-28 09:36:24 AM  

Rip Dashrock: GoodyearPimp: I hope his cellmate doesn't enjoy loud music.

Doesn't matter, without a gun, he isn't a badass.


You don't *KNOW* that. Besides which, not everyone in prison is necessarily a badass. He might end up sharing a cell with a kiddy-diddler or a guy who grew a few pot plants, or something like that.
 
2012-06-28 09:36:25 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Texas is horrible. If Florida wasn't Florida, Texas would be Florida.


"If I owned Texas, and I owned Hell, I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas."
-General Phil Sheridan
 
2012-06-28 09:36:33 AM  
I guess Uncle Jimbo was wrong
 
2012-06-28 09:37:18 AM  

Barbecue Bob: Lucky for us we get to pay for another Federal inmate to slowly die in prison.


You're a dumbass.
 
2012-06-28 09:39:34 AM  

epyonyx: Yeah, who knew stand your ground didn't mean go trespass on a neighbor's yard, threaten them with a gun, and then shoot them. I CLEARLY thought that's what it mean to stand your ground.

Guy was an idiot.


Well, if you only got your knowledge of SYG from the idiotic media reports about it then you might think this was a-okay. Because, you know, SYG is a license to hunt anybody anywhere so long as you simply feel you might have kinda sorta been in danger. Except, of course, it's not. As this guy discovered.

So I partially blame the fine folks in the media for spreading bad information. Although that seems to be all any of them, especially the cable guys do these days. That and shout a lot.
 
2012-06-28 09:40:17 AM  

Barbecue Bob: Lucky for us we get to pay for another Federal inmate to slowly die in prison.


You're a dumbass.
 
2012-06-28 09:41:20 AM  

max_pooper: Apparently if some crazy ass comes to your house waving around a gun and your friends charge the gunman, they are partially to blame if somebody gets shot.

I wish this level of stupidity only existed in futuristic Mike Judge movies. I weep for our society.


Partially to blame doesn't mean he isn't guilty. The logic is the opposite of stand your ground; they felt that the victims had a duty to try to defuse or not escalate the situation.

Ten years ago there was a drop dead gorgeous small time actress who was shot and killed in New York City. She and a few friends were coming from a restaurant when they were mugged at gun point. She refused to give the criminal her purse and said to him, "What are you going to do, shoot me?"

Same situation. Yes, the victims did, slightly, contribute to their deaths. But they were in their rights to do so and it in no way diminishes the guilt or punishment of the criminal.
 
2012-06-28 09:41:22 AM  

max_pooper: Barbecue Bob: Lucky for us we get to pay for another Federal inmate to slowly die in prison.

You're a dumbass.


HA!!!!!!

Oh wait....

I mean "shakes tiny fist"

/or shakes tiny penis - whatever you prefer
 
2012-06-28 09:43:26 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Ten years ago there was a drop dead gorgeous small time actress who was shot and killed in New York City.


Well, duh!
 
2012-06-28 09:43:35 AM  
This guy was a serious dumbass, because everything he did screamed premeditation. If it wasn't obvious enough that he went over to pick a fight while carrying a camera for CYA purposes, the fact that he specifically stated things (like "I'm feeling in danger for my life") to try to justify his actions was so blatant that only a fool wouldn't have convicted him.

If the situation had been a legitimate self-defense case, the likelihood of a camera being there is questionable. Even if having the camera was just convenient, I cannot see how anyone would devote the mental focus to playing it up for the camera in a situation where they truly felt in fear for their life. The guy knew what he intended to do before he went over, and he forced an escalation to occur that wasn't necessary.

I hope he enjoys his time in prison. Correct that--I hope his fellow inmates enjoy his stay at his expense.
 
2012-06-28 09:44:48 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Texas is horrible. If Florida wasn't Florida, Texas would be Florida.


Thanks to morans like you, I pretty much have this image bookmarked. 10 bucks says you're from bumblefark Ohio.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 09:45:54 AM  

MeSoHomely: This guy was a serious dumbass, because everything he did screamed premeditation. If it wasn't obvious enough that he went over to pick a fight while carrying a camera for CYA purposes, the fact that he specifically stated things (like "I'm feeling in danger for my life") to try to justify his actions was so blatant that only a fool wouldn't have convicted him.

If the situation had been a legitimate self-defense case, the likelihood of a camera being there is questionable. Even if having the camera was just convenient, I cannot see how anyone would devote the mental focus to playing it up for the camera in a situation where they truly felt in fear for their life. The guy knew what he intended to do before he went over, and he forced an escalation to occur that wasn't necessary.

I hope he enjoys his time in prison. Correct that--I hope his fellow inmates enjoy his stay at his expense.


I know this guy is a special kind of idiot, but damn. If he hadn't taken the camera or been on the phone, he'd at least have the "my word vs. theirs" defense. Why double record you being stupid and murdering someone?
 
2012-06-28 09:46:36 AM  
I feel sorry for him. If only Big Government would get out of the way of our divine right to pre-emptively shoot people in self-defense, our crime rates wouldn't be a problem. I mean, it makes perfect sense -- no one would be murdered if you killed the murderers before they murdered anyone. But no, they say you're the problem so they arrest you.
 
2012-06-28 09:48:29 AM  
What I'm failing to understand here, is that you guys think the guests were smart to charge a guy with a gun who is obviously intending to do something with it. They should have called the police, went back inside, flipped him off from inside the house while playing their loud music. Let the police handle it, not charge the guy in the street making "booga booga" noises like you are trying to fark with him. Add them charging him, with the drunk guy claiming to go get his own gun earlier, and I can see how he shot first and asked questions later.

/imo both parties handled this wrong
//cops should have handled it
///he even told them on the phone it's esculating beyond his control
 
2012-06-28 09:48:30 AM  

dittybopper: Yes, I get my news from NPR, mostly.


Where else in the US would you get actual news?
 
2012-06-28 09:49:31 AM  

Satanic_Hamster:
I know this guy is a special kind of idiot, but damn. If he hadn't taken the camera or been on the phone, he'd at least have the "my word vs. theirs" defense. Why double record you being stupid and murdering someone?


He said the proper words... he performed the proper ritual.
 
2012-06-28 09:49:33 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wait. Four people on the jury thought he wasn't guilty? The hell?


More like four people in the jury thought the neighbor's guests were the ones who really instigated and escalated the situation. Asking "The hell?" is still appropriate.
 
2012-06-28 09:50:07 AM  

fluffytuff: What I'm failing to understand here, is that you guys think the guests were smart to charge a guy with a gun who is obviously intending to do something with it. They should have called the police, went back inside, flipped him off from inside the house while playing their loud music. Let the police handle it, not charge the guy in the street making "booga booga" noises like you are trying to fark with him. Add them charging him, with the drunk guy claiming to go get his own gun earlier, and I can see how he shot first and asked questions later.

/imo both parties handled this wrong
//cops should have handled it
///he even told them on the phone it's esculating beyond his control


8/10
 
2012-06-28 09:50:33 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Texas is horrible. If Florida wasn't Florida, Texas would be Florida.


We don't have a "Texas" tag here on Fark, so they have that going for them.
 
2012-06-28 09:50:56 AM  

Masterstuff: Satanic_Hamster: Wait. Four people on the jury thought he wasn't guilty? The hell?

More like four people in the jury thought the neighbor's guests were the ones who really instigated and escalated the situation. Asking "The hell?" is still appropriate.


It is bad to defend yourself against someone defending himself...
 
2012-06-28 09:50:59 AM  

epyonyx: Yeah, who knew stand your ground didn't mean go trespass on a neighbor's yard, threaten them with a gun, and then shoot them. I CLEARLY thought that's what it mean to stand your ground.

Guy was an idiot.


More just a jerk and a criminal. He intentionally escalated the situation, with a video camera and careful calls to the police, careful words--overt manipulation trying to create a legal backing. It may have been only five minutes of premeditation, but he went in there with a plan to commit murder; he didn't consider that his obvious planning would make him an obvious criminal, rather than legally insulate him.

In this case, the prosecutors are right. Let's look at the defense:

Stradley and attorney Neal Davis said their client made the wrong call because of the "stand-your-ground" laws in Texas.

They claim that Raul innocently believed he had a right to be where he was; that he felt threatened, felt that he legally had a right to defend himself, to stand his ground. The above assertion even goes so far as to blame the law for making him believe he's right to shoot these people.

Prosecution:

Prosecutors said Rodriguez was trying to hide behind a law that protects responsible gun owners.

These people claim Raul was simply a bully looking for a way to look innocent in front of authority. We mock these people on cartoons, showing bullies beating and tormenting kids while teachers watch, giving lame excuses that try to make them sound helpful or pass off their poor behavior as the victim's fault. The prosecution claims that Raul is one of these such people, looking for a way to shoot someone in the face and then make himself look like the victim.

Given the circumstances, I'd say the prosecution is right. The jury has found the same way. All speculation about overt motives aside, this is a man who got up, collected his camera, his cell phone, and his gun, and approached his neighbors. He recited prepared micro-speeches, made a show of calling the police to complain he was threatened, and voiced subtle threats such as "I fear for my life, I think I'm gonna have to shoot someone" in order to upset the people he was confronting and drive them to attack preemptively--an attempt to protect themselves from an obvious madman, but in reality all to his plan to give him a legal excuse to shoot somebody.

Threatening someone until they're frightened for their life and then killing them when they attack you is not self defense. The man is a murderer. We are not discussing someone who killed an opponent he clearly could have overpowered and thus who shouldn't have been threatening; we're discussing someone who intentionally incited violence against him for the purpose of giving him an excuse to kill them. That is a carefully premeditated murder, not an abuse of circumstance or an overuse of force.

In Texas, he has to serve half his sentence before being eligible for parole. That means he's going to be in jail for at least 20 years unless he can appeal a shorter sentence--I'm not sure Texas allows you to shorten sentence on appeal (appeal cannot get you a longer sentence--lawsuits can increase or decrease damages, but criminal law cannot double-jeopardy and so an appeal is never a risk). It may allow shortening of sentences, or just all-or-nothing attempt to prove innocence or gain acquittal, or it may even have an exception for murder in which you must prove innocence in appeal. In any case, as-is he's stuck for 20 years; he's lucky he wasn't executed.
 
2012-06-28 09:51:45 AM  
The headline is just another example of how many people in this country advocate rape. "Oh but it's being done to a horrible person." Doesn't matter. You still advocate rape. And it's not always horrible people. Lots of non-violent criminals are raped in prison. Not to mention the leagues of innocent men in prison getting raped.

Congrats, you, like most Americans, advocate rape.
 
2012-06-28 09:52:25 AM  
This verdict is impossible. I have been assured by opponents of legal civilian self-defense that "stand your ground" laws invariably result in any individual who claims to be in fear of their life being acquitted of any charges filed related to homicide.
 
2012-06-28 09:52:33 AM  

Maud Dib: Epoch_Zero: Texas is horrible. If Florida wasn't Florida, Texas would be Florida.

Thanks to morans like you, I pretty much have this image bookmarked. 10 bucks says you're from bumblefark Ohio.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 377x480]


Nope, Missouri. It's a farking redneck hellhole and almost as bad as Ohio, but nowhere near the horror of Texas.
 
2012-06-28 09:52:39 AM  

Masterstuff: Satanic_Hamster: Wait. Four people on the jury thought he wasn't guilty? The hell?

More like four people in the jury thought the neighbor's guests were the ones who really instigated and escalated the situation. Asking "The hell?" is still appropriate.


Well... you at least have to admit that charging the obviously irrational and armed moron did at least provide a spark. Not that it lets the shooter off the hook.
 
2012-06-28 09:55:23 AM  

max_pooper: Sabyen91: Bill, the only juror who commented, said several members of the panel thought some of Danaher's guests were partially to blame for the shooting, because they charged Rodriguez.

Several members of the panel are assholes.

Apparently if some crazy ass comes to your house waving around a gun and your friends charge the gunman, they are partially to blame if somebody gets shot.

I wish this level of stupidity only existed in futuristic Mike Judge movies. I weep for our society.


If there was a crazy gunman at my house, and my friends decided to try and attack him, and he ended up shooting me... I don't think I'd be friends with those guys anymore (provided I survived the shooting...).

Don't bring a crew of drunk guys to a gun fight.
 
2012-06-28 09:55:44 AM  

Sim Tree: dittybopper: Yes, I get my news from NPR, mostly.

Where else in the US would you get actual news?


Well, they still have their slant, and this was a perfect example of it, equating Zimmerman who doesn't need to rely on SYG for his defense, classic "common law" self-defense covers it perfectly well, with this case, which was someone who intended from the start to game the system and kill someone while claiming self-defense.
 
2012-06-28 09:56:03 AM  
So, SYG and the magic words "I'm in fear for my life" don't excuse murder?

Who knew?

/this was premeditated murder: 40 years seems lite.
 
2012-06-28 09:58:48 AM  

fluffytuff: //cops should have handled it
///he even told them on the phone it's esculating beyond his control


That's absolutely the scariest part of the story. Dude called the police to tell them he was headed over there with a gun, and 22 minutes later they still hadn't shown up.
 
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