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2012-06-28 10:39:36 AM  
They've already been sold to Yum Yum Palace, so you wouldn't really want them back anyway...
 
2012-06-28 10:49:21 AM  
Pussies.
 
2012-06-28 10:51:44 AM  
That man's been doing the best he can with those cats. What it really is, is that the ASPCA and Peta went on a witchunt, trying to get him on every little thing they can, using a campaign of half truths and things blown out of proportion. At one point, the ASPCA even got the Sheriff's office to enter the home of one of the ranch's volunteers and take away her personal pet cats, simply because she happened to work at the ranch (they were later returned)

If you can, please donate to help them in their fight.

Official site

Livejournal page
 
2012-06-28 10:56:29 AM  
ahh.. so this is still ongoing. sad. from all that i gathered the guy was doing a heck of a lot of good, until PETA found out about him.
 
2012-06-28 10:56:57 AM  
As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?
 
2012-06-28 10:58:18 AM  
Boy, talk about where compassion and crazy meet. It seems like in order to make the charges stick, it should be pretty easy to determine whether the animals were actually mistreated or not. 700 is a lot of cats, but 30 acres is a lot of space. How many volunteers did he have?

How is he demonstrating he can care for that many animals?

What, precisely, defines a "zoo" anyway?
 
2012-06-28 11:11:25 AM  
Follow the money. The ASPCA is more of a fancy, secret pest control company, with it's hands in the pockets of every municipality for "special services."

I'm sure the cash strapped guy had decided long ago that the local talent at the SPCA was useless for the actual caring for live cats.

I'm sure the ASPCA decided that waiting a year after investigating would benefit them and certainly not the cats.
 
2012-06-28 11:13:26 AM  
The guy is an animal hoarder. Poor cats. My ex did cat rescue (I helped) and at one time we had 25 fosters. Believe me, that was a full-time job and the cost was about $600/month. I was so glad when she stopped fostering. But 700? Damn...
 
2012-06-28 11:28:34 AM  
this just blows my mind.... it's supposed to be the crazy cat LADY... not man....
wait... maybe he's a tranny! yeah.... that will make the world right agian.
 
2012-06-28 11:31:05 AM  

Hector Remarkable: As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?


0, unless you decided to not go after your met the men with cats.... because "were" is past tense and one can't tell if you reached Rascal Flatts before meeting the men or if you met them at Rascal Flatts.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:20 AM  
I don't understand what harm this guy was doing to the cats? Seems like they had adequate care, better care than being left as strays.

Leave the guy alone with his 30 acres and 700 cats
 
2012-06-28 11:46:34 AM  
Just return the 87 dead ones
 
2012-06-28 11:48:14 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: That man's been doing the best he can with those cats. What it really is, is that the ASPCA and Peta went on a witchunt, trying to get him on every little thing they can, using a campaign of half truths and things blown out of proportion. At one point, the ASPCA even got the Sheriff's office to enter the home of one of the ranch's volunteers and take away her personal pet cats, simply because she happened to work at the ranch (they were later returned)

If you can, please donate to help them in their fight.

Official site

Livejournal page


dantheman195: I don't understand what harm this guy was doing to the cats? Seems like they had adequate care, better care than being left as strays.

Leave the guy alone with his 30 acres and 700 cats


700 Cats Rescued From Florida Sanctuary

FTL: "The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases. Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites," according to the ASPCA.

Any questions?
 
2012-06-28 11:51:08 AM  
Well, herding them over there would be a difficult.
 
2012-06-28 11:53:41 AM  
Wanda Ga'g wanted for questioning...

www.holliyeoh.com

/One of my most favoritest books to read to my kids evar...
 
2012-06-28 12:01:11 PM  

offmymeds: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: That man's been doing the best he can with those cats. What it really is, is that the ASPCA and Peta went on a witchunt, trying to get him on every little thing they can, using a campaign of half truths and things blown out of proportion. At one point, the ASPCA even got the Sheriff's office to enter the home of one of the ranch's volunteers and take away her personal pet cats, simply because she happened to work at the ranch (they were later returned)

If you can, please donate to help them in their fight.

Official site

Livejournal page

dantheman195: I don't understand what harm this guy was doing to the cats? Seems like they had adequate care, better care than being left as strays.

Leave the guy alone with his 30 acres and 700 cats

700 Cats Rescued From Florida Sanctuary

FTL: "The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases. Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites," according to the ASPCA.

Any questions?


This.
The slogan is true, cats aren't treated like animals at Caboodle Ranch. They're treated like 700 unopened boxes of junk bought on ebay.
 
2012-06-28 12:07:59 PM  

suthrnrunt: Hector Remarkable: As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?

0, unless you decided to not go after your met the men with cats.... because "were" is past tense and one can't tell if you reached Rascal Flatts before meeting the men or if you met them at Rascal Flatts.


Wrong - the answer is 1. He WAS going there, whether he finished the trip or not.

/How do I dial 1 on a telephone?!?
//555-0001
 
2012-06-28 12:13:27 PM  
Cats are inherently calculating and evil. Just like some arbitrary Chuck Norris meme... you think you're being cruel to the cats, but in truth, those cats have premeditated all of this.
 
2012-06-28 12:25:19 PM  
Thank you Cloudchaser for posting the links to the Ranch's site.

At the urging of a couple of local haters PeTA sent in someone undercover posing as a volunteer. They spent six months at the ranch and only managed to put together a ten minute video supposedly showing the "terrible" conditions at the ranch. The video mostly showed the cats in the sick ward, a filthy trailer with an old cruddy refrigerator, and a one legged cat they said was suffering. The sick cats were being seen by a local vet, Dr. Lewis that worked with Craig Grant the owner. He would prescribe treatment and Mr. Grant would carry out his suggestions, often staying up all night caring for the sick cat. The one legged cat had come to the ranch that way and though it couldn't run, was happy and healthy otherwise. In the video you could plainly see the camera person chasing her to get her to run. The filthy trailer was supposed to be locked as it was going to be taken to the dump along with all it's contents. There was no power to the trailer or the refrigerator inside. In the video they showed cats in this trailer but they were not supposed to be in there and most likely followed the camera person in. On the strength of this video and the word of a couple of ranch haters the County Sheriff contracted with the ASPCA to raid the ranch and confiscate the cats. The Sheriff had never been to the ranch, his own Animal Control Officer had given it a good report, but still the Sheriff ordered the raid without doing any investigation of his own.

Anyone that brought a cat to the ranch was supposed to bring the vet records for that cat showing it had had it's shots and had been either spayed or neutered. They also requested a donation for each cat to help cover the expenses. As more and more people heard about the ranch, many started dumping unwanted cats on or near ranch property these were either not fixed or litters from unfixed cats. The cats brought to the ranch were first held in a large cage to allow them to get accustomed to the ranch and the other cats. After a couple of weeks they were allowed to roam the area. The ranch was thirty acres of wooded farmland. Craig Grant and Dr. Lewis were working on checking the cats, getting their medical records caught up, giving those that needed it their shots and fixing any that needed it as well as micro-chipping all of them. The raid was held on the morning following a couple of days of hard rain. Craig Grant was just starting out to give the cats their morning feeding and his volunteers had not arrived to do the morning clean up so the ranch was a mess.

During the custody hearing the judge voiced his concern over a few points about the ranch and made some suggestions he felt would bring the ranch up to the point where the cats could be returned. Craig Grant, his son Rob and many volunteers began working to meet these suggestions. When the judge made his ruling he decided that the suggestions had not yet been met so he ruled that the Sheriff would retain custody and the cats would be held until after Craig Grant stood trial in August for animal cruelty charges stemming from this. His ruling was also worded to allow them time to finish the improvements and appeal his decision. This they are doing now.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:20 PM  
 
2012-06-28 12:55:25 PM  

suburbanguy: suthrnrunt: Hector Remarkable: As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?

0, unless you decided to not go after your met the men with cats.... because "were" is past tense and one can't tell if you reached Rascal Flatts before meeting the men or if you met them at Rascal Flatts.

Wrong - the answer is 1. He WAS going there, whether he finished the trip or not.

/How do I dial 1 on a telephone?!?
//555-0001


The answer is 1,372,005,602.
Apparently, everyone was going to the Rascal Flatts show.
 
2012-06-28 01:07:09 PM  

suburbanguy: suthrnrunt: Hector Remarkable: As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?

0, unless you decided to not go after your met the men with cats.... because "were" is past tense and one can't tell if you reached Rascal Flatts before meeting the men or if you met them at Rascal Flatts.

Wrong - the answer is 1. He WAS going there, whether he finished the trip or not.

/How do I dial 1 on a telephone?!?
//555-0001


Is your grasp of the English language really that bad? if he WAS going and he had not reach Rascal Flatts then he is STILL going thus the answer is 0. Were is past tense implying he has reached his destination or given up on the trip and is no longer in flight.

/How do you spell moron?
//suburbanguy
 
2012-06-28 01:10:47 PM  
 
2012-06-28 01:26:12 PM  

suthrnrunt: suburbanguy: suthrnrunt: Hector Remarkable: As I was going to Rascal Flatts
I met a men with 700 cats
Each cat had seven kittens
Each kitten had seven mittens.
Each mitten had 10,000 fleas.
Each flea brought a cousin who loved country music.
All in all, how many were going to Rascal Flatts?

0, unless you decided to not go after your met the men with cats.... because "were" is past tense and one can't tell if you reached Rascal Flatts before meeting the men or if you met them at Rascal Flatts.

Wrong - the answer is 1. He WAS going there, whether he finished the trip or not.

/How do I dial 1 on a telephone?!?
//555-0001

Is your grasp of the English language really that bad? if he WAS going and he had not reach Rascal Flatts then he is STILL going thus the answer is 0. Were is past tense implying he has reached his destination or given up on the trip and is no longer in flight.

/How do you spell moron?
//suburbanguy


No.

The riddle is told by explaining what happened to him AS HE WAS GOING TO RASCAL FLATS. It's irrelevant whether he got there or not. That was his destination at the time.

The question is "How many were going?" 1. At the time he met the man with the cats, he (by himself) was going to Rascall Flats.

You're making it much too complicated.
 
2012-06-28 01:35:46 PM  
700 cats???

I applaud efforts to give homeless cats a forever home, but...

700 cats???????

Unless this guy is filthy rich, there is little chance he had the funding to adequately take care of that many cats.
 
2012-06-28 03:42:41 PM  

tukatz: 700 cats???

I applaud efforts to give homeless cats a forever home, but...

700 cats???????

Unless this guy is filthy rich, there is little chance he had the funding to adequately take care of that many cats.


My goal is to be filthy rich some day.
I'm currently half way to my goal.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:20 PM  

tukatz: Unless this guy is filthy rich, there is little absolutely no chance he had the funding to adequately take care of that many cats.


FTFY. I keep records on this. Without the need for veterinary care, it cost me about $20/cat. (he'd have been shelling out $168,000/yr. Maybe he had some outside funding...) With vet bills that goes up significantly and believe me, when you are caring for rescues, there are going to be a lot of vet bills, if you're doing it right.
 
2012-06-28 04:26:26 PM  

offmymeds: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: That man's been doing the best he can with those cats. What it really is, is that the ASPCA and Peta went on a witchunt, trying to get him on every little thing they can, using a campaign of half truths and things blown out of proportion. At one point, the ASPCA even got the Sheriff's office to enter the home of one of the ranch's volunteers and take away her personal pet cats, simply because she happened to work at the ranch (they were later returned)

If you can, please donate to help them in their fight.

Official site

Livejournal page

dantheman195: I don't understand what harm this guy was doing to the cats? Seems like they had adequate care, better care than being left as strays.

Leave the guy alone with his 30 acres and 700 cats

700 Cats Rescued From Florida Sanctuary

FTL: "The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases. Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites," according to the ASPCA.

Any questions?


None at all.
 
2012-06-28 04:45:57 PM  
I thought Bubbles lived in Canada?
 
2012-06-28 04:46:06 PM  

fyrewede: Wanda Ga'g wanted for questioning...

[www.holliyeoh.com image 500x376]

/One of my most favoritest books to read to my kids evar...


First thing I thought of, too. One of the more memorable books read to me as a kid. Also, one of the more disturbing ones.

upload.wikimedia.org

700 may not be millions, but it might as well be. That's a lot of cats...
 
2012-06-28 08:12:41 PM  
Yes, I'll have the sum-yung-cat on fried rice... and can I get some duck sauce with that?
 
2012-06-28 09:57:07 PM  

JackieRabbit: tukatz: Unless this guy is filthy rich, there is little absolutely no chance he had the funding to adequately take care of that many cats.

FTFY. I keep records on this. Without the need for veterinary care, it cost me about $20/cat. (he'd have been shelling out $168,000/yr. Maybe he had some outside funding...) With vet bills that goes up significantly and believe me, when you are caring for rescues, there are going to be a lot of vet bills, if you're doing it right.


Sounds like he had considerable donations and vetinary help, as well as lots of volunteers.

What I want to know is, who's paying for these 700 cats now?
 
2012-06-29 02:58:08 AM  

JWideman: offmymeds: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: That man's been doing the best he can with those cats. What it really is, is that the ASPCA and Peta went on a witchunt, trying to get him on every little thing they can, using a campaign of half truths and things blown out of proportion. At one point, the ASPCA even got the Sheriff's office to enter the home of one of the ranch's volunteers and take away her personal pet cats, simply because she happened to work at the ranch (they were later returned)

If you can, please donate to help them in their fight.

Official site

Livejournal page

dantheman195: I don't understand what harm this guy was doing to the cats? Seems like they had adequate care, better care than being left as strays.

Leave the guy alone with his 30 acres and 700 cats

700 Cats Rescued From Florida Sanctuary

FTL: "The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases. Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites," according to the ASPCA.

Any questions?

This.
The slogan is true, cats aren't treated like animals at Caboodle Ranch. They're treated like 700 unopened boxes of junk bought on ebay.


That article that offmymeds links to and a lot of other articles about the raid only gives the ASPCA's side of the story. Did either of you read the ranch's blog to get their side? For example, read this post
 
2012-06-29 04:03:44 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: That article that offmymeds links to and a lot of other articles about the raid only gives the ASPCA's side of the story. Did either of you read the ranch's blog to get their side? For example, read this post


ASPCA: This guy has 700 cats that he basically cares for all by himself. While they are free to roam 30 acres, weather forces them all into a terribly overcrowded situation. Sick ones aren't quarantined so a lot of them have multiple diseases. Most of these cats have been feral for so long they can't be adopted. In fact, this man has no intention of ever adopting out any of these cats, wild or not. He has set NO limit on the number of cats he will take in, and we project that it will continue to grow. Finally, rather than humanely euthanizing cats that are sick or maimed, he allows them to die suffering.
Him: I take good care of my cats, it just looks like I don't because there's so many it takes hours to clean up in the morning. Everything they say is true, I just don't see the problem with any of it. They just want to kill my pets!

I did do plenty of reading up on the Caboodle Ranch, especially its origin. This guy is a cat collector, the way some people collect coins. He's not really caring for the cats, he's just polishing his coins. Shelters adopt out the animals they care for. This guy doesn't want to part with his collection.
But yeah, let's go with "they want people to think Craig cut off the cat's leg."
 
2012-06-30 02:14:19 AM  

JWideman: I did do plenty of reading up on the Caboodle Ranch, especially its origin. This guy is a cat collector, the way some people collect coins. He's not really caring for the cats, he's just polishing his coins. Shelters adopt out the animals they care for. This guy doesn't want to part with his collectio


You have a point about weather forcing the cats into crowded conditions and sick cats not being quarantined as they should be as well as Craig not having set a number limit. I'm not sure about him not euthing cats that should be put down, but the ranch has (or at least planned on having) an adoption program
http://www.caboodleranch.org/Adoption.html
 
2012-06-30 03:43:40 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: JWideman: I did do plenty of reading up on the Caboodle Ranch, especially its origin. This guy is a cat collector, the way some people collect coins. He's not really caring for the cats, he's just polishing his coins. Shelters adopt out the animals they care for. This guy doesn't want to part with his collectio

You have a point about weather forcing the cats into crowded conditions and sick cats not being quarantined as they should be as well as Craig not having set a number limit. I'm not sure about him not euthing cats that should be put down, but the ranch has (or at least planned on having) an adoption program
http://www.caboodleranch.org/Adoption.html


From the FAQ:
"Q. Do you allow any adoptions at the ranch?
A. No, the cats at Caboodle are permanent residents. That is their forever home. The reason they are there is because there were not enough homes to begin with. We prefer people adopt from the SPCA, local humane societies, Animal Control etc. Those are the cats that are in desperate need to be saved from 'death row'. It is very stressful to remove a cat from a home where they feel safe and loved. Once they are at the ranch, they become part of the cat family there and have everything they will ever need to live a happy healthy life."

Did you look at the PDF on that adoption page? There's only 4 cats listed and the pictures don't match. Draw your own conclusions.
 
2012-06-30 11:41:04 AM  

JWideman: From the FAQ:
"Q. Do you allow any adoptions at the ranch?
A. No, the cats at Caboodle are permanent residents. That is their forever home. The reason they are there is because there were not enough homes to begin with. We prefer people adopt from the SPCA, local humane societies, Animal Control etc. Those are the cats that are in desperate need to be saved from 'death row'. It is very stressful to remove a cat from a home where they feel safe and loved. Once they are at the ranch, they become part of the cat family there and have everything they will ever need to live a happy healthy life."

Did you look at the PDF on that adoption page? There's only 4 cats listed and the pictures don't match. Draw your own conclusions.


I did see that, but I assumed that their intention was to change the no adoption policy and the law enforcement raid put that on hold before they could put that in place.
 
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