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(Daily Mail)   Study from the 1940's that claimed men are hard-wired to be promiscuous is found to be flawed because their flies weren't adequately monitored   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 65
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2012-06-28 08:18:05 AM
Yeah, "flawed" is the word. Never mind it looks like men and women are both a bunch of sluts that would put bonobos to shame when we have half a chance.
 
2012-06-28 11:17:55 AM

doglover: Yeah, "flawed" is the word. Never mind it looks like men and women are both a bunch of sluts that would put bonobos to shame when we have half a chance.


Why do you think prudishness exists? We got to get some work done people..
 
2012-06-28 11:20:52 AM
Then why do women in a group start to all sync their cycles after awhile... I counter with the males are meant to have a group of women all at once a la my lion/lionesses study...

/and where my food bee-och
 
2012-06-28 11:22:09 AM
i.imgur.com

I ignore focus groups.
 
2012-06-28 11:22:23 AM
Well, they'd hardly be soft-wired, would they?

/morans!
 
2012-06-28 11:24:31 AM
Wait... so you mean that men can choose to keep it in their pants?

But... but repression! But eudaimonia! But nature!
 
2012-06-28 11:27:03 AM
something something laying down the cable.
 
PJ-
2012-06-28 11:30:53 AM
Marriage was invented by some scrawny dude who couldn't compete with the Alpha males when it came to reproduction.
 
2012-06-28 11:43:45 AM
Headline is funny
 
2012-06-28 11:43:56 AM

protectyourlimbs: Then why do women in a group start to all sync their cycles after awhile... I counter with the males are meant to have a group of women all at once a la my lion/lionesses study...


So he's supposed to boink them all on the same day of every month?

Doesn't work for me.
 
2012-06-28 11:45:00 AM

PJ-: Marriage was invented by some scrawny dude who couldn't compete with the Alpha males when it came to reproduction.


Or, marriage was invented by some alpha male and/or female, enabling them to control access to sex within their tribe, and allowing them to reward supporters while marginalizing competitors.

Controlling access to sex is a pretty good way of exerting power, historically.
 
2012-06-28 11:48:11 AM
Led by Patricia Adair Gowaty, a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at UCLA, and thanks to the help of advanced DNA analysis, the report found that females may be just as promiscuous as males.

No, you're not. If it were true I would be typing with one hand and using the other to slap my junk against your face.
 
2012-06-28 11:51:14 AM

Chthonic Echoes: PJ-: Marriage was invented by some scrawny dude who couldn't compete with the Alpha males when it came to reproduction.

Or, marriage was invented by some alpha male and/or female, enabling them to control access to sex within their tribe, and allowing them to reward supporters while marginalizing competitors.

Controlling access to sex is a pretty good way of exerting power, historically.


i.imgur.com

THOU SHOULDST PROVIDETH ME WITH THY NEWSLETTER, GOOD SIR
 
2012-06-28 12:00:08 PM
Ok so I RTA (I know, I know) and this is not really applicable to humans too directly. Interesting, remotely applicable, but there was no testing of humans in either the original (flawed) study or this re-examination. Don't get all excited, men may still be cheating bastards who knows.
 
2012-06-28 12:04:13 PM
Count the number of female escort ads. Count the number of male escort ads. Compare the difference.

Men are more promiscuous because of our reproductive equipment. We can reproduce something like 100 times a year, while women can only reproduce once. In terms of passing on our genes, there is some benefit in nailing lots of women.

If a woman nails a guy that she considers as low-grade breeding material, that's her womb occupied by low-grade breeding material for 9 months, that some suitable guy can't then put his genes into. A guy can nail a slut in a bar and 3 days later, nail his wife and get both of them pregnant. Nailing the slut has little effect on his evolutionary advantages.

Now, some women are sluts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're at an evolutionary advantage for doing so.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:36 PM
*Slams gavel* I rule BOYS WILL BE BOYS!
 
2012-06-28 12:15:43 PM
Hogamus Higamus
Men are Polygamous
Higamus Hogamus
Women Monogamous.
 
2012-06-28 12:16:27 PM
Oh, you mammals!

Just accept responsibility and git er dun.
 
2012-06-28 12:17:47 PM
www.usmagazine.com

Normal heterosexual guy? Tell me for one second you wouldn't tap that even though you're married and you love your wife. Hell, my wife would think I was gay if I didn't say I'd eat that ass like a carnival snow cone.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:17 PM
Women are just as likely to enter into a sexual relationship as a man. The difference is the expectation of a positive and pleasurable sexual experience. It seems much easier for man to find pleasure in sex, simply having it is enough. Not so for women. A quickee in the bathroom with a stranger will relieve my sexual desires, I will 100% be able to get off. Her, not so much.
 
2012-06-28 12:26:28 PM

protectyourlimbs: Then why do women in a group start to all sync their cycles after awhile... I counter with the males are meant to have a group of women all at once a la my lion/lionesses study...

/and where my food bee-och


Maybe it's a biological way to protect the gene pool from getting overcrowded with one dude's genes? Given a harem of 30 women you'd be hard pressed to get them all pregnant within a month.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:18 PM
 
2012-06-28 12:29:31 PM

lewismarktwo: Why do you think prudishness exists?


Because uptight women figured out that they could do well enough by making the girls we REALLY like look bad.
 
2012-06-28 12:30:46 PM

farkeruk: Men are more promiscuous because of our reproductive equipment.


It's a little more complicated than that.

In the prehistoric milieu, before marriage existed, men and women probably operated an ongoing sexual economy. Males gave women gifts (of food) and women reciprocated with sex, with only a small chance of a successful pregnancy with each copulation.

Each transaction amounted to a male buying a "share" in a woman's eventual pregnancy. A male could either give small amounts of surplus food to many females in exchange for sporadic sex with a number of mates, or might try to monopolize a single female, giving her lots of food in exchange for most of her sex (and ultimately providing more childcare later on).

Conversely, a female could have sex with many males in exchange for a number of small gifts, or could link up with a single male, offering a higher chance of paternity in exchange for a lot of his food and support.

Which strategy worked best probably varied according to the situation. In a very dangerous environment where males died regularly, for example, it might be detrimental for a woman to rely on only one male for surplus food during her pregnancy and later on for assistance in childcare--she would want as many males in her tribe as possible to have some stake in her successful reproduction. In situations where males die or become disabled less frequently, it might be more worthwhile for her to offer a higher chance of paternity to a single (or a very few) males in exchange for more enthusiastic support.

Both strategies (for each of males and females) probably persist today.
 
2012-06-28 12:31:16 PM
Amazing that people believed a study about fruitflies told us ANY truths about human sexuality? Maybe they thought it was written by Batman and out of respect had to believe it instead of Bateman.
 
2012-06-28 12:36:08 PM
The menstrual synchronization idea has been repudiated.

Obviously, it takes two to tango.
 
2012-06-28 12:38:21 PM
FTFA: "females may be just as promiscuous as males"

"Just as"? Article writer never met subby's mom.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:32 PM

farkeruk: Count the number of female escort ads. Count the number of male escort ads. Compare the difference.

Men are more promiscuous because of our reproductive equipment. We can reproduce something like 100 times a year, while women can only reproduce once. In terms of passing on our genes, there is some benefit in nailing lots of women.

If a woman nails a guy that she considers as low-grade breeding material, that's her womb occupied by low-grade breeding material for 9 months, that some suitable guy can't then put his genes into. A guy can nail a slut in a bar and 3 days later, nail his wife and get both of them pregnant. Nailing the slut has little effect on his evolutionary advantages.

Now, some women are sluts, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're at an evolutionary advantage for doing so.


I question the vigor of your method.
 
2012-06-28 12:41:31 PM

farkeruk: Count the number of female escort ads. Count the number of male escort ads. Compare the difference.




Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.
 
2012-06-28 12:42:56 PM

theurge14: THOU SHOULDST PROVIDETH ME WITH THY NEWSLETTER, GOOD SIR


Oh, that reminds me, I need to find relaxed-fit Levis with integrated codpiece. Thanks, I almost forgot.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:27 PM

LoneWolf343: I question the vigor of your method.


So does his wife!

/rimshot
 
2012-06-28 12:46:39 PM

LoneWolf343: I question the vigor of your method.


Perhaps you mean rigor and not vigor.

/or not?
 
2012-06-28 01:06:39 PM

farkeruk:
Men are more promiscuous because of our reproductive equipment. We can reproduce something like 100 times a year, while women can only reproduce once. In terms of passing on our genes, there is some benefit in nailing lots of women.
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A year? shiat I could do that by Friday. Watch me......

 
2012-06-28 01:32:24 PM

Chthonic Echoes: In the prehistoric milieu, before marriage existed, men and women probably operated an ongoing sexual economy. Males gave women gifts (of food) and women reciprocated with sex, with only a small chance of a successful pregnancy with each copulation.


Just how old ARE you?
 
2012-06-28 01:41:25 PM

Telos: Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.


But the question is... why can a woman walk into a bar alone on a Friday night wearing something that says "sexually available", will get bought drinks and hit on multiple times, but a man won't? Maybe not alpha males, but if you want sex, you can get it.
 
2012-06-28 01:51:56 PM

Posh Naranek: Ok so I RTA (I know, I know) and this is not really applicable to humans too directly. Interesting, remotely applicable, but there was no testing of humans in either the original (flawed) study or this re-examination. Don't get all excited, men may still be cheating bastards who knows.


You should re-read it and ignore the conclusion that is insinuated by the headline. Men are still / might still be hardwired to be promiscuous, it's just that the new data shows that women are / might be hardwired to be just as promiscuous.
 
2012-06-28 01:56:34 PM

Chthonic Echoes: In the prehistoric milieu, before marriage existed, men and women probably operated an ongoing sexual economy. Males gave women gifts (of food) and women reciprocated with sex, with only a small chance of a successful pregnancy with each copulation.


Nope. The thing of buying women gifts isn't a direct exchange for sex - it's about demonstrating your ability as a provider. It's why some women get hot for guys with nice cars. It's not about the car, it's that you clearly have lots of excess income, and the minute you're married, they won't want you spending a penny on a new car.

Well, except meals out. That's about getting a reasonable amount of booze into your date.
 
2012-06-28 02:03:38 PM
I find it hard to believe women like sex.
 
2012-06-28 02:07:41 PM
Don't forget to punch her in the face once in a while, don't want her to friend zone you!
 
2012-06-28 02:18:58 PM
Somebody doesn't understand peer-review.

This paper was published in a peer-reviewed journal, and it is, therefore, free from all manner of defect. It is simply unpossible that it could be wrong - end of story.

The people who believe the peer-reviewed article could be wrong should be lumped in with the others of their ilk, like the flat earth people.
 
2012-06-28 02:23:53 PM

farkeruk: Telos: Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.

But the question is... why can a woman walk into a bar alone on a Friday night wearing something that says "sexually available", will get bought drinks and hit on multiple times, but a man won't? Maybe not alpha males, but if you want sex, you can get it.


Actually, that isn't the question. The question is why don't women do that more often.

It's not that women don't want sex. It's not even that women never want anonymous sex.

It's that society tells women very plainly, and very often that if they have sex they are a bad person.
 
2012-06-28 02:31:14 PM

Telos: farkeruk: Telos: Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.

But the question is... why can a woman walk into a bar alone on a Friday night wearing something that says "sexually available", will get bought drinks and hit on multiple times, but a man won't? Maybe not alpha males, but if you want sex, you can get it.

Actually, that isn't the question. The question is why don't women do that more often.

It's not that women don't want sex. It's not even that women never want anonymous sex.

It's that society tells women very plainly, and very often that if they have sex they are a bad person.


No, it's that for a man to have a positive, pleasurable sexual experience, he just needs a wet hole for a few minutes. Why would a woman want to get all dressed up just to go out and give some guy a thrill if she isn't going to get a positive experience as well? A 5 minutes quickee is good for a man, not a woman.
 
2012-06-28 02:32:04 PM

farkeruk: Telos: Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.

But the question is... why can a woman walk into a bar alone on a Friday night wearing something that says "sexually available", will get bought drinks and hit on multiple times, but a man won't? Maybe not alpha males, but if you want sex, you can get it.


because men will buy drinks in the hopes of increasing his chances.
a women does not have to buy men a drink to increase her chances.
 
2012-06-28 02:32:56 PM
It's because when the baby pops out and it looks like Barry 'Bama instead of William Jefferson Blythe IV, the man takes back his visa gold card.
 
2012-06-28 02:34:24 PM

stonicus: No, it's that for a man to have a positive, pleasurable sexual experience, he just needs a wet hole for a few minutes. Why would a woman want to get all dressed up just to go out and give some guy a thrill if she isn't going to get a positive experience as well? A 5 minutes quickee is good for a man, not a woman.


You are saying that not having to pay for dinner wasn't pleasing?
 
2012-06-28 02:49:39 PM
Guys are unfaithful
Men are faithful
 
2012-06-28 02:53:48 PM

stonicus: Telos: farkeruk: Telos: Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with a woman's ability to get laid any time she wants just by walking into a bar wearing a slutty outfit.

But the question is... why can a woman walk into a bar alone on a Friday night wearing something that says "sexually available", will get bought drinks and hit on multiple times, but a man won't? Maybe not alpha males, but if you want sex, you can get it.

Actually, that isn't the question. The question is why don't women do that more often.

It's not that women don't want sex. It's not even that women never want anonymous sex.

It's that society tells women very plainly, and very often that if they have sex they are a bad person.

No, it's that for a man to have a positive, pleasurable sexual experience, he just needs a wet hole for a few minutes. Why would a woman want to get all dressed up just to go out and give some guy a thrill if she isn't going to get a positive experience as well? A 5 minutes quickee is good for a man, not a woman.


90% of the pleasure in sex is in the person's head. If a women thinks a 5 minute quickie is going to be hot, it will be for her. A woman will NOT think a 5 minute quickie is hot if she thinks only sluts would do such a thing, because she'll be worried that she's a slut.
 
2012-06-28 02:56:18 PM
 
2012-06-28 02:58:04 PM

Telos: Actually, that isn't the question. The question is why don't women do that more often.

It's not that women don't want sex. It's not even that women never want anonymous sex.

It's that society tells women very plainly, and very often that if they have sex they are a bad person.


Actually, it's not "society". It's other women. And it's about being a loser in the same way that guys are insulted by being called a wanker.
 
2012-06-28 03:15:41 PM

farkeruk: Telos: Actually, that isn't the question. The question is why don't women do that more often.

It's not that women don't want sex. It's not even that women never want anonymous sex.

It's that society tells women very plainly, and very often that if they have sex they are a bad person.

Actually, it's not "society". It's other women. And it's about being a loser in the same way that guys are insulted by being called a wanker.


I'll agree that other women can be even more vicious, but it really is society in general. Father's definitely tell their daughter's to avoid sex. Men in general DO act disdainful of "sluts." Christianity all but demonizes sex.

The message women get growing up is: Sex is bad, sinful and dirty. If you have sex without a commitment you've let some man take advantage of you. If you enjoy sex you're a slut.

Then message men get growing up is: Sex is bad, but you're expected to get as much of it as you can before a woman traps you.

For instance: I had to watch the last season of Desperate Housewives with my g/f, and the one woman went through a crisis that made her turn into a "bad person." How did they show this? She started sleeping with random men every night.
 
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