TheGogmagog: Congrats, they deserve it.

/Off topic I was hoping for some more 'you're awesome' / Thank you images. The girls in accounting love the beagle when they've done me a favor, but It's getting old.
//giggity that sounds dirty.


Not trying to turn this into a pony thread, but it's the only other "who's awesome" image I have besides the beagle.

MBK:

Do you want to know how shiatty things were for black people in the 1930s/40s?

Very shiatty, but that doesn't mean that any of the Marines in question were ever slaves. Pointing out hyperbole does not make me a racist. None of the Marines in question were ever slaves.


MBK: Your doubts just show your ignorance.

So, it's your contention that some or all of the Marines in question were at one point slaves? So what, they were seventy or eighty years old when the war started? Damn, the Marines must have been really desperate.

This is just one of those things that makes me scratch my head. Now they deserve every bit of it... but I always wonder 'why now'?

There's no political ground to be gained by giving it to them or denying to them, so what prevented it last year? Or the year before? Or 5 years ago? Or 10? Or 20?

What delayed it even say... a month or two? This just seems like something that should have been taken care of a long damn time ago... They were due... but, it was delayed for some reason?

Phoenix_M: From what I remember in History-101 President Woodrow Wilson re-segregated/more strictly segregated the military just before WWI.

Woodrow Wilson -- Democrat.



A quote from Woodrow Wilson used in the film "Birth of a Nation".

And who was President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces during WWII and could have changed the policy if he wanted?

Franklin Roosevelt -- Democrat.

I see a pattern emerging.

My grandfather fought in WWII and always said he never had any problems with black people because during the war he always knew the black guys he was fighting beside had his back, and that was all he needed to know about black people. Wish more people were like him.

/Miss you grandpa

cynicalbastard: Phoenix_M:
From what I remember in History-101 President Woodrow Wilson re-segregated/more strictly segregated the military just before WWI.
To be entirely frank, Wilson was a bit of an asshole who was always secretly pissed off that the South lost the Civil War because it meant he could never be president of the CSA.

He was also a liberal Democrat. He was much more the forerunner of modern liberalism than FDR. .

Charles Martel: Phoenix_M: From what I remember in History-101 President Woodrow Wilson re-segregated/more strictly segregated the military just before WWI.

Woodrow Wilson -- Democrat.

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A quote from Woodrow Wilson used in the film "Birth of a Nation".

And who was President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces during WWII and could have changed the policy if he wanted?

Franklin Roosevelt -- Democrat.

I see a pattern emerging.

Until the period after Nixon, the South was a Democratic domain.

Nidstang: My grandfather fought in WWII and always said he never had any problems with black people because during the war he always knew the black guys he was fighting beside had his back, and that was all he needed to know about black people. Wish more people were like him.

/Miss you grandpa

I have an uncle who was in WWII who echoed those exact sentiments. He was a farm boy from Iowa so, back in the 20s and 30s growing up, he had never seen blacks until he was in the service. Having fought across the South Pacific Theater in WWII, he saw things he never wanted to talk about. But anytime the subject of race relations came up, he happily talked about the great guys he had known in the service in the black platoons and that was all he needed to know to understand that race was less important in judging a person than character.

He always had a bit of a problem with Japanese, however.

If you were black, and you so much as dug a latrine in the 1940s, it seems you're owed a congressional medal, provided you survived the nineties.

Click Click D'oh: MBK:

Do you want to know how shiatty things were for black people in the 1930s/40s?

Very shiatty, but that doesn't mean that any of the Marines in question were ever slaves. Pointing out hyperbole does not make me a racist. None of the Marines in question were ever slaves.


MBK: Your doubts just show your ignorance.

So, it's your contention that some or all of the Marines in question were at one point slaves? So what, they were seventy or eighty years old when the war started? Damn, the Marines must have been really desperate.

A belief that certain white boys find abundantly convenient is the belief that all social crimes utterly terminate in the generation in which they were initially committed. That way, they can get born on third base, and pretend they hit a triple.

Gasconne: Yep, leave it to Farkers to fail to RTFA and decide it's racism in action when it's really amending racism of the past.

Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? Those are the actions of heroes. Just serving in the military does not a hero make.

That being said, I think it is absolutely fantastic that they are being honored for their service. They, like the Japanese-Americans who served in World War II, had more than enough justification to not put on a uniform to serve a country that considered them less than human or as potential traitors.

Mock26: Gasconne:
Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? . They might have.

inconnu: If you were black, and you so much as dug a latrine in the 1940s, it seems you're owed a congressional medal, provided you survived the nineties.

Considering the way blacks were treated in this country in the 1940s, I would say that any black man who was willing to wear the uniform then should be acknowledged for extraordinary patriotism. A man who is willing to defend a country that treats him as a second-class citizen is a better man than I am. And than you are, too.

Well, African-American. Since 'black' is racist.

Mock26: Gasconne: Yep, leave it to Farkers to fail to RTFA and decide it's racism in action when it's really amending racism of the past.

Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? Those are the actions of heroes. Just serving in the military does not a hero make.

That being said, I think it is absolutely fantastic that they are being honored for their service. They, like the Japanese-Americans who served in World War II, had more than enough justification to not put on a uniform to serve a country that considered them less than human or as potential traitors.

Ah, the obligatory "Hero Tag" whine.

Mrs.Sharpier: Mock26: Gasconne:
Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? . They might have.

Yeah, and those that did would have been heroes. But just because some of them might have does not mean that they were all heroes.

Semper fi, boys. I've served with a lot of great black Marines because of these trailblazers.

jso2897: Mock26: Gasconne: Yep, leave it to Farkers to fail to RTFA and decide it's racism in action when it's really amending racism of the past.

Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? Those are the actions of heroes. Just serving in the military does not a hero make.

That being said, I think it is absolutely fantastic that they are being honored for their service. They, like the Japanese-Americans who served in World War II, had more than enough justification to not put on a uniform to serve a country that considered them less than human or as potential traitors.

Ah, the obligatory "Hero Tag" whine.

Damn straight. Calling someone who never actually did anything heroic a "hero" cheapens the word and is a slap in the face to people like Audie Murphy or Dorie Miller, people who were real heroes.

One of my "favorite" examples was those three soldiers who were captured over in Bosnia. They were the tail end of a convoy, got lost, and drove into enemy territory. When they were released they were hailed as heroes. How does getting lost and capture without a fight make them heroes?

jso2897:
A belief that certain white boys find abundantly convenient is the belief that all social crimes utterly terminate in the generation in which they were initially committed.

So, you are agreeing with MBK that these Marines were at some point slaves?

Click Click D'oh: jso2897:
A belief that certain white boys find abundantly convenient is the belief that all social crimes utterly terminate in the generation in which they were initially committed.

So, you are agreeing with MBK that these Marines were at some point slaves?

Is that the talking point now?

Mock26: jso2897: Mock26: Gasconne: Yep, leave it to Farkers to fail to RTFA and decide it's racism in action when it's really amending racism of the past.

Big damn heroes, those men.

No. They were not heroes. Did they charge machine gun nests to draw fire from their comrades? Did they throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades? Did they expose themselves to enemy fire to call in artillery on enemy positions? Those are the actions of heroes. Just serving in the military does not a hero make.

That being said, I think it is absolutely fantastic that they are being honored for their service. They, like the Japanese-Americans who served in World War II, had more than enough justification to not put on a uniform to serve a country that considered them less than human or as potential traitors.

Ah, the obligatory "Hero Tag" whine.

Damn straight. Calling someone who never actually did anything heroic a "hero" cheapens the word and is a slap in the face to people like Audie Murphy or Dorie Miller, people who were real heroes.

One of my "favorite" examples was those three soldiers who were captured over in Bosnia. They were the tail end of a convoy, got lost, and drove into enemy territory. When they were released they were hailed as heroes. How does getting lost and capture without a fight make them heroes?

Fighting for a country that treats you as a lower class of human ("sub-human" if you will), seems pretty heroic to me. Or naive.

Moopy Mac: Is that the talking point now?

To refresh your memory, since scrolling up the thread must be too difficult...

MBK: These Marines got their medals because the proved that even though the country enslaved them...

How am I being racist or attempting, attempting to perpetuate white privilege or denying the hardship African Americans faced by pointing out that none of these Marines were ever slaves?

Effing HATE BONER (Boehner). Get someone who will appreciate William McDowell actions, to present the medal.

Moopy Mac:
Fighting for a country that treats you as a lower class of human ("sub-human" if you will), seems pretty heroic to me.

Good to see we learned from that dark time in our history.

ElFugwaz

Where'd you find that pic? Very moving.

Any veterans of the 24th Infantry in Korea get medals?

....and it only took 70 years to recognize them? nice!

That FL rep has one sweet wig.

/That is my only comment as there is nothing I can crap on about the award.

Boehner: "Just a fart. Not poop. C'mon, bit of pressure. Don't shiat your pants, Boehner. The cameras are upon you. Unnngggghhhhh" *PLOPLOPLOP* "I hope nobody heard that....".

ruinevil: Charles Martel: Phoenix_M: From what I remember in History-101 President Woodrow Wilson re-segregated/more strictly segregated the military just before WWI.

Woodrow Wilson -- Democrat.

[www.martinfrost.ws image 480x320]

A quote from Woodrow Wilson used in the film "Birth of a Nation".

And who was President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces during WWII and could have changed the policy if he wanted?

Franklin Roosevelt -- Democrat.

I see a pattern emerging.

Until the period after Nixon, the South was a Democratic domain.

It's like the morons that keep saying dumb sh*t like this don't know how to google "southern strategy"...

Here's a clue, people - things change. Today's "party of Lincoln" would probably have the president impeached for issuing the Emancipation Proclamation and filibustered the sh*t out of the 13^th amendment...

ElFugawz: Moopy Mac:
Fighting for a country that treats you as a lower class of human ("sub-human" if you will), seems pretty heroic to me.

Good to see we learned from that dark time in our history.
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For the love of god, THIS.

Bucky Katt: At least we're truly a color blind society now

Stop trolling, nubian.

Thank you, for your dedication to America.