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2012-06-28 12:30:14 AM
Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:17 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


^^^THIS^^^
 
2012-06-28 12:42:10 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


He brings up valid points now, too

/America really should step back and look at where we're headed
//but we won't
 
2012-06-28 01:01:58 AM
I guess it's easier to swill cheap beer, wave a flag and holler "USA!!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!" than it is to look closely at ourselves and acknowledge that we a hypocrites and are no longer #1 in very much.
 
2012-06-28 01:20:18 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


According to 'Cadillac Desert', he tried to shut down the huge water projects of the day. This cost him allies that hurt him when Iran went down.

Much like Obama, he had a mess to clean up after the Nixon era.
 
2012-06-28 01:22:07 AM
Carter wanted the boomers to give a flying fark about someone other than themselves by cutting back. Problem number one.

Carter wants today's apathetic generation to care about the lives faraway brown people. Problem number two.
 
2012-06-28 01:44:46 AM

Frederick:

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.



Republicans remember three things about Carter: Desert One, Panama, and inflation.

What they don't care is that the first was a tactical failure blameable upon the military, the second a sort of appropriate justice that didn't harm our standing or interests, and the third started before he took office and was solved by Volcker creating a deliberate recession that didn't pay off until Reagan had been in office a while.
 
2012-06-28 01:59:20 AM

The Repeated Meme: Carter wants today's apathetic generation to care about the lives faraway brown people. Problem number two.


We care about brown people. Bush spent his time in office bringing freedom and democracy to the Middle East, while Carter was just going around and supervising elections and stuff.

I think the better president is pretty obvious here.
 
2012-06-28 03:41:45 AM
I've said this a million times:

After all the policy judgments are made, and even my own "WTF, Carter" moments are counted, he's still the president of recent history I most admire as a human being. Yeah, I want to have a beer with the guy. He's a fundamentally good man, and I base that on his actions and not some inserted praises of Jesus when it suited him. Or the pick-up he drove in Georgia, or any of that sh*t.

Carter is arguably the only purely decent man we've had in recent history. And that's what added to his destruction. Unfortunately, running this or any country is sort of a deal with the devil. I often wonder if he even understood that before throwing his hat to wolves.

The man was actually too nice to be anywhere near the White House.

/is aware of Carter's fark-ups, so don't bother
 
2012-06-28 06:33:06 AM

Frederick: Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.


Which is presumably why the right hated him so much.
 
2012-06-28 07:36:38 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I guess it's easier to swill cheap beer, wave a flag and holler "USA!!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!" than it is to look closely at ourselves and acknowledge that we a hypocrites and are no longer #1 in very much.


We've been hypocrites for much longer than I've been alive. Why stop now?
 
2012-06-28 07:39:18 AM

kmmontandon: What they don't care is that the first was a tactical failure blameable upon the military, the second a sort of appropriate justice that didn't harm our standing or interests, and the third started before he took office and was solved by Volcker creating a deliberate recession that didn't pay off until Reagan had been in office a while.


No, I think you're right - mostly. People remember Eagle Claw in the general sense of Iran - the hostage taking, the rescue attempt, and the overall flat-footedness and powerlessness of our stance in response to the revolution. You have to remember that this was four years after the fall of Saigon.

I like Carter, and he had an unbelievable mess on his hands with regard to foreign policy, economy, and energy that was not entirely to be blamed on him.

However, he literally fiddled while Iran fell. His State Department ignored their own ambassador when he tried to tell them what was happening. They could have been far better prepared for the revolution than they were. His laser focus on Camp David (which I believe was also poorly conceived) is to partly to blame for it.

You could chalk it all up to naivete, I suppose. Which is really the reason he has no credibility when it comes to national security issues.
 
2012-06-28 07:53:06 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.
 
2012-06-28 07:58:47 AM

Babwa Wawa: You could chalk it all up to naivete, I suppose. Which is really the reason he has no credibility when it comes to national security issues.


Wait, what? You think he doesn't?
 
2012-06-28 08:01:22 AM
Well, he did try to tell us this four years ago.
 
2012-06-28 08:04:11 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


You mean it wasn't fundamentally wrong to tell Americans to turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater? You mean it wasn't wrong to push for an energy policy that would make us independent of foreign oil? How dare you! America is a shining city on a hill, our shiate don't stink, and Gawd smiles on us while snearing at the rest of the world --- we are the new chosen people.

All the way down the rabbit hole.
 
2012-06-28 08:05:19 AM

BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.
In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.
There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.


I must say, you have to spend time to find ways to completely prove someone's point while making your idiotic comments. Sure, sometimes it is simply throwing shiat against the wall, but sometimes...man, you hit the clown right in the mouth.
 
2012-06-28 08:05:59 AM

BillCo: Frederick: There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.


Demonstrated by what policy? Carter placing medium range nuclear missiles in Europe took some balls and intimidated the U.S.S.R. more that Reagan telling Gorbachev to 'tear down the wall.'
 
2012-06-28 08:08:00 AM

Alphax: Wait, what? You think he doesn't?


In fact, he is quite right in the two areas that the author points out.

But when you lack credibility, it doesn't mean that you're always wrong. It means that people don't believe you.

But nobody listens to him because he's viewed as naive at best, ignorant of realities related to foreign policy at worst.
 
2012-06-28 08:10:58 AM

BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.


Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.
 
2012-06-28 08:13:44 AM
Jimmy Carter has become a parody of himself.
 
2012-06-28 08:14:58 AM

wademh: BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.

Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.


And I guess it was also spineless to visit the 3 Mile Island reactor too.
 
2012-06-28 08:19:08 AM
From The Newsroom:

Jenny: Hi, my name is Jenny, I'm a sophomore, and this is for all three of you. Can you say in one sentence or less-

(laughter)

Jenny: You know what I mean-can you say why America is the greatest country in the world?

Sharon: Diversity and opportunity.

Debate Moderator: Lewis?

Lewis: Freedom and freedom. So let's keep it that way.

(applause)

DM: Will.

Will: The New York Jets.

(laughter)

DM: No. I'm gonna hold you to an answer on that. What makes America the greatest country in the world.
....

Will: It's NOT the greatest country in the world, Professor. That's my answer.

DM: You're saying-

Will: Yes.

DM: Let's talk about-

Will (addressing Sharon): Fine. Sharon, the NEA is a loser. Yeah, it accounts for a penny out of our paycheck, but he gets to hit you with it anytime he wants. It doesn't cost money. It costs votes. It costs airtime. And column inches. You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so farkin' smart then how come they lose so goddamn always?

Sharon: Hey-

Will (turning to Lewis): And with a straight face, you're gonna sit there and tell students that America is so star-spangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom? Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The U.K. France. Italy. Germany. Spain. Australia. BELGIUM has freedom. (laughs) Two hundred and seven sovereign states in the world, like, a hundred and eighty of them have freedom.

DM: All right-

Will points to Jenny.

Will:
And you, Sorority Girl, just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there's some things you should know. One of them is there's absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy. Twenty-seventh in math. Twenty-second in science. Forty-ninth in life expectancy. A hundred and seventy-eighth in infant mortality. Third in median household income. Number four in labor force and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: Number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies.

Now none of this is the fault of a twenty-year-old college student, but you nonetheless are without a doubt a member of the worst, period, generation, period, ever, period. So when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I dunno what the fark you're talkin' about. Yosemite?

(Silence for several beats.)

Will:
Sure used to be. We stood up for what was right. We fought for moral reasons. We passed laws, struck down laws, for moral reasons. We waged wars on poverty, not poor people. We sacrificed. We cared about our neighbors. We put our money where our mouths were. And we never beat our chest.

We built great big things, made ungodly technological advances, explored the universe, cured diseases, and we cultivated the world's greatest artists and the world's greatest economy. We reached for the stars. Acted like men.

We aspired to intelligence. We didn't belittle it-it didn't make us feel inferior.

We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for in the last election, and we didn't, oh, we didn't scare so easy.

(He chuckles.)

We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men. Men who were revered.

The first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore.

(Will turns to DM.)

Enough?
 
2012-06-28 08:20:53 AM

Babwa Wawa: kmmontandon: What they don't care is that the first was a tactical failure blameable upon the military, the second a sort of appropriate justice that didn't harm our standing or interests, and the third started before he took office and was solved by Volcker creating a deliberate recession that didn't pay off until Reagan had been in office a while.

No, I think you're right - mostly. People remember Eagle Claw in the general sense of Iran - the hostage taking, the rescue attempt, and the overall flat-footedness and powerlessness of our stance in response to the revolution. You have to remember that this was four years after the fall of Saigon.

I like Carter, and he had an unbelievable mess on his hands with regard to foreign policy, economy, and energy that was not entirely to be blamed on him.

However, he literally fiddled while Iran fell. His State Department ignored their own ambassador when he tried to tell them what was happening. They could have been far better prepared for the revolution than they were. His laser focus on Camp David (which I believe was also poorly conceived) is to partly to blame for it.

You could chalk it all up to naivete, I suppose. Which is really the reason he has no credibility when it comes to national security issues.


Child, we were not as much at the brink of a nuclear holocaust during the Bay of Pigs as we were in the 70s. Nixon, for all his many faults, deserves credit for defusing tensions with China and producing more of a power triangle than a dichotomy. Carter finessed the world away from the brink. You can dismiss Camp David if you must, but you are missing the boat if you do. While the Iranian revolution was a gross embarrassment on one front, it was far less significant than negotiating a lasting peace between Egypt and Israel.
 
2012-06-28 08:26:49 AM

BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.


Bomb-bomb-bomb bomb-bomb-Iran...

/amirite?
 
2012-06-28 08:29:22 AM

doyner: wademh: BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.

Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.

And I guess it was also spineless to visit the 3 Mile Island reactor too.


Your comment confuses me. Carter understood nuclear power via his career as an engineer on nuclear powered subs. I don't consider Carter to have been spineless but I also don't see his visiting 3 Mile Island as exceptionally courageous.
 
2012-06-28 08:29:32 AM

Frederick: Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us


His so-called "malaise" speech was actually well received at the time. He got a bump in the polls after its delivery.

Then Reagan and co. hammered on it for the next five years and history's greatest monster was born.
 
2012-06-28 08:30:41 AM

wademh: doyner: wademh: BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.

Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.

And I guess it was also spineless to visit the 3 Mile Island reactor too.

Your comment confuses me. Carter understood nuclear power via his career as an engineer on nuclear powered subs. I don't consider Carter to have been spineless but I also don't see his visiting 3 Mile Island as exceptionally courageous.


And yet people are still terrified of that place...
 
2012-06-28 08:32:45 AM

kregh99: From The Newsroom:

Jenny: Hi, my name is Jenny, I'm a sophomore, and this is for all three of you. Can you say in one sentence or less-

(laughter)

Jenny: You know what I mean-can you say why America is the greatest country in the world?

Sharon: Diversity and opportunity.

Debate Moderator: Lewis?

Lewis: Freedom and freedom. So let's keep it that way.

(applause)

DM: Will.

Will: The New York Jets.

(laughter)

DM: No. I'm gonna hold you to an answer on that. What makes America the greatest country in the world.
....

Will: It's NOT the greatest country in the world, Professor. That's my answer.

DM: You're saying-

Will: Yes.

DM: Let's talk about-

Will (addressing Sharon): Fine. Sharon, the NEA is a loser. Yeah, it accounts for a penny out of our paycheck, but he gets to hit you with it anytime he wants. It doesn't cost money. It costs votes. It costs airtime. And column inches. You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so farkin' smart then how come they lose so goddamn always?

Sharon: Hey-

Will (turning to Lewis): And with a straight face, you're gonna sit there and tell students that America is so star-spangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom? Canada has freedom. Japan has freedom. The U.K. France. Italy. Germany. Spain. Australia. BELGIUM has freedom. (laughs) Two hundred and seven sovereign states in the world, like, a hundred and eighty of them have freedom.

DM: All right-

Will points to Jenny.

Will: And you, Sorority Girl, just in case you accidentally wander into a voting booth one day, there's some things you should know. One of them is there's absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're seventh in literacy. Twenty-seventh in math. Twenty-second in science. Forty-ninth in life expectancy. A hundred and seventy-eighth in infant mortality. Third in median household income. Number four in labor force and number four in exports. ...


That show was terrible.
 
2012-06-28 08:38:09 AM

wademh: Child, we were not as much at the brink of a nuclear holocaust during the Bay of Pigs as we were in the 70s. Nixon, for all his many faults, deserves credit for defusing tensions with China and producing more of a power triangle than a dichotomy. Carter finessed the world away from the brink. You can dismiss Camp David if you must, but you are missing the boat if you do. While the Iranian revolution was a gross embarrassment on one front, it was far less significant than negotiating a lasting peace between Egypt and Israel.


You can quit it with the "child" sh*t - I remember the Carter presidency. And even if I didn't, there's plenty of history to be read.

Camp David has been a disaster for long-standing and sustainable peace in the middle east. It removed the largest existential threat to Israel, which in turn has allowed Israel to ignore the Palestinian issue for 33 years and counting. Carter thought that Syria, Lebanon and the others would follow Sadat's footsteps. If that's not naive, what is it?

Iran was an absolute, unmitigated f*ckup from start to finish, and a big reason for it is that we had a State Department with no time for anything but Camp David for the two years the Iranian revolution was brewing.
 
2012-06-28 08:40:43 AM

kmmontandon: Frederick:

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


Republicans remember three things about Carter: Desert One, Panama, and inflation.

What they don't care is that the first was a tactical failure blameable upon the military, the second a sort of appropriate justice that didn't harm our standing or interests, and the third started before he took office and was solved by Volcker creating a deliberate recession that didn't pay off until Reagan had been in office a while.


So, then, it wasn't his fault?

Where have we heard that before...
 
2012-06-28 08:40:50 AM
I'll just leave this here.

www.majhost.com
 
2012-06-28 08:42:12 AM
He is a senile antisemetic naive old fool who should have stuck to rebuilding his image by building Habitat For Humanity houses.
 
2012-06-28 08:43:52 AM
No one cares because they are too busy making excuses for Fast & Furious to care about all the other illegal shiat they are doing.
 
2012-06-28 08:44:50 AM

doyner: wademh: doyner: wademh: BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.

Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.

And I guess it was also spineless to visit the 3 Mile Island reactor too.

Your comment confuses me. Carter understood nuclear power via his career as an engineer on nuclear powered subs. I don't consider Carter to have been spineless but I also don't see his visiting 3 Mile Island as exceptionally courageous.

And yet people are still terrified of that place...


Some don't like living on the 13th floor, some are scared of a house in Amityville, some won't walk under a ladder and some fear black cats. Carter is demonstrably intelligent and well informed about the risks of nuclear power. So I just don't see his visiting 3mile Island as a legitimately watershed event.
 
2012-06-28 08:45:58 AM
Because if you want to know what's best for America and the rest of the world you ignore everything Jimmy Carter says.
 
2012-06-28 08:46:50 AM

wademh: doyner: wademh: doyner: wademh: BillCo: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

Well, there was that complete lack of a spine.

Contrary to Andre Agassi and his wig, image is not everything. Carter never pandered to the crown that like to wrap things in the flag and beat their chest, which I guess is what led to the whole Reagan thing. You gotta love a guy who served in the First Motion Picture Unit during WWII. Those bright lights can be murder.

And I guess it was also spineless to visit the 3 Mile Island reactor too.

Your comment confuses me. Carter understood nuclear power via his career as an engineer on nuclear powered subs. I don't consider Carter to have been spineless but I also don't see his visiting 3 Mile Island as exceptionally courageous.

And yet people are still terrified of that place...

Some don't like living on the 13th floor, some are scared of a house in Amityville, some won't walk under a ladder and some fear black cats. Carter is demonstrably intelligent and well informed about the risks of nuclear power. So I just don't see his visiting 3mile Island as a legitimately watershed event.


I agree with you, but my subtle point is that those that call him spineless are mostly the seme low-information voters that fit into that category.
 
2012-06-28 08:47:29 AM

BillCo: I'll just leave this here.

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And I'll just leave this here...

covers.openlibrary.org
 
2012-06-28 08:47:35 AM

BillCo: I'll just leave this here.

[www.majhost.com image 599x488]


Yes, Saint Reagan was such a masterful negotiator that he took less than an hour to do what Carter couldn't do in a year. Give me a farking break.
 
2012-06-28 08:48:09 AM

Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.


In answering questions after a campaign speech at my college I remember Reagan told us there was plenty of oil in the world so conservation wasn't necessary, radiation from nuclear plants was less than what he experience in flying in a plane at 30,000 ft and Gays need not have their rights protected,. This was during the republican primaries and I remember thinking at the time that this clown always runs and always loses so I need not worry. But those were the buttons to push to get the clowns to the polls.
 
2012-06-28 08:51:48 AM

clovercat: In answering questions after a campaign speech at my college I remember Reagan told us there was plenty of oil in the world so conservation wasn't necessary, radiation from nuclear plants was less than what he experience in flying in a plane at 30,000 ft and Gays need not have their rights protected,. This was during the republican primaries and I remember thinking at the time that this clown always runs and always loses so I need not worry. But those were the buttons to push to get the clowns to the polls.


To be fair, he was right about the second one.
 
2012-06-28 08:55:04 AM

randomjsa: Because if you want to know what's best for America and the rest of the world you ignore everything Jimmy Carter says.


Now hold on....therm was right about home brewing beer.
 
2012-06-28 08:55:24 AM

karnal: Jimmy Carter has become a parody of himself.


unit-pic.twittweb.com

It insists upon itself.

What does that even mean?
 
2012-06-28 08:55:36 AM

clovercat: Frederick: Carter pissed off the wrong people. People who have a very large say in media.

In his presidency he was conscientious at a time when excess was the direction society was heading. Telling Americans to conserve is highly offensive to us -despite the realities of his foresight.

There are few legitimate criticisms that are leveled at Carter.

In answering questions after a campaign speech at my college I remember Reagan told us there was plenty of oil in the world so conservation wasn't necessary, radiation from nuclear plants was less than what he experience in flying in a plane at 30,000 ft and Gays need not have their rights protected,. This was during the republican primaries and I remember thinking at the time that this clown always runs and always loses so I need not worry. But those were the buttons to push to get the clowns to the polls.


Half the population have lower than average IQs and some additional fraction of the other half can contrive to make money off that fact. The two add up to a majority.
 
2012-06-28 08:59:20 AM

BillCo: I'll just leave this here.

[www.majhost.com image 599x488]


And anyone who actually went to school on the bus with more than 4 seats knows the hostage release deal was not brokered by St Ronald The Forgetful or his administration.
 
2012-06-28 09:05:08 AM

BillCo: I'll just leave this here


To remind everyone that Reagan and Bush the Elder did a run around a sitting president in order to negotiate with Iranians to score political points?

Not sure why you'd want to do that. Aren't you one of those wingnuts who thinks Reagan tore down the Berlin wall with his bare hands?
 
2012-06-28 09:07:28 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I guess it's easier to swill cheap beer, wave a flag and holler "USA!!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!" than it is to look closely at ourselves and acknowledge that we a hypocrites and are no longer #1 in very much.


Whats even worse is that instead of wanting to put in the integrity and effort to actually *be* #1, flag waving is considered equivalent.
 
2012-06-28 09:08:23 AM

kregh99: From The Newsroom:.


But Aaron Sorkin is a librul hack, so your argument is invalid.

/Still requires oscillating ursines.
 
2012-06-28 09:10:19 AM
For the same reason we got tired of looking for nonexistent wolves

And now Gerald Ford is dead. Will you listen now, subby?
 
2012-06-28 09:11:25 AM
Cndn Bacon

karnal: Jimmy Carter has become a parody of himself.



It insists upon itself.

What does that even mean?



With evidence supporting Carter as possibly one of the worse presidents ever, it is ironic that he sees himself nearly as God, the Old Testament God sitting in judgment of us all...when a lot of people see him as a doddering old fool who drools in his porridge!
 
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