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2012-06-28 02:57:09 AM
The chemicals are especially hard on porcelain.

s3.jspenguin.org
 
2012-06-28 03:27:47 AM
This is the fault of the war on drugs.

Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.

If meth was mass produced for market, it could be monitored and quality controlled. No need to cook it up at home. Plus think about how many people WOULDN'T take up meth and crack if they could just get similar highs from safer drugs developed with addiction reduction in mind.
 
2012-06-28 04:57:03 AM

doglover: This is the fault of the war on drugs.

Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.

If meth was mass produced for market, it could be monitored and quality controlled. No need to cook it up at home. Plus think about how many people WOULDN'T take up meth and crack if they could just get similar highs from safer drugs developed with addiction reduction in mind.


Newsletter, please.
Indeed.
 
2012-06-28 06:12:09 AM
Can't we all just smoke a bong?
 
2012-06-28 06:15:05 AM
Don't people talk to the neighbors before buying a house? We did.
 
2012-06-28 06:19:19 AM
FTFA: "Donetta Held, CEO of the Indiana-based Crisis Cleaning, echoed that sentiment, advising that testing for prior meth manufacture should become standard procedure when buying a new property."

Let me guess - that's a service your company offers, right? Of COURSE you want it to be standard procedure. Even better, why not try to get a law passed mandating it, like the insurance industry did?
 
2012-06-28 06:19:23 AM
media.tumblr.com

/Don't buy the house if you see dog #4 around.
 
2012-06-28 06:23:59 AM
They just figured this out?
 
2012-06-28 06:27:47 AM
fark that noise. watch forensic & detective shows for one week, they'll show you three ways to eliminate a problem house and get a nifty insurance check for your headaches.
 
2012-06-28 06:28:32 AM
Our home inspection was worth every cent we paid for it. We knew exactly what we were getting into when we bought our older home, and about how many years we had before we'd have to pay out for some big ticket items, such as a roof. Fifteen years later, I can say he was very accurate.

IIRC, NY has strict laws about disclosure, but if I was buying in a state that didn't, or buying a forclosure or previous rental, or even didn't have a clear history on the property, you bet I'd have a Haz-Mat survey included in the inspection. Worth the cost, that.
 
2012-06-28 06:28:42 AM
"That's when we found the iodine-like staining on the walls and human feces under the floor."

So, these meth heads are taking the time to remove an area of finish, and sub floor, taking a dump, then replacing it?
Brilliant!
 
2012-06-28 06:29:45 AM
FTA: The Bates family was living in a former meth lab, soaked to the studs with dangerous chemicals. After tearing up walls and flooring, the Bates' worst fears were confirmed.
"It came to us when we were tearing up the master bathroom, after the floor starting sinking and got spongy," Jessie Bates told FoxNews.com. "That's when we found the iodine-like staining on the walls and human feces under the floor."



So...are human feces an integral part of producing meth?
 
2012-06-28 06:31:47 AM
Mr. Potatoass:
Ah, I see we both go for the low hanging fruit...
 
2012-06-28 06:35:02 AM

Public Savant: So...are human feces an integral part of producing meth?


If it's the *good shiat* it is
 
2012-06-28 06:36:03 AM

Public Savant: FTA: The Bates family was living in a former meth lab, soaked to the studs with dangerous chemicals. After tearing up walls and flooring, the Bates' worst fears were confirmed.
"It came to us when we were tearing up the master bathroom, after the floor starting sinking and got spongy," Jessie Bates told FoxNews.com. "That's when we found the iodine-like staining on the walls and human feces under the floor."


So...are human feces an integral part of producing meth?


No, you're thinking of Jenkem.
 
2012-06-28 06:39:35 AM

Public Savant: Mr. Potatoass:
Ah, I see we both go for the low hanging fruit...


I've rehabbed/ remodeled a lot of nasty houses over the years.
Rentals, drug dens, etc., and have yet to find a human turd "under the floor".

/Did find about $3000 under some carpeting, once
 
2012-06-28 06:44:42 AM

Mr. Potatoass: Public Savant: Mr. Potatoass:
Ah, I see we both go for the low hanging fruit...

I've rehabbed/ remodeled a lot of nasty houses over the years.
Rentals, drug dens, etc., and have yet to find a human turd "under the floor".

/Did find about $3000 under some carpeting, once


Unfortunately there was no cash, but we did find a whole lot of Schlitz cans in the walls. And we wondered why nothing in that house is straight...
 
2012-06-28 06:58:11 AM

Public Savant: FTA: The Bates family was living in a former meth lab, soaked to the studs with dangerous chemicals. After tearing up walls and flooring, the Bates' worst fears were confirmed.
"It came to us when we were tearing up the master bathroom, after the floor starting sinking and got spongy," Jessie Bates told FoxNews.com. "That's when we found the iodine-like staining on the walls and human feces under the floor."


So...are human feces an integral part of producing meth?


It depends on what you mean by "human feces". Actually, now that I think about it, maybe it's an integral part either way. I don't know crap about meth labs.
 
2012-06-28 07:00:46 AM
Sounds like an opportunity for an entrepreneur to start a company that tracks locations of meth lab busts and does a check against your property to see if it's on the company's list. Charge $30 per "investigation" and you could potentially make a bundle.

/too much work for me. I'm lazy.
//idea freely released into the wild
///have at it, farkers
 
2012-06-28 07:11:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Can't we all just smoke a bong?


Pot? Are you serious? Don't you know that stuff turns you into a zombie?
 
2012-06-28 07:13:47 AM
Did their homeowner's policy cover the cost of building a new house? If not, I honestly would have probably put a shotgun in my mouth. You don't just lose $180,000 because of bad luck and shrug your shoulders.
 
2012-06-28 07:17:16 AM
Cam to post this quote from the article in case anyone missed it
Prior to the federal Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2006, which regulated the sale of ephedrine and related products used in meth production, the drug was typically manufactured in "superlabs" by organized criminal outfits using industrial space. An unintended consequence of the law was to drive production into residential homes.
 
2012-06-28 07:18:47 AM
Bates...moved in...in March 2007.

There was no meth lab disclosure law in Washington in 2008, when the Bates' bought their home.


A(n at least) nine month 'try it before you buy it' period? They should have known something was wrong.


Nice reportin' there Joshua people.famouswhy.com.
 
2012-06-28 07:21:06 AM

doglover: Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.


Then again, observing Americans' self-restraint viz a viz Big Macs and Snickers, if these drugs were legal, presumably we'd be about 75% of us meth addicts.

/as is, we are only 1/4 alkies, 1/4 hooked on anti-depressants, 1/4 hooked on depressants...
 
2012-06-28 07:21:45 AM
There, never mind, let it go; you make me tired. You can't seem to understand the simplest thing." My presence gave the monks hope, and cheered them up a good deal; insomuch that they ate a square meal that night for the first time in ten days. As soon as their stomachs had been properly reinforced with food, their spirits began to rise fast; when the mead began to go round they rose faster. By the time everybody was half-seas over, the holy community was in good shape to make a night of it; so we stayed by the board and put it through on that line. Matters got to be very jolly. Good old questionable stories were told that made the tears run down and cavernous mouths stand wide and the round bellies shake with laughter; and questionable songs were bellowed out in a mighty chorus that drowned the boom of the tolling bells.
 
2012-06-28 07:22:02 AM

Ciper: Cam to post this quote from the article in case anyone missed it
Prior to the federal Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2006, which regulated the sale of ephedrine and related products used in meth production, the drug was typically manufactured in "superlabs" by organized criminal outfits using industrial space. An unintended consequence of the law was to drive production into residential homes.


Finally...something to help the Mom and Pop stores out! Go Main Street!

/Pretty sure most of the houses in Suquamish are used for meth production
//Bella Luna Pizza in downtown Suquamish makes the best pizza in the world
 
2012-06-28 07:22:54 AM

Ciper: Cam to post this quote from the article in case anyone missed it
Prior to the federal Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2006, which regulated the sale of ephedrine and related products used in meth production, the drug was typically manufactured in "superlabs" by organized criminal outfits using industrial space. An unintended consequence of the law was to drive production into residential homes.


well they had to pass SOMETHING. or else the Republicans wouldn't get elected
 
2012-06-28 07:25:48 AM
Soon our entire environment will be like a former meth lab, so this isn't a big deal.
 
2012-06-28 07:26:39 AM

Tommy Moo: Did their homeowner's policy cover the cost of building a new house? If not, I honestly would have probably put a shotgun in my mouth. You don't just lose $180,000 because of bad luck and shrug your shoulders.


Bad luck? Who makes a $200k+ purchase without inspecting what they're buying? And what does that have to do with luck?
 
2012-06-28 07:29:33 AM
publikenemy: There, never mind, let it go; you make me tired. You can't seem to understand the simplest thing." My presence gave the monks hope, and cheered them up a good deal; insomuch that they ate a square meal that night for the first time in ten days. As soon as their stomachs had been properly reinforced with food, their spirits began to rise fast; when the mead began to go round they rose faster. By the time everybody was half-seas over, the holy community was in good shape to make a night of it; so we stayed by the board and put it through on that line. Matters got to be very jolly. Good old questionable stories were told that made the tears run down and cavernous mouths stand wide and the round bellies shake with laughter; and questionable songs were bellowed out in a mighty chorus that drowned the boom of the tolling bells.

carolinefreemanblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-28 07:38:56 AM

tillerman35: Sounds like an opportunity for an entrepreneur to start a company that tracks locations of meth lab busts and does a check against your property to see if it's on the company's list. Charge $30 per "investigation" and you could potentially make a bundle.

/too much work for me. I'm lazy.
//idea freely released into the wild
///have at it, farkers


MethFax maybe?
 
2012-06-28 07:43:17 AM
my friend and his wife bought a house that they think may have been a meth lab. one of the rooms had weird stains on all the walls and floor. there was a ventilation pipe directly from the room leading up to the roof, and one of the two doors was walled over, and the other door had a huge deadbolt lock installed. they bought the house to fix it up and rent out, so they tore out everything anyway and cleaned it up, and to my knowledge they (and the people renting it currently) have not had any respiratory problems or anything like that. but hearing about it made me very nervous about buying a house at all; you never know what the previous occupants might have been doing, especially if it is a foreclosure.
 
2012-06-28 07:44:45 AM

doglover: Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans.


Well, I don't grow em, but we do roast em.
 
2012-06-28 07:46:09 AM

proteus_b: doglover: Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.

Then again, observing Americans' self-restraint viz a viz Big Macs and Snickers, if these drugs were legal, presumably we'd be about 75% of us meth addicts.

/as is, we are only 1/4 alkies, 1/4 hooked on anti-depressants, 1/4 hooked on depressants...


We're already addicted to shiat. I can't even function without xanax around. I don't have to take it often these days, but when I work too much panic attacks start to hit like waves. Then I need it.
 
2012-06-28 07:46:42 AM

Mr. Potatoass: "That's when we found the iodine-like staining on the walls and human feces under the floor."

So, these meth heads are taking the time to remove an area of finish, and sub floor, taking a dump, then replacing it?
Brilliant!


Well, they do have time to kill, I suppose....
 
2012-06-28 07:47:23 AM
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enderthexenocide: my friend and his wife bought a house that they think may have been a meth lab. one of the rooms had weird stains on all the walls and floor. there was a ventilation pipe directly from the room leading up to the roof, and one of the two doors was walled over, and the other door had a huge deadbolt lock installed. they bought the house to fix it up and rent out, so they tore out everything anyway and cleaned it up, and to my knowledge they (and the people renting it currently) have not had any respiratory problems or anything like that. but hearing about it made me very nervous about buying a house at all; you never know what the previous occupants might have been doing, especially if it is a foreclosure.


Is this the former owner?
 
2012-06-28 07:49:01 AM

abhorrent1: Don't people talk to the neighbors before buying a house? We did.


Here in Maine, you're allowed to TOUR the house before you even enter the purchase agreement, let alone close on a home...
 
2012-06-28 08:03:40 AM

doglover: This is the fault of the war on drugs.

Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.

If meth was mass produced for market, it could be monitored and quality controlled. No need to cook it up at home. Plus think about how many people WOULDN'T take up meth and crack if they could just get similar highs from safer drugs developed with addiction reduction in mind.


People brew beer at home.
 
2012-06-28 08:07:37 AM

wildcat2011:
MethFax maybe?


Would love to see what the "Meth Fox" would look like on the commercials.
 
2012-06-28 08:27:08 AM

enderthexenocide: my friend and his wife bought a house that they think may have been a meth lab. one of the rooms had weird stains on all the walls and floor. there was a ventilation pipe directly from the room leading up to the roof, and one of the two doors was walled over, and the other door had a huge deadbolt lock installed. they bought the house to fix it up and rent out, so they tore out everything anyway and cleaned it up, and to my knowledge they (and the people renting it currently) have not had any respiratory problems or anything like that. but hearing about it made me very nervous about buying a house at all; you never know what the previous occupants might have been doing, especially if it is a foreclosure.


Did they bother to disclose to their renters that they may be living in a hazardous waste pit?
That would make a nice complementary law; if realtors have to tell prospective owners that the place was used to cook meth, then owners should have to tell prospective renters.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-28 08:28:53 AM
Unfortunately there was no cash, but we did find a whole lot of Schlitz cans in the walls.

My father found a draft notice from WW2 in the wall.
 
2012-06-28 08:31:13 AM

Mr. Potatoass: wildcat2011:
MethFax maybe?

Would love to see what the "Meth Fox" would look like on the commercials.


www.fitnessdestination.com
 
2012-06-28 08:34:53 AM
I lived in an old house on the grounds of an Indian massacre from back in Pioneer days. I kept looking for ghosts and waiting for something creepy to happen, but it never did.
 
2012-06-28 08:37:09 AM
Karac

enderthexenocide: my friend and his wife bought a house that they think may have been a meth lab. one of the rooms had weird stains on all the walls and floor. there was a ventilation pipe directly from the room leading up to the roof, and one of the two doors was walled over, and the other door had a huge deadbolt lock installed. they bought the house to fix it up and rent out, so they tore out everything anyway and cleaned it up, and to my knowledge they (and the people renting it currently) have not had any respiratory problems or anything like that. but hearing about it made me very nervous about buying a house at all; you never know what the previous occupants might have been doing, especially if it is a foreclosure.

Did they bother to disclose to their renters that they may be living in a hazardous waste pit?
That would make a nice complementary law; if realtors have to tell prospective owners that the place was used to cook meth, then owners should have to tell prospective renters.


When I was a landlord I had to give out a written statement that the property was lead paint free and that there were no hazardous materials on the property or if there were hazardous materials I had to state what they were.
 
2012-06-28 08:47:42 AM
A standard home inspection had revealed no problems with the home, in Suquamish, Wash., near Seattle.

Home inspections are, by and large, worthless. My home inspector missed:

* rotting wood framing around the front and back doors (dad found it as the inspector was presenting his report)
* evidence of water leaking from a compression fitting on the master bathroom sink (all he would have needed to do is go into the crawlspace and notice the discolored area on the plastic sheeting and the damp joists directly above it)
* bathroom exhaust fans that were venting directly into the attic instead of to the outside
* 'faked' attic insulation (the builders laid sheets of OSB across the joists before blowing-in insulation giving the appearance of 8-10 inches of insulation when it was really 3-4 inches)
* deck railing that failed to meet code (and thus was clearly built without having first obtained a permit)
* HVAC ducts for two floor registers were blocked with objects like pepsi cans and wood fragments so he clearly didn't do any airflow tests on the ducts.

But he did insist that the master bathroom tub drain was broken because he couldn't figure out how to operate the plug mechanism (all he had to do was turn the knob to raise/lower plug)...

All-in-all, based on the things he missed, he couldn't have spent more than 30 minutes "inspecting" the house but happily charged $350 to do so. Luckily the house was in reasonably good shape so he didn't have the opportunity to miss expensive things like structural or electrical problems.

Mike Holmes has a show on TV called "Holmes Inspection". Each episode is essentially a worst-case scenario where an inept home inspector overlooked problems costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to repair.
 
2012-06-28 08:50:48 AM

jspenguin: The chemicals are especially hard on porcelain.

[s3.jspenguin.org image 624x352]


hydrofluoric acid isn't used in meth production, nor would it be found at the high school lab.

/phd chemist
 
2012-06-28 08:53:03 AM
problem: lazy americans.
problem: fat americans.
problem: sluggish economy
problem: ad/adhd
problem: dirty meth with uncontrolled dosing

solution: change 'illicit methamphetamine production' to 'legalized amphetamine production'. crap, i don't care, grow the FDA bureaucracy and monitor the facilities that produce it.
 
2012-06-28 09:05:40 AM

arcas: A standard home inspection had revealed no problems with the home, in Suquamish, Wash., near Seattle.

Home inspections are, by and large, worthless. My home inspector missed:


If a home inspector misses something on his report, then you can sue him for not catching it. If you don't get your own inspection done and find something wrong, the only recourse you'd have is to yell at the seller who will tell you that you bought it as is. So not completely worthless. How long ago did you buy the house?
 
2012-06-28 09:06:57 AM

utah dude: nor would it be found at the high school lab.


Sulfuric acid probably is, and calcium fluoride is sold commercially and is available cheaply as fluorospar. He's a chemist. You do the math. Understand my English? I'm dropping science on you. Luckily it's over the internet, or you'd be getting a physical education, too. Now I gotta call a recess, cause Art's telling me it's time for lunch. School's out.
 
2012-06-28 09:22:57 AM

doglover: This is the fault of the war on drugs.

Nobody makes Big Macs or Snickers bars at home. Nobody grows and roasts their own coffee beans. Nobody chooses to mill their own flour when they can afford a loaf of bread from a baker.

If meth was mass produced for market, it could be monitored and quality controlled. No need to cook it up at home. Plus think about how many people WOULDN'T take up meth and crack if they could just get similar highs from safer drugs developed with addiction reduction in mind.


Whatever! It already is it's called ritalin.
 
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