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(Russia Today)   For $1,000 you too can hack into and control one of the 30,000 drones soon to be flying over the US   (rt.com) divider line 73
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2012-06-27 08:14:00 PM
Beavis & Butthead did it.

Well, not the hacking--that would have taken knowledge and brains, but they controlled the drones and caused untold damage and havoc.
 
2012-06-28 12:13:51 AM
Why not? It'd be like having the ultimate remote-control airplane
 
2012-06-28 03:24:38 AM
siliconangle.com



what drone hacking may look like
 
2012-06-28 03:26:24 AM
Armed drones?
 
2012-06-28 03:26:49 AM
Half the gorram article was describing an interview with Fox News. Yeah. Sounds legit.
 
2012-06-28 03:27:39 AM
Domestic drones are already being used by the DHS and other governmental agencies

4.bp.blogspot.com

Anyone want some? This is way more than I can use by myself.
 
2012-06-28 03:32:54 AM
Domestic drones are already being used by the DHS and other governmental agencies, and several small-time law enforcement groups have accumulated UAVs of their own as they await clearance from the Federal Aviation Administration. Indeed, by 2020 there expects to betens of thousands of drones diving and dipping through US airspace.

OK I realize Balrog Obongo isn't the cause of all evil and injustice in the world but I'm more than a little annoyed that no one of importance seems to give a farking shiat about this crap, including him. This security state stuff is endless and depressing.
 
2012-06-28 03:33:44 AM

Kuoxasar: Domestic drones are already being used by the DHS and other governmental agencies, and several small-time law enforcement groups have accumulated UAVs of their own as they await clearance from the Federal Aviation Administration. Indeed, by 2020 there expects to betens of thousands of drones diving and dipping through US airspace.

OK I realize Balrog Obongo isn't the cause of all evil and injustice in the world but I'm more than a little annoyed that no one of importance seems to give a farking shiat about this crap, including him. This security state stuff is endless and depressing.


Democrats: It's not oppression when we do it.
 
2012-06-28 03:43:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Anyone want some? This is way more than I can use by myself.


Red Spy, standing by.

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2012-06-28 03:46:26 AM
1) You seem to think the President has influence and power he doesn't. This makes you an idiot. You also think this is tied to political parties, which is just Full Retard mode.

b) duh. If you can log into the thing remotely, then so can someone else. IT security secret; There is none. You can make it take longer, you can try to make it "not worth the trouble", but you can't ever make it secure.

III) Drones are, and have been, in use here for many years. The "people of importance" do give a fark, and that fark is that they set those drones in place there.
 
2012-06-28 03:51:50 AM
Americans continue to vote for the military industrial complex.

They shouldn't be shocked at the results.
 
2012-06-28 04:01:08 AM

ds615: 1) You seem to think the President has influence and power he doesn't. This makes you an idiot. You also think this is tied to political parties, which is just Full Retard mode.


Wow you are a hostile person, lol. He absolutely has the power and the influence to direct national conversations about these kinds of issues and to influence law making that impacts these programs. I am not expecting an executive order that says "No more drones u guyz," I'm expecting someone who campaigned on a generally liberal civil liberties platform, who's a constitutional lawyer, to perhaps care or be alarmed rather than say nothing.

III) Drones are, and have been, in use here for many years. The "people of importance" do give a fark, and that fark is that they set those drones in place there.

I was hoping for someone who gave a fark who is on our side.
 
2012-06-28 04:12:47 AM

farkityfarker: Americans continue to vote for the military industrial complex.

They shouldn't be shocked at the results.


Democracy and apathy/ignorance don't mix.
 
2012-06-28 04:15:20 AM

ds615: 1) You seem to think the President has influence and power he doesn't. This makes you an idiot.


Yeah. What, you think he's got any REAL power? It's the lizard people who control everything.
 
2012-06-28 04:16:09 AM

swahnhennessy: farkityfarker: Americans continue to vote for the military industrial complex.

They shouldn't be shocked at the results.

Democracy and apathy/ignorance don't mix.


That depends entirely upon whether you are in the electorate or are elected.
 
2012-06-28 04:29:50 AM

ds615: 1) You seem to think the President has influence and power he doesn't. This makes you an idiot. You also think this is tied to political parties, which is just Full Retard mode.

b) duh. If you can log into the thing remotely, then so can someone else. IT security secret; There is none. You can make it take longer, you can try to make it "not worth the trouble", but you can't ever make it secure.

III) Drones are, and have been, in use here for many years. The "people of importance" do give a fark, and that fark is that they set those drones in place there.


I am genuinely interested to know why you think the Commander in Chief can't manage federal units in American airspace.
 
2012-06-28 04:30:21 AM
that sounds like a good way to have some very stern looking secret service agents turn up at your house .
 
2012-06-28 04:41:32 AM
Just more proof that Iran did get that drone...
 
2012-06-28 04:49:42 AM

farkityfarker: Americans continue to vote for the military industrial complex are hamstrung by a two party, winner take all system that would take constitutional reforms to change but because that would also serve to the make the people currently in power more susceptible to getting voted out it won't happen.

They shouldn't be shocked at the results.


Sadly FTFY
 
2012-06-28 05:06:10 AM
If you do this, I'd recommend trying to crash the one you hijack into another one, thus killing two birds with one drone.
 
2012-06-28 05:33:45 AM
It's great how, since the Bush and Congress cowardly and idiotic response to 9/11, the money is in surveilling and policing all of us American citizens trying to find jobs. Unless we're in police or surveillance industry, of course --- then we have jobs wasting tax dollars. So how exactly is all this revenue-sapping activity bringing the US back to prosperity again?
 
2012-06-28 05:40:01 AM
Hrm. I suddenly have The Beastie Boys song, "Sabotage," playing in my brainwaves for some strange reason.
 
2012-06-28 05:44:22 AM
If you read the article, they spoofed the GPS signal. This affects just more than drones, pretty much everything that flys. Anyone with any imagination should be worried(we're well past tin foil here).
 
2012-06-28 05:50:48 AM
Dood... drivers don't even need spoofed GPS to end tit's up in a lake...
 
2012-06-28 06:02:24 AM

krackpipe: So how exactly is all this revenue-sapping activity bringing the US back to prosperity again?


What makes you think that's the goal?
 
2012-06-28 06:29:32 AM
"In five or ten years you have 30,000 drones in the airspace," he tells Fox News. "Each one of these could be a potential missile used against us."

Pandering to the Paranoid.
 
2012-06-28 06:31:23 AM

untaken_name: krackpipe: So how exactly is all this revenue-sapping activity bringing the US back to prosperity again?

What makes you think that's the goal?


Are you uninterested in the US returning to prosperity? Uncertain what your question means.
 
2012-06-28 06:34:46 AM

redkingca: If you read the article, they spoofed the GPS signal. This affects just more than drones, pretty much everything that flys. Anyone with any imagination should be worried(we're well past tin foil here).


This is more akin to old school phone phreaking than computer hacking. They aren't breaking into the software and controlling the thing. They went at it sideways.

A normal pilot can ignore his GPS if it goes nuts. To have it be a real problem he would also have to have a failure of his altimeter, airspeed indicator, compass, and all his comm and nav radio systems. If you have that many failures at once your whole electrical system is probably either dead or on fire so you have bigger problems to worry about than your GPS not reading correctly.

This isn't even a big deal for remote piloted drones. What they targeted was a drone that has a programmed flight path that it follows using GPS. They fed it false position data so it course corrected. They either have to have their own radar station or somebody watching it to know what heading it is on to know what kind of dummy signal to send to it to make it fly the direction they want. In addition they pretty much have to stay in line of sight and if it gets out of range it is just going to start picking up the real GPS signal and go back to the flight path it is supposed to be on.

The only way this poses any actual threat is if they spoof the drone into flying into something else.

It isn't even something that is difficult to fix. Directionally shield the GPS receiver so that it can only receive from above where actual GPS signals will be coming from. The problem can literally be solved with a roll of aluminum foil.
 
2012-06-28 06:47:22 AM
Use a light plane or your own drone to send your spoof signal from above. So much for that directional fix.
 
2012-06-28 06:55:51 AM

krackpipe: untaken_name: krackpipe: So how exactly is all this revenue-sapping activity bringing the US back to prosperity again?

What makes you think that's the goal?

Are you uninterested in the US returning to prosperity? Uncertain what your question means.


Sure, *I* want to return the US to prosperity. But I'm not in any kind of position of power or influence. What I'm asking is: What makes you believe that the goal of the people who set policy is to return the US to prosperity? Or, more specifically, to return the average US citizen to prosperity?
 
2012-06-28 07:12:06 AM

Kuoxasar:

I was hoping for someone who gave a fark who is on our side.


Those people are labeled as "crazy", "extremist" and "stupid" among other things by the media and most people here on Fark.

The problem is that most "people" don't care, therefore the "powers in charge" are doing exactly what the people want them to do. Nothing.

I used to care about the future of this country. Then I went out into the real world and saw that we no longer deserve what this country once was and stood for.


"Land of the Free" indeed.
 
2012-06-28 07:26:11 AM

Trackball: I used to care about the future of this country. Then I went out into the real world and saw that we no longer deserve what this country once was and stood for.


"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."

The drones will be abusing privacy until either a celebrity is killed or a billionaire is inconvenienced by one of them. Only then will either lots of people, or one guy with money, get the laws changed.

The more I look for work in this country, the more I with I could leave it.
 
2012-06-28 07:29:51 AM

Hacker_X: redkingca: If you read the article, they spoofed the GPS signal. This affects just more than drones, pretty much everything that flys. Anyone with any imagination should be worried(we're well past tin foil here).

This is more akin to old school phone phreaking than computer hacking. They aren't breaking into the software and controlling the thing. They went at it sideways.

A normal pilot can ignore his GPS if it goes nuts. To have it be a real problem he would also have to have a failure of his altimeter, airspeed indicator, compass, and all his comm and nav radio systems. If you have that many failures at once your whole electrical system is probably either dead or on fire so you have bigger problems to worry about than your GPS not reading correctly.

This isn't even a big deal for remote piloted drones. What they targeted was a drone that has a programmed flight path that it follows using GPS. They fed it false position data so it course corrected. They either have to have their own radar station or somebody watching it to know what heading it is on to know what kind of dummy signal to send to it to make it fly the direction they want. In addition they pretty much have to stay in line of sight and if it gets out of range it is just going to start picking up the real GPS signal and go back to the flight path it is supposed to be on.

The only way this poses any actual threat is if they spoof the drone into flying into something else.

It isn't even something that is difficult to fix. Directionally shield the GPS receiver so that it can only receive from above where actual GPS signals will be coming from. The problem can literally be solved with a roll of aluminum foil.


This is all true.

It's also true that a weather balloon with a spoofer on board, remotely controlled from the ground, would add perhaps a $500 bucks to the cost, would guarantee this would work over a *MUCH* wider area, and it would also be impossible to shield against because the signal would be coming from above the drone.
 
2012-06-28 07:30:54 AM
Schematics or it didn't happen.
 
2012-06-28 07:37:30 AM
FTFA: After all, reports Newser, domestic drones are likely to use the same unencrypted GPS signals provided to civilians

wat

Ok, I can see *domestic* drones having that problem, but any owned by the DoD or DHS *should* be using the GPS signals reserved for defense and the government (they're supposed to be more accurate). Are those signals unencrypted, too?
 
2012-06-28 08:01:49 AM
The anarchist in me thinks is a good idea (the hacking that is)
 
2012-06-28 08:14:50 AM

Crewmannumber6: The anarchist in me thinks is a good idea (the hacking that is)


Funny, so does the evil overlord in me.

/now send me a MILLION dollars!
//why are you laughing?
 
2012-06-28 08:20:48 AM

Edge.bot: that sounds like a good way to have some very stern looking secret service agents turn up at your house .


I just had them a mouldy stack of watchtowers and say, "Take these back and stop bothering me!"
 
2012-06-28 08:27:23 AM
So Skynet is becoming more and more of a reality every day.
 
2012-06-28 08:31:44 AM

krackpipe: It's great how, since the Bush and Congress cowardly and idiotic response to 9/11, the money is in surveilling and policing all of us American citizens trying to find jobs. Unless we're in police or surveillance industry, of course --- then we have jobs wasting tax dollars. So how exactly is all this revenue-sapping activity bringing the US back to prosperity again?


Fun fact: Prior to the Bush-era funding injections, the NSA's HQ was so outdated they were suffering brown-outs because of their shiatty power infrastructure that couldn't cope with their demands.

But hey, let's get pissy that we threw a bunch of money at them to fix their shiat.

/NSA was driven into the ground by civilians
//Slowly making a comeback
///some really interesting books on the topic
 
2012-06-28 08:36:13 AM
Damn Bush!!!

Wait.....
 
2012-06-28 08:37:35 AM
I'd been wondering about that...
 
2012-06-28 08:43:50 AM
Or, you can hack into them individually for twenty-five cents each and a scope.
 
2012-06-28 08:56:55 AM

over_and_done: The drones will be abusing privacy until either a celebrity is killed or a billionaire is inconvenienced by one of them. Only then will either lots of people, or one guy with money, get the laws changed.


If privacy is a concern, perhaps you might consider the UK, or China.
 
2012-06-28 08:58:42 AM
Clearly since it's so easy to hack into their control systems, the obvious solution is to remove the control systems and make them autonomous hunter-killer machines.

There's really no foreseeable downside.
 
2012-06-28 09:07:49 AM
RT? OK, *ahem*
CIA, Zionist, corporate, New World Order, colonialist USA, puppet media, etc., etc., etc.

/sing along if you've ever read the comments there.
 
2012-06-28 09:21:31 AM

Hacker_X: redkingca: If you read the article, they spoofed the GPS signal. This affects just more than drones, pretty much everything that flys. Anyone with any imagination should be worried(we're well past tin foil here).

This is more akin to old school phone phreaking than computer hacking. They aren't breaking into the software and controlling the thing. They went at it sideways.

A normal pilot can ignore his GPS if it goes nuts. To have it be a real problem he would also have to have a failure of his altimeter, airspeed indicator, compass, and all his comm and nav radio systems. If you have that many failures at once your whole electrical system is probably either dead or on fire so you have bigger problems to worry about than your GPS not reading correctly.

This isn't even a big deal for remote piloted drones. What they targeted was a drone that has a programmed flight path that it follows using GPS. They fed it false position data so it course corrected. They either have to have their own radar station or somebody watching it to know what heading it is on to know what kind of dummy signal to send to it to make it fly the direction they want. In addition they pretty much have to stay in line of sight and if it gets out of range it is just going to start picking up the real GPS signal and go back to the flight path it is supposed to be on.

The only way this poses any actual threat is if they spoof the drone into flying into something else.

It isn't even something that is difficult to fix. Directionally shield the GPS receiver so that it can only receive from above where actual GPS signals will be coming from. The problem can literally be solved with a roll of aluminum foil.


Exactly what I came in here to say... Carry on then.


//Also, I am 80% confident the pilots would notice any significant jump in position reporting and course correct.
 
2012-06-28 09:22:41 AM

xanadian: FTFA: After all, reports Newser, domestic drones are likely to use the same unencrypted GPS signals provided to civilians

wat

Ok, I can see *domestic* drones having that problem, but any owned by the DoD or DHS *should* be using the GPS signals reserved for defense and the government (they're supposed to be more accurate). Are those signals unencrypted, too?


I can't confirm that isn't the case, but you are correct it SHOULD be that way.
 
2012-06-28 09:24:57 AM

MisterRonbo: Use a light plane or your own drone to send your spoof signal from above. So much for that directional fix.


You try that and stuff on the ground is going to notice quickly. Both the FCC and the FCC will ream you out assuming the NSA or USAF don't get to you first.

dittybopper:
It's also true that a weather balloon with a spoofer on board, remotely controlled from the ground, would add perhaps a $500 bucks to the cost, would guarantee this would work over a *MUCH* wider area, and it would also be impossible to shield against because the sign ...


You can't really remote control a weather balloon. That is kinda the point of them. They go wherever the weather takes them. While you could end up quasi randomizing the flight paths of a bunch of drones (possibly) you can't guide any specific one with a wide broadcast. Also, the amount of power you would need to send with to do that would pretty much make your balloon a big glowing RF target. It is going to be exceptionally easy to notice the one weather balloon with a high power output vs the few that have little to no noticeable RF signature because they just have a few simple sensors on them.

If you aim up at something they have to get stuff in the air to triangulate where it is coming from. If you are aiming down at the target you have minutes at best and that is assuming somebody doesn't just look up.

So unless you can get your platform of choice over the drone and do what you need to do in under 15 minutes or so your goose is cooked.

So yeah, while directional shielding isn't a perfect solution, it is cheap, fast, and easy. The only ways around it are stuff that is going to get you hunted down and busted or killed shortly after you begin your attempt.
 
2012-06-28 09:26:28 AM

xanadian: FTFA: After all, reports Newser, domestic drones are likely to use the same unencrypted GPS signals provided to civilians

wat

Ok, I can see *domestic* drones having that problem, but any owned by the DoD or DHS *should* be using the GPS signals reserved for defense and the government (they're supposed to be more accurate). Are those signals unencrypted, too?


No - it's my understanding that military/gov't GPS is encrypted.

That doesn't mean that a domestic drone isn't full of fuel though, even while "unarmed."
 
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