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(The Sun)   Military pallbearers in uniform turned away from pub because the uniforms violated dress code   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 56
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2012-06-27 08:14:35 PM
I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.
 
2012-06-27 08:55:26 PM
What the hell military group piles into a bar for a nice cup of tea to calm their nerves?

/marching up and down the square
 
2012-06-27 09:05:08 PM
If anyone would be used to arbitrary, douchebag rules you'd think it'd be soldiers.
 
2012-06-27 09:20:02 PM

PhiloeBedoe: If anyone would be used to arbitrary, douchebag rules you'd think it'd be soldiers.


To be discussed over a few beers....
 
2012-06-27 09:54:48 PM
1: They left his side? What kind of crap is that? Brits are such insensitive clods.

2: Private property, owner probably hates military, cops, etc - which is his right.
 
2012-06-27 10:30:04 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.


So was the no uniform rule there so the local auto grease monkeys don't come in streight from work? Or is it a no military uniform rule? Either way it's his pub and his rules. The guys did it right. They didn't get stupid they just went down the road.
Now the arsehole that threw the brick needs to DIAF.
 
2012-06-27 11:09:18 PM
Wait.

shiat still goes on in Northern Ireland?

...

Guess I shouldn't be surprise.
 
2012-06-27 11:11:16 PM

xanadian: surprise.


SURPRISED.

:-\
 
2012-06-27 11:33:29 PM
Followup:
The commanding General declares the entire town to be off limits until the pub is shut down and the owners run out of town.

/one can only hope
 
2012-06-27 11:34:04 PM
Sign of organised gang activity, no doubt.
 
2012-06-27 11:35:13 PM
Thank you for your service.

It was lovely. And the cake was delicious. And did you see the flower arrangement? He would have really like that.
 
2012-06-27 11:35:32 PM
I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

The girls behind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,

I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy go away";

But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play-

The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,

O it's "Thank you Mr Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,

They gave a drunk civilian roo, but 'adn't none for me;

They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,

But when it comes to fighting', Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy wait outside";

But it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide-

The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,

O it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;

An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit

Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy 'ow's yer soul?"

But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll-

The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,

O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes," when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;

An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,

Why single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy fall be'ind,"

But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind-

There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,

O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:

We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.

Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face

The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck 'im out, the brute!"

But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;

An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
 
2012-06-27 11:35:50 PM
Look, if you're not wearing pink tu-tu's and ballet slippers then GET THE FARK OUT OF MY SISSY BAR!

Damn men wearing mens clothes.
 
2012-06-27 11:37:30 PM
That pub would not have to worry about the uniform rule if it was here. The servicemen would boycott it on their own. If it was outside a post, that would be the end of the bar.
 
2012-06-27 11:42:26 PM
So?

Its their own business. That is their rule. If you dont like it then dont go there, simple as that.
 
2012-06-27 11:44:01 PM
no uniforms means no uniforms. cry moar.
 
2012-06-27 11:45:36 PM
Maybe they thought they were the Village People 2.0
 
2012-06-27 11:46:22 PM
rogue sniper? hmm..

as opposed to a mage sniper or a cleric sniper?
 
2012-06-27 11:49:29 PM
Owner Ken Brown apologised to Michael's family but confirmed uniforms were banned from the premises.

So when a "police officer" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "health inspector" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "royal checker of the pint glass size" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

/riiiiight
 
2012-06-27 11:52:55 PM
question ..were those the dead guys big balls ? and did they need extra people to carry them?
 
2012-06-27 11:57:49 PM

DaCaptain19: Look, if you're not wearing pink tu-tu's and ballet slippers then GET THE FARK OUT OF MY SISSY BAR!

Damn men wearing mens clothes.


Hey, I'm a lumberjack, am I okay?
 
2012-06-27 11:59:02 PM
f*ckin brits
 
2012-06-28 12:04:53 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.


Or it might be a left-over security rule from the days of IRA bombings.
 
2012-06-28 12:08:48 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Owner Ken Brown apologised to Michael's family but confirmed uniforms were banned from the premises.

So when a "police officer" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "health inspector" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "royal checker of the pint glass size" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

/riiiiight


wtf are you talking about? If that's just trolling, then bravo.
 
GBB
2012-06-28 12:14:25 AM
www.jeffbots.com

Knows about getting kicked outta bars.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:36 AM

Loren: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.

Or it might be a left-over security rule from the days of IRA bombings.


When I think of Northern Ireland, I remember the story of a military man who went shopping for shoes for his daughter with his wife and child. The IRA went into the shop, dragged the guy out onto the street and shot him in front of his wife and daughter.

It wouldn't surprise me if there are lots of rules dealing with this sort of thing.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:49 AM

Loren: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.

Or it might be a left-over security rule from the days of IRA bombings.


Yeah, it is. British soldiers are officially not meant to wear their uniform off base, for exactly that reason. If the pub landlord had no idea there was a funeral nearby, then it makes perfect sense for him to turn away soldiers in uniform.

It's an entirely non-story, as you'd expect from the Daily Fail.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:46 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: When I think of Northern Ireland, I remember the story of a military man who went shopping for shoes for his daughter with his wife and child. The IRA went into the shop, dragged the guy out onto the street and shot him in front of his wife and daughter.

It wouldn't surprise me if there are lots of rules dealing with this sort of thing.


There might be, in Northern Ireland, but this happened in Coventry. Yes, there is some history of IRA activity in central England, but not recently or frequently. This would be similar to an Oakland bar banning Cops because they were afraid of a Black Panther attack.
 
2012-06-28 12:39:02 AM
Link

Read the reviews before this happened. My guess is that the doorman is named Torgo.
 
2012-06-28 12:42:11 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Loren: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.

Or it might be a left-over security rule from the days of IRA bombings.

Yeah, it is. British soldiers are officially not meant to wear their uniform off base, for exactly that reason. If the pub landlord had no idea there was a funeral nearby, then it makes perfect sense for him to turn away soldiers in uniform.

It's an entirely non-story, as you'd expect from the Daily Fail.


Ah, well that makes sense. It sucks that the pallbearers had to deal with that, but I can see the rationale.
 
2012-06-28 12:45:56 AM
British soldiers are not supposed to even wear their uniforms during unofficial business out in public.,Going to the pub for a quick pint is not official business. They were lucky they didn't get a beasting for pulling such an act.
 
2012-06-28 12:54:35 AM

Olfin Bedwere: Read the reviews before this happened. My guess is that the doorman is named Torgo.


Thanks for the link

I think these reviews also prove that it's not customary for English establishments to turn away soldiers in uniform, despite what many of those on this thread claim.

See also the review on Page 4 where they did refuse service to a Police Officer.
 
2012-06-28 01:09:38 AM
There is facebook group 'I've never been served at Browns Bar, Coventry'
http://www.facebook.com/groups/4773924583/

It's a couple of years old too :)
 
2012-06-28 01:19:10 AM
While I am glad that this problem appears to be taking care of itself, with a brick being thrown through the window and a boycott campaign... I still find it puzzling that the establishments owners have apparently learned no lessons, as they have confirmed their "no uniform policy". One must also wonder why such a policy exists in the first place.
 
2012-06-28 02:02:06 AM

Bermuda59: I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."


OUTSTANDING!!!
 
2012-06-28 02:04:49 AM
Outstanding use of Kipling I mean to say. Those idiots in the bar make me sad to be an Englishman.
 
2012-06-28 02:12:45 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I'm curious about the "no uniforms" rule. If it's up to the discretion of the staff, then this was purely a douche move. If there is some tradition for that particular pub about no uniforms, then it's still mildly douchey, but semi-expected if that was the case.


In San Diego they had no uniforms rules at some clubs in part because you weren't supposed to go to them if you were military. At the ones I remember having those rules, a big part was that Marines or Sailors screwed things up in the past, and the owners weren't willing to take the risk of having another brawl in their bar.

Some bars there had rules about having no solid colored clothes, nothing with a hood on it, nothing without sleeves that went halfway between the elbow and shoulder, no shorts that didn't cover at least halfway between the hips and the knees, etc.

Bars can have all kinds of crazy rules, and no military can make sense. If I were the manager, I'd have considered giving them an exception, but not if I thought a brawl might break out.
 
2012-06-28 02:26:17 AM

Bermuda59: I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

You talk ...


Beat me to it. +1 to you sir.
 
2012-06-28 02:38:18 AM
While A) i do believe it's the bar owners right to do this (private property and all that) I do also believe B) this is an incredibly douchey thing to do.
 
2012-06-28 03:40:17 AM

Smoking GNU: While A) i do believe it's the bar owners right to do this (private property and all that) I do also believe B) this is an incredibly douchey thing to do.


Just like free speech, you (A) have the right to say something mean, and it is (B) a douchy thing to do. But then (C) people have every right to be a douche back.

I have no problems with people farking with this bar owner from the way things look... It is just the natural cycle of things. Maybe he will change his uniform hating ways.
 
2012-06-28 06:20:13 AM
They have the right to ban anyone they like, and anyone who likes has the right to burn it down sometime next month.
 
2012-06-28 07:10:54 AM

Bermuda59: I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

The girls behind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,

I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy go away";

But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play-

The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,

O it's "Thank you Mr Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,

They gave a drunk civilian roo, but 'adn't none for me;

They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,

But when it comes to fighting', Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy wait outside";

But it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide-

The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,

O it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;

An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit

Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy 'ow's yer soul?"

But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll-

The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,

O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes," when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;

An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,

Why single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy fall be'ind,"

But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind-

There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,

O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk ...


I see I am about 8 hours late.
 
2012-06-28 07:13:43 AM

Maul555: Smoking GNU: While A) i do believe it's the bar owners right to do this (private property and all that) I do also believe B) this is an incredibly douchey thing to do.

Just like free speech, you (A) have the right to say something mean, and it is (B) a douchy thing to do. But then (C) people have every right to be a douche back.

I have no problems with people farking with this bar owner from the way things look... It is just the natural cycle of things. Maybe he will change his uniform hating ways.


Yet another misunderstanding of what "free speech" means. Sigh.
 
2012-06-28 07:34:18 AM
I did a search for Coventry and it seems the region is a hot bed for terrorist activity. So, to me, this rule would be valid. I would not want my pub/bar/diner blown up because it is a gathering point for soldiers.

These are tough times requiring tough decisions by many... I can only hope cool heads and common sense will prevail...

... Who am I kidding, right. They will burn the place to the ground.
 
2012-06-28 07:46:40 AM

Olfin Bedwere: Link

Read the reviews before this happened. My guess is that the doorman is named Torgo.


Wow. Pages of reviews warning people to stay away from the place due to: poor service, racial discrimination, obnoxious staff, etc. I'm assuming this most recent piece of awfulness might be the straw which breaks that camel's back.

Who am I kidding? Every masochist reading those reviews will think, "hmm, dining at its finest."
 
2012-06-28 07:51:36 AM
Plenty of bars around here have dress codes that prohibit "attire connoting membership in a group that advocates or practices violent or illegal behavior." The military uniforms would certainly fall under that prohibition.

The phraseology posted is identical at each bar, so it makes me wonder if it's taken verbatim from some court case.
 
2012-06-28 08:06:20 AM

Bermuda59: I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,


Thanks, if there was no Tommy by the time I got here I would have been pissed.
 
2012-06-28 08:24:04 AM
I wonder if this rule was in place in 1940.
 
2012-06-28 08:30:34 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Owner Ken Brown apologised to Michael's family but confirmed uniforms were banned from the premises.

So when a "police officer" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "health inspector" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

So when a "royal checker of the pint glass size" comes in, they ask him to leave as well?

/riiiiight


I think most rational people can infer an "except those worn by public officials in the discharge of their duties" exception. While the gentlemen in uniform had been performing duty as pall-bearers, their entrance to the pub was a prvate act, not an official one.
 
2012-06-28 08:35:58 AM
Aww, those poor little state-sponsored murderers and tools of the military-industrial complex.
 
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