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(CBS Miami)   Medical Examiner determines Miami cannibal did NOT have bath salts in his body, only marijuana. So this was just one really, really, really intense case of the munchies   (miami.cbslocal.com) divider line 175
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2012-06-27 08:19:40 PM
It was the devil's weed!
 
2012-06-27 08:25:00 PM
I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.
 
2012-06-27 08:27:27 PM
Anti-pot zealots using this as a "not even once" example in 3...2...1...
 
2012-06-27 08:44:09 PM
So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?
 
2012-06-27 08:49:17 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.


I'm no expert, but aren't there occasionally people with really insane reactions to drugs that are rarely, if ever seen? If that's true, why wouldn't pot have the same chance?
 
2012-06-27 08:49:25 PM
Yeah... if pot was the only drug he had on board then there really is a new zombie-creating supervirus out there.

Because pot did not do this.

or he had a previously undiagnosed etreme case of teh batshiats...
 
2012-06-27 08:52:26 PM
Dave?

Dave's left arm and skull fragments are the only parts still here, man.

/Dave?
 
2012-06-27 08:55:42 PM
www.forkparty.com
 
2012-06-27 09:03:32 PM
Sounds like a case of...
mixconnect.com
 
2012-06-27 09:08:23 PM
Welp, I want an AA-12 more than ever now.
 
2012-06-27 09:14:00 PM
I thought my dealer was exaggerating when he said it was killer weed.
 
2012-06-27 09:14:28 PM
Suck it, Steve Cohen.
 
2012-06-27 09:29:54 PM
I've witnessed the same sort of thing happen to a pizza.
 
2012-06-27 09:33:10 PM

Confabulat: I've witnessed the same sort of thing happen to a pizza.


filmbalaya.files.wordpress.com
Me too.
 
2012-06-27 09:37:18 PM

GAT_00: PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.

I'm no expert, but aren't there occasionally people with really insane reactions to drugs that are rarely, if ever seen? If that's true, why wouldn't pot have the same chance?


Yep, and just talked to a former drug addict friend of mine after I posted this and pot made him paranoid, so he didn't do it. Did everything else though.
 
2012-06-27 09:38:26 PM
well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.
 
2012-06-27 09:43:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.


If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?
 
2012-06-27 09:48:06 PM

Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?


A tomato-based sauce that helps relieve aches and pains?
 
2012-06-27 10:03:17 PM

Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?


according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.
 
2012-06-27 10:03:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.


I read all your posts as "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" and envision a little kitten chasing a ball of yarn. It makes the interwebby tolerable.
 
2012-06-27 10:11:11 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Dave?

Dave's left arm and skull fragments are the only parts still here, man.

/Dave?


Dave's not here.
 
2012-06-27 10:16:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.


that sounds like a medical benefit
 
2012-06-27 10:41:14 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.


well clearly you dont know how this game is played. Watch for fauxnews to talk about the MADNESS of legalizing pot and how it will lead to millions of cannibal attacks!!!
 
2012-06-27 11:14:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.


I've been smoking weed almost daily since I was about 15 years old, and I'm in my 40s. It's one of the best things that has ever happened to me. It's something I look forward to and enjoy immensely. It gives me excellent peace of mind and helps my appetite (I don't eat much and it's hard for me to stay about 130 pounds without it). Also, having to find weed results in social activity. I've met many amazing people over the decades in my quest for good ganja, and some of them have become life-long friends.

In short, my personal experience with marijuana has been an overwhelming positive one. Your results may vary, but I KNOW that's been a wonderful addition to my life.

So shove your whiny "pot is bad" shtick. No one is forcing you to smoke it.
 
2012-06-27 11:19:02 PM
So clearly it was because of marijuana
 
2012-06-27 11:36:52 PM
I'm high on bath salts right now and I'd just like to say that marijuana is a dangerO...

GRrrr GrRrrr grrr GIVEMEYOURFACE!
 
2012-06-27 11:43:30 PM
FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.
 
2012-06-27 11:46:31 PM
http://www.spin.com/articles/bathlands-deep-heart-americas-new-drug-ni ghtmare
 
2012-06-27 11:51:15 PM

Jamdug!: FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.


Not sure if serious....


There's a big difference between "Not in a standard test." and "Untraceable."

Methedrone, aka bath salts, isn't invisible or unkown.
 
2012-06-27 11:55:13 PM

doglover: Jamdug!: FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.

Not sure if serious....


There's a big difference between "Not in a standard test." and "Untraceable."

Methedrone, aka bath salts, isn't invisible or unkown.


http://www.spin.com/articles/bathlands-deep-heart-americas-new-drug-n i ghtmare
 
2012-06-27 11:56:49 PM

brap: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

I read all your posts as "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" and envision a little kitten chasing a ball of yarn. It makes the interwebby tolerable.


I'd like to think he said the exact opposite of what he really thinks for comedic effect, but the kitten and ball of yarn works too.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:16 AM
I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.
 
2012-06-28 12:03:48 AM

Generation_D: So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?


Well, of course! He works for a governmental body, so he's lying no matter wat comes out of his mouth.

Geez, thought everyone knew that by now.
 
2012-06-28 12:05:58 AM
I blaming the religion he practiced which had some cannibalistic ritual, I believe it was called Christianity if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-06-28 12:06:26 AM
Maybe the dude was just crazy?
 
2012-06-28 12:06:39 AM
Eating your grandmother's tits off isn't normal.

But on pot it is.
 
2012-06-28 12:08:23 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.


Check out the pot moobs in my PIP!
 
2012-06-28 12:09:18 AM

Confabulat: tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.

I've been smoking weed almost daily since I was about 15 years old, and I'm in my 40s. It's one of the best things that has ever happened to me. It's something I look forward to and enjoy immensely. It gives me excellent peace of mind and helps my appetite (I don't eat much and it's hard for me to stay about 130 pounds without it). Also, having to find weed results in social activity. I've met many amazing people over the decades in my quest for good ganja, and some of them have become life-long friends.

In short, my personal experience with marijuana has been an overwhelming positive one. Your results may vary, but I KNOW that's been a wonderful addition to my life.

So shove your whiny "pot is bad" shtick. No one is forcing you to smoke it.


I am by no means a pot smoker, hell I have only smoked maybe 2 times in my whole life, but I did live with some massive pot heads and I completely agree with what you said.

What amazes me is that in pretty much every state anybody over 21 can walk into a liquor store and buy alcohol so strong and such high proof that you could power a jet or car with it yet when it comes to weed it's still illegal. DUI is a serious issue and alcohol is some deadly shiat but weed, the unlaced kind of stuff the natural growing in someones home, is far from that deadly. It needs to be come legal and regulated and the US needs to get serious on how they deal with crimes involving drugs. Republicans and many others need to observe how other countries are dealing with drugs and follow their model, stop sticking your head in the sand and learn from others who have gone down the same path.
 
2012-06-28 12:09:31 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.


Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.
 
2012-06-28 12:10:02 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: I'm high on bath salts right now and I'd just like to say that marijuana is a dangerO...

GRrrr GrRrrr grrr GIVEMEYOURFACE!


I laughed so, so hard at this.

Could be because I smoked so much that I can't feel my face, though.
 
2012-06-28 12:10:07 AM
This is BS. I'll bet it was that synthetic crap (hemp sticks sprayed with so-called THC but it's really who knows what). They sell it in magazines.
 
2012-06-28 12:10:08 AM
Oh great, so now the pro-war on drugs crowd can spend the next 15 years using this awful story to score political points.
 
2012-06-28 12:10:13 AM

belhade: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

Check out the pot moobs in my PIP!


Put down the baby, Panama Red.
 
2012-06-28 12:10:34 AM
I didn't read this story but I read it elsewhere and the guy had K2 in his system and just like the story below about the K9 this guy had the same problem. This has nothing to do with weed.
 
2012-06-28 12:12:51 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.



FDA-approved cure for anorexia?
 
2012-06-28 12:14:56 AM
Im still stocking up...

helablog.com
 
2012-06-28 12:15:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.


Tickseed? My brother was disapoint visiting my house.
 
2012-06-28 12:16:49 AM

Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.


Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.
 
2012-06-28 12:20:44 AM
I'm high right now ... munching on baby ...

corn.


/Dude! Wait, what?
 
2012-06-28 12:20:52 AM
It's near impossible to test for bath salts. I think the M.E. is just trying to save face.
 
2012-06-28 12:22:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


huh. i dunno? and i know a lot of plants (or weeds as most people call them).
 
2012-06-28 12:22:47 AM
29.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-06-28 12:24:16 AM
I like this article better:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/27/rudy-eugene-face-marijuana-m e dical-examiner-results_n_1632253.html

FTA: According to Local10, the former North Miami Beach High School football player was once diagnosed as schizophrenic after an arrest, but authorities are not sure if he ever sought treatment.

Food for thought.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:38 AM

Loucifer: It's near impossible to test for bath salts. I think the M.E. is just trying to save face.


thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-28 12:25:01 AM
You ever chewed off someones face? You ever chewed off someones face...ON WEED?
 
2012-06-28 12:27:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.



Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


That red vein in the leaves doesn't look right at all, but I'm no expert. And like I said, there won't be "buds" until the female plant is in the flowering stage. This happens when there is less light in the day, certainly not now.
 
2012-06-28 12:27:58 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


Looks like Star hibiscus.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:05 AM
Pot stays in your system for 30 days. just because it was found in his blood absolutely does not mean he was stoned when he ate that man's delicious face.
 
2012-06-28 12:28:50 AM
Y'all so prejudiced. If the spectrogram said 'weed,' 's probably weed. People have done some pretty sick shiat sober. Bath salts are mephedrone, methyone, and provalerone. Hallucinogens are safe drugs. Safer, even, than the succorant cannabis everybody loves so much*.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/01/what-bath-salts-will - and-won-t-make-you-do.html
Link

//* 'cept mesc, which is ok in moderate doses if you are not pregnant
 
2012-06-28 12:30:08 AM

hissatsu: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.

Looks like Star hibiscus.


Very similar! I'll keep an eye out for flowers.
 
2012-06-28 12:30:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


Nope not it.

If you take a leaf and sniff it, if it's pot, you will smell it.
 
2012-06-28 12:34:25 AM
check my original post back when this was a new story, where I said that it was not bath salts (mephedrone) and that they only said so to get the public to rally behind illegalizing it.

some said i was wearing a tin-foil hat!


ze foolz.
 
2012-06-28 12:43:29 AM
Next thing you know, you'll be sharing dirty pot needles and snorting weed off of a hooker's ass. BEFORE YOU EAT HER FACE!
 
2012-06-28 12:45:16 AM
"Frontline" did an expose not long ago about how medical examiners will report what they are told to report. It's their job. This will be used from now on as the prime example of marijuana's dangerous effects. It's perfect. Too perfect.

/ you are primed
 
2012-06-28 12:46:07 AM

Ed Finnerty: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

A tomato-based sauce that helps relieve aches and pains?


bravo man, bravo
 
2012-06-28 12:46:32 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.


Well, pot is a mild psychotic, i.e. if you're already on the edge of being farking crazy it can set you off. So, yeah, actually medical experience with the drug would seem to indicate it could have been a contributing factor, albeit not really the primary factor (that being the pre-existing psych condition).
 
2012-06-28 12:46:55 AM
Just seems awfully convenient. You know, with the recent put to legalize pot and all...
 
2012-06-28 12:48:17 AM

gund: AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.

Nope not it.

If you take a leaf and sniff it, if it's pot, you will smell it.


Hehehe I can just imagine him standing there with his face in this bush sniffing all the leaves
 
2012-06-28 12:48:36 AM

Veloram: Just seems awfully convenient. You know, with the recent put

push to legalize pot and all...

ftfm
 
2012-06-28 12:49:39 AM
Crazy people do crazy things. Drugs can inspire them to be more crazy, but it takes an extreme level of fundamental insanity to chew off someone's face.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:08 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


Ruderalis, I think...A close relative, but not psychoactive.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:34 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.


I believe his point was if marijuana truly has no medical benefits, as the DEA and FDA claim, then why would they bother to create a pill-form substitute in the first place? Which is a rather valid point, in my opinion. Why bother mimicking the active ingredient of a substance that's supposedly useless for medical purposes?
 
2012-06-28 12:52:30 AM

GAT_00: PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.

I'm no expert, but aren't there occasionally people with really insane reactions to drugs that are rarely, if ever seen? If that's true, why wouldn't pot have the same chance?


I've heard that for some people with latent mental imbalances, psychoactive drugs can exacerbate or "ignite" the imbalance, if you will. Pot could affect such a person in this way I suppose.

A friend of mine from high school went crazy shortly after I introduced him to LSD. We had been smoking pot together for a few years, then went to college and discovered the hallucinogens. I can't say that the acid was the trigger for his mental breakdown, because I think it would have happened anyway. Some people think the drugs were the catalyst though.

/I dunno...I stuck with drugs for many years. The only one that caused real damage in my life was alcohol.
//sober. still pro-cannabis, but sober now.
 
2012-06-28 12:55:10 AM
I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing the guy may not have all of his marbles in the first place.
 
2012-06-28 12:56:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


That's definitely not cannabis. I'm not sure what it is though.
 
2012-06-28 12:56:36 AM
why would it matter what drugs he's on..?
he committed a crime

and when u break the law
you go to jail

isn't that right ralphie

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-28 12:56:44 AM
I should also mention...I have known hundreds of pot smokers, over the years. Some sane, some crazy. Not ONCE, in all that time, have ANY of them tried to eat another live mammal, under any circumstances. An occasional goldfish, perhaps, but no live mammal eating.

I am thinking underlying mental health issues, trying to self medicate using pot with no mental health counseling or treatment.
 
2012-06-28 12:57:03 AM

gund: If you take a leaf and sniff it, if it's pot, you will smell it.


Then you think "Do I feel high?" You think about that until someone walks by, and you wonder if you said it out loud. You have to maintain, now, get where it's safe. You walk towards the intersection, trying to remember if a normal human step size is 1.5 sidewalk squares or 2, then you're on a driveway and it's like 10 feet without cracks, so you just look down and try not to make eye contact with the people on the road, they're watching you, man. You get to the intersection and look for the button, it must be an automatic crosswalk because you can't find it. You wait, and it says stop, you wait like forever, and cars are stopping, waving you past, and you turn away for a moment, pretending to check your pockets... Then you see it's a stop sign, so after the first car there, you can walk... or is that just for cars? Dammit, if you had your car, this would be easier, you know how to drive past a stopsign, but walking, you can't remember. You turn right and try to find an easier intersection to cross, one without so many cars, signs, and open space. You adopt sort of a bouncy, jaunty strut, it's a sunny day so you're supposed to be happy, right? You see some old woman, and tell her you got a hot lady waiting and give her a smile but maybe you smiled wrong because she's staring at you and you need to check a mirror but you don't carry one. What if your face is all wrong, and you're smiling with a frown now? Wait. A car mirror, there's mirrors on all the parked cars! You walk over all casual, but it's too low. You bend down and your face is all pinched, man, maybe the mirror is bent. You reach out to touch it, and when you take your hand away you see someone STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU! Holy shiat, it's a cop, you were looking in a farking cop's mirror, is that a crime, is it? Holy shiat man, you're sooo farking high, man, holy fark, you're going to prison, man!
 
2012-06-28 01:00:47 AM

El Brujo: GAT_00: PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.

I'm no expert, but aren't there occasionally people with really insane reactions to drugs that are rarely, if ever seen? If that's true, why wouldn't pot have the same chance?

I've heard that for some people with latent mental imbalances, psychoactive drugs can exacerbate or "ignite" the imbalance, if you will. Pot could affect such a person in this way I suppose.

A friend of mine from high school went crazy shortly after I introduced him to LSD. We had been smoking pot together for a few years, then went to college and discovered the hallucinogens. I can't say that the acid was the trigger for his mental breakdown, because I think it would have happened anyway. Some people think the drugs were the catalyst though.

/I dunno...I stuck with drugs for many years. The only one that caused real damage in my life was alcohol.
//sober. still pro-cannabis, but sober now.


i2.listal.com
Satan, is in the house, he killed my Mom and turned her into a bull!
 
2012-06-28 01:01:54 AM
I wonder if he was a DARE graduate.
 
2012-06-28 01:04:49 AM
I'd like to know how that was determined. Did they purchase every kind of bath salt(research chemical) known, test each one for its specific alkaloids, and then look for those specific alkaloids in the body? Sounds like the coroner just wants his 15 minutes.
 
2012-06-28 01:05:44 AM

farkingismybusiness:

[i2.listal.com image 300x319]
Satan, is in the house, he killed my Mom and turned her into a bull!


Man, now I'm going to have to dig up the DVD and watch that again.

/ Who would have thought Matthew Lillard can actually act?
 
2012-06-28 01:05:59 AM

wantingout: I'd like to know how that was determined. Did they purchase every kind of bath salt(research chemical) known, test each one for its specific alkaloids, and then look for those specific alkaloids in the body? Sounds like the coroner just wants his 15 minutes.


why does it matter?
drugs don't bite off heads.
people do
 
2012-06-28 01:06:03 AM

MisterLoki: Maybe the dude was just crazy?


You think? Crazy but it's not just the crazy.
 
2012-06-28 01:07:43 AM
I suspect that this dude would be a face chewer even if he only had a cup of coffee in his system.
 
2012-06-28 01:10:16 AM

Jim_Callahan: PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.

Well, pot is a mild psychotic, i.e. if you're already on the edge of being farking crazy it can set you off. So, yeah, actually medical experience with the drug would seem to indicate it could have been a contributing factor, albeit not really the primary factor (that being the pre-existing psych condition).


Or, your husband can get you stoned and then have you watch Fear and Loathing. I do NOT want to repeat that.
 
2012-06-28 01:13:21 AM

namatad: PC LOAD LETTER: I think after this many years of pot use, we would know what's attributable to pot and what is not.

well clearly you dont know how this game is played. Watch for fauxnews to talk about the MADNESS of legalizing pot and how it will lead to millions of cannibal attacks!!!


Several fauxnews pundits with their own show lean Libertarian and would have it leagalized, and I believe a great deal of their better known paid contributors who lean all kinds of crazy ways would.
 
2012-06-28 01:14:27 AM
Many many years ago, when I lived in Dallas, I watched a PBS special on the hazards of pot. They interviewed a dude who was 45 years old, and who had spent approximately 30 of those years in assorted Texas correctional institutions. His major biatch was he had spent sooooo much of his life in cages of some sort just from smoking some weed. The interviewer asked him if he had learned any life lessons in his turmoils. The dude said yes he had, and it was "No mater what happens, don't forget to pass the dubbie".

/and farkingismybusiness~ please pass the dubbie.
 
2012-06-28 01:14:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


Not cannabis.

Hibiscus.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-28 01:15:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.


Cleome or Spider Flower
www.illinoiswildflowers.info

/Hot Hot Hot
//Or maybe Okra.....Derp!
 
2012-06-28 01:19:09 AM

The_Sponge: I suspect that this dude would be a face chewer even if he only had a cup of coffee in his system.


This is an excellent point. I've been saying for years that caffeine should be a schedule 1 drug.
 
2012-06-28 01:20:32 AM

MayoSlather: The_Sponge: I suspect that this dude would be a face chewer even if he only had a cup of coffee in his system.

This is an excellent point. I've been saying for years that caffeine should be a schedule 1 drug.


but how are bodybuilders gonna get the thermogenic energy necessary to lower their BMI to "passing".
 
2012-06-28 01:24:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


That is clearly Cassava or Tapioca Plant....
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-28 01:25:33 AM
maybe not drug drug bath salts
but what about traditional ones??

dear god
check pepsi cola for head biting problems too while your at it
 
2012-06-28 01:30:09 AM
Apparently the country needed more stupid.
 
2012-06-28 01:32:20 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.


Well I can't ID it, but I can tell you for a fact its NOT POT. It looks poisonous to me. I definitely wouldn;t attempt to consume it.
 
2012-06-28 01:34:27 AM
Jon iz teh kewl: wantingout: I'd like to know how that was determined. Did they purchase every kind of bath salt(research chemical) known, test each one for its specific alkaloids, and then look for those specific alkaloids in the body? Sounds like the coroner just wants his 15 minutes.

why does it matter?
drugs don't bite off heads.
people do

it matters because... REEFER MADNESS.
 
2012-06-28 01:37:33 AM

Point02GPA: Many many years ago, when I lived in Dallas, I watched a PBS special on the hazards of pot. They interviewed a dude who was 45 years old, and who had spent approximately 30 of those years in assorted Texas correctional institutions. His major biatch was he had spent sooooo much of his life in cages of some sort just from smoking some weed. The interviewer asked him if he had learned any life lessons in his turmoils. The dude said yes he had, and it was "No mater what happens, don't forget to pass the dubbie".

/and farkingismybusiness~ please pass the dubbie.


www.timbouckley.com
I'm Bogarting this biatch.
 
2012-06-28 01:38:31 AM
nerdapproved.com
 
2012-06-28 01:41:59 AM

Hagenhatesyouall: AverageAmericanGuy: Mark Ratner: AverageAmericanGuy: I found a bush in a park nearby that has leaves that resemble cannabis, but without any distinctive scent.

I wonder what it is.

Could be cannabis and if it is, its in the growth stage right now. It won't smell good until the flowering stage..September and later.

Hmm. It's about 5' high and has lots of leaves. None of the buds I'd expect to recognize, though.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x856]

Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.

Not cannabis.

Hibiscus.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x853]

I think you're right, the leaves seem pointier than Cassava.
 
2012-06-28 01:44:18 AM
Pfft! Whatever. Let the zombie apoca-whatever happen.

Here's a picture of me in my garage...

cdn.firearmstalk.com

/The other half is full of guns, food, water, and toilet paper
 
2012-06-28 01:57:35 AM
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Mental illness is a heluva drug.
 
2012-06-28 02:00:00 AM

Generation_D: So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?


He never said it. An unnamed cop did. Because bath salts are scary, and we should be scared. Mental illness couldn't have anything to do with this.
 
2012-06-28 02:07:39 AM

cretinbob: So clearly it was because of marijuana


I'd rather it was marijuana than due to some strange airborne zombie virus.
 
2012-06-28 02:08:20 AM

illannoyin: Pfft! Whatever. Let the zombie apoca-whatever happen.

Here's a picture of me in my garage...

[cdn.firearmstalk.com image 558x281]

/The other half is full of guns, food, water, and toilet paper



Where do you keep the Ark of the Covenant?
 
2012-06-28 02:11:25 AM
I heard there was this one time, when a girl got so high on pot that she thought she was a bird and jumped out of a window from the 20th floor.
This face eating thing sounds alot worse. I guess pot is getting way more powerful, huh?
 
2012-06-28 02:15:47 AM

Confabulat: tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.

I've been smoking weed almost daily since I was about 15 years old, and I'm in my 40s. It's one of the best things that has ever happened to me. It's something I look forward to and enjoy immensely. It gives me excellent peace of mind and helps my appetite (I don't eat much and it's hard for me to stay about 130 pounds without it). Also, having to find weed results in social activity. I've met many amazing people over the decades in my quest for good ganja, and some of them have become life-long friends.

In short, my personal experience with marijuana has been an overwhelming positive one. Your results may vary, but I KNOW that's been a wonderful addition to my life.

So shove your whiny "pot is bad" shtick. No one is forcing you to smoke it.


Are you in my mind?! I couldn't have said this any better.

/Only I'm younger :D
 
2012-06-28 02:26:04 AM
Or, as one of my idiot fundie acquaintances on Facebook put it...

puu.sh
 
2012-06-28 02:34:12 AM
Pure THC (commonly thought to be the active ingredient in pot) can induce severe psychotic states. Fortunately, natural marijuana also contains cannabidiol which is an anti-psychotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

See also this film clip from a BBC documentary (which is generally pro-pot) where the reporter takes pure THC, then takes pure THC+cannabidiol. A big difference between the two:

Should I smoke dope? part 6/6
 
2012-06-28 02:55:50 AM

ansius: Pure THC (commonly thought to be the active ingredient in pot) can induce severe psychotic states. Fortunately, natural marijuana also contains cannabidiol which is an anti-psychotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol


Are there any synthetics that could be mistakenly viewed as being normal pot without any traces of anything else in this high profile of a case?
 
2012-06-28 02:57:33 AM

ZipSplat: Or, as one of my idiot fundie acquaintances on Facebook put it...

[puu.sh image 527x611]


coltmonday.files.wordpress.com

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
-Mahatma Ghandi
 
2012-06-28 03:03:11 AM
ansius~

Thanks for the funny, informative link. Nice find. .
 
2012-06-28 03:07:49 AM
Sux all right. The truth is typically forgotten by the time the toxicology reports come out. For example, legislatures are likely primed to outlaw bath salts by now just based on the hysteria the cops created by blaming something that wasn't even a factor. Wonder Bread would be a Schedule I drug if law enforcement had its way, in my opinion. Since they're surveilling every aspect of everything we do anyway, let's just make everything illegal and give some people a permit to leave their house, if they can prove they need to, subject to revocation by any police officer.
 
2012-06-28 03:16:56 AM

CrazyCurt: This will be used from now on as the prime example of marijuana's dangerous effects. It's perfect. Too perfect.


Completely the opposite, it seems. I'm surprised the notably reasonable conclusion of the article isn't getting more attention here. Didn't anybody notice this?

Many believed drugs were to blame, but with Wednesday's report the search has begun for a new cause for one of South Florida's most bizarre crimes.

This unprecedentedly reasonable statement about marijuana was dropped casually into a news story on a mainstream network news web site like it was just common sense. This is more surprising than Rudy Eugene stripping naked and chewing off a homeless guy's face ever was.
 
2012-06-28 04:22:54 AM

rkallister: ZipSplat: Or, as one of my idiot fundie acquaintances on Facebook put it...

[puu.sh image 527x611]

[coltmonday.files.wordpress.com image 311x400]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
-Mahatma Ghandi



It's Gandhi and he never said that
 
2012-06-28 04:27:34 AM
/sigh
//That's all I can think to sum up the billions of thoughts in my head right.
 
2012-06-28 04:41:21 AM

rkallister: ZipSplat: Or, as one of my idiot fundie acquaintances on Facebook put it...

[puu.sh image 527x611]

[coltmonday.files.wordpress.com image 311x400]

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
-Mahatma Ghandi


I'm pretty sure the Maniac of Gadara would disagree that this was the worst demonic possession.
 
2012-06-28 04:46:29 AM
davidphogan: He never said it. An unnamed cop did. Because bath salts are scary, and we should be scared. Mental illness couldn't have anything to do with this.

Pseudo-amphetamine "Bath Salts", and synthetic cannabinoids designed to research receptors in animal models and not used on humans until some enterprising young amature chemist found a market for them - like Spice and k2, ARE scary.

You should be scared of them.

And you're the biggest idiot this side of a DARE Cop if you take them.
 
2012-06-28 04:47:53 AM
Wait, this all makes sense...

Weed makes you hungry. Zombies are hungry.
Weed makes you lethargic and slow. Zombies are lethargic and slow.
Therefore, through the magic of Internet Science, Weed creates Zombies!
 
2012-06-28 04:50:25 AM
Pfftt everyone knows the half life of jenkem is so short that it never shows up. Clearly that's what he was on.
 
2012-06-28 05:59:21 AM

ansius: Pure THC (commonly thought to be the active ingredient in pot) can induce severe psychotic states. Fortunately, natural marijuana also contains cannabidiol which is an anti-psychotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

See also this film clip from a BBC documentary (which is generally pro-pot) where the reporter takes pure THC, then takes pure THC+cannabidiol. A big difference between the two:

Should I smoke dope? part 6/6


That may explain why I can have drastically different experiences depending on where I got it from.

Most of the time it has ranged from enjoyable to mildly paranoid. But a few times I have become extremely paranoid, and also had some really weird and worrisome physical feelings. It doesn't necessarily seem to be related to the overall "strength", since I've had really strong stuff that just left me blasted, but doesn't make me react badly, and pretty weak stuff that does.

Last time I had it was a couple of years ago and I had a massive freakout. I actually looked straight at my husband, who has never mistreated me at all, either physically or mentally, and said "Are you going to kill me?"
Which I can see is funny in hindsight, but at the time I was completely serious. I thought he had some plan to kill me that night and I was terrified. I also exhibited all kinds of other paranoid behavior, much of which I only vaguely remember, but my husband states I was acting pretty damn psychotic, almost schizophrenic (and it's not like he has nothing to compare to...my mom is actually schizophrenic and he's seen her on days her meds aren't working well). I was convinced that he was reading my mind, and was somehow using it to manipulate me into doing something to kill myself so he could end my life without being suspected by the police. If no one thinks that's somewhat psychotic, somewhat schizophrenic thinking, I dunno what to say.
I also tried to leave the house several times and walk to the hospital (I can't remember what I expected them to do, but it made no sense). It was mid winter, snow on the ground, the middle of the night, I was in my PJs, and I wasn't even going in the right direction. My husband kept having to drag me back into the house, which was quite a feat despite my being 5 ft tall, and him 6'2", because apparently I had some kind of psychotic adrenaline thing going on.

Anyway. That's just a couple parts of that night. What's worse, is we'd eaten it that night, rather than smoked (my husband has bad asthma and allergies so he doesn't like to smoke anything), so rather than this horrible experience lasting a couple of hrs, it lasted like 6+ hrs, until I finally started to come down, and exausted from struggling with my husband and freaking out mentally, I passed out. I was acting so weird and freaked out that he actually made me call my dad, middle of the night, in hopes that he'd calm me down. How embarrassing is that the next day?
So yeah. I just avoid pot altogether at this point. Several good experiences are far outweighed by a bad experience to that extent. The experience also ended up triggering severe panic attacks, which I hadn't had in years, for months afterward.

Anyway, I don't think pot could make a normally sane person go psychotic enough to to bite someones face off, but if they already have some kind of mental issue, like onset of schizophrenia, I could definitely see it worsening the symptoms to the point where they may react more violently than otherwise. Most schizophrenics of course aren't violent people, but add in any drug and it could cause an abnormal reaction since their brain chemistry isn't right to begin with. I know when my mom smokes it she starts saying and doing weird things that her meds normally keep under control. However the weed either increases the schizophrenia symptoms, or weakens the efficacy of her meds. She says it makes her feel better, but outwardly her behavior is more erratic on it.
 
2012-06-28 07:30:50 AM
pure THC was the stuff of legends. till Dronabinol came out. then people were like this is weird
 
2012-06-28 07:48:34 AM

skink: AverageAmericanGuy: Took this pic this morning on my way to the train station. Maybe some botanist can help identify it.

Ruderalis, I think...A close relative, but not psychoactive.


Ruderalis batavius, to be more precise.

/let's see how bad a pun can be.
 
2012-06-28 07:51:15 AM

wantingout: I'd like to know how that was determined. Did they purchase every kind of bath salt(research chemical) known, test each one for its specific alkaloids, and then look for those specific alkaloids in the body? Sounds like the coroner just wants his 15 minutes.


TFA does quote the report as saying, "Within the limits of current technology by both laboratories, marijuana is the only drug identified in the body of Mr. Rudy Eugene."

What this report really means is that nothing that they tested for was found, other than marijuana. There could have been any number of other chemicals present. They can only find what they test for. We will likely never know what he was actually on, unless the person who sold it to him is willing to come forward and provide a sample to the authorities. Somehow, I don't see that happening.
 
2012-06-28 08:04:26 AM
Generation_D [TotalFark]


So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?

the police clearly are.
 
2012-06-28 08:24:05 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: I can have drastically different experiences depending on where I got it from.


Ihaveanevilparrot: .my mom is actually schizophrenic


Ihaveanevilparrot: I just avoid pot altogether at this point.


Ihaveanevilparrot: I know when my mom smokes it she starts saying and doing weird things that her meds normally keep under control.


There are always clues whether you should do pot if you look.
 
2012-06-28 08:29:47 AM

farkingismybusiness: Sounds like a case of...
[mixconnect.com image 400x300]


28.media.tumblr.com

/reefer goes where?
 
2012-06-28 08:57:49 AM
What a convenient intro to the coming war on marijuana. It will take us all.
 
2012-06-28 09:06:04 AM

UsikFark: gund: If you take a leaf and sniff it, if it's pot, you will smell it.

Then you think "Do I feel high?" You think about that until someone walks by, and you wonder if you said it out loud. You have to maintain, now, get where it's safe. You walk towards the intersection, trying to remember if a normal human step size is 1.5 sidewalk squares or 2, then you're on a driveway and it's like 10 feet without cracks, so you just look down and try not to make eye contact with the people on the road, they're watching you, man. You get to the intersection and look for the button, it must be an automatic crosswalk because you can't find it. You wait, and it says stop, you wait like forever, and cars are stopping, waving you past, and you turn away for a moment, pretending to check your pockets... Then you see it's a stop sign, so after the first car there, you can walk... or is that just for cars? Dammit, if you had your car, this would be easier, you know how to drive past a stopsign, but walking, you can't remember. You turn right and try to find an easier intersection to cross, one without so many cars, signs, and open space. You adopt sort of a bouncy, jaunty strut, it's a sunny day so you're supposed to be happy, right? You see some old woman, and tell her you got a hot lady waiting and give her a smile but maybe you smiled wrong because she's staring at you and you need to check a mirror but you don't carry one. What if your face is all wrong, and you're smiling with a frown now? Wait. A car mirror, there's mirrors on all the parked cars! You walk over all casual, but it's too low. You bend down and your face is all pinched, man, maybe the mirror is bent. You reach out to touch it, and when you take your hand away you see someone STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU! Holy shiat, it's a cop, you were looking in a farking cop's mirror, is that a crime, is it? Holy shiat man, you're sooo farking high, man, holy fark, you're going to prison, man!


I could read more like this. A lot more.
 
2012-06-28 09:39:02 AM

Confabulat: tenpoundsofcheese: Asa Phelps: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

If it has no medical benefits, wtf is Marinol?

according to norml, marinol provides limited relief to only select patients.

I've been smoking weed almost daily since I was about 15 years old, and I'm in my 40s. It's one of the best things that has ever happened to me. It's something I look forward to and enjoy immensely. It gives me excellent peace of mind and helps my appetite (I don't eat much and it's hard for me to stay about 130 pounds without it). Also, having to find weed results in social activity. I've met many amazing people over the decades in my quest for good ganja, and some of them have become life-long friends.

In short, my personal experience with marijuana has been an overwhelming positive one. Your results may vary, but I KNOW that's been a wonderful addition to my life.

So shove your whiny "pot is bad" shtick. No one is forcing you to smoke it.


So, uh, want to hang out this weekend?
 
2012-06-28 10:34:05 AM

belhade: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

Check out the pot moobs in my PIP!


Those are some magnificent Chronic Tatas, sir.
 
2012-06-28 10:49:21 AM
maybe the VICTIM was high on bath salts and the zombie guy really really wanted some.. no matter what
 
2012-06-28 11:40:42 AM
As the article points out and most intelligent people know, you have to test for each and every substance in the blood. All the article says is for the ones they tested for, none appeared except for marijuana.

The article points out that there are many new and unusual drugs, many quite dangerous and with poorly understood results, and that many substances can disappear from the body in very short order, so wouldn't have been picked up on any test at all.

Having been involved with marijuana and other illegal drugs for many decades, its extremely unlikely in my opinion that it had anything at all to do with this crime. Of course, some strange unusual trigger could have happened, and rocks may also fall from the sky and hit all of us in the head. Plausible, but unlikely.

Of course, it couldn't have anything at all to do with the trillion dollar war on drugs machine wanting to make sure everyone thinks the most harmless intoxicant on earth is even remotely dangerous. I had enough of that crap in the 70's listening to my relatives talking about how kids get "hopped up on pot and rob banks or kill people". Eh heh.
 
2012-06-28 12:14:16 PM

ZipSplat: Or, as one of my idiot fundie psychotic acquaintances on Facebook put it...


What the actual fark, man?
 
2012-06-28 12:31:30 PM

Jamdug!: FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.


I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure a person's metabolism slows down somewhat after receiving a fatal gunshot to the head.
 
2012-06-28 12:31:35 PM

BronyMedic: davidphogan: He never said it. An unnamed cop did. Because bath salts are scary, and we should be scared. Mental illness couldn't have anything to do with this.

Pseudo-amphetamine "Bath Salts", and synthetic cannabinoids designed to research receptors in animal models and not used on humans until some enterprising young amature chemist found a market for them - like Spice and k2, ARE scary.

You should be scared of them.

And you're the biggest idiot this side of a DARE Cop if you take them.


As someone who enjoys dabbling in the odd narcotic I must say. This new generation of stuff scares the ever loving hell out of me. See I like to stick to the naturals, or at least something I've researched or am already very familiar with(such as MDMA or LSD). These synthetics though, they have an absurd amount of unknown side effects that I would rather not risk. After watching videos of people on bath salts, encountering numerous people who I can only assume were using bath salts who made me extremely uncomfortable to be around(even in an altered state myself), and having been offered bath salts by people who can only be described as tweakers. I wont touch them.

I tried that spice stuff when it first came about. I mean it was legal, supposedly a lot like pot, and extremely cheap/easy to find. So why not? One bowl of that stuff and I had the single most intense headache I've ever had in my life. The high wasn't even worth it, it lasted like 30 minutes tops. So, at the suggestion of a friend, I got my hands on what was considered to be higher quality spice. Same reaction, massive headache with a short high. Not long after that kids in my area were going to the hospital in droves for all manner of respiratory issues, some even died in my area from it. After that I took every piece of spice I could find in my house and threw that shiat away. Wasn't even worth trying to dump off on a friend, even for free. I wouldn't wish that kind of misery on the people I love, especially when I've already got the best real herb connections in town.

Now enter this bath salts shiat. Not only are there still a ton of unknowns in regards to what it does, and even what's in it these days. It truly does seem responsible for a multitude of psychotic episodes. I know other drugs induce similar reactions in some people, but the sheer amount I've seen on bath salts is astounding. Hell I was at a music festival over the weekend and started talking to the volunteers running the event. Within the first 24 hours they had over 50 people show up to the EMT tent for issues related to bath salt consumption. That was almost TRIPLE the amount of people that went in for issues related to other substances. You would think, at a techno festival like this one(www.estheticevolution.com), the reports for issues related to MDMA would be through the roof. That stuff is widely available at events like this, and causes your body to have difficulty regulating it's own temperature. Which, when combined with the 95+ degree heat we had at this outdoor event, you would think would be sending people into heat exhaustion left and right. Yet the number paled in comparison to the bath salts reports. The issues with bath salts were so bad that even the staff began treating it as a running joke. See someone whacked out of their mind? Bath salts. Oh that guy over there is talking to himself in a really odd manner? Totally bath salts.

Not to mention the reports that came out of EDC just a couple weeks ago. If you've never heard of them there is a group called Dance Safe that sells ecstasy testing kits. These kits are designed to be easily transported in your pocket, and quick to tell you what's in your ecstasy(since the pills are tough to gauge and many times are not MDMA). Multiple people reported testing what they were told was pure MDMA with the dance safe kits, only for the test to come back positive for MDVP the active ingredient in most forms of bath salts.

So dealers are now trying to pass off this bath salts shiat as pure MDMA. Which is actually, if you remember a headline posted in the geek section about a week ago, a substance found to be perfectly safe for adults to consume. Personally, I don't get the appeal of these new synthetics. The high they produce, in my opinion, pales in comparison to the original substances(pot, mdma, etc). Some say the high is more intense which is why they do them, but why? It may be more intense, but it lasts a fraction of the time and carries a FAR higher risk than other drugs that are already widely available.

Kids these days are increasingly stupid, and I wish this trend of new, mostly untested/unknown, designer drugs would just die off already. I've always been of the belief that MOST narcotics should be treated like alcohol(which is more dangerous than most). What people want to do on their own time is their own business, and so long as their actions don't affect another individuals life then they have broken no law. Yet I will never say obviously dangerous junk like crystal meth and bath salts should be legalized. Substances like that truly destroy peoples lives. However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

And you haven't even begun to dive into the definition of a schedule 1 drug. How do you classify something as having "no legitimate medical use" when marijuana is proven to inhibit cancer cell growth, as well as having numerous other benefits. MDMA is one of the most powerful anti-depressants/anti-anxiety substances ever created, yet psychiatric science is completely unable to research what could be done with it. New research is also suggestion medicinal benefits to LSD and psilocybin. In reality, the justifications for their current legal status are flimsy at best. Yet the DEA/Feds continue to parade studies that have been proven to be based on faulty research as concrete fact. Thus duping most of the public into believing that dropping acid once turns you into some crazy psycho. Or that MDMA puts holes in your brain(hint: it doesn't...).

/drug rant off
 
2012-06-28 12:39:19 PM

caramba421: Jamdug!: FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure a person's metabolism slows down somewhat after receiving a fatal gunshot to the head.


The ingredients they use to make the compound change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them. They know what's in the currently known forms of bath salts. Doesn't mean zombie man didn't get his hands on some new stuff that uses a new formula they haven't seen before.

Which kind of makes sense. I mean all these cannibalistic, supposedly bath salts related, crimes pretty much kicked up around the same time. Maybe something new hit the street their test doesn't look for?
 
2012-06-28 12:45:30 PM
Perhaps a case of Munchfacen syndrome? Or thinking the Atkins diet consisted of eating Atkins?
 
2012-06-28 01:08:47 PM

Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.


I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...
 
2012-06-28 01:10:05 PM

Strategeryz0r: there is a group called Dance Safe that sells ecstasy testing kits


Wooooooo DanceSafe! I used to work for them and a couple of other ecstasy harm-reduction groups back in my heady raver days. We'd actually have booths or tables set up at parties and do pill testing for people right there. Take a little scraping, apply your reagents, and voila. Promoters and security were usually hunky dory with it, because everyone already knew there were pills floating around, and it's much better to have a group openly testing them than to have your ravers dying from DXM, PMA, or piperazine. Those were good times, and I think we really did a lot of good. Probably saved some lives.

I'm with you on pretty much everything else you said as well, though I won't even touch synthetics like MDMA or LSD anymore. Nature seems, with rare exception, to be able to manufacture drugs with a much better LD50 than man. Need to trip? Grab some shrooms and make a tea. Need a deeply moving entheogenic experience? Brew some ayahuasca.

It actually seems to me that the more we process a plant, the worse we tend to fark it up. I'm all for some bubble hash, but when you begin using butane as a solvent to make oil, you're leaving all sorts of nasty toxic shiat in. Coca leaves are plenty of fun to chew on, but add some solvents and you've got cocaine, which is a zillion times deadlier.

We need a new rule: if it is just a plant, it is okay to use. But when you start altering it through chemical processes, that's where we start to draw the line. Anything highly processed or synthetic should be administered and monitored by a medical professional.
 
2012-06-28 01:12:01 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...


Let me guess, she thought she was an orange and was terrified of being peeled and eaten? Or drank like juice?
 
2012-06-28 01:13:27 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...


I guess I should modify my statement lol. Take a lot all at once, of anything really, is a bad idea. Aside from obvious overdose risks the mind can only handle so much. Moderation is a must when dealing with this stuff. I was referring more to people who indulge in recreational use, and with some consistency. I've personally never heard of LSD/Mushroom/MDMA/Pot addiction. One documentary on MDMA I watched was showing footage from the original DEA study that tried claiming MDMA puts holes in your brain. They found what they called an "ecstasy addict" who agreed to be a part of the test.

What they neglected to say, and this was determined with an independent follow up interview with said subject, is that she was actually addicted to crystal meth but indulged in mdma use on a recreational basis. That's the only time I have ever seen any study/show/person try to claim someone was addicted to MDMA.
 
2012-06-28 01:21:08 PM
I'm with you on pretty much everything else you said as well, though I won't even touch synthetics like MDMA or LSD anymore. Nature seems, with rare exception, to be able to manufacture drugs with a much better LD50 than man. Need to trip? Grab some shrooms and make a tea. Need a deeply moving entheogenic experience? Brew some ayahuasca.

It actually seems to me that the more we process a plant, the worse we tend to fark it up. I'm all for some bubble hash, but when you begin using butane as a solvent to make oil, you're leaving all sorts of nasty toxic shiat in. Coca leaves are plenty of fun to chew on, but add some solvents and you've got cocaine, which is a zillion times deadlier.

We need a new rule: if it is just a plant, it is okay to use. But when you start altering it through chemical processes, that's where we start to draw the line. Anything highly processed or synthetic should be administered and monitored by a medical professional.



I know cops and EMTs loved you guys when you setup booths at a few parties I went to. They pretty much adopted the mindset of "people are going to do this anyway. It's better to have some form of self safety regulation than let it be the wild west out there."

Personally I like LSD over shrooms because shrooms gave me one too many bad trips. Something LSD has never done. MDMA literally changed my life, and I have never had a single bad experience with it nor have I found anything that compares to it in my mind. Always open to new ideas though haha.
 
2012-06-28 01:24:34 PM
Our bodies produce cannabinoids.

Why does our body hate America?
 
2012-06-28 01:29:11 PM

radarlove: Strategeryz0r:
I'm with you on pretty much everything else you said as well, though I won't even touch synthetics like MDMA or LSD anymore. Nature seems, with rare exception, to be able to manufacture drugs with a much better LD50 than man. Need to trip? Grab some shrooms and make a tea. Need a deeply moving entheogenic experience? Brew some ayahuasca.

It actually seems to me that the more we process a plant, the worse we tend to fark it up. I'm all for some bubble hash, but when you begin using butane as a solvent to make oil, you're leaving all sorts of nasty toxic shiat in. Coca leaves are plenty of fun to chew on, but add some solvents and you've got cocaine, which is a zillion times deadlier.

We need a new rule: if it is just a plant, it is okay to use. But when you start altering it through chemical processes, that's where we start to draw the line. Anything highly processed or synthetic should be administered and monitored by a medical professional.


I completely disagree. While some chemists are more scrupulous than other chemists, product from a reliable and trustworthy chemist will tend to yield the same results with the same purity consistently. In nature, you might not know what you are getting. You have no idea the environmental factors that may have contributed to what is in that plant.

I personally have had two friends go to the hospital after eating less than an 1/8 of shrooms after becoming totally unresponsive. God only knows what was in those things other than psilocin. I have never seen anyone get hospitalized from LSD.

Ayahuasca? How do you know there wasn't just a poison dart frog crawling on that bark?

You know what else is natural? Cobra venom. Just because something occurs in nature doesn't mean that it's safe. I'm so sick of hearing, "oh yeah, it grew from the ground, man. It's waaay better."

Since when did the lack of qualitative analysis become a selling point?
 
2012-06-28 01:34:55 PM
Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world
 
2012-06-28 01:37:27 PM

caramba421: I completely disagree. While some chemists are more scrupulous than other chemists, product from a reliable and trustworthy chemist will tend to yield the same results with the same purity consistently. In nature, you might not know what you are getting. You have no idea the environmental factors that may have contributed to what is in that plant.

I personally have had two friends go to the hospital after eating less than an 1/8 of shrooms after becoming totally unresponsive. God only knows what was in those things other than psilocin. I have never seen anyone get hospitalized from LSD.

Ayahuasca? How do you know there wasn't just a poison dart frog crawling on that bark?

You know what else is natural? Cobra venom. Just because something occurs in nature doesn't mean that it's safe. I'm so sick of hearing, "oh yeah, it grew from the ground, man. It's waaay better."

Since when did the lack of qualitative analysis become a selling point?


Likewise an experienced mushroom picker knows how to identify mushrooms that wont cause you any problems. Just like a good pot dealer knows how to tell quality product.

It all comes down to the source you bought it from. I trust the guys I get stuff from almost without question, they know their shiat and have never steered me wrong. I would never buy something like mushrooms from someone I don't know or trust, too many unknowns in that equation.

The fact of the matter is, since it's illegal, you never know what the source of your substance is going to be. That's why you have to find good dealers/suppliers.

It's like buying meth from Walter White vs buying it from the guy who just made it in a water bottle in the walmart bathroom.

/not advocating meth use
//despises meth, the people who use it, and have never nor will ever touch the stuff myself.
 
2012-06-28 01:38:57 PM

maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world


Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.
 
2012-06-28 01:40:06 PM

caramba421: radarlove: Strategeryz0r:
I'm with you on pretty much everything else you said as well, though I won't even touch synthetics like MDMA or LSD anymore. Nature seems, with rare exception, to be able to manufacture drugs with a much better LD50 than man. Need to trip? Grab some shrooms and make a tea. Need a deeply moving entheogenic experience? Brew some ayahuasca.

It actually seems to me that the more we process a plant, the worse we tend to fark it up. I'm all for some bubble hash, but when you begin using butane as a solvent to make oil, you're leaving all sorts of nasty toxic shiat in. Coca leaves are plenty of fun to chew on, but add some solvents and you've got cocaine, which is a zillion times deadlier.

We need a new rule: if it is just a plant, it is okay to use. But when you start altering it through chemical processes, that's where we start to draw the line. Anything highly processed or synthetic should be administered and monitored by a medical professional.

I completely disagree. While some chemists are more scrupulous than other chemists, product from a reliable and trustworthy chemist will tend to yield the same results with the same purity consistently. In nature, you might not know what you are getting. You have no idea the environmental factors that may have contributed to what is in that plant.

I personally have had two friends go to the hospital after eating less than an 1/8 of shrooms after becoming totally unresponsive. God only knows what was in those things other than psilocin. I have never seen anyone get hospitalized from LSD.

Ayahuasca? How do you know there wasn't just a poison dart frog crawling on that bark?

You know what else is natural? Cobra venom. Just because something occurs in nature doesn't mean that it's safe. I'm so sick of hearing, "oh yeah, it grew from the ground, man. It's waaay better."

Since when did the lack of qualitative analysis become a selling point?


There are medicinal uses for venom.
http://science.education.nih.gov/animalresearch.nsf/Story1/Making+Med i cines+from+Poisonous+Snakes
 
2012-06-28 01:43:17 PM

Strategeryz0r: maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world

Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.


Booze comes from plants.
 
2012-06-28 01:56:36 PM

radarlove: Let me guess, she thought she was an orange and was terrified of being peeled and eaten? Or drank like juice?


No idea. I was decent friends with her older brother and he really couldn't talk about it. Blamed himself for introducing her ... it was "here's the facts, I'm gonna go drop off the face of the earth now"

Last time I heard anything about the family was from his ex-girlfriend, with whom he still kept in contact with. Still breaks my heart.
 
2012-06-28 02:00:36 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world

Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.

Booze comes from plants.


I know, it was a joke.
 
2012-06-28 02:07:56 PM

Strategeryz0r: StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world

Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.

Booze comes from plants.

I know, it was a joke.


No, I know, it was a joke.
 
2012-06-28 02:11:02 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world

Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.

Booze comes from plants.

I know, it was a joke.

No, I know, it was a joke.


No, I know you know, it was a joke.
 
2012-06-28 02:13:37 PM

Phineas: UsikFark: gund: If you take a leaf and sniff it, if it's pot, you will smell it.

Then you think "Do I feel high?" You think about that until someone walks by, and you wonder if you said it out loud. You have to maintain, now, get where it's safe. You walk towards the intersection, trying to remember if a normal human step size is 1.5 sidewalk squares or 2, then you're on a driveway and it's like 10 feet without cracks, so you just look down and try not to make eye contact with the people on the road, they're watching you, man. You get to the intersection and look for the button, it must be an automatic crosswalk because you can't find it. You wait, and it says stop, you wait like forever, and cars are stopping, waving you past, and you turn away for a moment, pretending to check your pockets... Then you see it's a stop sign, so after the first car there, you can walk... or is that just for cars? Dammit, if you had your car, this would be easier, you know how to drive past a stopsign, but walking, you can't remember. You turn right and try to find an easier intersection to cross, one without so many cars, signs, and open space. You adopt sort of a bouncy, jaunty strut, it's a sunny day so you're supposed to be happy, right? You see some old woman, and tell her you got a hot lady waiting and give her a smile but maybe you smiled wrong because she's staring at you and you need to check a mirror but you don't carry one. What if your face is all wrong, and you're smiling with a frown now? Wait. A car mirror, there's mirrors on all the parked cars! You walk over all casual, but it's too low. You bend down and your face is all pinched, man, maybe the mirror is bent. You reach out to touch it, and when you take your hand away you see someone STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU! Holy shiat, it's a cop, you were looking in a farking cop's mirror, is that a crime, is it? Holy shiat man, you're sooo farking high, man, holy fark, you're going to prison, man!

I could read more like this. ...


Yeah, life has been slow on the book deal :)
 
2012-06-28 02:18:27 PM

Strategeryz0r: StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: StoPPeRmobile: Strategeryz0r: maliklockett: Wasn't this how they justified outlawing Absinthe?

One or two incidents and the stuff becomes the most dangerous substance in the world

Difference: After several clinical studies showing absinthe to be perfectly safe.. They reversed the ban. Albeit with certain limitations in place if I recall.

After several studies showing pot, for example, as more or less harmless in the long term and as having numerous medicinal benefits. It remains on the sched 1 list.

America: Don't touch our booze, but feel free to ban a plant.

Booze comes from plants.

I know, it was a joke.

No, I know, it was a joke.

No, I know you know, it was a joke.


cdn.head-fi.org
 
2012-06-28 02:21:59 PM
Reading comprehension; what is it? How does it work?

Of the things they tested for, only marijuana showed up. He was clearly on something they do not test for.
 
2012-06-28 02:25:10 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.


0/10
your trolling has been noted.

/carry on.
 
2012-06-28 03:16:35 PM
Interesting. Just a good ole case of reefer madness. Go ahead you dirty hippies; tell me again how marijuana is harmless.
 
2012-06-28 03:44:09 PM

Generation_D: So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?


I'm not saying that the examiner is lying all I'm saying is that this sounds like a textbook bad PCP reaction.

/I guess he's just really bad at his job.
 
2012-06-28 03:47:19 PM
Provolone? Really?

;)
 
2012-06-28 03:52:00 PM

Voiceofreason01: Generation_D: So are you all saying the medical examiner was lying?

I'm not saying that the examiner is lying all I'm saying is that this sounds like a textbook bad PCP reaction.

/I guess he's just really bad at his job.


1 word: Florida
 
2012-06-28 03:57:02 PM

bugmn99: belhade: tenpoundsofcheese: well, it makes you paranoid, has no medicinal benefits according to the FDA and gives you moobs and the munchies, so no surprise here.

Check out the pot moobs in my PIP!

Put down the baby, Panama Red.


Where do you think my baby-back ribs come from? OM NOM NOM
 
2012-06-28 04:50:25 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...


Yeah, I met a kid in college who had gone bye bye after a heavy night of LDS use. I don't know if he ever recovered, but when I ran across him it was pretty clear that a stint inpatient somewhere was in his future as soon as his parents figured out that he wasn't just ditching their phone calls. He had lost touch with any sort of reality.
 
2012-06-28 05:01:51 PM

namegoeshere: CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...

Yeah, I met a kid in college who had gone bye bye after a heavy night of LDS use. I don't know if he ever recovered, but when I ran across him it was pretty clear that a stint inpatient somewhere was in his future as soon as his parents figured out that he wasn't just ditching their phone calls. He had lost touch with any sort of reality.


Mormons aren't sane but they are nice.
 
2012-06-28 05:05:32 PM

caramba421: I personally have had two friends go to the hospital after eating less than an 1/8 of shrooms after becoming totally unresponsive. God only knows what was in those things other than psilocin.


The only kind of known mushroom poisoning that resembles this account is the 'swoon' sometimes associated with Amanita muscaria. However, you'd have to eat a lot of it, you'd get really sick for quite some time first, and nobody would ever confuse that mushroom with Psilocybe (one is small and brown, and the other is large and looks like a mario mushroom). On the other hand, it is hallucinogenic.

The good news is that people usually spontaneously recover from the unresponsive period without permanent damage.
 
2012-06-28 05:06:00 PM

StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...

Yeah, I met a kid in college who had gone bye bye after a heavy night of LDS use. I don't know if he ever recovered, but when I ran across him it was pretty clear that a stint inpatient somewhere was in his future as soon as his parents figured out that he wasn't just ditching their phone calls. He had lost touch with any sort of reality.

Mormons aren't sane but they are nice.


What you did there.. I see it...


And I approve.

I like you.
 
2012-06-28 05:46:34 PM

StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...

Yeah, I met a kid in college who had gone bye bye after a heavy night of LDS use. I don't know if he ever recovered, but when I ran across him it was pretty clear that a stint inpatient somewhere was in his future as soon as his parents figured out that he wasn't just ditching their phone calls. He had lost touch with any sort of reality.

Mormons aren't sane but they are nice.


Lol, I might be slightly dysxelic....
 
2012-06-28 06:11:46 PM

Mitrovarr: caramba421: I personally have had two friends go to the hospital after eating less than an 1/8 of shrooms after becoming totally unresponsive. God only knows what was in those things other than psilocin.

The only kind of known mushroom poisoning that resembles this account is the 'swoon' sometimes associated with Amanita muscaria. However, you'd have to eat a lot of it, you'd get really sick for quite some time first, and nobody would ever confuse that mushroom with Psilocybe (one is small and brown, and the other is large and looks like a mario mushroom). On the other hand, it is hallucinogenic.

The good news is that people usually spontaneously recover from the unresponsive period without permanent damage.


No, they were normal cubensis. I split the bag with him. They looked fine. Just because a specific species of mushrooms doesn't normally produce a given toxin, doesn't mean that it can't absorb whatever other toxins from the environment.

What you're saying is like saying that you can't get sick off of shellfish because it is not fugu.
 
2012-06-28 07:12:00 PM

dready zim: Ihaveanevilparrot: I can have drastically different experiences depending on where I got it from.

Ihaveanevilparrot: .my mom is actually schizophrenic

Ihaveanevilparrot: I just avoid pot altogether at this point.

Ihaveanevilparrot: I know when my mom smokes it she starts saying and doing weird things that her meds normally keep under control.

There are always clues whether you should do pot if you look.


You do realize that children usually don't have schizophrenia, or symptoms of such just because their parent is, right? Nor does it necessarily relate to the child having inherited mental disorders. The main cause of mental disorders in children of schizophrenics is due to environmental factors due to their parent's behavior. Such as anxiety or panic disorder. Again, these issues are mainly environmental related, since children of schizophrenics that are not raised by those parents (such as adopted children) don't develop such disorders on a consistent basis.
While studies do show a slightly elevated risk of developing schizophrenia if a parent has it, it is still not common (below 10%, as opposed to one percent of the general population). The risk only goes up drastically if BOTH parents are schizophrenic (my dad is not, nor is there history of such in his family). And in most cases, children will show many pre-episode symptoms by the time they reach adulthood. I've never had symptoms of a person that will develop schizophrenia, and psychologists and psychiatrists have stated that it is VERY unlikely I will ever show such symptoms. I am 27 years old, far past the age when most schizophrenics generally become obvious to a doctor that knows what to look for.

Many children of schizophrenic parents consume pot without ill consequences, and for many people that have panic disorder or anxiety disorder pot is actually has positive effects that alleviate those symptoms, rather than negative. In fact, when I first started doing it, I was one of these people.
Also, as stated, I don't always react the same way, which I would guess depends on the strain (Since it's always related to a new batch. A batch that doesn't make me freak out will not do so no matter how many times I consume it.) , and the massive freakout thing is rare, but severe enough to completely avoid it altogether. If I had a source that would allow me to know I'm getting the same strain with the same levels of thc and cannibinol every time, I'm guessing it likely wouldn't be an issue at all.

The point you were trying to make is based on a lack of knowledge of certain psychological disorders and the genetics related to such.
 
2012-06-28 09:38:19 PM

namegoeshere: StoPPeRmobile: namegoeshere: CapeFearCadaver: Strategeryz0r: However, I have never encountered a single person in my various travels who has had their life crushed by marijuana, MDMA, LSD, or mushroom addiction.

I actually did know a girl in high school whose life was wrecked by LSD; she was a teeny-tiny little thing (think Kira from The Dark Crystal) and dropped waaaay too many hits all at once, over 20 IIRC. Last I heard she was still in the mental hospital in perpetual lalaland, from 1996.

Agree with practically everything you said; though, I've only ever partook of the naturals...

Yeah, I met a kid in college who had gone bye bye after a heavy night of LDS use. I don't know if he ever recovered, but when I ran across him it was pretty clear that a stint inpatient somewhere was in his future as soon as his parents figured out that he wasn't just ditching their phone calls. He had lost touch with any sort of reality.

Mormons aren't sane but they are nice.

Lol, I might be slightly dysxelic....


Or, you might be from the future...

neatnik2009.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-28 09:39:13 PM
I've smoked boatloads of weed, and I have yet to chew anyone's face off.
/xombiez
 
2012-06-28 11:42:21 PM

Favoritemonster: I've smoked boatloads of weed, and I have yet to chew anyone's face off.
/xombiez


And I've drank tons of beer yet never beat my spouse, drove drunk or been on Cops with my shirt off. Yet there are people for whom the opposite is true. So far every article I've read on this hasn't said this guy was a Choir boy/pillar of the community who had just come back from visiting sick orphans with diseases and really big eyes to give them all puppies, then had one sniff of the demon weed and started faceeating. He had some mental conditions, paranoia etc, which in his case were affected by the weed, causing face eating. Marijuana didn't CAUSE this, but he was affected by marijuana in a very uncommon way.
 
2012-06-29 12:00:22 AM

Disgruntled Dave: Favoritemonster: I've smoked boatloads of weed, and I have yet to chew anyone's face off.
/xombiez

And I've drank tons of beer yet never beat my spouse, drove drunk or been on Cops with my shirt off. Yet there are people for whom the opposite is true. So far every article I've read on this hasn't said this guy was a Choir boy/pillar of the community who had just come back from visiting sick orphans with diseases and really big eyes to give them all puppies, then had one sniff of the demon weed and started faceeating. He had some mental conditions, paranoia etc, which in his case were affected by the weed, causing face eating. Marijuana didn't CAUSE this, but he was affected by marijuana in a very uncommon way.


Possibly, but just because marijuana was in his system doesn't mean that it was in any way a causative agent. It's just as possible that he would have ate someone's face even if he didn't smoke weed beforehand, and it is very well likely we will never know what really set him off, except people will always find a way to blame things they don't like regardless.

Also I should point out that people who know they are having mental problems often try to self-medicate. It may be that in fact he was smoking weed as a way to control the voices in his head that were starting to tell him to eat someone's face.
 
2012-06-30 01:31:52 PM

Strategeryz0r: caramba421: Jamdug!: FTA:

"The much-anticipated toxicology report released by Miami-Dade Medical Examiner Dr. Bruce Hyma found marijuana in Eugene's system, something CBS4 News had previously reported, but no evidence of any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs, or any adulterants found in street drugs."

The psychoactive ingredients that make up 'Bath salts' change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them.

I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure a person's metabolism slows down somewhat after receiving a fatal gunshot to the head.

The ingredients they use to make the compound change at such a rapid pace there is virtually no way of testing for them. They know what's in the currently known forms of bath salts. Doesn't mean zombie man didn't get his hands on some new stuff that uses a new formula they haven't seen before.

Which kind of makes sense. I mean all these cannibalistic, supposedly bath salts related, crimes pretty much kicked up around the same time. Maybe something new hit the street their test doesn't look for?


Yeah exactly. The street chemists change the ingredients so rapidly that once a test is made for one variation, it's already been altered several times.
 
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