Define attempted.


And frankly, it's a good place for them! Pack them in there with a fleet of women who are trained to defend themselves.

Well that's disturbing.

So, 7.5% of the general population is a sexual predator? Citation needed, but that's a bit scary.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And frankly, it's a good place for them! Pack them in there with a fleet of women who are trained to defend themselves.

Have you seen Navy basic training lately?

This is what happens when you let gays in the military. We tried to tell you people all along, and you wouldn't listen.

vartian: Have you seen Navy basic training lately?

They should have a few Marines aboard

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Define attempted.


And frankly, it's a good place for them! Pack them in there with a fleet of women who are trained to defend themselves.

Yah becuase military women NEVER get successfully raped.

Idiot.

Earguy: So, 7.5% of the general population is a sexual predator? Citation needed, but that's a bit scary.

Attempted rape does not a sexual predator make. Considering the number of "I was drunk so our sex was rape" cases that come out of colleges every year, I'd say the percentage is just about right, and also say that a much smaller percentage are actually rapists and predators.

I mean... It's the Navy. It's like prison at sea, only with women around. Is this all that surprising?

Earguy: So, 7.5% of the general population is a sexual predator? Citation needed, but that's a bit scary.

7.5% that we know about, anyway

JewelsMC: Not sure that's what the Army meant by "Be all you can be".

They don't call 'em "grunts" for nothin!

Rape and sexual assault in the military is way more common than most people think. I am sure there will be the typical Fark naysayers who think that every rape victim is a scam artist. The number of women I know who have been assaulted and/or raped when they were in the military is astounding.

The population is largely made of young, inexperienced people going into the military for reasons that largely don't mesh with reality. It selects for more aggressive individuals in a lot of cases and the command structure allows sexual predators to flourish and avoid punishment, as it is largely populated by the same types of males who stuck around to get promoted.

This is not a surprise, and it has been going on for quite some time.

The Envoy: If the study was done on incoming recruits prior to entering the military then they are civilians at that point. What's the differentiator between them and the "equivalent civilian population"?

The military seems to attract and concentrate them in one organization or another?

iaazathot: Rape and sexual assault in the military is way more common than most people think. I am sure there will be the typical Fark naysayers who think that every rape victim is a scam artist. The number of women I know who have been assaulted and/or raped when they were in the military is astounding.

The population is largely made of young, inexperienced people going into the military for reasons that largely don't mesh with reality. It selects for more aggressive individuals in a lot of cases and the command structure allows sexual predators to flourish and avoid punishment, as it is largely populated by the same types of males who stuck around to get promoted.

This is not a surprise, and it has been going on for quite some time.

Let me also say that female on female sexual assault is also present, for some of the same reasons, but it is much less prevalent than male on female or male on male sexual assault (which also happens).

liverleef: After the abu ghraib prison torture scandal I asked a friend of mine who had been in the military many years how something like this could happen. He asked if I remembered the types of guys who joined the military after high school rather than going to college. Then he asked me to imagine a whole bunch of them trying to operate a prison.

Bingo! Aaaannnnddd, then they move onto command, yay!

RibbyK: Ambivalence: Yah becuase military women NEVER get successfully raped.

I ain't never seen "rape" and "success" collide in the same sentence.

The initial implication was to go ahead and let them in. If they try anything, those military women'll beat them down. Women are raped in the miltary a lot more than you think. We don't need more rapists in the military.

iaazathot: Rape and sexual assault in the military is way more common than most people think. I am sure there will be the typical Fark naysayers who think that every rape victim is a scam artist. The number of women I know who have been assaulted and/or raped when they were in the military is astounding.

The population is largely made of young, inexperienced people going into the military for reasons that largely don't mesh with reality. It selects for more aggressive individuals in a lot of cases and the command structure allows sexual predators to flourish and avoid punishment, as it is largely populated by the same types of males who stuck around to get promoted.

This is not a surprise, and it has been going on for quite some time.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but the military definitely has serious problems with rape and sexual harassment. I remember the Cheif in charge of sexual harassment on my ship was the worst public offender of it. He was constantly flirting with E1's-E5's, giving special favors, etc.. It was ridiculous. And that is my biggest problem with being in the military; a lot of asshole get promoted to where they do whatever the hell the way want with almost no consequences.

dfenstrate: It's not gay (rape) if it's underway. Old Navy saying.
"Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash." - Winston Churchill

"Shake for me girl. I wanna be your back-door man". - Richard Milhous Nixon

The Envoy: iaazathot: The Envoy: If the study was done on incoming recruits prior to entering the military then they are civilians at that point. What's the differentiator between them and the "equivalent civilian population"?

The military seems to attract and concentrate them in one organization or another?

It's odd, don't you think? I'd be interested if someone could explain the attraction. Of course, I'll think they're probably a rapist afterwards.

Studies on sexual predators in prison, particularly male serial rapists have shown the following traits:

1. Rigid gender role beliefs
2. Strong homophobic tendencies
3. Belief that masturbation is wrong/homosexual behavior
4. Linkage of sexual gratification and aggression (no sex=justifiable aggression, I have seen this in action and specifically verbalized by young men, "I don't get sex, I get mean..."
5. Degradation of women and female roles in society

Gee, does that sound familiar? It sounds A LOT like what gets indoctrinated into male soldiers.

Now, that doesn't mean that all soldiers, airmen, seamen (huh, huh, huh), or Marines are rapists. It does mean that the environment might appeal to them or attract them or reinforce such behavior in those who have a predication towards sexual assault and rape.

Furthermore, some rapes are the result of poor choices on both sides and we need to address that pendulum swing, now that, to some degree, greater society is at least a bit more aware of the problem. This does not discount the presence of a pervasive atmosphere in our military that promotes sexual assault on women (and to a lesser degree some men).

It is a big complicated world, and these issues are hard to discuss rationally due to the taboo nature, the fact that our society would rather look the other way, and a resistant culture within such organizations.

"A female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire"

Don't get pregnant if you're raped.

"The only thing the guys let you be if you're a girl in the military is a biatch, a ho, or a dyke. You're a biatch if you won't sleep with them, a ho if you even have one boyfriend, and a dyke if they don't like you. So you can't win."

Solution: Castrate all the rapists.