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(Reason Magazine)   NY Times columnist thinks Americans are not submissive enough to authority. No. No we haven't. We've been a bad country. *Very bad.* We need a spanking. A hard spanking   (reason.com) divider line 24
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2012-06-27 07:45:05 PM
3 votes:
My HS biology teacher had a very interesting (and somewhat subversive) quote at the front of the classroom: "Always question authority, but respect it."

Just because a leader tells me something does not mean that I should follow it without question. We've had some very horrific things happen within our lifetimes because of people's reluctance to question their leaders.

FTA: "We have to relearn the art of following,"

I know the meaning that the original author of that statement meant, but it can also be turned upside down. We do need to relearn how to follow. We need to learn how to stand behind the right sort of leader. Many of the leaders in our corporate world are narcissists or sociopaths. Our representatives in government often aren't much better. Those sorts of people shouldn't be followed. So we as a people need to reform the way these people become leaders, as well as changing the culture and image of what it means to be a leader.
2012-06-27 10:17:19 PM
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: Fark Me To Tears: It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea.

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What "sets America apart" is that we fell into line and obeyed authority during WWII. You didn't see people at home boo-hooing the war effort, everyone was eating up the government's propaganda and doing what needed to be done. We were on the winning side and didn't have to fight on our own territory, meaning that we were primed for decades of dominance which we still haven't relinquished despite our best efforts to shoot ourselves in the foot. America is a nation of backwards, greedy, and angry people who act like bullies to make up for their own insecurities. The only thing that sets us apart these days is our military might. In the great grand scheme of things, we're but a blip.


What sets America apart from the rest of the world is two oceans and a strait.
2012-06-27 09:11:40 PM
2 votes:
Came to say this country was founded on not being submissive to authority.
2012-06-27 08:55:47 PM
2 votes:
In anticipation of America getting poorer, the wealthy are buying the government so that society is reorganized to ensure that loss of wealth only affects those who cannot afford to buy government.

As this proceeds, it becomes inconvenient for the masses to feel entitled to freedom and self-determination, or to expect government to be responsive to their rights and needs. We need to be conditioned to accept powerlessness.

The people at the top see life as a game in its final season and they're ready to move on to the playoffs. That means it's time to eliminate everyone else from the game.
2012-06-27 07:41:41 PM
2 votes:

dookdookdook: Anyone post this yet? No?

Everyone should read this: The Authoritarians


Yes! That's immediately what I thought of when I read the headline. Though TFA and that book disagree a little on what constitutes authoritarianism. TFA seems to think that the Tea Party is anti-authoritarian, when they're really just anti-Democratic Party authority and would probably be more than happy with right-wing authoritarianism (in both the political and in the sense used in the book).

I'm also currently reading The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo, who has a lot to say about undue submission to authority being a key component in allowing otherwise good people to do evil things.
2012-06-27 07:25:54 PM
2 votes:
My sister, who is very much about "the rules" gets all in a twist when she hears me tell my kids "Wisdom is knowing which rules to break."

It makes me laugh.
2012-06-27 04:52:13 PM
2 votes:
www.prisonersofthecensus.org
2012-06-28 09:05:04 AM
1 votes:
The ruling class and their pawns aren't rich and powerful because they are superior human beings. They're rich and powerful because our society is so broken that it rewards sociopathic behavior. They deserve nothing but contempt.
2012-06-28 04:03:12 AM
1 votes:
Again with the straw man. See the trick to argumentation is that you're supposed to address an actual point of contention not simply assign a bunch of undesirable characteristics on an opponent. Thus thinking you've discredited them because you have falsely labeled them.

You've failed to make a cohesive point anywhere in your ramblings. I was giving you an out by suggesting you were merely drunk, which there is no shame in. However by not taking this out it leads me to believe you're sober and thus just naturally dull and boorish.
2012-06-27 11:45:47 PM
1 votes:
Then there is our fervent devotion to equality, to the notion that all people are equal and deserve equal recognition and respect. It's hard in this frame of mind to define and celebrate greatness, to hold up others who are immeasurably superior to ourselves.

It's pretty shocking that someone would unironically write this sentence in the goddamn 21st century.
2012-06-27 11:43:31 PM
1 votes:

farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.


Conservatives are demonstrably more authoritarian than liberals. Link They happen to only respect authority they think shares their ideology. They want a strong father figure as their president. When Mitt urges you to the polls, will you say "Proceeding Daddy!"?
2012-06-27 10:54:08 PM
1 votes:
Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.
2012-06-27 10:50:45 PM
1 votes:

ciderczar: What sets America apart is Tim Tebow. Praise be.


In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if Tim Tebow was president someday.
2012-06-27 10:39:56 PM
1 votes:
Cato institute? No thanks.
2012-06-27 10:01:20 PM
1 votes:
That means it's time to eliminate everyone else from the game.

they are outnumbered. the police and military, once they realize they're being played just as much as we are, will turn on them. is that too optimistic? Officer Jeeves, shoot that hippie for me! I don't think so.

/no more beer for me
2012-06-27 09:15:37 PM
1 votes:
Another batshiat article from Treason? They really are the WND of college dropouts who think they're intellectuals.
2012-06-27 09:06:01 PM
1 votes:
The Tea Party and libertarians are totally anti-authority.

That's why they want corporations the freedom to rule over you.
2012-06-27 08:30:24 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: The authoritarians aren't even bothering to hide it now, are they?


They haven't for a little while now. But they are getting louder and more insistent.
2012-06-27 08:04:00 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: trivial use of my dark powers: Wow. And here I was thinking we are entirely too submissive, bending over to take whatever the rich dish out while loudly proclaiming our independence.

Or maybe I've been watching too many Tea Party rallies.

Wow. And here I was thinking we are entirely too submissive, bending over to take whatever the government dishes out while loudly, and violently, proclaiming our independence.

Or maybe I've been watching too many OWS rallies.


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2012-06-27 08:00:49 PM
1 votes:

trivial use of my dark powers: Wow. And here I was thinking we are entirely too submissive, bending over to take whatever the rich dish out while loudly proclaiming our independence.

Or maybe I've been watching too many Tea Party rallies.


Wow. And here I was thinking we are entirely too submissive, bending over to take whatever the government dishes out while loudly, and violently, proclaiming our independence.

Or maybe I've been watching too many OWS rallies.
2012-06-27 07:50:47 PM
1 votes:
The author of this is all over the farking place. He's formulating opinions based on assumed opinions by asking himself questions.

Sir, you are not a philosopher or great diviner of truth. Drink 4 shots of bourbon and four beers. Wait 30 minutes. Write this article over from scratch. I'll bet it's more like what you really meant to say.
2012-06-27 07:21:03 PM
1 votes:
Make me feel like you're deserving of my submission, then we'll talk.
2012-06-27 06:33:24 PM
1 votes:
So that chart looks like it aligns perfectly with the creation of the DEA.
2012-06-27 04:55:19 PM
1 votes:
For some reason, I'm really distracted by the grammar issue in that headline.
 
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