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(Reason Magazine)   NY Times columnist thinks Americans are not submissive enough to authority. No. No we haven't. We've been a bad country. *Very bad.* We need a spanking. A hard spanking   (reason.com) divider line 151
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2012-06-27 09:13:26 PM  
Coming soon, 50 shades of patriotism?
 
2012-06-27 09:15:37 PM  
Another batshiat article from Treason? They really are the WND of college dropouts who think they're intellectuals.
 
2012-06-27 09:18:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Salt Lick Steady: A Dark Evil Omen: Please, Americans are terminally authoritarian. Many are just social dominance oriented: They object to authority that isn't them/ideologically acceptable to them.

Wow, what a terminally trite statement.

And yet true. What else can you say when the largest group of "anti-authoritarians" are fanatical about expanding the organs of state violence to unlimited extents? What about that says anything but "authoritarian as long as I'm in charge" to you?


How many people still plan on voting this year?
 
2012-06-27 09:21:05 PM  
we don't call them big government liberals for nothing.
 
2012-06-27 09:36:44 PM  
Bobo is usually wrong on whatever he talks about.
 
2012-06-27 09:44:27 PM  
I think Brooks is decrying an engineered rebellion against traditonal civil institutions. China tried something very similar with the Great Cultural Revolution.

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2012-06-27 09:46:05 PM  
FTFA: We live in a culture that finds it easier to assign moral status to victims of power than to those who wield power.... Then there is our fervent devotion to equality, to the notion that all people are equal and deserve equal recognition and respect.... But the main problem is our inability to think properly about how power should be used to bind and build.... Those "Question Authority" bumper stickers no longer symbolize an attempt to distinguish just and unjust authority. They symbolize an attitude of opposing authority.

It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea. Falling in line -- with the government, or even with a single political party -- can be a very dangerous thing.

Yes, this kind of attitude can create chaos, but when it comes to politics and power, a certain amount of chaos is generally better than complacency or outright conformance.
 
2012-06-27 09:50:08 PM  
yeah, F that guy. if he wants to gobble dicks in hell, he can be my guest. i'll be over here doing my own thing.


/dafuq did i just write
 
2012-06-27 10:01:20 PM  
That means it's time to eliminate everyone else from the game.

they are outnumbered. the police and military, once they realize they're being played just as much as we are, will turn on them. is that too optimistic? Officer Jeeves, shoot that hippie for me! I don't think so.

/no more beer for me
 
2012-06-27 10:07:00 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea.


s3.amazonaws.com

What "sets America apart" is that we fell into line and obeyed authority during WWII. You didn't see people at home boo-hooing the war effort, everyone was eating up the government's propaganda and doing what needed to be done. We were on the winning side and didn't have to fight on our own territory, meaning that we were primed for decades of dominance which we still haven't relinquished despite our best efforts to shoot ourselves in the foot. America is a nation of backwards, greedy, and angry people who act like bullies to make up for their own insecurities. The only thing that sets us apart these days is our military might. In the great grand scheme of things, we're but a blip.
 
2012-06-27 10:17:19 PM  

Shaggy_C: Fark Me To Tears: It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 400x400]

What "sets America apart" is that we fell into line and obeyed authority during WWII. You didn't see people at home boo-hooing the war effort, everyone was eating up the government's propaganda and doing what needed to be done. We were on the winning side and didn't have to fight on our own territory, meaning that we were primed for decades of dominance which we still haven't relinquished despite our best efforts to shoot ourselves in the foot. America is a nation of backwards, greedy, and angry people who act like bullies to make up for their own insecurities. The only thing that sets us apart these days is our military might. In the great grand scheme of things, we're but a blip.


What sets America apart from the rest of the world is two oceans and a strait.
 
2012-06-27 10:17:51 PM  
 
2012-06-27 10:39:56 PM  
Cato institute? No thanks.
 
2012-06-27 10:43:16 PM  

SlothB77: we don't call them big government liberals for nothing.


Well there actually are plenty of anti govt liberals out there, I'm not sure how the authoritarians took over the Democratic party.
 
2012-06-27 10:47:58 PM  

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Shaggy_C: Fark Me To Tears: It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 400x400]

What "sets America apart" is that we fell into line and obeyed authority during WWII. You didn't see people at home boo-hooing the war effort, everyone was eating up the government's propaganda and doing what needed to be done. We were on the winning side and didn't have to fight on our own territory, meaning that we were primed for decades of dominance which we still haven't relinquished despite our best efforts to shoot ourselves in the foot. America is a nation of backwards, greedy, and angry people who act like bullies to make up for their own insecurities. The only thing that sets us apart these days is our military might. In the great grand scheme of things, we're but a blip.

What sets America apart from the rest of the world is two oceans and a strait.


What sets America apart is Tim Tebow. Praise be.
 
2012-06-27 10:50:45 PM  

ciderczar: What sets America apart is Tim Tebow. Praise be.


In all seriousness, I wouldn't be surprised if Tim Tebow was president someday.
 
2012-06-27 10:51:52 PM  

SlothB77: we don't call them big government liberals for nothing.


The article isn't really about authority, it's about justice. And in any case, Brooks is one of the token conservatives on the NYT staff.
 
2012-06-27 10:54:08 PM  
Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.
 
2012-06-27 10:57:58 PM  
fark, I'm going out for a walk, and when I come back, this had better be a hot cop thread.

Or else, umm, I'll go jerk off to something else.
 
2012-06-27 10:58:26 PM  

MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.


Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.
 
2012-06-27 11:01:03 PM  

doglover: RexTalionis: Triumph: [www.cristyli.com image 400x283]
If you'd learn your place we wouldn't have to do this.

You know, the last time I went through TSA and was wanded/patted (as opposed to the millimeter-ray scans), it was a busty brunette chick who looked like she was just out of college.

I got Paul Blart.


I got a biatch who asked me for permission to do the pat down even as she was running her hands over my ass.
 
2012-06-27 11:04:19 PM  

farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.


www.angelasagelarsen.com
 
2012-06-27 11:09:22 PM  

farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.


Shouldn't you be playing under the bridge with randommotherf*cker? You can jerk each other off after you make your stupid and pointless comments.
 
2012-06-27 11:13:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: [www.prisonersofthecensus.org image 400x300]


I'd hardly call jailing those who would try to dominate us through violence submissive.

/blah blah non violent drug offenders blah blah blah
//pretty sure the correlation between "non violent" drug offenders and murderers and rapists is a lot closer to one than zero
 
2012-06-27 11:15:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You can jerk each other off after you make your stupid and pointless comments.


His comment wasn't pointless at all, Obama is no where close to as bad as Bush but he ain't mister peace and freedom.
 
2012-06-27 11:19:53 PM  
Any crotchrot that thinks we're too submissive should shiat their pants at our rallying cry.

HAYDUKE LIVES!

www.dreamgarden.com
 
2012-06-27 11:42:58 PM  
"Tell me I've been bad."

"Why... Yes... You've been... acting up a bit lately..."

"Oh I'm sorry."
 
2012-06-27 11:43:31 PM  

farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.


Conservatives are demonstrably more authoritarian than liberals. Link They happen to only respect authority they think shares their ideology. They want a strong father figure as their president. When Mitt urges you to the polls, will you say "Proceeding Daddy!"?
 
2012-06-27 11:45:47 PM  
Then there is our fervent devotion to equality, to the notion that all people are equal and deserve equal recognition and respect. It's hard in this frame of mind to define and celebrate greatness, to hold up others who are immeasurably superior to ourselves.

It's pretty shocking that someone would unironically write this sentence in the goddamn 21st century.
 
2012-06-27 11:45:57 PM  

beta_plus: pretty sure the correlation between "non violent" drug offenders and murderers and rapists is a lot closer to one than zero


well, as long as you're "pretty sure" of it! who needs any kind of evidence when you're a reactionary cocknozzle?
 
2012-06-28 12:07:49 AM  

Lobo2010: Came to say this country was founded on not being submissive to authority certain very specific authorities, but other authorities were A-OK.


Fixed for historical accuracy.
 
2012-06-28 12:09:20 AM  

Need_MindBleach: It's pretty shocking that someone would unironically write this sentence in the goddamn 21st century.


You could say it's a triumph *puts on sunglasses* of the will.....yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
 
2012-06-28 12:31:22 AM  
Why a picture of Superman in the article? He's half Canadian
And Metropolis was inspired by Toronto. The Daily Planet was inspired by the Toronto Star
http://www.comicbooked.com/superman-is-half-canadian/
 
2012-06-28 12:35:31 AM  
There's a difference between anti-authoritarianism and stupid.

And right-wing libertarians are stupid.
 
2012-06-28 12:37:21 AM  

WhyteRaven74: You could say it's a triumph *puts on sunglasses* of the will.....yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh


members.iinet.net.au
 
2012-06-28 12:45:24 AM  

ontariolightning: Why a picture of Superman in the article? He's half Canadian


Thought he was from Krypton and was raised in Iowa.
 
2012-06-28 12:46:38 AM  

MyEnamine: farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.

Conservatives are demonstrably more authoritarian than liberals. Link They happen to only respect authority they think shares their ideology. They want a strong father figure as their president. When Mitt urges you to the polls, will you say "Proceeding Daddy!"?


Makes sense then, as Obama is demonstrably center-right. Oh, and orders people's deaths in his spare time.

RWAs might vote for Romney, but if they're working in the Executive Branch, you'd better believe they're following orders. Not necessarily because they like Obama, but because they owe a duty to the office.
 
2012-06-28 12:51:05 AM  
All true. That New Yorker "columnist" is a tard.


Our government cannot balance the budget.
Our government has a secret torture policy, and applies this around the world.
Our government free's rapists and molesters and murders....
Our government honors illegals, offering them education and healthcare while our own people suffer and become more indebted (over a BILLION)
Our government would spend billions on a heathcare system while states are closing schools an libraries. Obama should be impeached for pushing this farking shiat.
Our government actually allowed the human genome to be patented!!!! WTF?!
Our government feels up old ladies and children in the airports.
Our government sells off our lands.


If I had a copy of the NY'er I'd keep it by the toilet and wipes ass with it.
 
2012-06-28 12:59:23 AM  
"I don't know if America has a leadership problem; it certainly has a followership problem," Brooks laments. "Vast majorities of Americans don't trust their institutions."

Gee. I wonder why?

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2012-06-28 01:00:22 AM  
/Thought I would share
 
2012-06-28 01:01:56 AM  

Zoomaster: /Thought I would share


/won't let me hot link, I will try another site
 
2012-06-28 01:13:49 AM  
I work in a big corporate office in Chicago, and as we looked out the window and saw tugboats equipped with machine guns cruising down the Chicago riverwalk, and police donning riot gear during the NATO summit, my whole office was cheering, hoping desperately to see Occupy protesters publicly beaten by law enforcement. "I wanna see some farking hippie blood!"

We're really good at blindly following authority. Authority's just really good at kissing our asses and getting us to convince ourselves to submit to their whims.
 
2012-06-28 01:15:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: farkityfarker: MyEnamine: Most Americans are very authoritarian. They followed Bush into war, love football coaches, and worship white Jesus. Hierarchy is what they know and understand. Which is why having Obama as their president is such a problem. Obama's position violates their flawed social hierarchy.

Obama's just as militaristic and authoritarian as Bush was.

Shouldn't you be playing under the bridge with randommotherf*cker? You can jerk each other off after you make your stupid and pointless comments.


Yeah, I'm trolling.

In the mean time, Obama kept Bush's Secretary of Defense for 2.5 years.

How stupid do people have to be to not see what's going on?
 
2012-06-28 01:21:46 AM  

Fart Roll: All true. That New Yorker "columnist" is a tard.


Our government cannot balance the budget.
Our government has a secret torture policy, and applies this around the world.
Our government free's rapists and molesters and murders....
Our government honors illegals, offering them education and healthcare while our own people suffer and become more indebted (over a BILLION)
Our government would spend billions on a heathcare system while states are closing schools an libraries. Obama should be impeached for pushing this farking shiat.
Our government actually allowed the human genome to be patented!!!! WTF?!
Our government feels up old ladies and children in the airports.
Our government sells off our lands.


If I had a copy of the NY'er I'd keep it by the toilet and wipes ass with it.



Another Fark Independent typing complete nonsense.
 
2012-06-28 01:48:01 AM  

intelligent comment below: Fart Roll: All true. That New Yorker "columnist" is a tard.


Our government cannot balance the budget.
Our government has a secret torture policy, and applies this around the world.
Our government free's rapists and molesters and murders....
Our government honors illegals, offering them education and healthcare while our own people suffer and become more indebted (over a BILLION)
Our government would spend billions on a heathcare system while states are closing schools an libraries. Obama should be impeached for pushing this farking shiat.
Our government actually allowed the human genome to be patented!!!! WTF?!
Our government feels up old ladies and children in the airports.
Our government sells off our lands.


If I had a copy of the NY'er I'd keep it by the toilet and wipes ass with it.


Another Fark Independent typing complete nonsense.



What are you, Obama's butt boy?
Pull yer pants up and find a rest stop somewhere.
*not interested*
 
2012-06-28 01:50:32 AM  

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Shaggy_C: Fark Me To Tears: It's called "Part of what it is to be an American" and it is one of the things that sets us apart from other countries in the world. People blindly following governmental authority is what's wrong with a lot of other countries. Always questioning/challenging government authority is part of what keeps this country from becoming another North Korea.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 400x400]

What "sets America apart" is that we fell into line and obeyed authority during WWII. You didn't see people at home boo-hooing the war effort, everyone was eating up the government's propaganda and doing what needed to be done. We were on the winning side and didn't have to fight on our own territory, meaning that we were primed for decades of dominance which we still haven't relinquished despite our best efforts to shoot ourselves in the foot. America is a nation of backwards, greedy, and angry people who act like bullies to make up for their own insecurities. The only thing that sets us apart these days is our military might. In the great grand scheme of things, we're but a blip.

What sets America apart from the rest of the world is two oceans and a strait.


Three oceans. One may be covered in ice, but it is still an ocean.
 
2012-06-28 02:00:16 AM  
ctrl + f "bunk"

0 of 0

really?

/will be in mine
 
2012-06-28 02:29:11 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: [www.prisonersofthecensus.org image 400x300]


I wonder what happened in 1980?
 
2012-06-28 02:30:40 AM  

TheJoe03: ontariolightning: Why a picture of Superman in the article? He's half Canadian

Thought he was from Krypton and was raised in Iowa.


Would Superman be considered an anchor baby if only his parents hadn't been killed? Or is he an illegal alien?
 
2012-06-28 02:43:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: TheJoe03: ontariolightning: Why a picture of Superman in the article? He's half Canadian

Thought he was from Krypton and was raised in Iowa.

Would Superman be considered an anchor baby if only his parents hadn't been killed? Or is he an illegal alien?


I believe Clark Kent is an immigrant refugee.

Superman doesn't give a shiat about a green card, he's goddamn Superman.
 
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