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(The Daily Beast)   So who's going to get screwed if Obamacare is struck down? Ironically, it's Southerners (who vote GOP), insurance companies (who support the GOP) and young people (who don't vote)   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 247
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2012-06-27 08:02:49 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Maybe if it gets upheld, they can explain how the tax/fine/penalty for not accepting this 'healthcare' is supposed to cover the costs as explained. Sonyia should be able to muster that up.


I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court doesn't deal with budgetary matters.
 
2012-06-27 08:05:51 PM

qorkfiend: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Maybe if it gets upheld, they can explain how the tax/fine/penalty for not accepting this 'healthcare' is supposed to cover the costs as explained. Sonyia should be able to muster that up.

I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court doesn't deal with budgetary matters.


Sadly true. No one likes math.
 
2012-06-27 08:07:11 PM

Lando Lincoln: GoSlash27: I shall butter my popcorn with the delicious tears of the farketariat when tomorrow's majority opinion is handed down.

If they say the whole law is unconstitutional, my kids are going to be thrown off of my insurance, unless Congress comes up with a new plan.

Are you going to be celebrating that?


I wasn't planning on it, but now that you've reminded me of how your personal gain outweighs the rights of everybody else in the country and the Constitution, I'll be sure to pen you in.
/ who's being "selfish and greedy" now?
 
2012-06-27 08:16:55 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.

I was going to reply to this point by point, refuting all of your hypotheses and illuminating for all to see your deep level of misunderstanding not only my post, but things in general, but then I remembered something.

There's no need.

Everyone on this board already knows what an ignorant misguided dickhole you are.

Such nasty name-calling. tsk tsk Those libby emotions really do rule your life. You should try facts and logic for a change.

The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.

When something becomes not for profit, does it then become more or less innovative? There are many other questions I could ask along these lines, but that's as good as any to start.

Ask yourself - If you had a serious medical problem and you would benefit from the newest treatments with the best trained doctors, would you seek treatment in a not for profit communist country? You can go anywhere you want - do you pick a current or even former communist state?


And what, exactly, is becoming non-profit, retard?
 
2012-06-27 08:21:30 PM
pisceandreamer 2012-06-27 07:34:40 PM

JerkStore: I don't get this whole uproar. I WANT socialized medicine. I am single, 42 years old, and self-employed. My health insurance plan is basically this: don't farking get sick.

Totally understand. I've got a private plan and it's farking $300 a month with a $10K deductible and I'm still afraid that if anything happens and I have to actually use it, I'll get dropped. No pre-existing conditions to boot.

you might actually be one of the people who will get screwed by ACA. it is a small percentage that get really f*cked by it. the young and relatively healthy. you have a catastrophic policy. early 30s? they want people like you and me to really dump our cash into the insurance company pockets. they don't make enough profit on our catastrophic policies, don't you know.
you know that full plan you didn't want to pay for? that's in your future unless the mandate is thrown out, and even then your catastrophic plan may be prohibitted still so you really have no choice if you want some insurance but to buy the mega plan that costs $7 grand.
 
2012-06-27 08:32:18 PM
Hi guys, Canada (Ontario) here.

Quick CSB time: my dad had a heart attack in November. Emergency triple bypass, 10 days in the hospital, didn't cost us a penny. My brother in law in the Philippines had cancer a couple of years ago... it cost the family about 15 grand for a few months worth of treatment before he died from it. You can't get anything over there without paying up front (at least their meds are fairly cheap, comparatively).

Every single damn one of us is thankful for our socialized healthcare system. In fact, I've NEVER met a fellow Canadian who'd prefer your system. Ever. Not even Canadian conservatives.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you tomorrow. Obamacare is better than nothin'.
 
2012-06-27 08:38:16 PM

Drexl's Eye: Obamacare is better than nothin'.


Yeah, not really. With the compromises and half-measures it's basically like taking people stuck in a burning house and taking them from the bedroom to the living room. Liberals hate it because you still have to pay an insurer an conservatives hate it because it's "Big Gubiment Intrusion".
 
2012-06-27 09:03:17 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Drexl's Eye: Obamacare is better than nothin'.

Yeah, not really. With the compromises and half-measures it's basically like taking people stuck in a burning house and taking them from the bedroom to the living room. Liberals hate it because you still have to pay an insurer an conservatives hate it because it's "Big Gubiment Intrusion".


Wrong. I am a liberal, and I don't hate it at all. It's not perfect, but it is a pretty big step in the right direction.

Conservatives hate it because socialism. A program that they came up with and supported until Obama put his stinky signature on it. Socialism. The mandate terrifies them because it makes everyone responsible for having their own health insurance. You know, that personal responsibility thing they have such a hardon for. It frightens them that someone is actually making them put their money where their mouths are.
 
2012-06-27 09:03:20 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Yeah, not really. With the compromises and half-measures it's basically like taking people stuck in a burning house and taking them from the bedroom to the living room. Liberals hate it because you still have to pay an insurer an conservatives hate it because it's "Big Gubiment Intrusion".


Funny, I'm about as libby-lib as you can get here, and I don't think anything of the kind.

Care to rephrase your strawman?
 
2012-06-27 09:32:40 PM

Drexl's Eye: Hi guys, Canada (Ontario) here.

Quick CSB time: my dad had a heart attack in November. Emergency triple bypass, 10 days in the hospital, didn't cost us a penny. My brother in law in the Philippines had cancer a couple of years ago... it cost the family about 15 grand for a few months worth of treatment before he died from it. You can't get anything over there without paying up front (at least their meds are fairly cheap, comparatively).

Every single damn one of us is thankful for our socialized healthcare system. In fact, I've NEVER met a fellow Canadian who'd prefer your system. Ever. Not even Canadian conservatives.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you tomorrow. Obamacare is better than nothin'.


I did some work up on Alberta, and got to talking about medical stuff with the guys up there. I felt like I was from a 3rd world country.
 
2012-06-27 09:48:00 PM

Sarsin: Drexl's Eye: Hi guys, Canada (Ontario) here.

Quick CSB time: my dad had a heart attack in November. Emergency triple bypass, 10 days in the hospital, didn't cost us a penny. My brother in law in the Philippines had cancer a couple of years ago... it cost the family about 15 grand for a few months worth of treatment before he died from it. You can't get anything over there without paying up front (at least their meds are fairly cheap, comparatively).

Every single damn one of us is thankful for our socialized healthcare system. In fact, I've NEVER met a fellow Canadian who'd prefer your system. Ever. Not even Canadian conservatives.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you tomorrow. Obamacare is better than nothin'.

I did some work up on Alberta, and got to talking about medical stuff with the guys up there. I felt like I was from a 3rd world country.


Alberta is notoriously conservative, too, at least by Ontario standards.
 
2012-06-27 09:49:30 PM

Drexl's Eye: Alberta is notoriously conservative, too, at least by Ontario standards.


Go figure, they're oil-drunk.

Kind of makes you want to hate libs.
 
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2012-06-27 10:13:56 PM

MeinRS6: vpb: being looked down upon by "liberal elites" might be a more urgent problem to them

You are failing to recognize the fact that the agenda of "liberal elites" is bad for the country. So that's why not everyone responds to them in a positive manner. No graph required for that one.


Yes, much the same way I fail to recognise that 2+2=27. I can look at countries like Germany and Sweden and see how well these liberal policies work, and I can look back at the last 30 years and recognise the fact that conservative policies have been a disaster for this country.


So basically Maslows hierarchy shows why people like you ignore objective reality
 
2012-06-27 10:29:51 PM

vpb: MeinRS6: vpb: being looked down upon by "liberal elites" might be a more urgent problem to them

You are failing to recognize the fact that the agenda of "liberal elites" is bad for the country. So that's why not everyone responds to them in a positive manner. No graph required for that one.

Yes, much the same way I fail to recognise that 2+2=27. I can look at countries like Germany and Sweden and see how well these liberal policies work, and I can look back at the last 30 years and recognise the fact that conservative policies have been a disaster for this country.

So basically Maslows hierarchy shows why people like you ignore objective reality



You are gravely mistaken. The US isn't Germany or Sweden and does not have those populations.

And liberal policies have been enacted almost continuously in this country for 50+yrs and none of them work. Ever. You libs just keep claiming that enough money isn't spent on them and that's why they don't work. Now the country is worse than broke, and libs are still claiming that the problem is that taxes aren't high enough and spending on lib programs isn't big enough.

So who is it again that is ignoring reality?
 
2012-06-27 10:44:20 PM

penetrating_virga: whidbey: penetrating_virga: Lando Lincoln: GoSlash27: I shall butter my popcorn with the delicious tears of the farketariat when tomorrow's majority opinion is handed down.

If they say the whole law is unconstitutional, my kids are going to be thrown off of my insurance, unless Congress comes up with a new plan.

Are you going to be celebrating that?

Nope, we won't be celebrating your loss.

We WILL however be celebrating the ruling that government cannot force citizens to buy X.

YAY 40 million uninsured people. FARK EM I GOT MINE.

As opposed to what?! Gimme Gimme.. I WANT YOURS!


How is my kids being pushed off of my health insurance likened to "I WANT YOURS?"

If my kids go off of my health insurance, then whenever they need healthcare, they'll have no option but to go to the emergency room. And since they don't have jobs that allow them to pay exorbitant rates for treatment, they'll just stick the costs to the hospital. So the hospital will trash their credit rating, and everybody else gets to pay for the treatment with increased rates.

So how is that better than me paying for my kids insurance? Please explain this to me.
 
2012-06-27 10:49:24 PM

randomjsa: So who's going to get screwed if Obamacare is struck down?

Not a single solitary person in the United States.


Goddamn, you're dumb.
 
2012-06-27 10:55:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: How is my kids being pushed off of my health insurance likened to "I WANT YOURS?"

If my kids go off of my health insurance, then whenever they need healthcare, they'll have no option but to go to the emergency room. And since they don't have jobs that allow them to pay exorbitant rates for treatment, they'll just stick the costs to the hospital. So the hospital will trash their credit rating, and everybody else gets to pay for the treatment with increased rates.

So how is that better than me paying for my kids insurance? Please explain this to me.


He can't. They can't understand that we have a version of socialized care now, we just distribute it all stupid. People with no coverage go to the 1 place where they can't say no and stick the costs to the hospital who takes it out of those of us that can pay. Unless they can stomach letting ERs dump people out the front door dying if they can't pay, it will continue to be that way. Otherwise we might as well go to an actual single payer system so we are at least distributing the money around in a non-silly manor.
 
2012-06-27 11:03:23 PM

MeinRS6:

So who is it again that is ignoring reality?


So -you are posting here to make right wingers seem retarded?
 
2012-06-27 11:03:48 PM

Lando Lincoln: So how is that better than me paying for my kids insurance? Please explain this to me.


Liberals, socialisms and flatulent percussionists.
 
2012-06-27 11:04:47 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.


It's much much better to punish kids and disabled people for having dumb parents or a crippling genetic condition than to accept the facts, right, MeinHerr?
 
2012-06-27 11:11:43 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: MeinRS6:

So who is it again that is ignoring reality?

So -you are posting here to make right wingers seem retarded?


His posting makes right wingers look like freaking Einstein.
 
2012-06-28 12:24:47 AM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.


Single payer health care is not even related to communism. You are a moron.

/Or are you actually stupid enough to think us Canadians are Communists?
//Goes way beyond moron.
 
2012-06-28 12:40:52 AM

LavenderWolf: Single payer health care is not even related to communism. You are a moron.


I wasn't talking about single payer or even Obamacare. I was addressing the idea of making the entire medical field not for profit. Communists always railed against profits. Under real communism, someone coming up with an idea, protecting it, then selling it for more than it cost them to make was all frowned upon. The result was a country like the former Soviet Union being backwards and lagging far behind in many areas to countries like the US. So that's what I was talking about.

If you would like to read more on the soul crushing nature of communism and depriving people of incentive, there are a number of books on the topic.
 
2012-06-28 01:15:10 AM

MeinRS6: LavenderWolf: Single payer health care is not even related to communism. You are a moron.

I wasn't talking about single payer or even Obamacare. I was addressing the idea of making the entire medical field not for profit. Communists always railed against profits. Under real communism, someone coming up with an idea, protecting it, then selling it for more than it cost them to make was all frowned upon. The result was a country like the former Soviet Union being backwards and lagging far behind in many areas to countries like the US. So that's what I was talking about.

If you would like to read more on the soul crushing nature of communism and depriving people of incentive, there are a number of books on the topic.


Wait a minute -- you read?!
 
2012-06-28 01:44:23 AM
MeinRS6 is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.
 
2012-06-28 01:50:45 AM
who is going to get screwed if it stays in effect? everyone.

so, not sure where you're going there with that submitter
 
2012-06-28 01:58:58 AM

Kittypie070: MeinRS6 is a troll.

Stop feeding the troll.


What someone posts when they have nothing worthwhile to say.

So, well done there.
 
2012-06-28 02:14:02 AM

Bob Dolemite: who is going to get screwed if it stays in effect? everyone.


[CITATION NEEDED]

so, not sure where you're going there with that submitter

So I guess you're OK with 40 million Americans being uninsured. It doesn't affect you in any way. Emergency room visits=cheap.
 
2012-06-28 02:34:36 AM

MeinRS6: LavenderWolf: Single payer health care is not even related to communism. You are a moron.

I wasn't talking about single payer or even Obamacare. I was addressing the idea of making the entire medical field not for profit. Communists always railed against profits. Under real communism, someone coming up with an idea, protecting it, then selling it for more than it cost them to make was all frowned upon. The result was a country like the former Soviet Union being backwards and lagging far behind in many areas to countries like the US. So that's what I was talking about.

If you would like to read more on the soul crushing nature of communism and depriving people of incentive, there are a number of books on the topic.


Yes, because "single-payer" and not-for-profit is EXACTLY the same thing as Stalinism. Yes yes, I see it all. You make it so clear now.
 
2012-06-28 03:01:05 AM

Gyrfalcon: Yes, because "single-payer" and not-for-profit is EXACTLY the same thing as Stalinism. Yes yes, I see it all. You make it so clear now.


If I want to say that something is EXACTLY the same thing as Stalinism, then that's what I'll type. You'll notice that I didn't post that though. You are making shiat up and trying to imply that I posted said made up shiat. That's not good. Try to control your urge to lie incessantly.

I'm making a larger point about how to immediately degrade, and ultimately destroy, something by forcing the lib agenda onto it. If healthcare is to become not for profit and paid for by someone other than yourself/your insurance that you pay for because it is a "right", then the system degrades. If you would like proof of that, go to any all gov't cheese hospital, and then go visit a top notch private hospital(It's impossible to discuss all of the different types of funding for private institutions and their tax status, so I won't try to do it here, but there is a difference. And yes, there are tiny exceptions to every rule).

So to break it down for you as simply as I can - Profit=good thing. Liberals that think otherwise=very ignorant bad things
 
2012-06-28 03:05:57 AM

whidbey: Bob Dolemite: who is going to get screwed if it stays in effect? everyone.

[CITATION NEEDED]

so, not sure where you're going there with that submitter

So I guess you're OK with 40 million Americans being uninsured. It doesn't affect you in any way. Emergency room visits=cheap.


Using the ER for a routine or ongoing medical issue is a piss-poor substitute for being in the care of a regular doctor, as well as being far more expensive and taking doctors and nurses away from treating patients who need immediate attention.

How ridiculous that the place which was made for treating real medical "emergencies" has become the only place that most uninsured people can see a doctor. Our government is farking sick for thinking this is an acceptable way to provide heath care in a country that is supposed to be the "most advanced" in the world.

Think I'll throw a copy of Atlas Shrugged on the grill to mark the occasion, and hope that the Sociopathic coont is twisting and burning in hell, along with her words.

'Merika, f*ck yeah!
 
2012-06-28 03:36:21 AM

Lando Lincoln: Goddamn, you're dumb.


Pot meet kettle.

/if the troll is "dumb" what do you call the retarded piece of shiat that responds to em?
 
2012-06-28 07:24:33 AM

gothelder: Lando Lincoln: Goddamn, you're dumb.

Pot meet kettle.

/if the troll is "dumb" what do you call the retarded piece of shiat that responds to em?


Well, I'm responding to you, so...
 
2012-06-28 07:47:13 AM

Lando Lincoln: gothelder: Lando Lincoln: Goddamn, you're dumb.

Pot meet kettle.

/if the troll is "dumb" what do you call the retarded piece of shiat that responds to em?

Well, I'm responding to you, so...


To what end?

You are now firmly embedded in the subgroup of farkers and will be farkied and probably ignored as somebody who is too stupid to realize when they are being trolled by the academy of derp.

Stupid people do not deserve to have their opinions read and by your postings, congrats you are stupid. Unfortunately in the unlikely event you ever do manage pull your head out of your ass to have a conversation with somebody who is not a troll, I am unlikely to read it.

Congrats, it takes a lot to get on that list.
 
2012-06-28 07:53:52 AM

MeinRS6:
If you would like to read more on the soul crushing nature of communism and depriving people of incentive, there are a number of books on the topic.



You keep using that word "Communism". I don't think you know what it means.

Please name one of your "books".
 
2012-06-28 08:10:19 AM
So, fewer Southerners? Guess it's not all bad, maybe we can start evolving.
 
2012-06-28 08:32:58 AM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.


Are you a farking retard or something? What does anything you just said have to do with the comment you are responding to?
 
2012-06-28 08:57:30 AM

manimal2878: MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.

Are you a farking retard or something? What does anything you just said have to do with the comment you are responding to?


The depths of his ignorance are so deep even Balrogs fear to go down there.
 
2012-06-28 09:24:32 AM

MeinRS6: You are gravely mistaken. The US isn't Germany or Sweden and does not have those populations.


Ah, yes, the old "We're a unique country so that's why solutions that work in every other developed country on the planet won't work here" canard.
 
2012-06-28 09:27:01 AM
 
2012-06-28 09:45:20 AM

jigger: Serious Black: jigger: Serious Black: jigger: Serious Black: And I certainly don't recall every single infinitesimally small detail of the bill,

But that's where they getcha.

Go on, ask me a question about any provision of the bill.

In Section 1003 where it amends Part C of title XXVII of the Public Health Service Act (42
U.S.C. 300gg-91) it says:

JUSTIFICATION AND DISCLOSURE.-The process established under paragraph (1) shall require health insurance issuers to submit to the Secretary and the relevant State a justification for an unreasonable premium increase prior to the implementation of the increase. Such issuers shall prominently post such information on their Internet websites. The Secretary shall ensure the public disclosure of information on
such increases and justifications for all health insurance issuers.


Are only "unreasonable" premium increases to be posted on the insurance company's website? What about "reasonable" increases? What constitutes "unreasonable"? Who decides that? Can it be anywhere on the website? Does it have to be easily found by any random grandma? Or just somewhere in there?

The law created a Rate Review program to handle these questions. States are allowed to handle the Rate Review program in-house, or they can let the federal government handle the Rate Review themselves. From what I've seen, almost every state decided to do the rate reviewing themselves rather than hand the duties to the federal government, though the federal government has issued several grants totaling hundreds of millions of dollars to build on the work already accomplished in many states. The people in these programs that make the decisions fall under the purview of the state's insurance commissioner (in my case, Sandy Praeger). The regulations released for handling rate reviews said a few things:

1) Any premium increase above 10% is automatically subject to review and must be accompanied by evidence for assumptions and trends in future health care cost i ...


Sorry, I was out for the night and didn't see your questions back. The 10% threshold was established by HHS as an initial check on what constituted unreasonable, but it did not by itself guarantee that rate increases above this threshold were unreasonable. Indeed, some of the comments on HHS's proposed premium review rule said that this threshold was too high, and others said that it was too low. The point of the 10% rule was to set a transitional standard and let regulators focus their work on the most egregious cases before letting the states take control and set their own thresholds. Some states already have said that they will have no standard and will automatically check every single rate change for unreasonableness.

As for the location on the website, there is no official guidance on where it must be placed. I know that for my health insurance plan, the rate increases were contained in the brochure for the plan under a section that specifically calls out changes to the plan, including new benefits, changes to copays and coinsurances, and other clarifications to previously offered benefits.
 
2012-06-28 09:58:07 AM

Serious Black: MeinRS6: You are gravely mistaken. The US isn't Germany or Sweden and does not have those populations.

Ah, yes, the old "We're a unique country so that's why solutions that work in every other developed country on the planet won't work here" canard.


The really strange part about this particular canard is that he's actually arguing that Americans are incapable of making that solution work. That implies either incompetence or irrational contrariness. It's hardly an argument that paints the USA in a favorable light.

As a Canadian, I find the whole mess about healthcare in the USA amusing to begin with, but this particular argument just takes the cake. Please do tell me more about how the USA as a whole is too stupid to make a solution work that has been successfully implemented by every other capitalist first world nation.
 
2012-06-28 10:22:25 AM
So I guess we can take from this that Southerners have more honor and dignity then others, as they will follow the Constitution even if it is not in their own best interests.
 
2012-06-28 10:23:52 AM

Madbassist1: Marcus Aurelius: It would be kind of amusing if the mandate was struck down and the rest stood.

I think the law will stand as it is.


You heard it here first, folks.
 
2012-06-28 11:14:43 AM

KiltedBastich: Serious Black: MeinRS6: You are gravely mistaken. The US isn't Germany or Sweden and does not have those populations.

Ah, yes, the old "We're a unique country so that's why solutions that work in every other developed country on the planet won't work here" canard.

The really strange part about this particular canard is that he's actually arguing that Americans are incapable of making that solution work. That implies either incompetence or irrational contrariness. It's hardly an argument that paints the USA in a favorable light.


Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Every time somebody suggests that it's impossible for us to achieve universal coverage with quality health care, I throw the American Exceptionalism argument up to question why we can't do it when several other countries have shown that it's feasible, and the argument back is usually "Oh, we can't do something that's impossible." Give me a farking break.
 
2012-06-28 12:44:31 PM

lordaction: So I guess we can take from this that Southerners have more honor and dignity then others, as they will follow the Constitution even if it is not in their own best interests.


It was ruled constitutional so you derp on many levels.
 
2012-06-28 01:35:00 PM

gothelder: Lando Lincoln: gothelder: Lando Lincoln: Goddamn, you're dumb.

Pot meet kettle.

/if the troll is "dumb" what do you call the retarded piece of shiat that responds to em?

Well, I'm responding to you, so...

To what end?

You are now firmly embedded in the subgroup of farkers and will be farkied and probably ignored as somebody who is too stupid to realize when they are being trolled by the academy of derp.

Stupid people do not deserve to have their opinions read and by your postings, congrats you are stupid. Unfortunately in the unlikely event you ever do manage pull your head out of your ass to have a conversation with somebody who is not a troll, I am unlikely to read it.

Congrats, it takes a lot to get on that list.


Well, okay then. I'll miss you.
 
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