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2012-06-27 04:38:01 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.

No. I don't need to because several posters have already done that work for me. You don't have the slightest farking clue what you are talking about, what communism is and how socialized healthcare works. You prove that with each subsequent post.

Rather than waste my time refudiating* you, I'll let the others, and there are many of them, do it. And they have.


You keep telling yourself that.

And also keep thinking that not for profit is the way to go, ignore all history and human nature. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-06-27 04:41:41 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.

No. I don't need to because several posters have already done that work for me. You don't have the slightest farking clue what you are talking about, what communism is and how socialized healthcare works. You prove that with each subsequent post.

Rather than waste my time refudiating* you, I'll let the others, and there are many of them, do it. And they have.

You keep telling yourself that.

And also keep thinking that not for profit is the way to go, ignore all history and human nature. What could possibly go wrong?


Poor and sick people would get medical care?
 
2012-06-27 04:44:52 PM

MeinRS6: What could possibly go wrong?


www.costcowebpharmacysucks.com

But why talk about such trivialities when we can talk about YOU... What makes you tick? Why do you come here and just ignore refudiations* of your right wing talking points and just insult people. It seems like a cry for attention.

Well, you have it. So come on do share. Tell us why you hate gays again. That's more interesting than this "policy talk" about "health care".

* Also intentional
 
2012-06-27 04:45:13 PM

MeinRS6: And also keep thinking that not for profit is the way to go, ignore all history and human nature. What could possibly go wrong?


Good point. Here are the top 15 not for profit companies in revenue from 2010, and that's just Minnesota.
I'm sure the Mayo clinic will be glad to know they're not innovative because of communism.

> Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota
2010 Revenue (in millions) 9,035.2
> Mayo Clinic
2010 Revenue (in millions) 8,219.5
> Medica
2010 Revenue (in millions) 4,070.0
> HealthPartners
2010 Revenue (in millions) 3,577.7
> Allina Health System
2010 Revenue (in millions) 3,145.6
> Fairview Health Services
2010 Revenue (in millions) 2,727.5 6 2,703.3 0.9
> UCare
2010 Revenue (in millions) 1,623.7
> Essentia Health
2010 Revenue (in millions) 1,500.3
> Park Nicollet Health Services
2010 Revenue (in millions) 1,225.8
> HealthEast
2010 Revenue (in millions) 858.5
> CentraCare Corp.
2010 Revenue (in millions) 839.9
> North Memorial Health Care
2010 Revenue (in millions) 603.2
> Children's Hospitals and Clinics
2010 Revenue (in millions) 602.8
> University of Minnesota Physicians
2010 Revenue (in millions) 368.8
> St. Luke's Hospital of Duluth
2010 Revenue (in millions) 317.5
 
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2012-06-27 04:49:02 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are Ask yourself - If you had a serious medical problem and you would benefit from the newest treatments with the best trained doctors, would you seek treatment in a not for profit communist country? You can go anywhere you want - do you pick a current or even former communist state?


I would go to Germany or France. They are usually rated as the best. (and are usually called Socialist by Conservatives).

It's a meaningless question though. Single payer isn't socialized medicine, it's just socialized insurance. The doctors and hospitals would still be a free market. Comparing it to medicine in communist countries is a scare tactic for the ignorant, although the medical care in Cuba is supposed to be pretty good.

Since the insurance industry's business model is avoiding insuring sick people, a free market isn't going to encourage treating sick people because you have a perverse incentive.
 
2012-06-27 04:51:08 PM
Why do you people even bother with that f*cking retard?

/you know it's a complete waste of time
//but then, I guess we're all about wasting time here, aren't we?
 
2012-06-27 04:54:14 PM
Pharmaceuticals.
 
2012-06-27 04:55:45 PM
If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.

It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.
 
2012-06-27 04:56:20 PM

MeinRS6: Ask yourself - If you had a serious medical problem and you would benefit from the newest treatments with the best trained doctors, would you seek treatment in a not for profit communist country? You can go anywhere you want - do you pick a current or even former communist state?


Do those newest treatments actually cure or treat serious medical problems, or do they simply pour money into the vaults of Big Pharma? And how do you know that the doctors in any given country are really the best trained?
 
2012-06-27 04:57:47 PM
Here's hoping we don't get all the good stuff (coverage for all) minus the bad stuff (paying for it). But somehow that will happen, and the R's will gloat about how awesome "their" plan is while railing the D's for what it's costing.
 
2012-06-27 04:59:18 PM

pisceandreamer: Serious question (and I know Fark ain't the place to ask, but...) - if the individual mandate is struck down, will this bring a public option back into play?


The only thing that will bring a public option into play is a Democratic majority in the House and between 65 and 70 Democratic seats in the Senate (have to account for the Baucuses and Conrads).
 
2012-06-27 05:01:10 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.

No. I don't need to because several posters have already done that work for me. You don't have the slightest farking clue what you are talking about, what communism is and how socialized healthcare works. You prove that with each subsequent post.

Rather than waste my time refudiating* you, I'll let the others, and there are many of them, do it. And they have.

You keep telling yourself that.

And also keep thinking that not for profit is the way to go, ignore all history and human nature. What could possibly go wrong?


I would say the history of countries like Switzerland, Germany, Singapore, and France that have all made their health insurers not-for-profit has shown this is an effective strategy.
 
2012-06-27 05:01:28 PM
Good.

Fark 'em.
 
2012-06-27 05:04:41 PM
When it gets struck down.... I can't wait for the epic thread that will ensue.
 
2012-06-27 05:04:45 PM
So basically, the groups that have it coming, for one reason or another:
Southerners for supporting a political party that screws them.
Insurance companies for supporting a political party that screws them.
Young people for not bothering to do their part in stopping a political party from screwing them.
 
2012-06-27 05:06:30 PM
i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-27 05:06:35 PM

Ball Sack Obama: When it gets struck down.... I can't wait for the epic thread that will ensue.


So nice to know that you're still a mean-spirited right-winger posting on Fark. It's refreshing, really.
 
2012-06-27 05:06:37 PM
No, its pretty much just the insurance companies.
 
2012-06-27 05:08:05 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Those parts should pass constitutional muster.


With the current court, constitutional muster means nothing.

/Go ahead, SCOTUS, prove me wrong.
//No, seriously, I want to be proven wrong.
 
2012-06-27 05:09:18 PM

Uncle Tractor: [i560.photobucket.com image 633x480]


I think you need to swap out "Norway" for "every other developed country on the entire farking planet" in that picture, buddy.
 
2012-06-27 05:10:21 PM
I'll give a fark about southerners when southerners give a fark about southerners. This is the same region that sent off bucketloads, the vast majority in fact, of soldiers who were poor, have nothings, fighting to keep a system that entirely profited the rich southern gentry and did squat all for them. These people have spent years of stepping on their own dicks to make a point since the civil war. Fark them!
 
2012-06-27 05:11:03 PM
another question: if the commerce clause rationale for the mandate is struck down, what other government mandates will also fall?
 
2012-06-27 05:11:12 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Marcus Aurelius: Those parts should pass constitutional muster.

With the current court, constitutional muster means nothing.

/Go ahead, SCOTUS, prove me wrong.
//No, seriously, I want to be proven wrong.


Which is why the dissenters should be removed from the bench.

This should be an open-and-shut case if it were done by the numbers.
 
2012-06-27 05:12:41 PM
Wait, wouldn't young people be screwed by Obamacare? Lots of them don't have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. It's not even that expensive for them, even individual coverage is pretty cheap for them. The whole point of the mandate is to make them pay the insurance companies.
 
MFL
2012-06-27 05:14:35 PM
whidbey
If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

If this bill gets struck down they are saving the country. The majority of the country doesn't want this anyway.

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.

Not they do not. The government cannot force someone to enter a market just so they can regulate it. This is fundamentally wrong.

It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.

Bullies? Really? You guys were the ones that bullied this thing through congress with a completely partisan vote. But I guess it's only partisan when republicans do it.

Healthcare is a service not a right. This is the fundamental disconnect between those who cherish freedom and those who demand free stuff. Period.
 
2012-06-27 05:14:38 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.

I was going to reply to this point by point, refuting all of your hypotheses and illuminating for all to see your deep level of misunderstanding not only my post, but things in general, but then I remembered something.

There's no need.

Everyone on this board already knows what an ignorant misguided dickhole you are.

Such nasty name-calling. tsk tsk Those libby emotions really do rule your life. You should try facts and logic for a change.

The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.


He responded, he didn't speak to your points, but he responded. It seems that is another word you don't know the meaning of. In his response, he essentially said "this" to the posts immediately before his, the ones you purposefully ignored. Rather, you attacked his post because it allowed you to continue your narrative. If you really have any notions of how socialized medicine works (and here's a hint, it has nothing to do with "communism") and how it relates to single payer, then, please, expound upon them.
 
2012-06-27 05:15:09 PM

FlashHarry: i would have thought big insurance would've supported dems, but this is not the case.


Why would they? Trial lawyers (the insurers' natural enemy) tend to be bigger Democatic donors. Although the fact is we do ok whoever is in charge, it's something like a 7.7% ROI with Democrats and 8.0% with Republicans. The data skews because of the Carter administration but insurers know to butter both sides of the bread.

/Will find the link later if citation is demanded
 
2012-06-27 05:15:48 PM

whidbey: If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.

It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.


My thoughts on this:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."


:/
 
2012-06-27 05:15:59 PM
an MRI costs $98 in japan.

until the american people demand action our situation will continue to get worse.

the answer to the problem of cost isn't a government prohibition on catastrophic plans and a government mandate on the young and healthy to purchase overpriced insurance products from for profit corporations to pad their bottom lines that these people neither want, need, or that are a anything but a rip off from a for profit insurance industry that plays wingman as healthcare providers everywhere rape american citizens with no lube.

this reform bill looks more like a corporatist wet dream and payoff for campaign contributions than anything designed to address the real problems in healthcare.
they need to take the word affordable out of affordable care act.
 
2012-06-27 05:16:31 PM

Aarontology: vygramul: It's really Democrats who shouldn't like it. But these days, it's all about which party PASSED the bill than intellectual honesty.

The fact that the Gov. Romney's signature piece of legislation which he said should be applied to the nation one of the direct inspirations for the bill says that.


Originated by the Heritage Foundation in 1989, introduced as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act in 1993 by 15 Republicans (including soon-to-be presidential nominee Bob Dole), re-introduced as the Healthy Americans Act in 2007 by Republican Bob Bennett....
 
2012-06-27 05:19:00 PM
Good lord...every thread is getting shiat on.

Did the checks clear this morning or something?
 
2012-06-27 05:19:14 PM

Super Chronic: Aarontology: vygramul: It's really Democrats who shouldn't like it. But these days, it's all about which party PASSED the bill than intellectual honesty.

The fact that the Gov. Romney's signature piece of legislation which he said should be applied to the nation one of the direct inspirations for the bill says that.

Originated by the Heritage Foundation in 1989, introduced as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act in 1993 by 15 Republicans (including soon-to-be presidential nominee Bob Dole), re-introduced as the Healthy Americans Act in 2007 by Republican Bob Bennett....


and a thoroughly f*cked out plan of inaction that level headed progressives used to recognize as stillborn until obama became president and they all became corporate whores.
 
2012-06-27 05:19:19 PM

jigger: Wait, wouldn't young people be screwed by Obamacare? Lots of them don't have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. It's not even that expensive for them, even individual coverage is pretty cheap for them. The whole point of the mandate is to make them pay the insurance companies.


They can be on their parents plan until 26, or on an employer plan, or if they're unemployed or not making much money, the government covers them via the Medicare expansion.

The whole point of the mandate is to prevent assholes from exploiting the pre-existing condition clause. If we didn't have assholes, the mandate wouldn't be needed. But then again, a lot of things wouldn't be needed at that point.
 
2012-06-27 05:19:29 PM

MFL: Not they do not. The government cannot force someone to enter a market just so they can regulate it. This is fundamentally wrong.


Can the government regulate how people pay for services if they are participating in the market?
 
2012-06-27 05:20:28 PM

bulldg4life: Good lord...every thread is getting shiat on.

Did the checks clear this morning or something?


Everyone's amped up for tomorrow.
 
2012-06-27 05:20:59 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.


MeinRS6, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul I hope you get hit by a train, you clinically retarded farkstick.
 
2012-06-27 05:21:15 PM
I shall butter my popcorn with the delicious tears of the farketariat when tomorrow's majority opinion is handed down.
 
2012-06-27 05:21:16 PM

relcec: an MRI costs $98 in japan.

until the american people demand action our situation will continue to get worse.

the answer to the problem of cost isn't a government prohibition on catastrophic plans and a government mandate on the young and healthy to purchase overpriced insurance products from for profit corporations to pad their bottom lines that these people neither want, need, or that are a anything but a rip off from a for profit insurance industry that plays wingman as healthcare providers everywhere rape american citizens with no lube.

this reform bill looks more like a corporatist wet dream and payoff for campaign contributions than anything designed to address the real problems in healthcare.
they need to take the word affordable out of affordable care act.


Fark doesnt allow font big enough for the THIS this post deserves.
 
2012-06-27 05:21:27 PM

MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: MeinRS6: AdolfOliverPanties: I am still amazed we are even discussing this. Healthcare shouldn't even be an issue. Medicine should not be a for-profit industry. we are talking about human lives and the only thing that seems to matter to some people is the farking bottom line.

Single payer. Now.

And there you have it. A perfect example of a person that doesn't know anything about the failures of communism around the globe. He's blocked out all factual information, all history, all facts regarding human nature, and just relies on his "But what about the children!?!" type feelings. This is one of the reasons why it is dangerous to the country for idiot libs to be in power.

I was going to reply to this point by point, refuting all of your hypotheses and illuminating for all to see your deep level of misunderstanding not only my post, but things in general, but then I remembered something.

There's no need.

Everyone on this board already knows what an ignorant misguided dickhole you are.

Such nasty name-calling. tsk tsk Those libby emotions really do rule your life. You should try facts and logic for a change.

The reason that you cannot respond in a meaningful way is because you know I'm right.

When something becomes not for profit, does it then become more or less innovative? There are many other questions I could ask along these lines, but that's as good as any to start.

Ask yourself - If you had a serious medical problem and you would benefit from the newest treatments with the best trained doctors, would you seek treatment in a not for profit communist country? You can go anywhere you want - do you pick a current or even former communist state?


He said, ironically failing to answer any of the LEGION of other posters who had proven his every point false.

/Then again: Cherry picking's what you Conservies do best
//be it Bible, Constitution, or history
 
2012-06-27 05:22:42 PM
The author of that article didn't actually read the legislation, his analysis was based solely on Obama stump speeches.
 
2012-06-27 05:22:43 PM

MFL: whidbey
If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

If this bill gets struck down they are saving the country. The majority of the country doesn't want this anyway.


[CITATION NEEDED].

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.


Not they do not. The government cannot force someone to enter a market just so they can regulate it. This is fundamentally wrong.


Actually, they can. What part of "public health CRISIS" are you pretending to forget you read?



It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.

Bullies? Really? You guys were the ones that bullied this thing through congress with a completely partisan vote. But I guess it's only partisan when republicans do it.


Pretty sure the "no" votes were partisan bullshiat, MFL. The Dems passed a very historic piece of legislation that has been touted by the AMA and the WHO, among others.

Pretty much only the "government-intrustion" paranoid types are the ones speaking out against this.


Healthcare is a service not a right. This is the fundamental disconnect between those who cherish freedom and those who demand free stuff. Period.

Yes, because affordable health insurance is "free stuff." You have an odd way of classifying things.
 
2012-06-27 05:24:00 PM

cc_rider: whidbey: If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.

It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.

My thoughts on this:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."


:/


Yeats would be a brazillionaire if he were alive today, collecting royalties for that phrase....
 
2012-06-27 05:24:27 PM

John Paul Jones: jigger: Wait, wouldn't young people be screwed by Obamacare? Lots of them don't have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. It's not even that expensive for them, even individual coverage is pretty cheap for them. The whole point of the mandate is to make them pay the insurance companies.

They can be on their parents plan until 26, or on an employer plan, or if they're unemployed or not making much money, the government covers them via the Medicare expansion.

The whole point of the mandate is to prevent assholes from exploiting the pre-existing condition clause. If we didn't have assholes, the mandate wouldn't be needed. But then again, a lot of things wouldn't be needed at that point.


why not tax everyone and give everyone insurance and keep costs in check by governmental fiat?

oh yeah, tax is a four letter word for progressives during presidential election season (which never ends now), so we now get government coercion instead of an attempt to fix the problem.

and you guys used to be the conscience of the democrat party.
 
2012-06-27 05:25:02 PM

John Paul Jones: jigger: Wait, wouldn't young people be screwed by Obamacare? Lots of them don't have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. It's not even that expensive for them, even individual coverage is pretty cheap for them. The whole point of the mandate is to make them pay the insurance companies.

They can be on their parents plan until 26, or on an employer plan, or if they're unemployed or not making much money, the government covers them via the Medicare expansion.

The whole point of the mandate is to prevent assholes from exploiting the pre-existing condition clause. If we didn't have assholes, the mandate wouldn't be needed. But then again, a lot of things wouldn't be needed at that point.


I guess I consider 26-40 young. If their employer doesn't have an insurance plan for them, they could get cheap individual coverage, but many don't simply because they don't want to pay for it. The mandate says, tough shiat, you have to pay. The insurance companies are gonna get theirs.

Well, I guess we might as well cry for the insurance companies and then support their profits using force.
 
2012-06-27 05:26:16 PM

Empty Matchbook: who had proven his every point false.


lulz

Are you seriously that dense? You Farklibs really do think highly of your own nonsense.
 
2012-06-27 05:26:42 PM
Aww poo :-( I guess I have to vote for Obama now.


The mandate wasn't against poor people at all. Just keep telling yourself that.

/buying a bucket for those delicious tears tomorrow
//a pool for November
 
2012-06-27 05:27:23 PM

relcec: John Paul Jones: jigger: Wait, wouldn't young people be screwed by Obamacare? Lots of them don't have insurance because they don't want to pay for it. It's not even that expensive for them, even individual coverage is pretty cheap for them. The whole point of the mandate is to make them pay the insurance companies.

They can be on their parents plan until 26, or on an employer plan, or if they're unemployed or not making much money, the government covers them via the Medicare expansion.

The whole point of the mandate is to prevent assholes from exploiting the pre-existing condition clause. If we didn't have assholes, the mandate wouldn't be needed. But then again, a lot of things wouldn't be needed at that point.

why not tax everyone and give everyone insurance and keep costs in check by governmental fiat?

oh yeah, tax is a four letter word for progressives during presidential election season (which never ends now), so we now get government coercion instead of an attempt to fix the problem.

and you guys used to be the conscience of the democrat party.


I believe you can thank Grover Norquist for turning tax into a four-letter-word actually.
 
2012-06-27 05:28:00 PM

Ned Stark: relcec: an MRI costs $98 in japan.

until the american people demand action our situation will continue to get worse.

the answer to the problem of cost isn't a government prohibition on catastrophic plans and a government mandate on the young and healthy to purchase overpriced insurance products from for profit corporations to pad their bottom lines that these people neither want, need, or that are a anything but a rip off from a for profit insurance industry that plays wingman as healthcare providers everywhere rape american citizens with no lube.

this reform bill looks more like a corporatist wet dream and payoff for campaign contributions than anything designed to address the real problems in healthcare.
they need to take the word affordable out of affordable care act.

Fark doesnt allow font big enough for the THIS this post deserves.


Actually, we need a "Wrong Side of History Tag" for both of you.
 
2012-06-27 05:28:01 PM

whidbey: MFL: whidbey
If this does get struck down, we really need to be re-thinking the entire Court and whether they are serving the people of this country.

If this bill gets struck down they are saving the country. The majority of the country doesn't want this anyway.

[CITATION NEEDED].

Either way, with or without them though, the Federal Government has the right to mandate insurance coverage. It's a public health crisis that 40 million people are uninsured in this country.


Not they do not. The government cannot force someone to enter a market just so they can regulate it. This is fundamentally wrong.

Actually, they can. What part of "public health CRISIS" are you pretending to forget you read?



It's just whether this administration has the balls to stand up to the bullies on the right who don't believe that health care is a right.

Bullies? Really? You guys were the ones that bullied this thing through congress with a completely partisan vote. But I guess it's only partisan when republicans do it.

Pretty sure the "no" votes were partisan bullshiat, MFL. The Dems passed a very historic piece of legislation that has been touted by the AMA and the WHO, among others.

Pretty much only the "government-intrustion" paranoid types are the ones speaking out against this.


Healthcare is a service not a right. This is the fundamental disconnect between those who cherish freedom and those who demand free stuff. Period.

Yes, because affordable health insurance is "free stuff." You have an odd way of classifying things.


Because when I think good policy, I think of the bloody AMA.
 
2012-06-27 05:28:35 PM

Polly Ester: The author of that article didn't actually read the legislation, his analysis was based solely on Obama stump speeches.


Hell, I'd like to know who the hell has actually read the whole thing and understands it fully. The Supreme Court justices certainly didn't. No single legislator did. Probably the only people who did were lawyers and lobbyists for insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
 
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